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on: April 05, 2021, 03:41:14 am
I like to keep abreast of what's happening in Canada and the USA where vintage vehicle laws are concerned, and I've found the easiest way to do this is through the SAN legislative updates.

Wyoming is a large geographical area with a very very small population, and as not just a rural state but a genuine cowboy Western state I'd have expected its people and legislature to be comprised of right leaning mindsets that don't fall for this kind of leftist nonsense:

H.B. 19 would suddenly raise the age of vehicles eligible to be registered as antique vehicles from at least 25 years old to at least 50 years old.

https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/wyoming/update-wyoming-bill-significantly-restrict-antique-vehicles-approved

What the what is going on in Wyoming? Too many billionaire ideologues from California and New York have become land barons there, like as is happening in Montana and Colorado?   >:(
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Reply #1 on: April 05, 2021, 03:59:49 am
Revised link?: https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/wyoming/update-wyoming-bill-significantly-restrict-antique-vehicles-approved

But yeah, that is an odd turn of the screw for Wyoming. It's not law yet--still before their Senate. Still... Then again, wasn't Wyoming once "progressive" enough to be the very first state to give women the vote? On the other hand, I think they needed all hands on deck just to scrape together enough voters to qualify as a state.
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Reply #2 on: April 05, 2021, 05:18:02 am
We need more info on this, of course you know that Liz Cheney spent most of her life in DC or Virginia....not sure what other politicians residency is really. Perhaps the Jackson Hole crowd is now from LA and is running the state.


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Reply #3 on: April 05, 2021, 05:50:44 am
That sounds more right wing pro-business legislation to encourage more sales to me.   Not that I really care two hoots about US politics it seems by world standards to be two almost identical political parties both claiming the other side are extremist nuts.


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Reply #4 on: April 05, 2021, 06:01:00 am
That sounds more right wing pro-business legislation to encourage more sales to me.

This could be partially or entirely true.  Corruption and greed and lobby bribes are by no means afflictions of only the Democrats.


   Not that I really care two hoots about US politics it seems by world standards to be two almost identical political parties both claiming the other side are extremist nuts.

In terms of political parties this is largely, though not entirely, true.  I'll say again, corruption and greed and lobby bribes are by no means afflictions of only the Democrats.

However, in terms of the two ideological movements that influence the Democrat and Republican parties, those respectively being the progressives (aka liberals aka socialists aka leftists) and the conservatives, the differences are so stark as to be night and day.

So while both Democrat and Republican politicians in a Wyoming legislature could be bribed by special interest lobbies into passing laws that herd consumers toward specific products, it would specifically fall to the progressive ideologues that restricting "old polluting cars and motos" on the roads is somehow going to save Mother Gaia.


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Reply #5 on: April 05, 2021, 09:38:39 am
Expect more, much more.
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Reply #6 on: April 05, 2021, 09:53:38 am
Update!

Someone over on expeditionportal.com, where I also asked my question, posted up this article to clarify what's happening with this proposed law.

https://oilcity.news/wyoming/legislature/2021/03/01/wyoming-moves-to-raise-antique-vehicle-fees-eliminate-insurance-loophole/

Quoting from the article:

"...law enforcement communicated to legislators that they “were running into issues where they were picking these people up using these cars as every day drivers.”

Rep. Landon Brown of Laramie County explained that liability insurance hasn’t been required since antique vehicles are often “covered for much higher than what the title shows” and that the antique vehicle statues were framed with the idea that the vehicles would be used during special events rather than as an ordinary means of transportation on daily roads.

So it seems legislators might simply be reacting as a way to ostensibly close an insurance loophole but in reality see a way to increase DMV revenue.

Also of note is that Wyoming is likewise considering a “miles driven use tax” to be imposed on all drivers there, even non-residents who are just briefly driving through the state.

Death and taxes.
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Reply #7 on: April 05, 2021, 02:28:35 pm
I know several people that have moved from the San Francisco Bay Area to Wyoming. So that might be tilting the state to the left.  ;)  I, along with the state of California regulators, would really be interested to hear how Wyoming might try taxing visitors traveling through the state with a mileage tax.  ???   Sounds like something that we would like to try, too.  ::)

After all, the People's Republic of Kalifornia's politicians, legislators and regulators never saw a tax they didn't like.   :o
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Reply #8 on: April 06, 2021, 02:56:52 am
  I, along with the state of California regulators, would really be interested to hear how Wyoming might try taxing visitors traveling through the state with a mileage tax. 

