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General Discussion => Campfire Talk => Topic started by: TWinOKC on July 24, 2013, 03:11:47 pm
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New Ducati (sort of) scrambler
450cc single
43hp @ the wheel
$16,000 ouch!
http://www.borile.it/cs/CycleNews.pdf
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I'm glad to see any motorcycle company make something without ninja plastic shields.
For the money Ducati is asking , I would much rather wait for a beautiful Mcdeeb RE, if you can still get one at all.
http://www.pipeburn.com/home/2011/2/13/mcdeeb-six-day-scrambler.html
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The Borile is interesting looking, but I, too, would prefer the McDeeb. Definitely looks like a '50s Scrambler
Bare
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According to the magazines and web, Ducati has recently trademarked the name "Ducati Scrambler," and are supposedly at work on a new machine. There are renders of a concept that an unrelated artist created that the magazines and blogs are using but it's in no way official.
It would be amazing if it resembled this Borile Scrambler, but I would wager it will not. And it would be an L-twin, not a single, for sure.
That Borile is a real beauty.
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Lovely bike, no question. But the price - mama mia!
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There is another V-Twin version
Up side down forks with gaiters. Hmmm
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It's a nice bike, but for $16K I'd rather buy a Hyabusa for $3K less. Or for about the same price buy a real nice Aprilla SXV 550 Supermoto.
Scottie
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Well, it took nine years, but that thumper may finally be in the pipeline...
https://www.motorcycle.com/new-model-preview/is-ducati-preparing-a-659cc-single.html
Is Ducati Preparing A 659cc Single? : September 28, 2022
There may be at least one surprise in store, however, as we’ve found evidence suggesting Ducati will introduce an entirely new engine: a liquid-cooled 659cc four-valve Single.
The proof comes to us via a new vehicle identification number (VIN) decoder Ducati recently submitted to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Most of the other new engines match what we expect: a 1000cc V-Four for the Panigale V4 R, an 803cc air-cooled engine for the next-generation Scrambler, and two versions of the 1158cc V-Four destined for the Multistrada V4 Enduro and the Diavel V4.
The one engine that sticks out is a new liquid-cooled 659cc four-valve Single. But what could it possibly be for?
When we think of Ducati Singles, the first thing that naturally comes to mind is the legendary Supermono, which we’ve recently discussed on MO last month in an excerpt of Ian Falloon’s The Art of the Ducati, and a couple weeks ago in an Ask MO column. The Supermono famously employed one engine cylinder with a dummy connecting rod to counter the vibrations of a single moving piston. The Supermono, however, was built for “Sound of Singles” racing, but there currently isn’t a similar class that calls for a 650-ish Single.
Of course, Ducati also built singles long before the Supermono, and even long before the 90-degree V-Twins that defined much of the brand. Ducati’s original Scramblers of the ’60s and early ’70s were Singles, so perhaps the 659cc engine is for a new entry-level Scrambler.
The 2023 VIN decoder suggests the 803cc Scramblers are getting an updated engine, with a new eight-disc hydraulic clutch. But there doesn’t seem to be a similar replacement for the 399cc Scrambler Sixty2 that previously served as the beginner model.
However, all of Ducati’s modern Scramblers are air-cooled, including the redesigned engine, and the VIN decoder describes the new Single as being liquid-cooled. Unless Ducati had a philosophical change about the Scrambler, the new Single is likely destined for something else completely.
Looking at Ducati’s World Première schedule, the remaining episodes are titled “This is Racing”, “Pushing Forward”, “Dare to be Bold”, and “Next Gen Freedom”. The Racing episode will likely be for the Panigale V4 R, and Ducati has already hinted “Next Gen Freedom” episode will be for the new Scramblers. A Diavel V4 could fit either of the other two descriptions, leaving the other for something else, perhaps with the new Single-cylinder engine.
We’ll find out for certain in a few weeks.
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This reminds me of the ill fated Buell Blast that earned the nickname B Last. They lopped one cylinder off their V twin to create it but seeing as it's a Duck it will probably have a bit more get up and go than the B Last had. Come to think of it Vincent did the same with their Comet.
The Ducati that interests me most these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBu5BwWu5q8
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I would be happy with one of J.A. Prestwich's singles.
