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on: April 03, 2021, 11:00:31 pm
Today was the first warm Saturday of spring so there were REALLY alot of bikes out on the good roads.  I spent a half hour at one of the popular stops sipping java and indulging in a chocolate covered Payday bar.

Twenty four bikes stopped for a while.  Another twenty or so cruised past.  The split was twenty seven Harleys and the rest were dual sports, and sport bikes of all makes and sizes.

Every Harley was quite loud.  A few were ear-splitting and half of them had really loud stereos blasting mostly heavy metal.

The other bikes were very quiet, even the young guys on sport bikes.

Of the auto drivers who were parked there it seemed that most all grimaced and shook their heads at the racket from the big HDs.
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Reply #1 on: April 03, 2021, 11:09:34 pm
Isn't that the point of riding an HD?  :D


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Reply #2 on: April 03, 2021, 11:14:00 pm
Not surprised at the information you provided.  In my experience, loud Harleys are ridden by semi-adults (regardless of age) who suffer from a combination of immaturity and penile insufficiency.  I hate loud bikes (You'd never guess!).  I have the TEC Stinger on my Enfield 650 but the decibel killer will never be removed or modified.  Loss of 27# was my only reason for the exhaust system upgrade.

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Reply #3 on: April 04, 2021, 12:07:29 am
Well it's much the same in the UK the HDs are always the loudest.


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Reply #4 on: April 04, 2021, 12:49:31 am
There's the charm of a P Twin. They sound sweet, but don't have to be obnoxiously loud to do it. Singles, too. I tried my 535 with the dB killer out. It sounded the same but louder and no performance difference so back in it went.
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Reply #5 on: April 04, 2021, 02:32:09 am
Is the bigger crime paying $20k to become a cliche? My first ride ever on a bike was on the back of a sporty when I was 8 and I see the appeal of loud for blowing off steam, but I wouldn't want to listen to that (metal and white man's blues are equally cliche to my ears) where I ride. Fortunately I can mostly get off the highways and hit the roads less travelled. My bike is one of the few places I can get quiet. No kids. No advertisements, no spastic YouTubers.... It's almost zen.
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Reply #6 on: April 04, 2021, 09:28:58 am
On the other hand re Harleys, here in the UK the riders do give us something to laugh at. A good proportion seem to enjoy dressing up as bad boy outlaws, yet we all know come Monday they'll be back cutting hair and talking aimlessly about holiday destinations to the haircutees.
Bandana sales are up, leather vests have never been more popular, and shirts with extra cloth on the gut section have become so popular of late.
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Reply #7 on: April 04, 2021, 09:32:00 am
I like loud, but not Harley loud.  Loud but not obnoxious.  And I abhor skull motifs on things, won't even ride with dudes wih that.
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Reply #8 on: April 04, 2021, 09:44:51 am
And further, a true story re the loud pipes. An old school friend has always been into Harleys, but thankfully does not dress like someone out of a biker gang B movie. A couple of days ago wotsername and I were enjoying a cup of tea, in the lovely sunshine, enjoying the quiet of the countryside (where we live).
We heard a noise, herself thought it might be an approaching helicopter, I thought it was either a completely clapped out VW campervan coming down the lane, or a motorcycle in great distress.
It was said matey bloke on his new Harley, a Dyna Butt Plug Intruder Nightrider Super 10 speed Vibe something or other with aftermarket pipes on it.
How do you break it to such people that this sort of thing isn't cool, it's laughable?
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Reply #9 on: April 04, 2021, 11:54:25 am
Ho don't be cruel to those plastic bikers, let's face it we all need a trim now and again, let them live the dream.


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Reply #10 on: April 04, 2021, 02:29:12 pm
I'll just leave this here: https://youtu.be/xGyKBFCd_u4

But in my neighborhood, living on a hill on a fairly well-traveled secondary suburban street, the main culprits rousing me from my slumbers aren't normally bikes at all, but rather a parade of Vin Diesel wannabes in their backfiring unmuffled low-slung Nipponese shit boxes.
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Reply #11 on: April 04, 2021, 02:41:17 pm
I don't know why, but they don't wave or nod when they pass me.....   ;)

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Reply #12 on: April 04, 2021, 02:53:00 pm
I'll just leave this here: https://youtu.be/xGyKBFCd_u4

But in my neighborhood, living on a hill on a fairly well-traveled secondary suburban street, the main culprits rousing me from my slumbers aren't normally bikes at all, but rather a parade of Vin Diesel wannabes in their backfiring unmuffled low-slung Nipponese shit boxes.
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Reply #13 on: April 04, 2021, 03:46:59 pm
I don't know why, but they don't wave or nod when they pass me.....   ;)
Harley riders are different to other bikers - they live in a special world of their own. On another planet even. Or several different planets as there are different sorts of Harley riders too. The hardcore guys, and the newbies and weekend posers - the bankers, lawyers, and accountants - the ones wrapped up in daygo waterproofs who don't 'get it' but still think they look 'rebellious' 'cos they are on a Harley.  ::)

When I started riding back in the day most of us bikers used to give each other a nod in greeting as we passed in opposite directions on the road. I still do. But these days I am finding myself in the minority. There are certain types who won't return this courtesy - for a variety of reasons: Moped/scooter riders (too busy delivering pizzas/drugs or looking for bike/phones to rob), Riders on 'L' plates (too young or ignorant to know better), commuters who aren't interested in bikes and just want cheap transport, and of course Harley riders. 9 times out of 10 a Harley rider won't return a nod of companionship or solidarity - unless of course it's to another HD rider. They are a breed apart.  :P

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Reply #14 on: April 04, 2021, 03:55:33 pm
Harley riders are different to other bikers - they live in a special world of their own. On another planet even. Or several different planets as there are different sorts of Harley riders too. The hardcore guys, and the newbies and weekend posers - the bankers, lawyers, and accountants - the ones wrapped up in daygo waterproofs who don't 'get it' but still think they look 'rebellious' 'cos they are on a Harley.  ::)

When I started riding back in the day most of us bikers used to give each other a nod in greeting as we passed in opposite directions on the road. I still do. But these days I am finding myself in the minority. There are certain types who won't return this courtesy - for a variety of reasons: Moped/scooter riders (too busy delivering pizzas/drugs or looking for bike/phones to rob), Riders on 'L' plates (too young or ignorant to know better), commuters who aren't interested in bikes and just want cheap transport, and of course Harley riders. 9 times out of 10 a Harley rider won't return a nod of companionship or solidarity - unless of course it's to another HD rider. They are a breed apart.  :P

*puts on flak jacket and prepares to be flamed by the HD riders on here*  :-X

I used to feel the same way you do about the HD boys.  Full disclosure, I've never even ridden Harley.  I have however ridden with several guys on their baggers, and felt fully accepted on my Conti GT.  I have come to the conclusion that (in the US at least) there are just so many HD riders compared to anyone else, that there is a greater chance of the particular rider not noticing you, having clutch in, or  just being a douche.  I have passed many other types of bikes and not gotten a wave or nod. I have also passed countless Harley guys that do give a wave or nod.  I don't take it personal anymore.


