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Title: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on June 28, 2020, 02:04:17 pm: I noticed some wobble in my rear tire while riding my bullet. I saw that the notches on the left and right of the rear tire adjuster cam are not aligned. So i decided to adjust it. I am a novice and this is my first time trying to remove a motorcycle tire. I couldn't get it off using the wrench in the tool kit. So i used my Bauer 20v impact wrench to loosen the castle nut and spindle nut.

Once adjusted i tightened them back up. I tightened it real good for the fear of the tire coming off loose while riding..:) However i feel i might have tightened it too much as i see some wear on the threads. I rode the bike and everything is good. I appreciate if anyone can suggest the following.

a) Is it okay to use the impact wrench on the motorcycles? Is there a manufactured recommended torque on this motorcycle?

b) I am not sure how anyone could use wrench in the tool kit to remove the tire without some effort. Is there a better wrench/ torque wrench you use that is easy enough to carry with the bike in case you have to remove the tire. 30# & 24# sockets

b) I checked the chain play and its not too tight or too loose. Chain play is about 3 fingers from the center of the swing arm. However when i rotate the tire, i hear a slight rubbing/friction when the chain runs over the front sprocket, but no such friction noise can be heard from the rear sprocket end. Have you experienced the same thing? Is this usual? Or can anything be done on the rear sprocket side to adjust this?
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: Haggis on June 28, 2020, 02:30:58 pm: Rear wheel spindle 24mm nut is 70nm. Do not use an impact wrench. If you have drum rear brakes you have two spindles. Short spindle with 30mm nut holds the brake drum/sprocket in place. Brake backplate secured with 19mm nut. Long spindle hold your wheel in place with two spacers and a 24mm self locking nut.
Wheel alignment snail cam adjusters are very rarely accurate. I have three notches difference between left and right when the wheels are in line. To adjust the chain tension you would have to loosen the 24mm, the 30mm and the 19mm to be able to move the wheel backwards or forwards.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: Ove on June 28, 2020, 04:23:24 pm: I have a solid (no ratchet) socket wrench I use to loosen the nuts. It's extending, slides out to 18". So can be carried in a tool roll.

Mine is a rear disc brake model. It has a hole for a bar to go through the bolt head on the LHS. On the other side are 2 nuts, the main is 30mm, 24mm will do the 2nd lock nut, but there's a bit of slack, so I use a 15/16ths, which fits fine. I don't have a 23mm to check if that would work.

I tighten with a torque wrench.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on June 28, 2020, 04:46:43 pm: Is there any harm if you tighten with torque wrench 3 to 4 rounds compared to the socket wrench if you could do only 1 round?
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: Ove on June 28, 2020, 05:35:53 pm: Don't know. I set the torque wrench to the correct setting and it clicks to tell you when to stop tightening ;D
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on June 28, 2020, 11:55:26 pm: I am getting me a torque wrench with adjustable torque setting. What torque is the manufacturer recommended for 24mm nut and 30 mm nut?

Thanks. I appreciate your response.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: Bilgemaster on June 29, 2020, 01:18:09 am: Quote from: USBullet500 on June 28, 2020, 11:55:26 pm
I am getting me a torque wrench with adjustable torque setting. What torque is the manufacturer recommended for 24mm nut and 30 mm nut?

Thanks. I appreciate your response.

It's not my model of Bullet. I've got an old "Iron Belly", but according to that earlier posting by our esteemed "Haggis", you should be looking at 70nm (Newton-meters) of torque down there, or roughly 50 foot-pounds American, which sounds about right to me. While you might be OK removing those nuts with an impact wrench, I doubt you'd do them any favors putting them on with one.

A semi-decent tool for that job at home might be one of these reasonably hefty Harbor Freight 3/8" Drive Torque Wrenches, which should run you only about $16 with a 20% Off coupon: https://www.harborfreight.com/38-in-drive-click-type-torque-wrench-63880.html . It's long and stout enough to get you pretty decent leverage. If you need something a little less hefty for travel that might also double as a regular dual-duty 1/4" and 3/8" ratchet, you might like their "1/4 in. x 3/8 in. Dual Drive Extendable Ratchet" for just about 11 bucks with coupon, as seen at: https://www.harborfreight.com/14-in-x-38-in-dual-drive-extendable-ratchet-62312.html . It's not a torque wrench, sure, but it'll do the trick on the road for wheels and much more. It extends to four settings from 9½ up to 13½ inches. Please disregard the flyer image on the Harbor Freight website of their "Flex Head Ratchet". While not a bad tool, its image with description was clearly placed there in error.

