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on: March 07, 2021, 07:34:09 pm
Hi all, I've just a few hundred miles  on my tribute black and was wondering what sort of service costs I can expect in the future,
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Reply #1 on: March 07, 2021, 10:48:20 pm
first off i'd get into the habit of doing the services yourself if thats possible...its pretty easy to do just some oil and filter and chain adjustments. no need for fancy oil either just good old cheap semi synthetic.

i've used the above oil in penrite 10w-50 hpr gas 10 on roughly 15 new UCE bikes and never had an issue. once my bike arrives the very first and most importantant thing to do is toss the bosche plug and replace it with a NGKBP6ES.....and an even better move. keep your bike stock till at least you run the bike in carefully for 1000 miles or close to it.

first oil and filter drop i'd do would be a between 100 and 200 miles and the next at 500 miles and again at 1000 miles.

saying that though these later motors are much cleaner inside than previous years when the guys on the assembly line appeared to wear cotton style gloves which picked up fluff and made its way in or through the internals.

i have a new bullet or B5 in transit now so shortly i will see for myself how well they are in the internals or better still if its assembled any better than my last purchase.


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Reply #2 on: March 08, 2021, 12:53:47 am
What wildbill said.

If you don't have one, it might be smart to buy a 1/4 and a 3/8 drive torque wrenches. The screws and castings on these bikes seem pretty easy to damage. Lots of people have stripped the thread in the oil drain plug hole. It only needs to be nipped up lightly.

My local dealer expected to be paid somewhere around the $300 mark for very little work: oil and filter change and a look around.
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Reply #3 on: March 08, 2021, 01:32:17 am
There is the warranty to take into account. My warranty says it is a prerequisite that the scheduled service work is carried out by the authorized distributors service facility or their authorized dealership's service facility.

My first service is coming up shortly and I will get the dealer to do it just in case I need to make a warranty claim at some time. I can do oil changes and filter changes in between the scheduled service intervals and take over maintenance once the warranty period is over.


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Reply #4 on: March 08, 2021, 01:54:05 am
What WildBill and Gizzo said, except to point out that WB's favored Ozzie brand of Penrite oil can be VERY hard to find without having to dodge wallabies and then run a gauntlet of fetching Koalas with chlamydia in the parking lot. And that if you need to choose between a ⅜" or ¼" torque wrench, as Gizzo recommends, go for the smaller one. Many (though by no means all) of the ⅜" ones, particularly the less expensive brands, don't go right down into those single digit footpounds settings called for with certain Bullet fasteners. But in a pinch even a humble fish scale and some maths will do the job (With 12 inches to a foot, got a 6 inch long combination spanner? Pull it with the scale and double the reading. For a 4 incher "stubby" just treble it to find the FOOTpounds, OK?).

Also, those short "stubby spanners" I mentioned, and maybe a nice little stubby ratchet, are your new special friends, especially for reassembling or tightening, as is a medium threadlocker compound like "Loctite". Their smaller lengths will really help keep you from giving anything too much of a heave-ho and thereby stripping those sometimes fragile threads.

I agree that you shouldn't be intimidated by doing your own servicing. I would only add that for warranty purposes you should keep scrupulous records of your purchases and work. Receipts stapled or pasted into a notebook with dated descriptions with odometer readings of all work done on the bike written onto the facing pages might provide more convincing documentation for later warranty claims than an old sock stuffed full of Tesco receipts, if it came to that. Here in the States we have Federal Laws upholding our rights to splash used multigrade all over the family dog ourselves and not void the vehicle warranty, but yonder in your Sceptered Isle, where I presume you reside, I'm not quite so sure what the warranty rules are. Also, should you ever sell the bike, presenting such tidy records to a prospective buyer could only boost their confidence that the bike had been well cared for and fettled, and that you most likely hadn't just added whatever old chip oil was handy in the kitchen to the crankcase.

Also, if you're new to what we "Colonials" call "wrenching", you may be pleased to learn that the venerable British firm of Haynes has published a service manual for your ride, as found here on Amazon UK: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Enfield-Bullet-Continental-Service-Repair/dp/1785214276, while the equally estimable Pete Snidal's Service Manual for your newer style of Unit Construction Engine (or "UCE") Bullet can be purchased here: http://www.enfield.20m.com/uce1.htm. Both of these guides will have those all-important torque settings.

