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on: November 18, 2019, 11:33:44 pm
As you are probably aware, RE fills the end of the bar with metal so you have somewhere to screw the bar end into. That means that any expanding style bar end mirror isn't going to work. There are others that claim to fit "most bar ends". They won't fit over our aluminum lumps. That put me off of ordering anything online. So off I went to Cyclegear. They had them. $40 for one, $50 for two.  ??? What I did was to use the ring that came with the mirror, plus the stock mounting bolt. The ring is countersunk so it all fits! I now have 180 degrees of rear view. Plus they look better!


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Reply #1 on: November 18, 2019, 11:40:29 pm
A different view


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Reply #2 on: November 19, 2019, 12:23:15 am
Did the same with great success ????


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Reply #3 on: November 19, 2019, 03:37:30 pm
I put these on recently. So much better than the bugeye OEM. I love the wide open unobstructed forward view, and I prefer the bar end rear view anyway.
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Reply #4 on: November 19, 2019, 03:53:20 pm
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Great - I've been looking to do the same since I got my INT 650 a few weeks back. Was waiting for the ones on Tecbikeparts but the USA site never got back to me. Will look at the Cycle Gear ones.

Also, what bags are you running in the back? Are those the Ogio Stealth saddlebags? I have the Ogio tail bag and I like it, and am thinking of adding their saddlebags for a three-bag weekend solution.
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Reply #5 on: November 19, 2019, 04:16:26 pm
A different view

I like the two-tone tank.
On my bar ends mirrors I had to hand-file the part that wants to fit flush against the aluminum handlebar plug because it is beveled to prevent rotation, I assume. I used slightly longer SS bolts and put some blue loctite on the threading. They're not going anywhere.
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Reply #6 on: November 19, 2019, 08:23:16 pm
I like the two-tone tank.
On my bar ends mirrors I had to hand-file the part that wants to fit flush against the aluminum handlebar plug because it is beveled to prevent rotation, I assume. I used slightly longer SS bolts and put some blue loctite on the threading. They're not going anywhere.

I didn't have to file anything and I didn't have any locktite with me. I changed them in the Cyclegrear parking lot in case they didn't work.


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Reply #7 on: November 19, 2019, 10:40:18 pm
Great - I've been looking to do the same since I got my INT 650 a few weeks back. Was waiting for the ones on Tecbikeparts but the USA site never got back to me. Will look at the Cycle Gear ones.

Also, what bags are you running in the back? Are those the Ogio Stealth saddlebags? I have the Ogio tail bag and I like it, and am thinking of adding their saddlebags for a three-bag weekend solution.

The bags are Amazon. $59.99 from JFG Racing.


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Reply #8 on: November 20, 2019, 02:58:38 pm
The bags are Amazon. $59.99 from JFG Racing.

Nice, thanks for the reply. No issues with heat from the exhausts?
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Reply #9 on: November 20, 2019, 05:17:40 pm
Nice, thanks for the reply. No issues with heat from the exhausts?

None at all. There are several inches of clearance.


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Reply #10 on: November 20, 2019, 07:22:55 pm


Sorry for changing the thread, but wanted to refer to this photo.

I see you have installed the Trip Machine leather wrap grips.  I've put these on my cafe racer...they are just great!

I also noticed you used some sort of copper wire to make a retainer to hold the grip from unraveling(I think?)

At first I though you wrapped the leather form center to outboard, but by closer observation, I see you did it from outboard toward center.  The latter, I believe is the preferred way.  From years with racing bicycles, I learned you must always wrap bars from outside to center, or else you will eventually curl up all the edges as you move and slide your hands around the bars.  Probably not so critical on a motorcycle where your hands tend to stay pretty much put in one place.

FYI....couple of finer points FWIW.....to retain the wrap, I got some dark brown, waxed cord, from a crafts store.  I made 5 wraps around the end of the leather to hold it in place.  I did what is called a wipping knot, to hold the cord.  Looks nice.

I also tapered the leather strip at both ends, (at the start of the wrap, and again at the finish) to get it to lie down perfectly flat.  The Trip Machine video, (and Fillingham's too) show the leather wrap just ending, squared off, and using some little tabs of double sided tape to finish the end...it leaves quite a thick lump, looks bad and unfinished, and seems like it could unravel.  By tapering the finish end, and "wipping it) it just blends in smoothly!

I did two of my other bikes using tennis racket handle wrap from a company called Tourna.  This is very similar to Trip Machine's product....100% "real" leather.  If you are careful, you can do two grips with one roll of Tourna...making it quite a bit less expensive than the Trip Machine product. 