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Reply #15 on: April 04, 2021, 04:10:37 pm
I used to feel the same way you do about the HD boys.  Full disclosure, I've never even ridden Harley.  I have however ridden with several guys on their baggers, and felt fully accepted on my Conti GT.  I have come to the conclusion that (in the US at least) there are just so many HD riders compared to anyone else, that there is a greater chance of the particular rider not noticing you, having clutch in, or  just being a douche.  I have passed many other types of bikes and not gotten a wave or nod. I have also passed countless Harley guys that do give a wave or nod.  I don't take it personal anymore.
I live in the UK and 2 wheel culture is different here compared to the USA. I have ridden (but not owned) a Sportster and loved it, but even if I could afford to buy one I know that it would be stolen straight away living in London.  :(
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Reply #16 on: April 04, 2021, 04:12:47 pm
Just imagine that all the cars on that car park all had loud pipes as well. If we all ride with loud pipes, why shouldn't they?
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Reply #17 on: April 04, 2021, 04:30:37 pm
Just for contrast I ride a lot with a couple of Harley guys. All were former pro level racers in a variety of disciplines from Outlaw Sprint cars to a National Level Supercross. One is service manager at a large HD shop, one has an independent repair shop, he has logged just shy of one million documented miles btw. None of them have aftermarket pipes on their bikes. Nor do they wear any sort of "costume" when they ride, other than what any of us would wear riding our Interceptors or whatever.

For the record the guy that runs the dealership service department tells me his largest money maker is aftermarket pipe's, low restriction air inlets, and "tuners." Sound familiar? He's as perplexed and dismayed by the "typical" HD owner as the rest of us.  8)



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Reply #18 on: April 04, 2021, 04:33:11 pm
I live in the UK and 2 wheel culture is different here compared to the USA. I have ridden (but not owned) a Sportster and loved it, but even if I could afford to buy one I know that it would be stolen straight away living in London.  :(
Just a couple of years ago I worked on a project involving property theft in the UK. The stats for motorcycle / scooters were pretty shocking. And very organized. One element was thieves riding double in the morning traffic and following their targets to work. The police say that they get an order for parts for a particular brand / model so they swoop in and steel a donor bike.
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Reply #19 on: April 04, 2021, 04:47:29 pm
In the area of SW PA where I grew up, which is essentially the foothills of the Appalachians, bikes with loud pipes could be heard for miles, owing as much to the topography as anything. The hills funneled the sound in some very peculiar ways. It was not just HDs either - any high-revving inline four could also be heard just as distinctly. I remember being able to follow my brother's route on his GSX-R almost as if I were in a helicopter, at least for five or so miles.
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Reply #20 on: April 04, 2021, 04:50:44 pm
I used to feel the same way you do about the HD boys.  Full disclosure, I've never even ridden Harley.  I have however ridden with several guys on their baggers, and felt fully accepted on my Conti GT.  I have come to the conclusion that (in the US at least) there are just so many HD riders compared to anyone else, that there is a greater chance of the particular rider not noticing you, having clutch in, or  just being a douche.  I have passed many other types of bikes and not gotten a wave or nod. I have also passed countless Harley guys that do give a wave or nod.  I don't take it personal anymore.

I nod or "two fingers down" to everyone on two wheels including scooter, Groms and even bicyclist.   If you do it on 2 wheels, you are a brother.   Here in Minnesota Helmets are optional.  Typically, HD riders don't wear a helmet.    I noticed that helmetless riders wearing tank tops are the most likely not to acknowledge a wave or a nod.  I wear full gear and a full helmet (they can see you coming.)
 They don't outnumber riders here.  Many sport bikes and dual purpose bikes and those folks all acknowledge a nod or two fingers down.    While loud exhaust isn't  something I like any more than boom boxes or overmodulation that makes the windows quiver,  I don't mind if a**holes don't include me in their club.  :)
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Reply #21 on: April 04, 2021, 05:15:51 pm
The individual HD guys I come into contact with are usually quite nice and are often interested in my RE.  Unfortunately I don't know any Harley riders on a personal level that would make it easy to ask questions like the following;

1. Do you realize how annoying really loud pipes are?
2. At your age do you really like or need to make a spectacle of yourself?
3. What is the real attraction to riding in large groups?
4. Is displaying "attitude" important to you?

The previous comment about HD riders being on another planet seems very apt.

Despite being puzzled and put off by HD culture I really admire some of the bikes, particularly the older XLCH models.  I could see myself owning one albeit with real mufflers. ;D
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Reply #22 on: April 04, 2021, 05:30:35 pm
The individual RE guys I come into contact with are usually quite nice and are often interested in my HD.  Unfortunately I don't know any Enfield riders on a personal level that would make it easy to ask questions like the following;

1. Do you realize how annoying really small bikes are?
2. At your age do you really like or need to make a fool of yourself?
3. What is the real attraction to riding an underpowered indian bike?
4. Is displaying "attitude" important to you?
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Reply #23 on: April 04, 2021, 05:32:15 pm
The individual HD guys I come into contact with are usually quite nice and are often interested in my RE.  Unfortunately I don't know any Harley riders on a personal level that would make it easy to ask questions like the following;

1. Do you realize how annoying really loud pipes are?
2. At your age do you really like or need to make a spectacle of yourself?
3. What is the real attraction to riding in large groups?
4. Is displaying "attitude" important to you?

The previous comment about HD riders being on another planet seems very apt.

Despite being puzzled and put off by HD culture I really admire some of the bikes, particularly the older XLCH models.  I could see myself owning one albeit with real mufflers. ;D

I think the issue here is that while there are plenty of motorcycle enthusiasts that enjoy riding Harley's, like the guys I know. There are just as many, probably more that see them as a "lifestyle accessory" that allows them to spend a couple of hours a week pretending to be someone they aren't. Since it's largely pretense they don't care how much they offend anyone because once they take off their costume they fade right back in to whatever they are in real life, and since riding probably isn't a long term thing for them they couldn't care less about the damage they do.

I'd also suggest that some percentage of the guys that gravitate towards HD's, a much greater percentage in fact than you'd find riding other brands are just going to be anti social A-holes, because they can be, and see riding an HD as a jingoistic way of reminding us that they're "tough guys."