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Reply #5 on: March 08, 2021, 02:47:00 am
There is the warranty to take into account. My warranty says it is a prerequisite that the scheduled service work is carried out by the authorized distributors service facility or their authorized dealership's service facility.

My first service is coming up shortly and I will get the dealer to do it just in case I need to make a warranty claim at some time. I can do oil changes and filter changes in between the scheduled service intervals and take over maintenance once the warranty period is over.

That all depends on NZ consumer law. That'll be easy enough to find out. The dealers over here (all brands not just Enfield) try the same scam on to force customers back to them. Truth is any workshop with qualified staff can work on your bike in the warranty period. I took my GT to a local Harley workshop (not dealer) for a couple of warranty issues after the dealer f...ed it right up. They have a mechanic there who knows Enfields and even cares about what he's doing. No worries. Just keep reciepts, per Bilgemasters' advice.

Also, welcome to the good old days.
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Reply #6 on: March 08, 2021, 11:58:52 am
Well they will be low you can service most of it your self, mind you if any of the ECU components fail could be costly, also any brake work being abs you will need main dealer code readers to bleed it, l hope it's not like BMW for the sake of your wallet.


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Reply #7 on: March 08, 2021, 02:08:21 pm
I use 3/8" and 1/4" sockets. I use a Craftsman 3/8" torque wrench for the heavier hardware.
  For light torque RE hardware I got a 1/4" torque wrench. It calibrates in inch pounds and deci newton meters.

I have the Haynes manuals. But, you can also download for free, from this forum. That's thanks to Hitchcock's.
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Reply #8 on: March 09, 2021, 07:47:45 am
What brand name of 1/4" torque wrench do you use? I’ve been looking for a good one.


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Reply #9 on: March 09, 2021, 09:54:47 am
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Reply #10 on: March 09, 2021, 12:17:59 pm
I use one of these for the under 20nm stuff and a Norbar for bigger stuff.
Good quality with a test certificate and not silly money.
https://eshop.wurth.co.uk/1-4-inch-torque-wrench-TRQWRNCH-RTCH-1-4IN-4-20NM-/071471%2020.sku/WuerthGroup-Wuerth.cgid/en/GB/GBP/?ReplacementProduct=false&CampaignName=SR001&VisibleSearchTerm=Torque
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Reply #11 on: March 09, 2021, 01:41:22 pm
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Reply #12 on: March 09, 2021, 02:06:34 pm
WURTH!

Its what I said.?
WURTH for under 20nm and I have a Norbar that I use for over 20nm.
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Reply #13 on: March 09, 2021, 07:07:07 pm
I bought one of these
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Bicycle-Bike-Repair-Tools-Kit-Bike-Torque-Wrench-Allen-Key-Tool-Socket-Set-AU/143373374625?hash=item2161b814a1:g:tLIAAOSwL1VfJNyS
It's for bicycles. Works well.

That's a nice kit. Meanwhile, for those of us here in the really cheap, like nosebleed seats, in 'Murica, here's a look at the accuracy and torture test durability of those ultra-cheapo (about $10 Americano) Harbor Freight offerings: https://youtu.be/ivbCFNhm1cc

Executive Summary: Not too shabby accuracy-wise and can take beating.

And here's a never-expiring $5 Off coupon for "Pittsburgh Ratchets" that should get a 1/4 incher out the door today for...(clickity-clack noises)...$14.99, though they quite often go on sale: http://www.hfqpdb.com/view_coupon/17525
So badass my Enfield's actually illegal  in India.

(Legal enough to pass muster if they don't look too closely in Woodbridge, Virginia, where the buses don't run at night, holidays or weekends and I'm a contender for 'Village Idiot')


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Reply #14 on: March 10, 2021, 12:23:57 am
What brand name of 1/4" torque wrench do you use? I’ve been looking for a good one.

Looks like eTORK. etork.com. I believe I bought it on amazon.
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Reply #15 on: March 10, 2021, 08:36:20 am
That's a nice kit. Meanwhile, for those of us here in the really cheap, like nosebleed seats, in 'Murica, here's a look at the accuracy and torture test durability of those ultra-cheapo (about $10 Americano) Harbor Freight offerings: https://youtu.be/ivbCFNhm1cc

Executive Summary: Not too shabby accuracy-wise and can take beating.