I will say however, the Trip product is just slightly superior in quality and "looks".


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Reply #11 on: November 20, 2019, 08:31:14 pm

Sorry for changing the thread, but wanted to refer to this photo.

I see you have installed the Trip Machine leather wrap grips.  I've put these on my cafe racer...they are just great!

I also noticed you used some sort of copper wire to make a retainer to hold the grip from unraveling(I think?)

At first I though you wrapped the leather form center to outboard, but by closer observation, I see you did it from outboard toward center.  The latter, I believe is the preferred way.  From years with racing bicycles, I learned you must always wrap bars from outside to center, or else you will eventually curl up all the edges as you move and slide your hands around the bars.  Probably not so critical on a motorcycle where your hands tend to stay pretty much put in one place.

FYI....couple of finer points FWIW.....to retain the wrap, I got some dark brown, waxed cord, from a crafts store.  I made 5 wraps around the end of the leather to hold it in place.  I did what is called a wipping knot, to hold the cord.  Looks nice.

I also tapered the leather strip at both ends, (at the start of the wrap, and again at the finish) to get it to lie down perfectly flat.  The Trip Machine video, (and Fillingham's too) show the leather wrap just ending, squared off, and using some little tabs of double sided tape to finish the end...it leaves quite a thick lump, looks bad and unfinished, and seems like it could unravel.  By tapering the finish end, and "wipping it) it just blends in smoothly!

I did two of my other bikes using tennis racket handle wrap from a company called Tourna.  This is very similar to Trip Machine's product....100% "real" leather.  If you are careful, you can do two grips with one roll of Tourna...making it quite a bit less expensive than the Trip Machine product. 

I will say however, the Trip product is just slightly superior in quality and "looks".


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The copper wire was the racer trick to hold grips in place. They normally use stainless but I thought the copper looked better. The lumpy non-stick tape from Trip Machine that is supposed to hold the end, simply doesn't stick to leather so I used some superglue. Trip Machine wrote and asked how I liked the wraps. I told them about glue vs tape. They wrote back a bit later and said they now include glue instead of tape for the end. The wire was just going to be until the glue dried but I liked the way it looked so I kept it.


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Reply #12 on: November 20, 2019, 09:19:37 pm
Yes the copper has a nice look to it!

Glue would be a lot better way (than the double tap pieces) to hold down the loose end.   But wrapping with copper, or stainless wire, or waxed cord, does allow the leather to be removed and re positioned if necessary.  I had one grip where I was shy on the overlap and a gap formed.....I just untied the cord, re wrapped paying better attention to a consistent overlap, and re wrapped the cord.




The copper wire was the racer trick to hold grips in place. They normally use stainless but I thought the copper looked better. The lumpy non-stick tape from Trip Machine that is supposed to hold the end, simply doesn't stick to leather so I used some superglue. Trip Machine wrote and asked how I liked the wraps. I told them about glue vs tape. They wrote back a bit later and said they now include glue instead of tape for the end. The wire was just going to be until the glue dried but I liked the way it looked so I kept it.


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Reply #13 on: November 20, 2019, 09:23:06 pm
Yes the copper has a nice look to it!

Glue would be a lot better way (than the double tap pieces) to hold down the loose end.   But wrapping with copper, or stainless wire, or waxed cord, does allow the leather to be removed and re positioned if necessary.  I had one grip where I was shy on the overlap and a gap formed.....I just untied the cord, re wrapped paying better attention to a consistent overlap, and re wrapped the cord.

I have the same grips but in black. I used black electrical tape around the inner end of the grip, which is invisible over the black leather. Works great.
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Reply #14 on: November 20, 2019, 11:44:19 pm
A plug for the mirror hole. Took some superglue to hold it.


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Reply #15 on: November 21, 2019, 12:49:27 am
Sure!  On bicycles and tennis rackets we always just use electrical tape to finish and hold the end of the wrapping.  You can get all colors including a brown shade.  Or your team colors!


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I have the same grips but in black. I used black electrical tape around the inner end of the grip, which is invisible over the black leather. Works great.


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Reply #16 on: November 21, 2019, 12:52:04 am
My local hardware store has a good selection of black, nylon plugs and caps.  I've found ones that fit perfectly in the mirror holes on my bikes which have bar end mirrors.


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A plug for the mirror hole. Took some superglue to hold it.


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Reply #17 on: November 21, 2019, 11:48:17 am
My local hardware store has a good selection of black, nylon plugs and caps.  I've found ones that fit perfectly in the mirror holes on my bikes which have bar end mirrors.

