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on: April 05, 2021, 05:52:11 pm
I just had the brake caliper recall done a few days ago... anyone who had this done notice that the new anodized calipers don't say "BYBRE" on them? Or is that just me and I got bent over the proverbial barrel?
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Reply #1 on: April 05, 2021, 05:54:21 pm
When i got my bike from the dealer he said "this has had the brake recall done on it already"  I also noticed the calipers don't say BYBRE on them but didn't think much of it.
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Reply #2 on: April 05, 2021, 05:56:05 pm
Nope, the replacements don't have a logo on them.


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Reply #3 on: April 05, 2021, 06:14:46 pm
No logo on the replacements... correct.

Not my bike, but from a fellow owner... mine goes in this Wednesday.

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Reply #4 on: April 05, 2021, 06:17:58 pm
Nope, the replacements don't have a logo on them.

do we know if they're still "BYBRE" calipers?
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Reply #5 on: April 05, 2021, 06:23:17 pm
They are another cheap lookalike Brembo copy.
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Reply #6 on: April 05, 2021, 06:29:02 pm
True but will they give the same issues as the old ones.


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Reply #7 on: April 05, 2021, 06:45:46 pm
They seem to be anodized a little bit better.
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Reply #8 on: April 05, 2021, 06:50:25 pm
True but will they give the same issues as the old ones.

They still make me stop when I want them to. Which is good. We don't really use salt up here for the roads, so probably wouldn't have had too much a problem, unless I decided to drive on a beach somewhere. But figured it would be best to get the recall done so I can log it in case I sell it some day.
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Reply #9 on: April 05, 2021, 06:53:51 pm
Brembo created the ByeBre branding yo separate them from the first tier Brembo products in order to OEM brake parts at lower prices to companies lik RE.

From what I understand Brembo didn't like the black eye of the ByBre calipers sticking and the replacement calipers don't have a logo.

Perhaps that sounds the end of the ByeBre brand


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Reply #10 on: April 06, 2021, 02:58:45 pm
For what it's worth my 2018 Himalayan has unmarked calipers on it, they appear to be identical to the replacement Interceptor calipers, at least in outward appearance.


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Reply #11 on: April 06, 2021, 03:28:53 pm
Who cares if they have the logo to be honest?  Is anyone going to be like, "wow, are those ByBre's?"  No....no one cares. lol.
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Reply #12 on: April 06, 2021, 03:54:41 pm
I agree with you, Rick. I don't think anyone is impressed by the ByBre calipers on another person's bike. I do think that branding added value for buyers though. To lose that through a recall understandably creates a feeling of disappointment when a buyer placed value on that branding at purchase. What I really care about though is that my new calipers are reliable under all reasonable conditions up to modern standards. Hopefully these unbranded calipers achieve that.


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Reply #13 on: April 06, 2021, 04:00:35 pm
The only branding I would look for is BREMBO. Not BRYMO, BRYMBO, BRDEX, BYRDWO, BYBRE, BYEBYE... Or some other chinese crap.

Its like a truck with a FROD branding.
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Reply #14 on: April 06, 2021, 04:56:15 pm
Who cares if they have the logo to be honest?  Is anyone going to be like, "wow, are those ByBre's?"  No....no one cares. lol.

Wasn't a question of showing off some brand label (or, off-brand-yet-somehow-still-branded label, in this case). It's a matter of changing something and not letting us know. RE made a big deal about the "BREMBO BRAKES!" so it is what it is. But, when you go into a dealer to get a part swapped out and the part is different somehow, I question what I'm getting.
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Reply #15 on: April 06, 2021, 05:14:13 pm
The only branding I would look for is BREMBO. Not BRYMO, BRYMBO, BRDEX, BYRDWO, BYBRE, BYEBYE... Or some other chinese crap.

Its like a truck with a FROD branding.

What does FROD stand for?


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Reply #16 on: April 06, 2021, 05:15:58 pm
Henry Frod, that famous car maker. Remember the Model T Frod.
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Reply #17 on: April 06, 2021, 05:17:04 pm
Wasn't a question of showing off some brand label (or, off-brand-yet-somehow-still-branded label, in this case). It's a matter of changing something and not letting us know. RE made a big deal about the "BREMBO BRAKES!" so it is what it is. But, when you go into a dealer to get a part swapped out and the part is different somehow, I question what I'm getting.

Correct, RE sold that branding on the brakes as value for money. To remove that, while possibly changing nothing of the quality (really upgrading the quality), nonetheless changes perception of value by removing a brand logo RE aggressively sold for its value. Again, if it works, I'm happy. But I am also sympathetic to those who are a bit miffed.