Over the years HD has built some outstanding bikes, pre 70 Sportsters were among the best motorcycles you could buy, and anyone that thinks HD can't build a fast motorcycle when it wants to has never ridden an XR750. In dirt track or road race trim they were an outstandingly good motorcycle.  Unfortunately the management at HD figured they'd get rich catering to a segment of the market that the other OEM's wanted little part of and were fairly successful at it for a number of years, and worse forced many of the other manufacturers to waste valuable resources on the cruiser market, which has no all but dried up.


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Reply #24 on: April 04, 2021, 05:36:56 pm
The HD bikers i know have their Harley to ride. Long distances. Often more than 20.000km per year. Impossible with indian garbage. Not the kind of people who pretend they are still in the 60s, when english cycles were great. Rockers and leather-boys on their cafe racers, not just old farts on their cheap indian wannabee bikes..
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Reply #25 on: April 04, 2021, 05:56:07 pm
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Reply #26 on: April 04, 2021, 06:09:04 pm
Just imagine that all the cars on that car park all had loud pipes as well. If we all ride with loud pipes, why shouldn't they?

The only answer to this kind of question are electric cars and electric bikes. And everything else made illegal.
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Reply #27 on: April 04, 2021, 07:03:59 pm
The only answer to this kind of question are electric cars and electric bikes. And everything else made illegal.
Not true. There is a grey in between the black (all loud) and white (all electric) and that is that everybody behaves...
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Reply #28 on: April 04, 2021, 07:08:11 pm
For the green politians there is no compromise. No gray. They know emperor Cesar "divide and conquer".

So why 95 dB for bikes? What if 10 bikes meet? So 80 dB would be better. And when bikes only have 80 dB, why not cars with 70dB? If you cannot build bikes with 70dB, then electric is the only way to go.

This or a never ending lockdown with meeting restrictions. Or both.
For the sake of a better world.

And people like you are enabling them.
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Reply #29 on: April 04, 2021, 07:29:59 pm
Well with this lockdown and somewhat draconian fines, they have established how easy people are to manipulate, probably an experiment for things destined to come in the future, a trial run. I point the finger at the new world order.
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Reply #30 on: April 04, 2021, 08:12:27 pm
The nice thing about Harley's is that when you go on one of their forums it doesn't have a constant stream of posts whining about other bikes. The insecurity about ones bike of choice isn't limited to RE owners, I've noticed it on triumph forums too.


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Reply #31 on: April 04, 2021, 08:33:30 pm
The nice thing about Harley's is that when you go on one of their forums it doesn't have a constant stream of posts whining about other bikes. The insecurity about ones bike of choice isn't limited to RE owners, I've noticed it on triumph forums too.
Say what you want about Harley's but I've never met an owner of one that didn't think it was absolutely the best bike on the planet. I haven't owned an HD street bike since 1971, but when I did I was insufferable.  (Not that I'm any better now.) ;)


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Reply #32 on: April 04, 2021, 08:40:35 pm
Say what you want about Royal Enfields but I've never met an owner of one that didn't think it was absolutely not the best bike on the planet.
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Reply #33 on: April 04, 2021, 08:50:31 pm
Say what you want about Harley's but I've never met an owner of one that didn't think it was absolutely the best bike on the planet. I haven't owned an HD street bike since 1971, but when I did I was insufferable.  (Not that I'm any better now.) ;)
I know a lot of HD owners and while they may prefer HD to all other brands, every single one of them can also appreciate other styles and manufacturers. I'm still a HD owner for another week and while I wouldn't buy any other brand for a tourer or cruiser, I recognize there are plenty of other makers out there that make great bikes too. Hell, just last night I had a couple harley guys admiring my RE. If the internet is to be believed guys like that don't exist, but in the real world I'm constantly meeting cool folks on all brands, regardless of what I'm riding.


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Reply #34 on: April 04, 2021, 09:28:36 pm
GET OFF MY LAWN!!! DAMN KIDS!!
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Reply #35 on: April 04, 2021, 09:36:52 pm
This is quite a strategy for question response, copy & invert the meaning, make it seem like the original questioner missed a vital point or concept.
This worked OK for Jackstraw, not so well for Zimmemr when you added an extra "not" altering the meaning, probably unintentionally.
Your alterations to Jackstraw's questions are interesting, "loud pipes" become "small bikes", "spectacle" becomes "fool", "riding in large groups" becomes "riding an underpowered indian bike". So apparently riding a small, underpowered Indian-built bike makes one a fool? So then logically, to be considered "not a fool" (wise? intelligent? sagacious? rational? sane?) one must then ride loud, powerful motorcycles in large groups?

In the future I'll keep a sharp eye ( & ear!) out for large groups of "wise" riders on their powerful, unmuffled 200 HP Hayabusas & ZX14's, Ninja H2R's (we are talking actually powerful motorcycles, yes?) careening along the highway. I wouldn't want to impede their wonderfulness by having to see or acknowledge my lowly solitary 22 BHP Bullet ingenuously plonking along a public byway. Hopefully no "fool-cooties" will rub off as they streak past.

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Zimmemr: Say what you want about Harley's but I've never met an owner of one that didn't think it was absolutely the best bike on the planet.
(summary: HD Owners think HD is best)

Viczena: Say what you want about Royal Enfields but I've never met an owner of one that didn't think it was absolutely not the best bike on the planet.
(summary: RE Owners think RE is worst)

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Jackstraw: The individual HD guys I come into contact with are usually quite nice and are often interested in my RE.  Unfortunately I don't know any Harley riders on a personal level that would make it easy to ask questions like the following;
1. Do you realize how annoying really loud pipes are?
2. At your age do you really like or need to make a spectacle of yourself?
3. What is the real attraction to riding in large groups?
4. Is displaying "attitude" important to you?
(summary: Author doesn't personally know any HD riders willing to answer questions of intent or purpose.)

Viczena: The individual RE guys I come into contact with are usually quite nice and are often interested in my HD.  Unfortunately I don't know any Enfield riders on a personal level that would make it easy to ask questions like the following
1. Do you realize how annoying really small bikes are?
2. At your age do you really like or need to make a fool of yourself?
3. What is the real attraction to riding an underpowered indian bike?
4. Is displaying "attitude" important to you?
(summary: Author doesn't personally know any RE riders willing to answer questions of intent or purpose.)

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Reply #36 on: April 04, 2021, 09:52:49 pm
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Reply #37 on: April 04, 2021, 10:08:07 pm
This thread is devolving into lord of the flies territory


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Reply #38 on: April 04, 2021, 10:12:36 pm
Put your helmets on a go for a ride ???
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Reply #39 on: April 04, 2021, 10:30:12 pm
What. The. Actual. Hell. Was that?

It's like stream of consciousness gone wrong.
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Reply #40 on: April 04, 2021, 10:40:41 pm
Back to seriousness (sorry I haven't read the devolved thread), we have lots of Harley riders here, a majority in fact, but none of them are nearly as noisy or annoying as the young hotshots driving big diesel pickups that are so loud they put the Harley riders to shame.