Olhogrider - I know you've probably seen this already, but for others...

Napa part #6652391. Black plastic, press-fit. $6 for 18 of them - no superglue needed...

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_6652391



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Reply #18 on: November 21, 2019, 03:36:23 pm
So off I went to Cyclegear. They had them. $40 for one, $50 for two.

Forgot to ask: which specific ones did you get at CycleGear? I'm looking at their webpage now and can't match up anything on that page that looks like what you got. I won't be able to get to our store until Saturday, and I'd like to have an idea of what I'm looking for when I get there.

Options that look close:

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Reply #19 on: November 21, 2019, 04:54:33 pm
Olhogrider-I'm about to order some similar, as the "Mickey Mouse" ears just have to go.  Those you have look good!  Where did you have that tank done?  That looks cool as hell.


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Reply #20 on: November 21, 2019, 09:03:57 pm
Forgot to ask: which specific ones did you get at CycleGear? I'm looking at their webpage now and can't match up anything on that page that looks like what you got. I won't be able to get to our store until Saturday, and I'd like to have an idea of what I'm looking for when I get there.

Options that look close:

https://www.cyclegear.com/gear/speedmetal-billet-bar-end-mirrors


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Reply #21 on: November 21, 2019, 09:05:35 pm
Olhogrider - I know you've probably seen this already, but for others...

Napa part #6652391. Black plastic, press-fit. $6 for 18 of them - no superglue needed...

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_6652391



That's what I wanted! I should have asked here first ::)


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Reply #22 on: November 21, 2019, 11:01:35 pm
That's what I wanted! I should have asked here first ::)

 :D

Always check here first... either by asking, or searching the archives.  I learned about those plugs here on this forum -  seven years ago...


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Reply #23 on: November 21, 2019, 11:16:43 pm
https://www.cyclegear.com/gear/speedmetal-billet-bar-end-mirrors

Outstanding. Thanks! Placed on reserve at our local Cycle Gear and will pick up tomorrow or Saturday.

No issues with vibration at speed, like some of the reviews mention?
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Reply #24 on: November 23, 2019, 03:27:59 pm
Picked up from CycleGear and added mine last night. Easy install; didn't file down the raised edge on the exposed inner end after the end cap came off so a bit tilted on the bar end itself, but only like 5 degrees and doesn't affect anything. Bigger issue is one mirror is still pretty loose no matter how much I tighten. I think I have it tight enough but first ride will tell the tale. Pics soon.
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Reply #25 on: November 23, 2019, 04:40:33 pm
No issues with vibration at speed, like some of the reviews mention?

My bike is remarkably smooth at all speeds. I mean there is hardly any felt vibration on my grips through the handlebars, and I can't see any evidence of buzz visually on the mirrors, either. Very pleased!
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Reply #26 on: November 23, 2019, 06:12:12 pm
Still making up my mind on these. Seem a bit wide. Was thinking they would go up more than they do, but rather they go out first and then up. I know why - to eliminate blind spots. But the bike now seems a lot wider than it was before.

Of course, I could reverse them, and make the mirrors go inboard instead of outboard.... ???
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Reply #27 on: November 23, 2019, 07:57:07 pm
Picked up from CycleGear and added mine last night. Easy install; didn't file down the raised edge on the exposed inner end after the end cap came off so a bit tilted on the bar end itself, but only like 5 degrees and doesn't affect anything. Bigger issue is one mirror is still pretty loose no matter how much I tighten. I think I have it tight enough but first ride will tell the tale. Pics soon.

There is a trick. Loosen the Allen bolt farthest from the mirror, then tighten the one closest to the mirror until the mirror is as tight as you like. Then go back and retighten the other bolt.


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Reply #28 on: November 23, 2019, 11:03:15 pm
There is a trick. Loosen the Allen bolt farthest from the mirror, then tighten the one closest to the mirror until the mirror is as tight as you like. Then go back and retighten the other bolt.

Thanks - think I might have discovered this on my own, as I did get it tighter this morning. But not yet ridden to confirm it's as tight as I want.

Any issues with the width? The bike's a full foot wider than it used to be now. I don't plan on lane-splitting so that's not an issue, but just wanted your impression.
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Reply #29 on: November 24, 2019, 02:10:34 am
Yes, this style of bar end mirror sticks way out, making the whole bike really wide.

I have this type on my Cafe Racer, but only one mirror, so it is wide only on one side, but a real pain trying to fit it into my garage, the mirror gets in the way and gets bumped.