In Australia "mileage taxes" are basically the domain of private corporations who through various bribes and political lobbying are given the right to build motorways where vehicles are required to have "E tags" that monitor how many km you do and then bill your credit card. it is possible to use these motorways without the requisite E-tag but the cost per km is much higher, among other things they are generally late sending a bill meaning you have very little time to pay before you get a penalty that is higher than the original travel.

Whilst it is technically feasible to avoid these pay-per-mile motorways the various state and local governments generally remove all road signs that point to alternate routes and only put up road signs that point to the paid motorway.  In some cases the alternate routes are even closed and replaced with development of some type or restricted (probably to circumvent people using a GPS/Satnav to avoid the paid tollways).

Basically over here, the rights to the "pay for mile" system, a little bit like a licence for a Casino, is a bonus granted to buddies of whichever party is in power and it is something where both the left and the right are equally guilty.

I presume if the US wanted to do something similar but make it government rather than privately run you would need either some sort of compulsory "E tag" system and a state wide set of electronic tag detectors or a tamper proof mileage logging device, a little like an electricity meter, on the vehicles.
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Reply #9 on: April 06, 2021, 06:40:35 am
" how Wyoming might try taxing visitors traveling through the state with a mileage tax "
Ummm....cell phone data? Time, location & owner data all conveniently in one we-can't-live-without-it package? The same device that will hold your vaccine passport soon.... ;D ;D ;D  Welcome to the future, mates!
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Reply #10 on: April 06, 2021, 11:44:50 am
In Australia "mileage taxes" are basically the domain of private corporations who through various bribes and political lobbying are given the right to build motorways where vehicles are required to have "E tags" that monitor how many km you do and then bill your credit card. it is possible to use these motorways without the requisite E-tag but the cost per km is much higher, among other things they are generally late sending a bill meaning you have very little time to pay before you get a penalty that is higher than the original travel.

Whilst it is technically feasible to avoid these pay-per-mile motorways the various state and local governments generally remove all road signs that point to alternate routes and only put up road signs that point to the paid motorway.  In some cases the alternate routes are even closed and replaced with development of some type or restricted (probably to circumvent people using a GPS/Satnav to avoid the paid tollways).

Basically over here, the rights to the "pay for mile" system, a little bit like a licence for a Casino, is a bonus granted to buddies of whichever party is in power and it is something where both the left and the right are equally guilty.

I presume if the US wanted to do something similar but make it government rather than privately run you would need either some sort of compulsory "E tag" system and a state wide set of electronic tag detectors or a tamper proof mileage logging device, a little like an electricity meter, on the vehicles.


Thank you for such a detailed post.  Before the hoaxid plandemic shut down the world I was working on gaining dual citizenship with Down Under, had gone so far as to contact immigration attorneys and vintage vehicle shipping companies and a CPA.  As an Yankee I felt so at home in Oz, very comfortable with how similar the cultures, economies, and government ideologies are between 'Murica and 'Straya.

And the kind of political corruption you outlined, well, that nonsense, too.  Sigh, all that land wide open for motorcycling Down Under and of course some greedy penisheads in corporations and government have a lovely scheme for keeping the citizens out of it while charging them money for the shafting.   ::)

I've long been keeping tabs on the Chinese Communist Party cultural and economic subversion situation Aussie patriots are having to fight against, but the native Aussie govt corruption you detailed is the first I've ever heard of this scheme.


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Reply #11 on: April 06, 2021, 02:43:12 pm
In California, many free HOV freeway lanes are being converted to High Occupancy pay-as-you-go toll lanes. In order to use them you need a Flex Tag with a 3-position switch on it. How many people you have in your car determines how much you pay per mile while in this lane. If you are riding a motorcycle or in a car with 3 or more passengers, you will not be charged - provided you have a Flex Tag device on you and have the switch in position 3, otherwise you will be charged $$$ per mile, the cost of which can change by the minute depending upon the amount of traffic congestion in the other adjacent Freeway "free" lanes. Drivers and riders who do not have a Flex Tag, such as visitors from outside the area, will receive a bill in the mail sent to the address where their vehicle is registration based upon automated license plate camera readers installed all along the HOV lane. If they don't pay the bill their yearly vehicle registration will not be approved by the DMV.

As I see it this system is nothing but a money-grabbing scheme. The money collected is split between the private company that runs the fee collection system and the state's government Metropolitan Transportation Commission, that decides on where to build more toll lanes with taxpayer transportation funds and how to spend anything left over that is not being used to pay for their salaries.

