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on: April 02, 2021, 11:24:30 pm
Here is Long Way Home's take on the UK government-funded Triumph TE-1 technology demonstrator, spitting forth Triumph's spin and not much else: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6JHaYkSx4

Personally, I tend to think that the spin is a little optimistic regarding the claimed specifications of this electric motorcycle. But I guess we will see what happens later this year.
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Reply #1 on: April 03, 2021, 12:19:00 am
Interesting that the battery package and motor development has progressed to such an advanced stage AND Triumph's tech. partners are willing to show these cards, while the images of the complete bike are early stage industrial design renderings.  If what Williams' and Integral Powertrains' spokesmen said was true, and that a big component of the development was getting the weight distribution perfected, this suggests that the entire machine must be pretty well defined, at least in the virtual CAD domain.  Can't blame Triumph for wanting to keep the cat in the bag though.  I hope they loose the scary super villain eyes in the production version though.

80% of 15kW in 20 minutes is 36kW-Hr.  No idea what the pack voltage is, but probably around 300 - 400 VDC.  If my math is correct, that means charging at something like 100 amps, which means infrastructure.  From what I've read in another thread, there may be currently be some issue with a lack of charging stations in the UK?  But folks might be surprised to find that there are more charging stations around them than they know about.  It's best to investigate:  https://www.plugshare.com/location/117158

I was surprised at how many charging stations were around me, in places I drive past every day and never noticed.
 The transition may be painful, but eventually charging ports will be as common as parking meters downtown.  These will obediently dispense the invisible juice, in exchange for nothing more than pulling out your phone and touching an icon on the screen.  Another thing they will be able to do, that no gas pump can, is to uniquely identify each vehicle that plugs in, bad if you are a keeping a low profile, but a nice feature if your bike was stolen.


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Reply #2 on: April 03, 2021, 12:37:29 am
They adress one of the major design faults of current E-Bikes: Lack of fast charging capability. That is good.

Range and endurance of the power train is next.
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Reply #3 on: April 03, 2021, 01:14:17 am
My guess is that the various videos that have been dumped on the internet at the end of March have much to do with the project needing another round of government financing.  ;)
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Reply #4 on: April 03, 2021, 07:22:42 am
My guess is that the various videos that have been dumped on the internet at the end of March have much to do with the project needing another round of government financing.  ;)

+1, this kind of projects are ALL about gob. financing. Soon the vehicle industry as a whole will apply for a "Marshall Plan".   ;)
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Reply #5 on: April 03, 2021, 12:04:34 pm
Well we could rest assured you won't charge that from domestic mains, but might come in handy if you want to do some welding.


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Reply #6 on: April 03, 2021, 12:41:14 pm
Well we could rest assured you won't charge that from domestic mains, but might come in handy if you want to do some welding.

What? ...so after politicos rob your income you want to go and begg for a Marshallplan?  :o  ....I want Ketchup, dark red, loads of Ketschup.  ;) ;D
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Reply #7 on: April 03, 2021, 01:26:55 pm
Yea well that's another version of big brother track and trace technology, when that time comes we will be a cashless totalitarian controlled state, very much like china, l don't know why these western governments rant about them they have a great deal in common when it comes to civil liberties.


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Reply #8 on: April 03, 2021, 02:18:08 pm
I don't believe that government fiat money will have that position. It's days are numbered. Today's monetary goons are driving people around the world to blockchain technology. Stupid governments can't control digital currency. The big hand writing is on the wall.
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Reply #9 on: April 03, 2021, 03:09:18 pm
Well this is the problem governments driving everything by stealth for the purpose of total control, let's hope you are right, because they will transform the world into something no one likes, most people are oblivious to what goes on.


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Reply #10 on: April 04, 2021, 11:47:04 am
Well we could rest assured you won't charge that from domestic mains, but might come in handy if you want to do some welding.

Screw welding, I am not inclined to see any Volvos, Saabs, Scanias, Husquarnas, Königseggs, Stills around AT ALL! ...I´ve had more than enough!

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Reply #11 on: April 04, 2021, 11:57:54 am
That's a very good point, you don't see any of those on British roads anymore.


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Reply #12 on: April 05, 2021, 05:57:32 am
Hopefully they will apply the high standards of design and manufacture they used in developing the Rocket III :


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Reply #13 on: April 05, 2021, 02:15:11 pm
I am just not convinced that we will be seeing a Triumph electric motorcycle on the consumer market at a price that most enthusiasts can afford any time soon - and especially not this year or likely the next, either.  ???
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Reply #14 on: April 05, 2021, 02:53:27 pm
I am just not convinced that we will be seeing a Triumph electric motorcycle on the consumer market at a price that most enthusiasts can afford any time soon - and especially not this year or likely the next, either.  ???