For coupons, freebies, and more, check out the good folks at the 'Harbor Freight Tools Coupon Database' at https://www.hfqpdb.com/
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on June 29, 2020, 04:39:40 am: Thank you very much for your response. I appreciate it. I was also thinking on those lines and going to get a 1/2" drive click type torque wrench. The only reason being that i have a 1/2" Bauer 20V impact wrench and i have the metric sockets for that wrench. If assume i can use the sockets from the impact wrench for the torque wrench. In that way i don't have to buy additional sockets.

Is it okay to apply 70nm torque on both 24mm nut and 30 mm nuts? Or does the short spindle 30mm nut needs a different setting?
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Post by: kdxandrew on June 29, 2020, 08:21:31 am: Here's a handy torque value chart
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: Ove on June 29, 2020, 08:50:49 am: Quote from: USBullet500 on June 29, 2020, 04:39:40 am

....Is it okay to apply 70nm torque on both 24mm nut and 30 mm nuts? Or does the short spindle 30mm nut needs a different setting?

Yes 70nm is near enough for both and easy to remember. I think the bigger inner nut is slightly under and the outer slightly over. I doubt they get it to spec every time at the factory!
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on June 29, 2020, 02:49:17 pm: Thank you.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: Bilgemaster on June 29, 2020, 05:24:33 pm: One reason to get Harbor Freight's 3/8" drive "Pittsburgh" brand torque wrench instead of their 1/2" one is that the 3/8" goes down to 5 foot-pounds while their 1/2" minimum is 30. I don't know about a UCE engine, but I believe some fasteners on my old "Iron Belly", such on the head, take as little as 4 pounds ideally. They may get away with 5, but a heave-ho of 30 would almost surely strip them.

If you're at Harbor Freight anyhow, grab a couple of bottles of their Medium Threadlock No. 42: https://www.harborfreight.com/threadlocker-no-42-10-ml-medium-strength-65192.html . With a droplet applied to most every bolt, nut or screw you henceforth so much as look at, I guarantee you'll be happier.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: Ove on June 29, 2020, 07:47:21 pm: Good tip on the torque wrench. On a previous bike the specs were in imperial. Set the torque wrench up to the right value in ft/lbs and ready to go, thought I'd double check. It was in/lbs! My wrench didn't go that low. Had to buy another one.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on June 29, 2020, 10:29:34 pm: Thats a good point Bilgemaster. However i am facing the issue of having to buy extra sockets. I have the Bauer 20V cordless 1/2" impact wrench for which i already purchased a 13pc metric socket set that covers 30mm, 24mm and also a 19mm(for oil change).

Since i am going to Harbor Freight i plan on getting the two other sockets for oil change (12mm & 8mm) sockets for the oil change. Also i cannot use the Drive wrench which is 18" long to do my oil change .So i am planning on getting https://www.harborfreight.com/16-Pc-12-in-Drive-Metric-Socket-Set-63458.html This has a 12" ratchet and a 5" extender that i can easily get under.

But the above 16 pc set does not have 8mm socket. So i plan on getting for $5.99 https://www.harborfreight.com/38-in-14-in-Drive-SAE-Metric-Socket-Set-40-Pc-62843.html

This is my first time i am gonna do oil change. The 16 PC 1/2" ratchet set has everything i need. Although i cannot set the ft lbs on that. Is there a better option you see which would cover my requirements?
The second option i have is:
Get the 3/8" drive and buy the 24mm and 30mm socket instead from home depot or elsewhere? Then get a 20pc set https://www.harborfreight.com/20-pc-38-in-drive-metric-socket-set-63463.html and also the
https://www.harborfreight.com/38-in-14-in-Drive-SAE-Metric-Socket-Set-40-Pc-62843.html for a 8mm socket?
The second option requires me buying additional sockets from home depot as harbor freight does not sell individual sockets.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: Ove on June 29, 2020, 10:53:01 pm: For the oil drain bolts, I use an ordinary open 4 sided spanners. If you want to use a socket with a torque wrench, if possible I'd use six sided sockets, for a more even purchase on the bolt head. Bit better than the multi sided ones, as the bolt heads are made of softish metal and over time could get a bit chewed up. Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on June 29, 2020, 11:15:04 pm: Thanks for suggestion.
I see a drop of oil leak from the 19mm nut. I suspect its either not tightened well or the washer might be bad. I don't have a dealer close by. Where can we get the copper washer for the 19mm nut? Does local stores in USA sell those?