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Reply #12 on: April 07, 2021, 07:08:22 pm

Thank you for such a detailed post.  Before the hoaxid plandemic shut down the world I was working on gaining dual citizenship with Down Under, had gone so far as to contact immigration attorneys and vintage vehicle shipping companies and a CPA.  As an Yankee I felt so at home in Oz, very comfortable with how similar the cultures, economies, and government ideologies are between 'Murica and 'Straya.
The US and Oz have two different cultures and government. If you are comparing Sydney with LA, your world view is somewhat myopic but understandable.LA is left leaning politicly, as is Sydney. LA and Sydney has high taxes and high real estate prices. Both cities seem to embrace a socialist self entitlement.  Both cities have non-stop direct flights each way so some blending is occurring.    The truth is that just as LA is only a small part of the US and doesn't represent  a large portion of the population neither does Sydney represent all of Australia.  By the way, if I was able to be a dual citizen with OZ, Canada, NZ or Europe, without giving up US citizenship, I would do it.
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Reply #13 on: April 08, 2021, 03:25:20 am
  By the way, if I was able to be a dual citizen with OZ, Canada, NZ or Europe, without giving up US citizenship, I would do it.

  I am US/Canadian. I have a passport for each.
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Reply #14 on: April 08, 2021, 10:29:32 am
The US and Oz have two different cultures and government. If you are comparing Sydney with LA, your world view is somewhat myopic but understandable.LA is left leaning politicly, as is Sydney. LA and Sydney has high taxes and high real estate prices. Both cities seem to embrace a socialist self entitlement.  Both cities have non-stop direct flights each way so some blending is occurring.    The truth is that just as LA is only a small part of the US and doesn't represent  a large portion of the population neither does Sydney represent all of Australia.  By the way, if I was able to be a dual citizen with OZ, Canada, NZ or Europe, without giving up US citizenship, I would do it.


I was speaking in the broadest of terms, of course, but more specifically was referring to certain religious/political ideologies.  A conservative Christian in the US and a conservative Christian in Oz are wonderfully similar, and just as there are a good many of us operating underrepresented in Los Angeles so I found many doing the same in Sydney.

I'm an unapologetic supporter of President 45, and if I had my Aussie citizenship already I'd be just as much a supporter of Prime Minister Morrison.

On the more secular side of things, I found the vintage auto and moto cultures of Oz (and UnZud, too, actually) to be almost completely parallel with those here in the USA.  Whether it's blokes that like the 1970s chopper thing or the 1980s superbike thing or the 1940s hot rod thing or the wacky world of small displacement and minibike racing or the restomod vintage 4x4 thing all of it is represented in kind between Up Here and Down There.  A similar middle class economic structure shared between the two nations is what I think makes this a continually viable market to plant one's hobby flag in.

Paradoxical to what most people would think, living in Downtown Los Angeles gives me easy access to both paved twisty sportbike roads and dusty mountain dirtbike trails in 30 minutes or less, and with legal lane filtering in California state and the SoCal region's 10-12 months per year of moto friendly weather LA is an urban motorcyclist's paradise.  Wacky leftists and astronomical costs of living aside, obviously.

I found Sydney City Centre to be quite similar to Downtown LA (except for the fact there aren't astonishing homeless encampments all over the place, sigh), and the part of New South Wales in which Syd is located has 10-12 months per year of moto friendly weather, plus legal lane filtering.  Getting to some run paved rural roads takes only 30 minutes or less, although currently almost all the dual sport trails have been closed off by the govt.  Basically, by having dual citizenship between Murica and Straya and residence in LA and Syd I'd essentially be able to live in year 'round summertime, riding and racing motorbikes almost every day I want.

There's definitely no shortage of outrageously high taxation in both countries, so I've got that to look forward to as well.   >:(
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Reply #15 on: April 08, 2021, 05:41:38 pm

After our idiot RHINO governor went in a panic over the Chinese Flu and shut
down our economy and ruined state revenues the morons who were elected
to represent the people have turned in to representatives of the trough feeders.
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Reply #16 on: April 08, 2021, 05:50:50 pm


Bill failed on 3rd reading in the state senate, March 30th.


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Reply #17 on: April 08, 2021, 07:14:20 pm


Bill failed on 3rd reading in the state senate, March 30th.


Thanks for the update!


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Reply #18 on: April 08, 2021, 07:16:58 pm

 "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."


Slippery slope, that.  Not saying I haven't often felt the same, however...