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Reply #18 on: April 06, 2021, 05:20:10 pm
Maybe it is as simple as being able to know which ones have been replaced.
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Reply #19 on: April 06, 2021, 05:39:38 pm
Henry Frod, that famous car maker. Remember the Model T Frod.

I get it, it's like jhevy, but different. :o


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Reply #20 on: April 06, 2021, 05:48:45 pm
I will have Brembo calipers on mine...



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Reply #21 on: April 06, 2021, 05:55:22 pm
I'm sure they are still made by ByBre, they just don't have the logo on there.

Clearly they were in a hurry to correct this issue before more people got injured or killed and probably left the logo off to expedite the manufacturing process is my guess.
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Reply #22 on: April 06, 2021, 06:11:00 pm
I'm sure they are still made by ByBre, they just don't have the logo on there.

Clearly they were in a hurry to correct this issue before more people got injured or killed and probably left the logo off to expedite the manufacturing process is my guess.

The ByBre logo is in the casting mold of the caliper so it's omission is intentional.


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Reply #23 on: April 06, 2021, 06:19:23 pm
I was a bit disappointed that they didn't also put in new brake pads, not that I expected it. I'm also not convinced that they bled the brakes, but no big deal as I did it last winter (Oh, wait, it's still winter here - 5" of new snow today!)


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Reply #24 on: April 06, 2021, 06:25:07 pm
I was a bit disappointed that they didn't also put in new brake pads, not that I expected it. I'm also not convinced that they bled the brakes, but no big deal as I did it last winter (Oh, wait, it's still winter here - 5" of new snow today!)

I was disappointed as well. The tech said I have plenty  of pad left, so no need to replace them... eh, oh well. I really like my dealer, they treat me very well, so maybe I was hoping they'd upgrade my pads. Nope.

I've never had issues with my brakes, and even after the R&R they act no different than the old ones. So, I'm sure they did all they said they did, which includes bleeding them.
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Reply #25 on: April 06, 2021, 06:25:37 pm
I will have Brembo calipers on mine...



 ;D ;D ;D :D  ;)

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Reply #26 on: April 06, 2021, 06:49:20 pm
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Reply #27 on: April 06, 2021, 06:58:43 pm
Yea but how do you know they are made by brembo.


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Reply #28 on: April 06, 2021, 07:09:45 pm
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Reply #29 on: April 06, 2021, 07:49:38 pm
Brembo Stickers on a noname chinese Caliper is just embarassing.
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Reply #30 on: April 06, 2021, 07:54:50 pm
Brembo Stickers on a noname chinese Caliper is just embarassing.

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Reply #31 on: April 06, 2021, 08:19:09 pm
Whats next? A Harley sticker on a Classic 500? A second dummy cylinder made of plastic?
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Reply #32 on: April 06, 2021, 08:22:49 pm
Regardless of the manufacturer of the replacement calipers that meet or exceed the original design requirements the fact is that RE has recognized a (potential) failure and it resolving the problem at NO CHARGE  to the owner.


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Reply #33 on: April 06, 2021, 08:29:27 pm
I don't mean to be rude, but if anyone thought a single two-pot, two-pad slider caliper was some kind of performance equipment just because it was supposedly designed by Brembo....well I'm not sure what to say about that.  It is multiple generations behind what counts as performance equipment nowadays - just like everything else on these lovely bikes.  It's not really the point, is it?


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Reply #34 on: April 06, 2021, 08:53:32 pm
I don't mean to be rude, but if anyone thought a single two-pot, two-pad slider caliper was some kind of performance equipment just because it was supposedly designed by Brembo....well I'm not sure what to say about that.  It is multiple generations behind what counts as performance equipment nowadays - just like everything else on these lovely bikes.  It's not really the point, is it?

 I don't think anyone on here actually thinks the stock calipers, regardless of how they're marked, are performance parts. So, you're not being rude  ;D
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Reply #35 on: April 06, 2021, 09:06:59 pm
Whats next? A Harley sticker on a Classic 500? A second dummy cylinder made of plastic?

They make those?  Must have!

Oh wait... I already have two cylinders...  8)
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Reply #36 on: April 06, 2021, 09:35:44 pm
Whats next? A Harley sticker on a Classic 500? A second dummy cylinder made of plastic?

I think Yamaha already tried a faux V-twin.  :o


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Reply #37 on: April 06, 2021, 09:40:41 pm
I'm sure they are still made by ByBre, they just don't have the logo on there.