The manual suggests 15W 50 API SL Grade, Jaso MA semi synthetic oil. Any recommendation on brands?
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: Bilgemaster on June 30, 2020, 12:11:02 am: Quote from: USBullet500 on June 29, 2020, 11:15:04 pm
Thanks for suggestion.
I see a drop of oil leak from the 19mm nut. I suspect its either not tightened well or the washer might be bad. I don't have a dealer close by. Where can we get the copper washer for the 19mm nut? Does local stores in USA sell those?

The manual suggests 15W 50 API SL Grade, Jaso MA semi synthetic oil. Any recommendation on brands?

Most any decent hardware store should be able to fix you up with a new copper washer to suit. Sure, the immigrants with no vowels in their names or the pimply zygotes with their fresh GEDs "manning" the aisles in the huge home improvement joints might just shrug or cock their heads like confused mutts, but go find that old guy in the local family-run hardware store with a polo shirt embroidered with some single-syllable salt-of-the-earth moniker like "Earl" or "Jake", and he can fix you up. In the meantime, you can do the old bodge of "annealing" or heating up the old copper washer to restore its "crushiness" with a blow torch, or just lob it onto a stovetop burner until it kinda glows. Dress it up a little with some light sandpaper if it's scored, and it'll work good as new.

If you're gonna be in the Harbor Freight anyhow, why not check out their little 105-piece 4-drawer toolkit. Unlike their slightly cheaper 130-piece kit, which is full of true garbage, I've recommended the 105-piece several times here as an at least semi-decent starter kit that's also just super-handy. It has maybe 90% of everything you'd need to keep a Bullet well-fettled. I've got a few stowed here and there. They often go on sale for 30-something bucks. See: https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=25828.0

As for motor oil, there's already no shortage of dreaded "Motor Oil Threads" in the Forum Archives. My Iron Barrel seems to adore a cocktail of Mobil1 15W-50 full synthetic from Wallyworld for about 22 bucks for a 5 quart jug along with a dash of some goop called Lucas TB-Zinc to keep her flat tappets happiest, but what your model Bullet may like may well vary. I'd suggest rummaging through the Archives of your model's section for best guidance.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on June 30, 2020, 12:23:57 am: Did you see my earlier post on 3/8" drive or 1/2" drive. Which is the best deal at Harbor Freight to get the sockets set that include 30mm, 24mm, 19mm, 12mm and 8mm?
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: Bilgemaster on June 30, 2020, 12:39:23 am: Quote from: USBullet500 on June 30, 2020, 12:23:57 am
Did you see my earlier post on 3/8" drive or 1/2" drive. Which is the best deal at Harbor Freight to get the sockets set that include 30mm, 24mm, 19mm, 12mm and 8mm?

I believe you'd be looking at two different sets to get all the ones you mentioned. I picked up my larger 30mm and 24mm ones as part of one of their "Open Box" specials of a black impact driver grade set that was lacking one socket I didn't need anyhow.
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Post by: heloego on June 30, 2020, 02:42:22 am: Bilgeman,
Every time I go into one of the "Big Box" hardware emporiums, it doesn't matter who you ask a question.
They ALL say "Aisle 17."
Assholes. >:(

After a few episodes of that kind of lip service I've become quite content to just wander around to my heart's content.

I'm retired. I'm ALLOWED to wander. ;D
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Post by: Bilgemaster on June 30, 2020, 05:09:10 am: (https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FavorableBothJaguar-size_restricted.gif)
"Cleanup on Aisle 17..."
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Post by: gizzo on June 30, 2020, 05:45:35 am: You know you can buy adapters to go from 3/8 to 1/2, or 1/2 to 3/8? Sounds like a new socket set isn't going to break the bank but if you didn't want to buy a new set...
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Post by: Bilgemaster on June 30, 2020, 07:08:01 am: Quote from: gizzo on June 30, 2020, 05:45:35 am
You know you can buy adapters to go from 3/8 to 1/2, or 1/2 to 3/8? Sounds like a new socket set isn't going to break the bank but if you didn't want to buy a new set...

