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on: March 12, 2020, 02:28:28 pm
I have noticed drivers going from one setup to the other , the power to weight ratio seems to be even!
I was thinking a 2018/19 bullet with a cozy or a 2015 or newer Ural
Pro and cons ?
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Chuy

oh no plans on interstate riding or speed records ;D
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Reply #1 on: March 12, 2020, 03:44:16 pm
I have noticed drivers going from one setup to the other , the power to weight ratio seems to be even!
I was thinking a 2018/19 bullet with a cozy or a 2015 or newer Ural
Pro and cons ?
Thanks
Chuy

oh no plans on interstate riding or speed records ;D

I need to know also! I had a 2017 Ural Gear Up for a year. I learned a lot, mostly that people have a lot of opinions about something they know nothing about! I'm thinking of a Cozy for my C5 once I get it all squared away.

The Gear Up is the 2WD model. Know what I found out? 2 wheel drive just means you are further from civilization when you get stuck :o


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Reply #2 on: March 13, 2020, 01:58:56 pm
 I guess all the hack riders are all out riding :)
olhogrider  why did you get rid of your Ural? I read that 2wd is almost never used and its hard to steer when engaged! Thanks for your reply
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Reply #3 on: March 15, 2020, 04:15:26 pm
This may not be entirely relevant, and I could be biased ??? But , part of my final decision was made by a joke I read on advrider forum; "How do you make your Ural dependable? Buy a Triumph!"  ::) ;D

But seriously, Urals do seem pretty good these days... If I were looking for a rig, and cost were not a concern, and other makes were not being considered...I'd be real tempted to try a Ural. They have a lot of accessories and a huge following.

Not keen on current Russian political activities here in the US, and the world (Trump/Putin)   :'( , that was a factor for me when I bought my Triumph rig (instead of a Ural)  :P.  It may or may not bother you...

Heloego had an exceptional Triumph rig for sale a while back. It might still be available... I was lucky to find a pretty nice Triumph Scrambler / DMC rig myself, so that's the way I went.  ;)
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Reply #4 on: March 16, 2020, 03:22:45 pm
I guess all the hack riders are all out riding :)
olhogrider  why did you get rid of your Ural? I read that 2wd is almost never used and its hard to steer when engaged! Thanks for your reply

The Ural was on my "bucket list". I had wanted one for years but the high price and questionable quality had put me off. Once all the ancillary systems had been replaced by quality parts in the new ones I was ready. Bosch electronics, Brembo brakes etc. In a year of riding the only failures were the low fuel light. The bike comes with a Jerry can bolted to it so it was no problem.

If you have ever driven a Jeep with the axles locked, you know how great it can be in the dirt. You also know that locking the differential on pavement, means you are going straight no matter what. The sidecar wheel when engaged is like that. If you're on pavement you are going straight. On dirt you have power to both wheels so you are less likely to get stuck. If (when) you do get stuck you have a shovel to help dig you out.

I learned how to fly the chair. My wife didn't like that part. I wheeled it once. Not a good idea. I learned that you can pivot around the front tire while decelerating but U-turns while accelerating are not pretty. I also learned that a 1950s air cooled twin isn't great at hauling around the weight of two motorcycles. And gas mileage was always in the mid 30s.

 I had purchased a 2010 C5 new and a 2012 a couple of years later. Those were sold because, as much as I enjoyed riding them they weren't really suited for commuting on California freeways. When Royal Enfield announced the twins I had to go see. My dealer said they had never seen one and didn't know if they would ever get one in. Then the offered me a test ride on a Speedmaster 1200. They offered me a decent price on the Ural so I rode home on the Speedmaster. When the 650s finally arrived I made another trip to the dealership. This time I took my Honda 150 scooter. They had one twin, in my least favorite color. Silver. The tank and fenders don't even match! But they gave me a decent trade in on the scooter so I rode home on the INT650. I soon had it painted British Racing Green and yellow in the style of the 1960s Lotus Formula 1 racecars.

After returning to this forum I saw the post by Kevin Mahoney about getting rid of three old, non running Royal Enfields. So I rented a truck, drove to Phoenix and bought them. The original 2009 smog mule C5, a 2012 C5 with various pieces missing and a broken frame and a beautiful Iron Barrel Bullet with a lot of stuff not there. Tim from Western Cycle said he was in the market for a "shop bike" so he now has the 2009 C5. The 2012 now has everything working except the front brake on a donkey cart from India) and still needs the frame welded. But it is close. My stable now has 3 REs and a Triumph.

I hope that answered your question. ;D


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Reply #5 on: March 17, 2020, 02:24:08 pm
Thanks olhogrider for the great story and all the info :)

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Reply #6 on: March 21, 2020, 09:57:50 pm
I've had a 2WD URAL and now have a 2009C5+cozy.  After the RE, the Ural feels like a truck.  For most riding I much prefer the RE.  I think it is also better looking.  Lack of reverse is no problem for the RE because it is lighter.  5 speeds is nice too.  But the Ural was fine at 55 mph, while the RE feels stressed and unsteady at that speed.   The URAL sidecar is much larger and higher which is better for passengers, if you care about that.  Plus there are more URAL dealers and it is a larger community.
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Reply #7 on: March 23, 2020, 03:07:56 pm
Thanks for the info sjbiat
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Reply #8 on: October 08, 2020, 09:52:40 am
I just found your post.  What bike did you decide on? I’ve been riding sidecars for over two decades. Mostly BMWs with EML sidecars on them. I currently own two of them. 
REs I currently own:
2008 AVL Bullet Electra Gray
2010 Bullet G5 Deluxe Black
2017 535 GT Continental Red
2018 Himalayan White
2018 Pegasus Green
2019 650 Continental GT Ice Queen or white
2020 Trials 500 Green and Chrome