Clearly they were in a hurry to correct this issue before more people got injured or killed and probably left the logo off to expedite the manufacturing process is my guess.
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Reply #38 on: April 06, 2021, 09:58:13 pm
Was anyone injured or killed?

No idea; i don't know the details of the recall other than what my dealer told me.  I certainly hope not.
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Reply #39 on: April 06, 2021, 10:08:47 pm
Was anyone injured or killed?

From what little info I can find no one has been injured, let alone killed. Essentially the rear brakes on a few bikes, I've heard as few as four, in England locked up from corrosion. RE issued an inspection notice and found that quite a few had caliper piston corrosion issues and acted out of an abundance of caution to replace them. ALL of my info came from online sources so take it for what it's worth.  ;)


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Reply #40 on: April 06, 2021, 10:11:26 pm
Brembo Stickers on a noname chinese Caliper is just embarassing.

Just say'n for clarity:
"BYBRE has been made as a new global brand of components dedicated to two wheelers under 600cc for India. The products would be engineered in Italy, before being mass produced at company’s manufacturing facility of Brembo Brakes India Ltd. at Chakan in Pune. The good part is that the first product from this brand would be made exclusively for use by Bajaj Auto Ltd. Bajaj would use Bybre on majorly bikes from KTM and a few high performance products from their own stables."
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Reply #41 on: April 06, 2021, 10:16:56 pm
Brembo Stickers on a noname chinese Caliper is just embarassing.

ByBre - an abbreviation of “By Brembo”   

What is the issue with placing a Brembo decal on a Brembo caliper?  ???  ::)

https://www.brembo.com/en/company/about/the-group-brands
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Reply #42 on: April 06, 2021, 10:51:36 pm
I grew up with drum brakes, and never had an issue, but then I never was a "performance" rider, or even heard of track days.
I'd certainly be concerned if my brakes didn't work for any reason, but as a recreational rider, I really don't care what brand it is as long as they don't malfunction. Brembo or ByBrembo, OK by me, but I appreciate that RE was proactive on this. Just sayin'.


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Reply #43 on: April 06, 2021, 11:08:52 pm
ByBre - an abbreviation of “By Brembo”   

What is the issue with placing a Brembo decal on a Brembo caliper?  ???  ::)

https://www.brembo.com/en/company/about/the-group-brands

None that I can see, although having seen some of your work I'm a little surprised you're not going to polish them to a mirror finish.  ;) ;) ;)


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Reply #44 on: April 06, 2021, 11:53:24 pm
Having gotten the letter offering the recall, I have declined.  I do not have salted roads where I live and I don't ride in inclement weather, anyway.  My brakes stop very well and I'm leaving well enough alone.  I'm 70 miles from the dealer and don't want to be bothered as I see no payoff in my circumstances.  Maybe I just like the ByBre logo on the calipers. 

I'll save the recall letter just in case.  Recalls for safety purposes do not have an expiration date in the USA.

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Reply #45 on: April 07, 2021, 12:00:31 am
Having gotten the letter offering the recall, I have declined.  I do not have salted roads where I live and I don't ride in inclement weather, anyway.  My brakes stop very well and I'm leaving well enough alone.  I'm 70 miles from the dealer and don't want to be bothered as I see no payoff in my circumstances.  Maybe I just like the ByBre logo on the calipers. 

I'll save the recall letter just in case.  Recalls for safety purposes do not have an expiration date in the USA.

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Having that letter in your back pocket won't do you any good if/when the caliper locks up.

You might reconsider and not look a free safety recall in the mouth.


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Reply #46 on: April 07, 2021, 12:55:27 am
None that I can see, although having seen some of your work I'm a little surprised you're not going to polish them to a mirror finish.  ;) ;) ;)

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Reply #47 on: April 07, 2021, 02:26:34 am
An article from May, 2020 advised that Brembo had issues with their own brake pads failing:

“Triumph and Ducati recalled their bikes using Brembo brakes in the international market. The brake pads on the recalled units are said to be susceptible to corrosion and in some cases, it could even lead to the pad separating from the back plate.”

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Reply #48 on: April 07, 2021, 03:56:22 am
The lack of a Bybre logo definitely separates out the new ones from the recalled parts. I was glad to get mine done even though I had to haul the bike on a 200 mile round trip on a trailer as it was below freezing around here.

It will be interesting to see if the Bybre logo is still present on future/new bikes sold in the recall area markets.
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Reply #49 on: April 07, 2021, 07:07:09 am
Brembo Stickers on a noname chinese Caliper is just embarassing.