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Reply #41 on: April 05, 2021, 12:09:28 am
What. The. Actual. Hell. Was that?

It's like stream of consciousness gone wrong.

Troll trolling. Well played.

Back to seriousness (sorry I haven't read the devolved thread), we have lots of Harley riders here, a majority in fact, but none of them are nearly as noisy or annoying as the young hotshots driving big diesel pickups that are so loud they put the Harley riders to shame.

Diesels have always been a thing here. But since Americans "discovered" performance diesel, copycats here have also embraced them. They usually have a giant HD sticker on the back window and towing a pair of jetskis or a Wakesetter. Cashed up bogans. They usually sound nice, though. Not too loud.

In any event, I mostly don't GAF about loud exhausts. A rowdy 2 stroke or unmuffled v8 makes me think someone is having fun. Barking dogs is my trigger though, so I can understand why a loud bike infuriates someone else.
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Reply #42 on: April 05, 2021, 12:59:33 am
The nice thing about Harley's is that when you go on one of their forums it doesn't have a constant stream of posts whining about other bikes.
Because to many of them other bikes (or their riders) don't even exist and are not worthy of their time?  ;)
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Reply #43 on: April 05, 2021, 01:32:02 am
Because to many of them other bikes (or their riders) don't even exist and are not worthy of their time?  ;)

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Reply #44 on: April 05, 2021, 02:06:09 am
I dunno if I accept the premise of all Harley riders being snooty...The only group of Harleys and their riders that I've come across on my Bullet apart from the odd passing wave was up at Point of Rocks on the Maryland-Virginia line, where I'd paused for a break on the way home from a Britbike rally up in Oley, PA. They seemed genuinely interested in the Bullet and gave me an ice cold Budweiser tall boy as they were leaving. So, Harley riders are AOK by me. If I had to guess, I'd surmise they maybe saw something "kindred" in the antiquated-looking Enfield. Perhaps "lesser", sure, but kindred all the same--like that cousin with the unfortunate drooling issue. He'd still get a nice piece of chicken at the barbecue, right?

As for my Bullet's primitive "shortcomings", I embrace them. I suppose I enjoy the challenge. But then it ain't my first rodeo on a British-designed ride that demanded regular fettling. I freely concede that they ain't for everyone. Yet I'm not sure I'd truly enjoy something with more "appliance like" reliability as much, though I'd be willing to give one of those fancy 650s a good home some day.
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So badass my Enfield's actually illegal  in India.

(Legal enough to pass muster if they don't look too closely in Woodbridge, Virginia, where the buses don't run at night, holidays or weekends and I'm a contender for 'Village Idiot')


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Reply #45 on: April 05, 2021, 02:51:34 am
 In all groups, as well as riders- HD, British, Sportbike, Royal Enfield, etc, etc, there are some very cool people, assholes, and everything in between. You cannot judge or characterize a rider based upon the ride.

Those of us who are so bothered by a type of rider should ask themselves why?

In today's world, I find a rider who happens to be an asshole the last individual that is bothersome
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Reply #46 on: April 05, 2021, 02:55:15 am
Because to many of them other bikes (or their riders) don't even exist and are not worthy of their time?  ;)

Maybe. I know worrying about what others ride and whining about folks who choose to ride a different make than me isn't worthy of my time either!  ;D


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Reply #47 on: April 05, 2021, 02:56:38 am
The HD bikers i know have their Harley to ride. Long distances. Often more than 20.000km per year. Impossible with indian garbage. Not the kind of people who pretend they are still in the 60s, when english cycles were great. Rockers and leather-boys on their cafe racers, not just old farts on their cheap indian wannabee bikes..

Here’s a pic from my last ride with a HD. Almost landed flat on my face when it fired, those things have high turnover inertia.

BTW I’m well in my way to 20,000km pa on my Chennai special.


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Reply #48 on: April 05, 2021, 03:11:45 am
I'm going to suggest that viczena ain't here for the hunting.


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Reply #49 on: April 05, 2021, 03:18:01 am
If someone doesn't wave back, or tries to play out some pseudo tough role on his Harley, or rides with a Yosh pipe on his screaming Jap, or straight pipe or whatever asinine example of Dope, I could care less. Don't even notice anymore.

What I do notice is Dangerous behavior- flying past me in my lane at 127MPH with the added screaming pipe, or the same individual lane splltting at loud dangerous speed, or maybe with an almost naked young lady with flip flops on back as an added example of Dope.

That truly bothers me
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Reply #50 on: April 05, 2021, 03:29:57 am
A famous guy said: "Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples - while judging ourselves by our best intentions. And this has strained our bonds of understanding and common purpose. ..."

When it comes to motorcycles my common purpose is to inhale the moment. Ride like I don't have to get home. I embrace the tangential activities that keep dreaded thoughts out of mind.

All specialty activities have an element of tribalism. No one benefits from escalation to tribal warfare and hate.  At least we are much less snarky than the national kennel clubs ;).
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Reply #51 on: April 05, 2021, 03:34:47 am

Speaking of "dreaded thoughts", it's difficult to discern what exactly is happening here. It could be some guys bump-starting a bike. Or it might be some wacky game of Saddlebag Butt-JengaTM in progress. I knew you guys were freaky.
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So badass my Enfield's actually illegal  in India.

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Reply #52 on: April 05, 2021, 03:49:54 am
We clearly need to reconcile and find common ground.....

....so, what kind of oil should I use?  :o ;D :-X
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Reply #53 on: April 05, 2021, 04:38:39 am
I'm going to suggest that viczena ain't here for the hunting.

To his great credit, 'Viczena' actually runs his own Enfield Forum (in German) chock full of extremely useful tech info, like how to set it up so one might scan one's latter-day Royal Enfield with an OBDII scanner. That may not be of immediate use to "primitives" like me and my pre-digital Bullet, but having spent enough years in Germany in my youth to have picked up a bit of shabby-mumbly German, I do pop in there from time to time just to see what's new and interesting: https://www.g-homeserver.com/forum/royal-enfield-500-trials
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Reply #54 on: April 05, 2021, 09:24:07 am
And people like you are enabling them.
WTF? I actually think i am doing the opposite. Trying to get rid of the bikers image of being a hooligan that doesn't give a rats f*ck about anything or anybody.
But then again, everybody his own opinion.
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Reply #55 on: April 05, 2021, 09:27:20 am
Put your helmets on a go for a ride ???
Let me finish my coffee first.
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Reply #56 on: April 05, 2021, 09:30:00 am
maybe with an almost naked young lady with flip flops on back as an added example of Dope.
That's what i am missing and that's what really is bothering me.
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Reply #57 on: April 05, 2021, 09:39:19 am
Trying to get rid of the bikers image of being a hooligan that doesn't give a rats f*ck about anything or anybody. Do you really believe that you will be excempted?