Indeed: https://www.harborfreight.com/High-Visibility-Socket-Adapter-Set-4-Pc-62851.html

(https://shop.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/6/2/62851_zzz_500.jpg)

And they often go on sale for just $2.99, usually with a coupon that one can find at https://www.hfqpdb.com .

The trick to keeping them handy once out of their little pouch and rattling around in a tool box is to just clip them all together, like a puzzle for dimwits. Keeps me busy for hours...

(https://sporeflections.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/neabtyh_alice.jpg)
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on July 01, 2020, 09:00:16 pm: I bought all the tools from Harbor Freight and tried doing it the right way by applying right amount of foot pounds. I had a hard time adjusting the right and left cam adjustor to stay at the same place. As i applied the threadlocker and it already dried, it is hard to take off the lock nut and spindle nut. They hardly spin. I tried switching back to the impact wrench, to make matters worst the threads on the lock nut wore off and the socket kept spinning doing nothing. I will try again to take off the lock nut with wrench, if not i will have to take it to the mechanic.
Since the threads wore off on the lock and spindle nut, i think it would be better if i get new nuts. Does the local shops carry those nuts(30mm & 24mm)? Or do i need to buy them from Royal enfield dealer?
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Post by: Ove on July 01, 2020, 11:16:04 pm: I wouldn't use threadlock. That's what the lock nut is for.

I think you mean you damaged the flats on the outside of the nut, so the impact wrench socket no longer grips it? If so, this time I suggest you take it to a mechanic or the dealer, for them to remove the two nuts, they can also use a die to strip the threadlock off the spindle bolt, i suggest you get them to do this, to avoid damaging the threads in future and they can replace the 2 nuts. Chalk it up to experience and start afresh next time.

I wouldn't soldier on with your impact wrench, if I were you. Call me old fashioned, but I don't own an impact wrench. If I did, I think I would avoid using it on an Enfield. Too sudden and powerful, not enough 'feel'. Happy to be corrected.
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Post by: USBullet500 on July 02, 2020, 12:28:18 am: Thanks for the response. I figured out the problem. The nuts were fine. I forgot to insert the screw driver on the other side while tightening the spindle nut. Its been a long day..:) As a result the nuts kept spinning...:) and i thought the threads were damaged. Anyways here is the issue and it seems resolved for now.

The right and the left adjusters on the rear wheel do not sit in place while tightening the spindle nut. As soon as i tighten the spindle nut, it rotates along with it making it almost impossible to keep it in place. I finally used screw driver and some help on the other side to get both of them in place to the right number. I am not sure if its supposed to move like that. The only reason i think is i used impact wrench earlier. I learnt later not to use impact wrenches. So i went to harbor freight and got socket wrenches. But it seems the damage is already done. I see a bit of round spindle nut mark on the right adjuster cam. It took the impact of getting tightening too much with the impact wrench. As a result when i try to tighten the spindle nut even with a socket wrench, it rotates with it. For now i got them in place.And tightened using socket wrench to the exact foot pounds as in specifications. But down the road i plan no changing both the adjusters including the spindle and lock nut and start fresh. A lesson learnt.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: gizzo on July 02, 2020, 02:09:02 am: A tip to keep those pesky chain adjusters in place while you tighten the axle nut : place a screwdriver between the lower chain run and the sprocket. Turn the wheel backwards so the screwdriver gets sucked into the sprocket. The complete hub will be pulled forward, tight up against the adjusters and they won't move while you do the nut up.

You ought to do this when you do a chain adjustment, too.