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Reply #19 on: April 09, 2021, 09:36:45 am
Now there's some real Christian sentiment for you, "Kill'em all and let God sort 'em out". I probably wouldn't have written the translated version either, just depended on the cult vernacular to carry the intent. Precisely who is in this "kill'em all" list?

"I was speaking in the broadest of terms, of course, but more specifically was referring to certain religious/political ideologies.  A conservative Christian in the US and a conservative Christian in Oz are wonderfully similar, and just as there are a good many of us operating underrepresented in Los Angeles so I found many doing the same in Sydney.
I'm an unapologetic supporter of President 45, and if I had my Aussie citizenship already I'd be just as much a supporter of Prime Minister Morrison."


Last I checked, Ex-President 45 was under indictment for multiple crimes in office, still blathering on about stolen elections despite massive evidence to the contrary, had provided much cover for Putin/GRU & had defrauded his donors of about $60M. Not to mention getting about 500K extra folks planted this year. That's the guy I'd support, yeah boy. Is this Aussie citizenship thing something I can help with? I'd hate to think conservative christians were needing support and we had one willing to up stakes & leave. As far as "there are a good many of us operating underrepresented in Los Angeles", that doesn't sound like a good thing after the "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." quote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caedite_eos._Novit_enim_Dominus_qui_sunt_eius.
"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." is a phrase reportedly spoken by the commander of the Albigensian Crusade, prior to the massacre at Béziers on 22 July 1209.[1] A direct translation of the Latin phrase is "Kill them. For the Lord knows those that are His own." Papal legate and Cistercian abbot Arnaud Amalric was the military commander of the Crusade in its initial phase and leader of this first major military action of the Crusade, the assault on Béziers, and was reported to have uttered the order by Caesarius of Heisterbach.
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Reply #20 on: April 09, 2021, 12:16:38 pm
In California, many free HOV freeway lanes are being converted to High Occupancy pay-as-you-go toll lanes. In order to use them you need a Flex Tag with a 3-position switch on it. How many people you have in your car determines how much you pay per mile while in this lane. If you are riding a motorcycle or in a car with 3 or more passengers, you will not be charged - provided you have a Flex Tag device on you and have the switch in position 3, otherwise you will be charged $$$ per mile, the cost of which can change by the minute depending upon the amount of traffic congestion in the other adjacent Freeway "free" lanes. Drivers and riders who do not have a Flex Tag, such as visitors from outside the area, will receive a bill in the mail sent to the address where their vehicle is registration based upon automated license plate camera readers installed all along the HOV lane. If they don't pay the bill their yearly vehicle registration will not be approved by the DMV.

As I see it this system is nothing but a money-grabbing scheme. The money collected is split between the private company that runs the fee collection system and the state's government Metropolitan Transportation Commission, that decides on where to build more toll lanes with taxpayer transportation funds and how to spend anything left over that is not being used to pay for their salaries.

I don't have to worry about being tracked via my cell phone as I keep it completely wrapped in aluminum foil and placed under my foil hat.  Safety first!   ;)

My son and I got a bill in the mail from using your HOV freeway lane out side San Francisco some four years ago. I think it was around $50 to $60. I never paid it and will never pay it. I also have never been back to your state and have no plans on ever coming back.
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Reply #21 on: April 09, 2021, 02:26:06 pm
" how Wyoming might try taxing visitors traveling through the state with a mileage tax "
Ummm....cell phone data? Time, location & owner data all conveniently in one we-can't-live-without-it package? The same device that will hold your vaccine passport soon.... ;D ;D ;D  Welcome to the future, mates!

Another good reason for me to not own a cell phone. 8)


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Reply #22 on: April 09, 2021, 02:53:25 pm
My son and I got a bill in the mail from using your HOV freeway lane out side San Francisco some four years ago. I think it was around $50 to $60. I never paid it and will never pay it. I also have never been back to your state and have no plans on ever coming back.

Smart move.   ;D
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Reply #23 on: April 09, 2021, 05:11:10 pm
Some years back I got a similar bill from Denver, Colorado claiming that I and my painfully stock 1983 Suzuki Samurai were photographed on a weekday doing 90 on a speed-trapped Photo-Enforcement portion of their in-town freeway. I pointed out that I'd have to have left Bullhead City, Arizona after work, driven 1000 miles to Denver averaging maybe 90 MPH to get there, gotten the old girl up to terminal velocity thru their speed trap, then drove home at the same breakneck pace so as to make it to work the next day. They eventually agreed that the people that check the photos must have made a mistake. Either that or I owned the fastest Samurai on the West and had too much time on my hands.
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