On another bike I got the kind of bar end mirrors that stick up rather than out.  Down side is my arm and elbow is a bit in the picture.

Another option is fold-able bar end mirrors, which you fold flat against the bike for parking in a tight spot, and they unfold to the original correct position.  "lane spliters" it think they are called

FWIW....I seem to see the exact same mirrors, sold under many different brand names, for wildly varying prices.  Probably all made in the same factory in China.

I think my stand up type bar end mirrors cost only $16 for the pair!  I would say "good Chinese quality"

The mirrors I lust after...I forgot the brand name....but they are not glass...they are curved and polished aluminum...special coating...they a super thin and super light...but over $100 a pair (so above my cheap ass budget)


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Still making up my mind on these. Seem a bit wide. Was thinking they would go up more than they do, but rather they go out first and then up. I know why - to eliminate blind spots. But the bike now seems a lot wider than it was before.

Of course, I could reverse them, and make the mirrors go inboard instead of outboard.... ???




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Reply #31 on: November 24, 2019, 03:50:29 pm
I put the bunny ears back on. I couldn't stand how wide these mirrors were. I want bar end mirrors that go up, not out.

Kind of a pain to get those plugs out of the OEM mirror holes also! Had to drill them out - good grips!
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Reply #33 on: November 24, 2019, 07:43:09 pm
Thanks - think I might have discovered this on my own, as I did get it tighter this morning. But not yet ridden to confirm it's as tight as I want.

Any issues with the width? The bike's a full foot wider than it used to be now. I don't plan on lane-splitting so that's not an issue, but just wanted your impression.

Can't split lanes here so that's not an issue. These don't stick out much, maybe 4" beyond the handlebar. I did have a set on a Triumph that the stalk was spring loaded to stop in a few different positions. You could fold them in when clearance was needed and pop them back without messing up the adjustment. 


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Reply #34 on: November 26, 2019, 12:09:39 am
Got new mirrors, more the style I wanted. Best part - no need to take the lumps off the bar ends, no modification of any kind required! What I did was take the bar ends off, insert into the mirror mount, and use a rubber mallet and a muffled punch to push the lump to the inner end of the clamp. Then matched up with the offset on the bar end, and tightened down. Worked perfectly and seems plenty secure. Road test coming up soon.
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Reply #35 on: November 27, 2019, 02:50:10 am
For my taste, these look really nice on a 650 INT.   I think I got the same ones...put on my Honda Super Cup.  Gives the bike a lower in front look.

Are they tinted blue?  Mine are.  Can't decide if I like that, or if it make the view too dark.  Only paid I think $12 or $16 for the set...so I may look for a set in clear glass.


Only issue is that they still get a good portion of my arm in the view.

Those fancy, all aluminum ones I lust after are $117    each!!!!!!!!!!!!


On my Cafe racer..I have the bar end mirror which sticks out and down....gives a good full view, but makes the handle bar plus mirror too wide IMHO.


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Got new mirrors, more the style I wanted. Best part - no need to take the lumps off the bar ends, no modification of any kind required! What I did was take the bar ends off, insert into the mirror mount, and use a rubber mallet and a muffled punch to push the lump to the inner end of the clamp. Then matched up with the offset on the bar end, and tightened down. Worked perfectly and seems plenty secure. Road test coming up soon.


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Reply #36 on: November 27, 2019, 06:08:02 pm
I had the bar end from Cycle Gear that was in an earlier post in this thread, but took it off because I didn't like how wide it made the bike. Totally agree on that point. These are tinted blue, yes, supposedly for anti-glare. But we have a lot of bright sun here in Texas so I think they'll be fine even if they darken the view a bit. I think I have them so my arm is not too much in the view, but we'll see.

And yes, the expensive non-glass polished aluminum ones are lust-worthy. Just don't know if I can justify the cost for this particular bike, but if I come into money, watch out :)
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Reply #37 on: December 01, 2019, 11:37:37 pm
Many years ago I had bar end mirrors that I could flip out of the way for tight parking or lane splitting, but then pop them back without the need to adjust them. I was just perusing some old posts and found them. I think it was a brand name but others are selling the same thing. Napoleon bar end mirrors.


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Reply #38 on: December 02, 2019, 01:32:20 am
Many years ago I had bar end mirrors that I could flip out of the way for tight parking or lane splitting, but then pop them back without the need to adjust them. I was just perusing some old posts and found them. I think it was a brand name but others are selling the same thing. Napoleon bar end mirrors.

My daughter has those on her R65LS and they do work well.  That folding back feature is very handy - especially when parking in a tight spot and when splitting lanes of traffic.
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