HTH.
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Post by: heloego on July 02, 2020, 11:09:06 pm: Impact wrenches and bikes do NOT work and play well together.
Save the impact wrench for the lug nuts/bolts on your car or truck.
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Post by: suitcasejefferson on July 04, 2020, 02:51:02 am: I would never use an impact wrench on an Enfield. The metal is just not strong enough. The Enfield "tool kit" is worthless. Get the proper hand tools. I have been an auto mechanic for almost 40 years, and must have $50K in tools collected over those years, many of them bought at a significant discount or even given to me by the tool truck guys that show up where I work. But you don't need that just for a motorcycle. Buy just the tools you actually need, but get good ones. Huskey tools from Home Depot and Kobalt tools from Lowes are fine for what you are doing. I took a Jeep in to a tire place for new tires many years ago, and the first thing they did was break off 2 lug studs with their impact wrench. I went back home, put it on jackstands, removed all 4 wheels, took them in for new tires, then reinstalled them myself using a hand torque wrench. I would not even suggest using a torque wrench on many of the bolts on an Enfield. Many bolts have been broken and threads stripped that way. Having been a mechanic for so long, I have developed a good feel for just how tight a bolt or nut should be. DON'T overtighten anything on an Enfield. Be especially careful with the oil drain plugs and filter bolts. The metal is almost as soft as butter.
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Post by: USBullet500 on July 04, 2020, 03:17:42 am: Thanks. I learnt it the hard way. I hope i did not damage anything else. I took a test ride and it seems to be fine now. My rear wheel snail doesn't have the hole to lock it in the sprocket making it very hard to adjust. The chain alignment tool doesn't work on RE as it has the chain cover. So i just have to eyeball it to see if its aligned.

Talking about the oil drain nut, i see a small oil leak after every ride, maybe a drop or two. I wondered where it is from. Today i found this leak from the 19mm drain nut(see pic). I doubt it from the suction filter side as i don't see any fresh oil leak. I think it might not have tightened properly from the previous owner or the washer is loose. The previous dealer whom i bought it from over filled the oil and it is above the max level after starting and leaving it for few minutes. I will have to do oil change again and fix these two issues.
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Post by: Haggis on July 04, 2020, 10:56:26 am: Not sure why your having so much difficulty with the snail cams? None of mine have ever wanted to turn when tightening up the axle nuts. Just push the wheel forwards with one hand to hold the adjusters against the pins and do up the nut. (https://i.ibb.co/ssr2QCL/P1030977-2.jpg)
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Post by: gizzo on July 04, 2020, 11:52:53 am: Quote from: Haggis on July 04, 2020, 10:56:26 am
Not sure why your having so much difficulty with the snail cams? None of mine have ever wanted to turn when tightening up the axle nuts. Just push the wheel forwards with one hand to hold the adjusters against the pins and do up the nut. (https://i.ibb.co/ssr2QCL/P1030977-2.jpg)