That is  exactly the definition of any biker on any bike with combustion engine.
For every non-biker . So you are enabling getting rid of any non-electrical bike. Or any bike, if you see the urge to close roads for bikes. Or later on for any "non essential travel"?

How well did Chamberlains appeasement policy work out?

How well will it work out that you show the world that you are a real believer of face masks, lockdowns and punishment?

Do you really believe that you will be excempted?
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Reply #58 on: April 05, 2021, 12:19:28 pm
My former BMW R1150 with the German ultra quite exhaust very little noise.


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Reply #59 on: April 05, 2021, 12:28:25 pm

Speaking of "dreaded thoughts", it's difficult to discern what exactly is happening here. It could be some guys bump-starting a bike. Or it might be some wacky game of Saddlebag Butt-JengaTM in progress. I knew you guys were freaky.

We were trying to deliver his HD welcome present, but he just ignored us and rode off.  :-\


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Reply #60 on: April 05, 2021, 12:49:58 pm
What I do notice is Dangerous behavior- flying past me in my lane at 127MPH with the added screaming pipe, or the same individual lane splltting at loud dangerous speed, or maybe with an almost naked young lady with flip flops on back as an added example of Dope.

That truly bothers me
Those sort of guys tend to remove themselves from the gene pool fairly quickly. That doesn't bother me. It does bother me when they take others with them. I used to see some guy who used to fly up and down my residential road at great speed (and noise) every day overtaking everything he could in a 30 MPH limit for no reason. Suddenly he's not around any more. Same with the guys on L plated scooters who used to pass me every day on my way to work and fly past everybody else - often appearing from nowhere and overtaking on the inside. Suddenly not around any more. I hope they are enjoying their hospital food and learning their lesson.
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Reply #61 on: April 05, 2021, 01:35:05 pm
Everybody rides their own bike for their own reasons. Judging somebody solely by what they ride strikes me as being foolish, but then again so does a lot of what goes on these days.

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Reply #62 on: April 05, 2021, 03:21:40 pm
I saw a good one today. A smoky old shitbox going down the road, followed by a couple of Harley guys with the usual earsplitting pipes. They were dodging and weaving the smoke and the way they were gesticulating to each other at a traffic light, it seemed clear they didn't enjoy the pollution from the old car. Irony, much?
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Reply #63 on: April 05, 2021, 04:44:11 pm
I saw a good one today. A smoky old shitbox going down the road, followed by a couple of Harley guys with the usual earsplitting pipes. They were dodging and weaving the smoke and the way they were gesticulating to each other at a traffic light, it seemed clear they didn't enjoy the pollution from the old car. Irony, much?

One's man's exhaust smoke is another man's 007-smoke screen.

That said, I'll take noise pollution any day over vehicles spewing plumes of burnt oil and fuel as they shimmy and shake down the highway.

Diesel guys up here love to "roll coal" as some sort of gesture against hybrid or electric cars. My son drives a Ford Super Duty, and I'll throttle the kid if I ever catch him doing that.
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Reply #64 on: April 06, 2021, 03:13:41 am
I had an UltraClassic a while ago and replaced it with moderate V&H slip-ons and the constant noise was just too much. I never subscribed to the "Loud Pipes save lives" bullshit. I doubt there's ever been an accident report that said "Accident occurred because pipes weren't loud enough." Building a case around loud pipes saving lives is anecdotal and subjective. Obsoletely no evidence backing it up. There is more evidence it's BS. The people I rode with were generally older than me or retired and just didn't care for long pipes because they actually toured often. Of course they weren't "bikers" either. I rather liked my circle of Harley owners over BMW riders who seem to be the most condescending snobs I've ever met. I've owned a few BMW's and don't particularly like the majority of BMW owners I've met. That's just my experience. They spend an inordinate time complaining about Harley's and their riders than owning BMW's. Then there is the "if it isn't a boxer it isn't a beemer." People can have that elitist mindset in every group.

I think this whole loud pipe thing came to be after aftermarket manufacturers gained in sales after a motorcycle sales resurgence. Prior to that, the tech just wasn't there and the bravado of owning a loud bike was simply just that, bravado.

There's ample evidence the whole biker 1% image was a media creation from the get go and further soiled the reputation of your average biker by a string of B movies in the late 60's and 70's that really created the biker image. Easyrider was more a movie about an experience that idolized the outsider. My Uncle was a biker in the 70's and in a rather notorious club. He rode a chopped Triumph. There were no rules about American motorcycles or loud pipes.

People just can't say they like loud pipes because it make them feel like a badass, they created this "reason" to justify being asses. It's just as disrespectful as blasting a car stereo. It's not surprising anti-social behavior expresses itself as loud and obnoxious. It's not just a Harley thing. Sport bike riders have loud pipes. I personally don't understand the excessively loud pipes some riders have other than a lack of personal confidence and bravado. I think it's really just a lack of maturity. It'll absolutely wreck your hearing and they probably aren't aware just how expensive hearing aids can be in their old age.

I'd rather hear sounds around me than being deafened by the pipes under me. Yes. I do have S&S pipes and they can really rip under throttle but I try to be cognizant of where I am and use the baffles to sweeten the sound. It just has a classic twin sound that maybe a mother of a small child likes (however kids wave at me and seem enthralled, even little girls.) I usually listen to music on the GS while riding and just listen to the Intercepter while riding it. I just like the distinctive sound of a classic air cooled twin. I grew up around motorcycles, my father rode and raced and he was a huge fan of the H1 500 Mach III triple. That bike was a snarling beast in it's day. He was a huge fan of British cars, but preferred Japanese bikes, likely due to Japan really hammering the British motorcycle industry.

Sound is highly subjective. A classic air/oil cooled twin just has a sweet spot most bikes don't have without modification.

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Reply #65 on: April 06, 2021, 03:29:55 am
The nice thing about Harley's is that when you go on one of their forums it doesn't have a constant stream of posts whining about other bikes. The insecurity about ones bike of choice isn't limited to RE owners, I've noticed it on triumph forums too.

Completely true, they just don't care. Go to a BMW group on Facebook and they spent an inordinate amount of time talking trash about Harley's, more so than any other group. Then they dog pile the BMW owners that still own Harley's when they say "Hey, wait a minute."

 I've owned many a BMW but some people in that group are just whiners, complainers and snobs. It's unreal.

I wrote this and posted it online when a real obnoxious ass comes along:

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Reply #66 on: April 06, 2021, 03:45:41 am
Completely true, they just don't care. Go to a BMW group on Facebook and they spent an inordinate amount of time talking trash about Harley's, more so than any other group. Then they dog pile the BMW owners that still own Harley's when they say "Hey, wait a minute."