And here's a never-expiring $5 Off coupon for "Pittsburgh Ratchets" that should get a 1/4 incher out the door today for...(clickity-clack noises)...$14.99, though they quite often go on sale: http://www.hfqpdb.com/view_coupon/17525

Thanks but I’ve had such bad luck with the cheap Harbor Freight tools in the past that I will never buy any more tools from them ever again.
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Reply #16 on: March 10, 2021, 08:44:16 am
WURTH!

Thanks I’ll give WURTH a go. 
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Reply #17 on: March 10, 2021, 01:54:29 pm
Wurth always gets my attention. They make an incredible group of lube and chemical products, motorcycles and automotive. For BMW motorcycles they are the go to products. I would trust their brand on anything.
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Reply #18 on: March 15, 2021, 11:54:43 pm
Just got my C5 back from its first service and the cost was NZ$234 (about US$165).


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Reply #19 on: March 16, 2021, 12:21:51 am
Watched a video by FortNine about first service oil cleanliness. The oil from several manufacturers was tested at a lab and Royal Enfield had the least particles of the bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GAUo8eUXeU

I'm betting the Royal Enfield was a 650 twin, but at least it shows the factory has really lifted its game with the new models. I asked the mechanic what my strainer and sump plugs looked like and he said, "Not too bad". I guess that's good for a 500.


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Reply #20 on: March 16, 2021, 05:56:40 am
Have had my 500km service done last week at a "free workshop" here in Austria.
I provided the 15W50 oil and an original oil filter.

Service took 2h and they charged me 90€

The mechanics usual work on performance Honda, Aprilia and Suzuki bikes....they were very amused by the fact that they only needed three spanner sizes and did not even have to take the tank off to check the spark plug.


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Reply #21 on: March 16, 2021, 01:54:26 pm
Thanks but I’ve had such bad luck with the cheap Harbor Freight tools in the past that I will never buy any more tools from them ever again.

Really? Any specific ones let you down? 'Cause on the whole I've been pretty happy with their wares. For example, I've got lots of "nicer" tools, but I'll often just grab their 105-Piece 4-Drawer Tool Kit (https://www.harborfreight.com/105-piece-tool-kit-4030.html) for convenience sake instead of pawing through the inventory. I've actually got a few of these stashed here and there. Are its contents the pinnacle of the toolmaker's craft? Nope. But they've been plenty good enough for me and even have a lifetime warranty, not that I've ever needed to avail myself of it. I still stand by my recommendation at https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=25828.0;all that one might make for a good little starter kit. In contrast, their slightly cheaper 130-piece kit is probably best avoided, since its tools CAN be truly dreadful, looking like some of them may have been assembled and finished by volunteers from the Columbia Lighthouse for the Blind. So, your point is not entirely lost on me. "Harbor Fright's" offerings aren't ALL so woeful though.
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So badass my Enfield's actually illegal  in India.

(Legal enough to pass muster if they don't look too closely in Woodbridge, Virginia, where the buses don't run at night, holidays or weekends and I'm a contender for 'Village Idiot')


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Reply #22 on: March 21, 2021, 08:31:39 pm
I usually service my own bikes but I had a small issue I wanted to ask the dealer about. While I was there I asked him what he charged for servicing and I figured £120 was actually pretty good value. They fixed my issue too.
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Reply #23 on: March 21, 2021, 11:09:40 pm
Yep, but do they do what the factory recommend? After my free first service, I went over the bike again and tightened some loose fasteners, adjusted the chain, lubed lever / shaft pivots and topped up the tyre pressures. I then changed the oil and filter again 500 miles later, because the dealer's mechanic looked at me blank when i asked if there was anything in the oil strainer. Then said they no longer need to check it on oil changes. In fairness, it looked clean enough, but it is part of the service. I think they possibly just drained the oil, whacked in a filter and fresh oil. Done.


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Reply #24 on: March 21, 2021, 11:26:46 pm
My strainer was covered in something that resembled cloth fibres when I did my first service. Its been fine with later oil changes. I did a 300, 600 and 1200 mile oil and filters change, and the 1200 was pretty much spot on with no noticeable debris.
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