So is shooting your mouth off before you know what you're talking about  ::)

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Reply #50 on: April 07, 2021, 07:08:05 am
Whats next? A Harley sticker on a Classic 500? A second dummy cylinder made of plastic?

These losers have already done that
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/this-harley-davidson-fat-boy-is-actually-a-royal-enfield-from-india-142120.html



My 535 CGT caliper ftw  ;D same thing, different logo. Prolly made on the same line as the bybre and the Chinese no name
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Reply #51 on: April 07, 2021, 05:49:38 pm
Looks like a chinese copy shop tried to copy the brembo logo. Look at the last o. That does not seem to be original. The diameter of the inner hole does not fit. No chinese copy is so cheap that it cannot be copied cheaper.

Fake vehicle parts are a great problem today.

https://www.brembo.com/en/company/news/brembo-brakes-guide-to-recognizing-fakes
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Reply #53 on: April 07, 2021, 08:58:47 pm
Looks like a chinese copy shop tried to copy the brembo logo. Look at the last o. That does not seem to be original. The diameter of the inner hole does not fit. No chinese copy is so cheap that it cannot be copied cheaper.

Fake vehicle parts are a great problem today.

https://www.brembo.com/en/company/news/brembo-brakes-guide-to-recognizing-fakes

That's an interesting read, thanks for the link. I wish they'd gone into more detail concerning how to spot the fakes, but then I'm sure the bad guys would use it as tutorial to improve their fakes.


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Reply #54 on: April 08, 2021, 03:21:18 am
Yikes!! :o

Lots of fake "Brembo" callipers and MC here in Thailand.  Price is usually the give away as it is not possible to buy a 300.00 USD MC for 40.00 - Even so one sees lots on bikes of all sorts
In a land where face and status is everything the fakes are a good earner for the cloners

Brembo have a code with their components, that one uses to go online and check that the part is genuine or a copy.

We even have fake women here in Thailand
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Reply #55 on: April 08, 2021, 04:17:48 am
Having that letter in your back pocket won't do you any good if/when the caliper locks up.

You might reconsider and not look a free safety recall in the mouth.
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For some riders in many locations your advice would be unquestionably sound.  Pulling the calipers every so often to retract the pads and inspect back and forth pad functioning is not a big deal.  And, as noted I don't ride in rain. 

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Reply #56 on: April 08, 2021, 03:17:52 pm
We even have fake women here in Thailand

If this is a transphobic statement, can I just say I am not cool with that? Not really necessary in a discussion about brake calipers.  If it is a comment about child abuse...maybe also not appropriate?  Not trying to start anything here.  I said my bit - take it or leave it.


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Reply #57 on: April 08, 2021, 03:35:58 pm
i think he speaks of fake women, not transgender women. Or do you suggest they are the same?
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Reply #58 on: April 08, 2021, 04:07:37 pm
Good on YellowDuck for speaking up. And yes, if we're talking about life sized plastic or silicone injection mold female figures, non issue.


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Reply #59 on: April 08, 2021, 10:32:53 pm
Did some hard strop practice on my bike today with the new calipers.  Have every confidence in them; they are rocks solid and haul the bike right down to zero very quickly.

This bike really doesn't need more brake unless you give it a LOT more engine.  I think upgraded pads would be plenty for 99% of us.
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Reply #60 on: April 08, 2021, 11:36:13 pm
Good on YellowDuck for speaking up. And yes, if we're talking about life sized plastic or silicone injection mold female figures, non issue.

Don't get too worked up about it. Readers from outside the US will know that it's not unusual in Asian and pacific Island societies to have more than the "usual" 2 genders (up to 5) long before it became fashionable in the west. Thai ladyboys are part of mainstream culture and its not offensive to talk about them. So still, non issue. Unless you're looking for reasons to be offended.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey


https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/e647c92e-6fd6-4a9e-86af-b54d78dad6c3?espv=1

Fake brakes, though.... That's offensive.
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Reply #61 on: April 09, 2021, 03:28:01 am
Don't get too worked up about it. Readers from outside the US will know that it's not unusual in Asian and pacific Island societies to have more than the "usual" 2 genders (up to 5) long before it became fashionable in the west. Thai ladyboys are part of mainstream culture and its not offensive to talk about them. So still, non issue. Unless you're looking for reasons to be offended.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey


https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/e647c92e-6fd6-4a9e-86af-b54d78dad6c3?espv=1

Fake brakes, though.... That's offensive.

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