 I've owned many a BMW but some people in that group are just whiners, complainers and snobs. It's unreal.

I wrote this and posted it online when a real obnoxious ass comes along:

https://medium.com/@ibjaxon/how-to-be-a-beemer-elitist-8871bd4372fc

Excellent, it jibes nicely with my experience as a former member of an ADV bike club.


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Reply #67 on: April 06, 2021, 04:10:53 am
I never subscribed to the "Loud Pipes save lives" bullshit.


Except I was saying to a friend a while ago that found an exception to that rule :  we can hear the kid from down the street on his Husky dirt bike coming from a couple of blocks away thanks to his loud pipe. That gives us time to get inside, hide behind a tree or something before he gets here, travelling at warp speed on the back wheel. He does an OK wheelie buts it's all power, no balance point. It's only a matter of time before he takes himself out. It's best to be somewhere else when he does 😂
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Reply #68 on: April 06, 2021, 04:43:23 am
Except I was saying to a friend a while ago that found an exception to that rule :  we can hear the kid from down the street on his Husky dirt bike coming from a couple of blocks away thanks to his loud pipe. That gives us time to get inside, hide behind a tree or something before he gets here, travelling at warp speed on the back wheel. He does an OK wheelie buts it's all power, no balance point. It's only a matter of time before he takes himself out. It's best to be somewhere else when he does 😂

Witness statements cut into riding time. Can't say I blame you for dodging that bullet.
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Reply #69 on: April 06, 2021, 05:40:05 am
Except I was saying to a friend a while ago that found an exception to that rule :  we can hear the kid from down the street on his Husky dirt bike coming from a couple of blocks away thanks to his loud pipe. That gives us time to get inside, hide behind a tree or something before he gets here, travelling at warp speed on the back wheel. He does an OK wheelie buts it's all power, no balance point. It's only a matter of time before he takes himself out. It's best to be somewhere else when he does 😂
Good one Gizzo.
There is another exception. A real world one. Bicyclists.
   I'm pretty sure it is the same everywhere. Bicycle riders seek out the same isolated, twisty, blind curved roads as we do. They tend to ride in pairs or groups. Often side by side. With the closing rate of a motorcycle over a bicycle, they can benefit from hearing us a corner away to give them time to form a single line.
   The worst is on downhill stretches. They are blazing away at 23mph and using the same entry, apex and exit lines as we do. I got nothing against the bicycle crowd and I'm not advocating for super loud pipes. But from years of riding a whisper quiet CBR among the rotation of my other "audible" bikes ... if they don't hear you coming they are using the whole road. Its kinda like a Larson cartoon of the cows or deer. So audible pipes can save lives.
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Reply #70 on: April 06, 2021, 03:23:10 pm
as a bicyclist I find bicyclists can be annoying and dangerous. Coming cross a major bicycling event on my favorite  canyon road and/or stretched out for miles on a narrow highway with no shoulder. I want everyone to get home safe at the end of the day but in the meantime my temperature/pressure can rise a few degrees.

working on a survey crew for the state on our highway system convinced me it was not a place I would want to be on a bicycle. lucky for me we have some dirt trails where I ride regularly.


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Reply #71 on: April 06, 2021, 06:55:36 pm
as a bicyclist I find bicyclists can be annoying and dangerous. Coming cross a major bicycling event on my favorite  canyon road and/or stretched out for miles on a narrow highway with no shoulder. I want everyone to get home safe at the end of the day but in the meantime my temperature/pressure can rise a few degrees.

working on a survey crew for the state on our highway system convinced me it was not a place I would want to be on a bicycle. lucky for me we have some dirt trails where I ride regularly.

Where I live triathlons are a big deal. For one weekend out of the year, every major road is crippled. That I can deal with. The practice is more of an issue. Individuals are fine, but when they get their own peloton going, with support vehicles riding two or three deep I take issue. Road users must share the space, but that doesn't only apply to motor vehicles. Support vehicles impede traffic and create unsafe conditions for other road users.

I say this as someone who cycle commuted in an urban environment for a decade, a lifelong cyclist. Narrow winding mountain roads are not safe for cyclists
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Reply #72 on: April 07, 2021, 11:49:41 am
My lightning with the 535 high com piston etc. and a megaphone pipe with the baffle blown out is a most obnoxiously loud bike. It sounds like bang bang bang (not in smooth uniform way) and is as earsplitting as many a harley.
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Reply #73 on: April 07, 2021, 01:22:14 pm
My lightning with the 535 high com piston etc. and a megaphone pipe with the baffle blown out is a most obnoxiously loud bike. It sounds like bang bang bang (not in smooth uniform way) and is as earsplitting as many a harley.
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Reply #74 on: April 07, 2021, 05:11:36 pm
A little extra sound on just about any bike sounds nice to me. Not straight pipes of course, but a Harley with that "Flowmasters" or Steve McQueen "Bullit" sound is beautiful. Sorry, but "sewing machine" bikes just don't cut it for me.

And, I may be anecdotal(hate the word") but a little extra sound can alert a sleepy driver on a highway that you are next to him(oops non woke. I mean individual- shoot me)
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Reply #75 on: April 07, 2021, 05:37:43 pm
A little extra sound on just about any bike sounds nice to me. Not straight pipes of course, but a Harley with that "Flowmasters" or Steve McQueen "Bullit" sound is beautiful. Sorry, but "sewing machine" bikes just don't cut it for me.

And, I may be anecdotal(hate the word") but a little extra sound can alert a sleepy driver on a highway that you are next to him(oops non woke. I mean individual- shoot me)

I agree with this. Which is why I swapped out the stock mufflers. The new ones growl (and scream if you really make them), and it just sounds better than listening to the ticking of the engine that seems louder than the stock exhaust note.

I don't know everyone's ages here, but it seems that those against louder exhaust are 60-ish and over, and the younger crowd, such as myself (even at 45) are perfectly okay with, and even like, a little extra noise on their bikes.

We could make this REALLY interesting and turn it into a Boomer vs Gen-x/Millennial thing  ;D

That said, seriously, to each his own. It really shouldn't make any difference in how we enjoy riding our bikes, and if we're so easily miffed at the miscreants who rumble by on loud-ass Harleys or scream by on ear-splitting crotch rockets, maybe we should reconsider our willingness to be outside among society. Or, move someplace where THEY are NOT.
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Reply #76 on: April 07, 2021, 05:41:40 pm
A little extra sound on just about any bike sounds nice to me. Not straight pipes of course, but a Harley with that "Flowmasters" or Steve McQueen "Bullit" sound is beautiful. Sorry, but "sewing machine" bikes just don't cut it for me.