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This reminds me of the ill fated Buell Blast that earned the nickname B Last. They lopped one cylinder off their V twin to create it but seeing as it's a Duck it will probably have a bit more get up and go than the B Last had. Come to think of it Vincent did the same with their Comet.
The Ducati that interests me most these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBu5BwWu5q8
The Blast might have had the same issue as the 535 GT, it looked way faster than it actually was. What was it 34ish hp on the crank?
It's a myth that customers don't care about the hp/$ ratio although it's not the only thing.
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The Blast might have had the same issue as the 535 GT, it looked way faster than it actually was. What was it 34ish hp on the crank?
It's a myth that customers don't care about the hp/$ ratio although it's not the only thing.
I have a friend who owns two H-D Blasts - along with 22 other motorcycles. One of them was in bad shape when he bought it and he spent a couple of weeks of labor and buying parts to repair its engine. I rode it once and didn't like it nearly as much as I like riding my Bullet. He rode my RE at the same time and said that he preferred to ride the Blast. ??? Go figure.
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I have a friend who owns two H-D Blasts - along with 22 other motorcycles. One of them was in bad shape when he bought it and he spent a couple of weeks of labor and buying parts to repair its engine. I rode it once and didn't like it nearly as much as I like riding my Bullet. He rode my RE at the same time and said that he preferred to ride the Blast. ??? Go figure.
Years ago, I dated a lass who rode a KR1S, I had the RG250. We swapped one evening and hated each other's bikes.
The only single cylinder motors I'd accept now would be SLR or KLR - 20bhp is less than my 1990 RG125 and is useless at moving 200kg of bike (the 125 weighed half that! :o )
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https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2022/september/ducati-single-cylinder-650-engine
https://www.carandbike.com/news/ducati-working-on-a-new-motorcycle-with-a-single-cylinder-engine-3202767
https://www.rideapart.com/news/613402/ducati-new-single-cylinder-engine/
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/pierre-terblanche-ducati-supermono-barber-design-center/
Pierre Terblanche Is Working on a New Ducati Supermono
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/pierre-terblanche-video-ducati-supermono-brian-case-barber/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgEOeogf_cs
When it comes to iconic motorcycles, the Ducati Supermono ranks high on the list. Only a handful of these unique single-cylinder machine exist, and they fetch a pretty penny when they come on the market.
The man behind the machine is equally renowned, as Pierre Terblanche has been responsible for designing and creating no shortage of highly coveted and unique motorcycles, the most famous of which came during his time at Ducati (the Hypermotard, Multistrada, MH900E, 999 Superbike, and of course the Supermono).
Sitting down with Brian Case, a well-known motorcycle designer in his own right, and one of the founding partners of Motus Motorcycles, we get today’s video interview.
Set in the Barber Vintage Motorsports Museum in Alabama, the pair talk about the story of how the Ducati Supermono came to be, with a fascinating insight into the story of this bike and Terblanche’s work on it.
After a brief look at the history, Terblanche talks extensively about how the Supermono was designed, using the tools of the time, and going through the various technical challenges that presented themselves along the way.
The end product is a 550cc thumper, with a dummy numb of a second cylinder (Terblanche explains this in the video), that produced 57hp from the 300 lbs motorcycle.
If you are a student to motorcycle history, you owe it to yourself to watch what these two gentlemen have to say. It’s worth the 45 minutes of your time.
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The old 450 Desmo's were good for anywhere between 25 and 36 HP depending on the model.
(https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/moto_gallery/DUCATI-450-Desmo-11514_1.jpg)
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This reminds me of the ill fated Buell Blast that earned the nickname B Last. They lopped one cylinder off their V twin to create it but seeing as it's a Duck it will probably have a bit more get up and go than the B Last had. Come to think of it Vincent did the same with their Comet.
The Ducati that interests me most these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBu5BwWu5q8
B Last ;D ;D ;D I have one. I rode it around the block once before I started taking it apart :o It's in pieces but some day I'll get back to it.
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B Last ;D ;D ;D I have one. I rode it around the block once before I started taking it apart :o It's in pieces but some day I'll get back to it.
Hold onto it, it's sure to be collectable somewhere down the road. :)
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The old 450 Desmo's were good for anywhere between 25 and 36 HP depending on the model.
(https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/moto_gallery/DUCATI-450-Desmo-11514_1.jpg)
Mmm, that's a proper motorbike.