....it probably is a better idea to develop an extreamly expensive e-motorcycle with out of the world specs and sell it as a one or two-off to some arabic prince than to try to reach any larger customer groups. 
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Reply #15 on: April 05, 2021, 07:03:59 pm
Ho well they have money to burn.


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Reply #16 on: April 05, 2021, 10:44:01 pm
Ho well they have money to burn.

For the moment.   ;)
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Reply #17 on: April 05, 2021, 10:58:20 pm
For the moment.   ;)

Thats true, I hear some norvegian want´s to build a couple of Dubai style fake islands in the baltic see. So the nordic caliphates are about to emerge. 

A new energy source that is going to power the king- and thiefdoms has already been discovered too.   ;)

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Reply #18 on: April 08, 2021, 10:00:06 pm
Even without the fast charging the range would be sufficient for a lot of riders considering the fact many will essentially wake up to a "full tank" every morning anyway.


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Reply #19 on: April 08, 2021, 10:45:31 pm
Speaking of full electric tanks, I checked the "mileage" of my Zero today. I was able to travel 75 miles and it took 8.7 kWh @ 26 cents a kWh to go that distance, costing $2.26. The same ride on one of my motorcycles that get 50 mpg @ $4.04 per gallon for regular fuel would cost $6.06. Your results may differ, especially if you don't live near San Francisco and ride a 70 mpg Royal Enfield.  ;)
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Reply #20 on: April 09, 2021, 08:13:12 am
Speaking of full electric tanks, I checked the "mileage" of my Zero today. I was able to travel 75 miles and it took 8.7 kWh @ 26 cents a kWh to go that distance, costing $2.26. The same ride on one of my motorcycles that get 50 mpg @ $4.04 per gallon for regular fuel would cost $6.06. Your results may differ, especially if you don't live near San Francisco and ride a 70 mpg Royal Enfield.  ;)

How efficient these electric vehicles are, unbelievable.  ;)
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Reply #21 on: April 09, 2021, 08:54:46 am
So who's going to be the first to take their ion-powered Zero full "Easy Rider" with 15" over extended front end, 15" fattie on the rear, 21" on the front and Ape Hangers? The shock value alone to the custom crowd would be worth it.  ;D
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Reply #22 on: April 09, 2021, 02:51:20 pm
So who's going to be the first to take their ion-powered Zero full "Easy Rider" with 15" over extended front end, 15" fattie on the rear, 21" on the front and Ape Hangers? The shock value alone to the custom crowd would be worth it.  ;D

Not me. I have both range and chopper anxieties.  ;)
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Reply #23 on: April 09, 2021, 03:44:01 pm
Not me. I have both range and chopper anxieties.  ;)

Ditto on the range anxiety, I routinely ride 250 to 300 miles on a Sunday, and most weekday rides are over 100 miles. E-bikes at this stage of the game are just impractical. Besides the ICE ticks all the boxes for me. An e-bike or car, not so much.


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Reply #24 on: April 09, 2021, 04:50:47 pm
Ditto on the range anxiety, I routinely ride 250 to 300 miles on a Sunday, and most weekday rides are over 100 miles. E-bikes at this stage of the game are just impractical. Besides the ICE ticks all the boxes for me. An e-bike or car, not so much.

Personally, I think electric motorcycles and scooters are great for commuting when you know exactly how many miles you will be traveling each day.  :)
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Reply #25 on: April 09, 2021, 06:15:58 pm
Personally, I think electric motorcycles and scooters are great for commuting when you know exactly how many miles you will be traveling each day.  :)

I agree, I thought a lot about an EV before I retired. I worked an evening shift at Connecticut Light and Power. It was a 16 mile round trip and we had plenty of charging stations there, so there would have been no logistical problems, but given that I was already thinking about retiring it didn't make fiscal sense to invest in an EV that I'd only use for commuting for just a year or 16 months.  :)


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Reply #26 on: April 10, 2021, 08:31:42 am
Personally, I think electric motorcycles and scooters are great for commuting when you know exactly how many miles you will be traveling each day.  :)

They are great for CCCP style central planning economies too, like the European North Korea = Sweden where everything goes accordingly to a higher plan.  ;)

Atleast until someone finds the planning gods and chopps the heads off.
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Reply #27 on: April 10, 2021, 09:15:17 am
They adress one of the major design faults of current E-Bikes: Lack of fast charging capability. That is good.

carburettor is next.
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