And, I may be anecdotal(hate the word") but a little extra sound can alert a sleepy driver on a highway that you are next to him(oops non woke. I mean individual- shoot me)

I agree I love the sound of a "throaty" motorcycle or car. It's the drag pipe at 2 AM, or more often the open pipe metric cruiser that just sounds like a sixties straight pipe 305 Honda that annoys me.


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Reply #77 on: April 07, 2021, 07:28:44 pm
Hey Sand squid, I'm 65, young man!
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Reply #78 on: April 07, 2021, 07:34:10 pm
Oh, and MarkZ
If I can get upstate it will be a Sunday 8am at your diner

And all you fellow locals, shoot a personal message if you're heading that way over there, or be square
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Reply #79 on: April 07, 2021, 07:54:41 pm
Hey Sand squid, I'm 65, young man!

welp. Blew that theory out of the water!
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Reply #80 on: April 07, 2021, 09:11:58 pm
Oh, and MarkZ
If I can get upstate it will be a Sunday 8am at your diner

And all you fellow locals, shoot a personal message if you're heading that way over there, or be square

This Sunday they're predicting rain, so I'll most likely drive over, but if the forecast changes for the better, breakfast at 8, and a ride afterward. That being said I'm there every Sunday and all are welcome. A PM before hand is a good idea, just in case I decide to go fishing or something.  ;) But anyone that sees this is welcome, no matter what they ride.


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Reply #81 on: April 07, 2021, 10:38:05 pm
I agree with this. Which is why I swapped out the stock mufflers. The new ones growl (and scream if you really make them), and it just sounds better than listening to the ticking of the engine that seems louder than the stock exhaust note.

I don't know everyone's ages here, but it seems that those against louder exhaust are 60-ish and over, and the younger crowd, such as myself (even at 45) are perfectly okay with, and even like, a little extra noise on their bikes.

We could make this REALLY interesting and turn it into a Boomer vs Gen-x/Millennial thing  ;D

That said, seriously, to each his own. It really shouldn't make any difference in how we enjoy riding our bikes, and if we're so easily miffed at the miscreants who rumble by on loud-ass Harleys or scream by on ear-splitting crotch rockets, maybe we should reconsider our willingness to be outside among society. Or, move someplace where THEY are NOT.

46 here and put me into the I like a little extra noise camp. Most aftermarket exhausts aren't that loud at lower RPM's and throttle openings anyway. More importantly, even if they're not whisper quiet, they're at least reasonably quiet and don't sound terrible like the stock exhaust. As one friend described my stock RE exhaust "It sounds like a nursing home resident gently shitting into his depends." :o

On today's ride the only intentionally loud vehicles were a Mustang, a Hellcat, and an Audi RS7. I wasn't mad at any of them.  ;D


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Reply #82 on: April 07, 2021, 11:28:19 pm
I'm 67 and don't mind a subtle growl, and to be honest I get a real kick out of the little urchins that go past my house every day on their MX bikes  as they head into the woods. What I dislike is an open pipe on any bike that's needlessly loud, just for the sake of being loud.


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Reply #83 on: April 07, 2021, 11:32:30 pm
Just for the sake of being loud. Most of the air cooled bikes are strangled by the exhaust.
I like the exhaust as much open as it is necessary, to optimize airflow.
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Reply #84 on: April 07, 2021, 11:55:25 pm
Just for the sake of being loud. Most of the air cooled bikes are strangled by the exhaust.
I like the exhaust as much open as it is necessary, to optimize airflow.

I'm guessing you live in Germany, yes? I thought they were very strict about modifications over there. In Connecticut there is no motor vehicle inspection so the cops can't pull you over just because they think the pipes are too loud. However if they pull you over for some violation, speeding for instance or running a red light they have the authority to check your bike (or car) for "equipment violations." If the mufflers or pipes don't have the OEM certification stamp on them they can right write you a hefty ticket, and require you to appear in court with proof that the OEM pipes or ones that meet OEM noise standards have been installed.  In the real world they usually don't make it an issue unless you piss them off.  But in New York a few years back, where they do have yearly inspections they stopped over 300 bikes one Sunday and every one that didn't have an OEM stamp on their pipe got a hefty ticket.


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Reply #85 on: April 08, 2021, 12:12:17 am
 But in New York a few years back, where they do have yearly inspections they stopped over 300 bikes one Sunday and every one that didn't have an OEM stamp on their pipe got a hefty ticket.
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That's cuz they from the gub'mint and they here to help.

In the early 70's the California Highway Patrol set up random vehicle inspections in some pretty unlikely places.  Coming back from a race meet at Willow Springs in my old Dodge panel truck I was stopped in one.  They looked at EVERY darned thing on my truck, wrote me a list of violations and then the somewhat overzealous inspector wanted me to unload my race bike for inspection. I shrugged my shoulders and started to comply when the OIC came over, eyed my Ducati, turned to the inspector and said "you're kidding, right?"  Then he said "sorry 'bout that, have a nice day."
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Reply #86 on: April 08, 2021, 12:23:54 am
But in New York a few years back, where they do have yearly inspections they stopped over 300 bikes one Sunday and every one that didn't have an OEM stamp on their pipe got a hefty ticket.


That's cuz they from the gub'mint and they here to help.

In the early 70's the California Highway Patrol set up random vehicle inspections in some pretty unlikely places.  Coming back from a race meet at Willow Springs in my old Dodge panel truck I was stopped in one.  They looked at EVERY darned thing on my truck, wrote me a list of violations and then the somewhat overzealous inspector wanted me to unload my race bike for inspection. I shrugged my shoulders and started to comply when the OIC came over, eyed my Ducati, turned to the inspector and said "you're kidding, right?"  Then he said "sorry 'bout that, have a nice day."

I wanted to ask Viczena how they dealt with non-OEM pipes over there, but I'm having issues with text wrap. Cops can be arbitrary SOBs when they want to be. Around here most of them are pretty good guys, and know when to back off, but some days it's like they turned the asshole knob up to 11. I've learned to just shine them on when they act like that and hope for the best. I once got stopped by the border patrol down in Arizona and they made me unload my saddle bags. I asked them what they were looking for and when they told me illegal's I almost fell over. The guy I was with asked them if they thought we were smuggling hobbits, which went over like a fart in church.


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Reply #87 on: April 08, 2021, 08:44:36 am
Yes, the regulations in germany are strict, but not evil. As long as you have the EU markings on your exhaust and didnt remove your dbKiller, you are normally safe. Same with exhaust valves.

It is still possible to get a good flowing exhaust on your bike. But if the cops already hear you from miles away, your chances are not good.

And exhausts without EU marking are a no go. The cops can be as dumb as a wet fart, but they all know exactly where to look for the marking. Exhaust, light, mirrors.

If they find the markings, you are normally good to go.

