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martinw650

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on: March 26, 2021, 11:57:17 am
Anybody ever done it in a B5/C5?
Or anything else for that matter?


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Reply #1 on: March 26, 2021, 12:08:15 pm
Done a BMW but you can't remove after certain date now ifs illegal won't pass MOT.


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Reply #2 on: March 26, 2021, 01:53:13 pm
Done a BMW but you can't remove after certain date now ifs illegal won't pass MOT.

 :o wow - I'm seriously not impressed with that!
No wonder we no longer have a motor industry


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Reply #3 on: March 26, 2021, 02:11:55 pm
Done a BMW but you can't remove after certain date now ifs illegal won't pass MOT.

Will removing the seat of a BMW and installing a horse saddle pass the MOT?   ;D
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Reply #4 on: March 26, 2021, 02:41:53 pm
I've had a look through the MOT guide for class 1 and 2 vehicles, and not seeing anywhere where ABS is checked as being fitted.


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Reply #5 on: March 26, 2021, 03:35:52 pm
In the EU every motorcycle beyond 125ccm has to have an ABS. Since 2016.

If Britton did not change that law with their Brexit, this law is still valid.

Insurances will definitely resume to pay for a crash, if you removed the ABS.
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Reply #6 on: March 28, 2021, 11:14:07 pm
In the EU every motorcycle beyond 125ccm has to have an ABS. Since 2016.

If Britton did not change that law with their Brexit, this law is still valid.

Insurances will definitely resume to pay for a crash, if you removed the ABS.
Why are you telling someone in the UK your perception of the rules in Britain? it only causes confusion.
Bikes have to be manufactured with ABS but the system is not tested during an annual MOT only that the brakes meet the minimum efficiency requirements that were put in place in around 1972. nor are exhaust emissions (so it does not matter if its euro 1,2,3, 4,5,6 standards) or most other things the EU insist make our lives more controlled. Even the ban on LED bulbs for headlights has been rescinded for motorcycles, as long as the beam pattern iaw Gov and MOT guidance.
The United Kingdom never implemented any rules the EU were trying to dictate where vehicles are concerned, as any changes require statutes in law to be changed by the UK government. it was one of the 'you will obey' and the fines the EU were imposing on the UK for not complying that was another nail in the EU coffin.
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Reply #7 on: March 29, 2021, 07:44:59 am
Thank you.
My thoughts exactly.

There is plenty of other Euro compliance stuff that is also not checked, along with a fair bit of 'Construction & Used legislation. Emissions, lights, exhausts, seats etc are often changed in the UK.

The only issue is insurance, but if the insurer is informed  and agrees to underwrite, it isn't a problem. Depends how enlightened they are. The chances of ABS preventing an accident in a bike like the Classic are tiny, given its weak brakes, wheelbase, weight and likely rider profile.


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Reply #8 on: March 29, 2021, 09:24:43 am
Insurance is the issue, but this is minor.
it might mean a slight increase in premiums with a main line insurer, but if insured through a specialist that insure custom builds and modified vehicles it shouldn't be a problem.
Even then the NFU will insure anything..........
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Reply #9 on: March 29, 2021, 02:34:20 pm
From what little I have heard in the U.S., our insurance companies don't bother checking up on a non-injury crashed motorcycle claim. The amount of money involved, compared with modern car crashes, is just not enough to get their attention. They just let a franchised dealership fix the bike and send them the bill, which they pay. They would have no idea what modification were made to the vehicle unless the owner jerked their chain and told them.  If the dealership tells them that the frame is bent or some other damage resulted that "totaled" the bike, they will just send the owner a check and likely have the shop auction off the remains and send them any proceeds. (Although I am not clear about this as I have had friends that had their bikes repaired but not totaled.)

A couple of years ago one of my friends tipped over going around a turn at 25 mph (he said) and his 2013 BMW R1200GS was towed to the local BMW dealer with some broken plastic and a scratched muffler. There it was repaired using official BMW parts for something like $11,000.  :o The dealer sent the insurance company the bill and they paid it without even looking at the bike.  Trusting guys.  ;)
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Reply #10 on: March 29, 2021, 02:52:48 pm
You are right. Crashs with injuries are really expensive. And then the insurer does everything not to pay the 500k  cheque for the hospital.

I really do not know how it is in Britton, but in other parts of the world you nil the registration  of your bike if you make these kind of changes. The ABS is part of the registration.
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Reply #11 on: March 29, 2021, 08:13:33 pm
I can assure you the abs is always checked at MOT they have always checked mine, and tied to on board computer.


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Reply #12 on: March 29, 2021, 08:23:30 pm
I just looked at the new MOT regs you are not allowed to remove or disable the abs on new bikes, l think after 2018.


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Reply #13 on: March 29, 2021, 08:26:33 pm
I can assure you the abs is always checked at MOT they have always checked mine, and tied to on board computer.
Not really.
If ABS is fitted, They check the light functions correctly, and goes out and stays out.
There's no test if the system function, and there's no test at all if it should be fitted or not.

The MOT guide is available online......have a look.  ;)


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Reply #14 on: March 29, 2021, 08:56:58 pm
or just spend time with the MOT tester.
a couple of years ago year I left my Deauville at an mot test station I had not used before it was a 'modern' facility where your not allowed in the workshop, the bike failed due to the rear disc being warped and an exhaust leak. I took it straight to another old fashioned garage (which is now my go to test station for all vehicles) as it turned out the 'warped' disc was the ABS cutting in causing the juddering in effort seen on the test machine, which a modern garage and so called mechanic should be aware of. I proved this by running a DTI on the disc when I got home, the exhaust leak didn't exist, my Bike has an after market belly pan and the tester couldn't be bothered to check it properly.

ABS is not tested on Motorcycles during an MOT unless by accident. Some test stations still use the pulley and friction mechanism instead of rollers, which will in no way test ABS performance.
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