The more you do it the easier it gets, right?
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Post by: Haggis on July 04, 2020, 12:03:24 pm: In the dark with a blindfold on and one hand behind my back.👍👍👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👌🔧🔧🔧🔧🔧😉😉😉
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on July 04, 2020, 01:00:16 pm: Thanks for the pictures. My snail cam is similar to yours, but doesn't have the two small holes.
I did exactly what you were saying. I pushed the wheel forward with one hand and had it hold the adjusters against the pin. And when i do up the lock nut, at one point of tightening when i reached around 40 foot pounds(I need to tighten it to 54 foot pounds as per manufacturer), the adjusters will slip out of the pin and go out of mark i originally set. The only thing i attribute this is to the fact that i originally used torque wrench and due to high torque that created spindle nut mark on the snail which somehow is making it to rotate along with the spindle nut after tightening a bit. I somehow got it fixed now. Hope i don't have to do this again for long. Thanks.
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Post by: Haggis on July 04, 2020, 02:46:31 pm: The small hole marks are just punch marks to help highlight the cams position.
Still not sure how the cams can move when your tightening up the nuts though.
Your only tightening them up one at a time on their own.
Once you've tightened up the 30mm nut the cam under it cant move.
If the long spindle starts to turn when your tightening it up stick a screwdriver through the hole in the head of the spindle. 70Nm is the torque required which is 51Ft lbs.
(https://i.ibb.co/fDQzMcG/P1030983-2.jpg)
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Post by: USBullet500 on July 04, 2020, 04:51:36 pm: Theoretically i agree with you. I tightened one nut at a time. The cam should not move once the spindle nut is tightened. However when i tighten the lock nut to around 40 ft lbs, both the spindle nut and the cam moves along with it, getting the cam out of position. Both these nuts seems to have been spoiled due to using impact wrench originally.
Hmm.. not sure what you meant by sticking a screw driver through the hole in head of spindle. I tried to stop it by keeping a broad screw driver between the cam and the green .... as in picture.
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Post by: Haggis on July 04, 2020, 05:10:22 pm: The other side of the bike, end of the long spindle has a hole in it.
The 30mm nut should already be tightened. How is turning any more?
(https://i.ibb.co/zZMqwX4/20200704-170543.jpg)
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Post by: USBullet500 on July 04, 2020, 05:21:13 pm: Yes, i also had a screwdriver in the other end of the long spindle all the time i was tightening both these nuts. The 30 mm nut and also the cam seems to have taken a bit of impact due to the impact wrench that i used originally twice or thrice(The impact wrench is rated for 450 ft lbs). I also rode few miles after that.
Thats the only reason i can think of why its moving now. I have to try this with a fresh set of nuts and not use impact wrenches anymore. A lesson learnt.
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Post by: Haggis on July 04, 2020, 05:24:26 pm: The only other thing I can think of is that you have damaged the slot in the swingarm where the flats on the short spindle sit??
These stop the short spindle for turning.
(https://i.ibb.co/K9qGwJP/s-l1600-1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wW8sJ4L/888154.jpg)
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Post by: USBullet500 on July 05, 2020, 01:16:23 am: Thats a good point. Did you mean swingarm bolt? I will have this on my list of things to change down the road.
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Post by: Haggis on July 05, 2020, 09:19:28 am: Quote from: USBullet500 on July 05, 2020, 01:16:23 am
Thats a good point. Did you mean swingarm bolt? I will have this on my list of things to change down the road.
Not sure what you mean by "swingarm bolt" ?
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Post by: Ove on July 05, 2020, 10:16:53 am: OP, if I were you, I'd take it to a dealer to get it checked over, make sure everything's safe and aligned. Replace anything that's damaged and have them show you the chain adjustment in the process, so you've got it covered in future.
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Post by: Boxerman on July 05, 2020, 10:21:25 am: Quote from: Haggis on July 04, 2020, 05:24:26 pm
The only other thing I can think of is that you have damaged the slot in the swingarm where the flats on the short spindle sit??
These stop the short spindle for turning.
The thread on these is very easy to strip if you overtighten the nut.

Frank
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Post by: USBullet500 on July 05, 2020, 11:22:20 am: By swingarm bolt, i meant the entire bolt as in the picture. This is what shows up on ebay when i search for swingarm bolt. You think the threads on this might have damaged? If so, i need to replace the entire bolt.
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Post by: suitcasejefferson on July 05, 2020, 04:05:22 pm: That is the rear axle. The swingarm bolt is what the front of the swingarm pivots on. It is what attaches the swingarm to the frame.
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Post by: USBullet500 on July 05, 2020, 04:54:46 pm: Haggis said i might have damaged the slot in the swingarm where the flats on the short spindle sit? Isn't this part of the rear axle? What is this bolt in the attachment called?
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Post by: Haggis on July 05, 2020, 07:11:24 pm: You have two axles.
The short axle with the 30mm nut.
This holds the rear brake drum/rear sprocket to the right hand side of the swingarm.
The long spindle goes all the way through the short spindle and the wheel to hold it in place with a 24mm nut.
You are saying that the 30mm nut is turning when you are tightening up the 24mm nut on the long spindle.
I suggested that it may be the short spindle that's turning as you may have damaged the flats or the swingarm that stop it from turning.
Title: Re: Tire & Chain adjustment. Using Impact Wrench on bullet!
Post by: USBullet500 on July 05, 2020, 09:33:25 pm: Several of the youtube videos that i watched removing the axle, they only remove the long axle while keeping the short one in place. That made me feel there was only one rear axle. I understand it now. Thanks.

Since the long spindle with the 24mm nut is holding in place, i don't see the 30mm nut coming off. It might however move the snail off the position if i drive on some bumpy roads. I din't see that happening after a short ride on smooth roads. I will keep an eye on it and replace the short axle and both the nuts down the road. Thanks for pointing that out.