Interestingly most of the Harley exhausts dont have the EU marking, but are still legal. The cops know that, so the chances are good that you can pass with a OEM lookalike exhaust.

And if you got a real exotic dancer, you can do whatever you want.
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Reply #88 on: April 08, 2021, 03:39:03 pm
Yes, the regulations in germany are strict, but not evil. As long as you have the EU markings on your exhaust and didnt remove your dbKiller, you are normally safe. Same with exhaust valves.

It is still possible to get a good flowing exhaust on your bike. But if the cops already hear you from miles away, your chances are not good.

And exhausts without EU marking are a no go. The cops can be as dumb as a wet fart, but they all know exactly where to look for the marking. Exhaust, light, mirrors.

If they find the markings, you are normally good to go.

Interestingly most of the Harley exhausts dont have the EU marking, but are still legal. The cops know that, so the chances are good that you can pass with a OEM lookalike exhaust.

And if you got a real exotic dancer, you can do whatever you want.
Where exactly is the EU stamp on the 650 OEM silencer?
Have you considered heavily modifying your stock exhaust with a Helmholtz tube(s)?
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Reply #89 on: April 08, 2021, 03:46:24 pm
I dont know. My Trials 500 OEM silencer had this markings.
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Reply #90 on: April 09, 2021, 01:13:55 am
A little extra sound on just about any bike sounds nice to me. Not straight pipes of course, but a Harley with that "Flowmasters" or Steve McQueen "Bullit" sound is beautiful. Sorry, but "sewing machine" bikes just don't cut it for me.

And, I may be anecdotal(hate the word") but a little extra sound can alert a sleepy driver on a highway that you are next to him(oops non woke. I mean individual- shoot me)

That's one of the things I love about these bikes - they managed to give them a real sound.  Not too loud, and not just a whisper.

I would love an exhaust system that keeps the sound while losing 25 or 30 pounds.  I think the TEC Stinger comes closest. I just haven't reconciled my self to losing the cats entirely.  I like clean air.


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Reply #91 on: April 09, 2021, 02:10:15 am
That's one of the things I love about these bikes - they managed to give them a real sound.  Not too loud, and not just a whisper.

I would love an exhaust system that keeps the sound while losing 25 or 30 pounds.  I think the TEC Stinger comes closest. I just haven't reconciled my self to losing the cats entirely.  I like clean air.
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Reply #92 on: April 09, 2021, 08:51:12 pm
If you are committed, search for "universal catalytic converter replacement". About $80 USD as small as 2inches dia / 8inches long. O2 sensor bung included. Any decent muffler shop can reduce and install. Decorate to suit.

I've looked at slip-in catalyst inserts. I need to learn more about how the stinger muffler is constructed in order to choose a size. And I need to sell some unused toys to pay for the stinger.


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Reply #93 on: April 09, 2021, 10:12:34 pm
This Sunday they're predicting rain, so I'll most likely drive over, but if the forecast changes for the better, breakfast at 8, and a ride afterward. That being said I'm there every Sunday and all are welcome. A PM before hand is a good idea, just in case I decide to go fishing or something.  ;) But anyone that sees this is welcome, no matter what they ride.

Love to be there, but it's a bit far for me. If anybody wants to meet in SE Idaho, send me a PM. (That is, if it doesn't snow again.) Loud pipes, no cats, all OK, nobody cares.


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Reply #94 on: April 09, 2021, 10:17:04 pm
Love to be there, but it's a bit far for me. If anybody wants to meet in SE Idaho, send me a PM. (That is, if it doesn't snow again.) Loud pipes, no cats, all OK, nobody cares.

I hear ya, We're done with snow here, at least I hope so, now we're entering mud season.  ;)


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Reply #95 on: April 09, 2021, 10:24:01 pm
Ultimately I would like to switch the mufflers I have (EMGO) for the ones I initially wanted... Scorpion...

This way I will have the weight savings and reduce the noise made by the EMGO pipes.

But for now, very happy with the setup, for the price, even if it is louder than I wanted...

When funds become available.... enjoying what I have for now.

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Reply #96 on: April 09, 2021, 10:34:07 pm
Lucky you, I'm still looking for scrambler-type high level exhausts. Scarce as hen's teeth. Should be a market for the Interceptor but except for the Zard (which seems to be overpriced for the quality of workmanship), there doesn't seem to be anything available.


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Reply #97 on: April 09, 2021, 10:38:21 pm
Ultimately I would like to switch the mufflers I have (EMGO) for the ones I initially wanted... Scorpion...

This way I will have the weight savings and reduce the noise made by the EMGO pipes.

But for now, very happy with the setup, for the price, even if it is louder than I wanted...

When funds become available.... enjoying what I have for now.

Exhaust system prices are absolutely insane these days.

I chose the EMGOs based on looks and price. Hard to pass them up as reasonably priced as they are.

They LOOK like they should have from the factory and they're chrome to match the headers.
You can get away from the cheesy chrome bracket and use the stock muffler mounts with a bit of custom fitting.

I don't mind the quicker mid range throttle response either. If they were a bit quieter that'd be OK but at the price they can be bought for I can afford ear plugs.


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Reply #98 on: April 09, 2021, 10:38:35 pm
PS there's an old joke here in Idaho that there's two seasons, winter and the fourth of July, and sometimes it snows on the fourth of July. True story, I've been in snow on the fourth of July. I'll keep you posted.


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Reply #99 on: April 09, 2021, 11:03:56 pm
When I lived in Winnipeg, they had two seasons, winter and mosquitoes. We get summer every year too.... Last year it was on a Tuesday.  ::)
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Reply #100 on: April 09, 2021, 11:19:01 pm
Thanks, but I'll take the snow. I've seen the mosquitoes there.


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Reply #101 on: April 09, 2021, 11:23:49 pm
Thanks, but I'll take the snow. I've seen the mosquitoes there.

Could be worse. In Alaska the mosquitoes have "N" numbers on their tails.


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Reply #102 on: April 09, 2021, 11:32:42 pm
Been there too, but never heard that one.  :D :D


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Reply #103 on: April 09, 2021, 11:38:58 pm
My just-across-the-street neighbor has a LOUD Harley soft-tail.  He spent 20 grand for what? 0 to 70 maybe a second faster than my Interceptor, worse handling than my Interceptor, his bike is so low that I literally run away from him in the kinky twisty mountain roads around here where he's dragging bike parts on the pavement in corners I am taking while taking a nap.
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Reply #104 on: April 10, 2021, 03:39:16 am
Cant wait to get a mega loud harley that blows smoke like a two stroke so I can park outside a woke cafe and rev the @#$% out of it:)
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Reply #105 on: April 10, 2021, 05:42:20 pm
Loud pipe threads belong in the bin along with "which oil???" threads.  >:(

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