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Royal Enfield Motorcycles => Bullet Iron Barrel => Topic started by: Mid Mod on January 29, 2021, 07:34:18 am

Title: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on January 29, 2021, 07:34:18 am
I’ve been looking for a British single and I stumbled on a 2002 electric start model. I believe it’s a Sixty 5. Maybe someone can help me with the model names. I haven’t ridden it yet but it looks fantastic and has a lot of added parts out of the Hitchcock catalog.
I’ve started it once with the electric start and heard a loud bang that must be the sprag clutch. I used the kicker the next time and it still made a loud metallic bang. I won’t be starting it again until the sprag clutch has been removed. I’m fine with kick start only but I need to know what to do to get there. Do I need the Hitchcock’s kit or can I just remove the sprag clutch and be on my way.
Next might be getting the shifter on the right side and brake on the left. I think the shift lever felt a little vague while I was idling in the garage. It might be fine but I won’t know until the ice melts.
This is a great forum, I’m glad to be a part of it.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Nitrowing on January 29, 2021, 10:10:35 am
Yeah, I bought mine on a whim too, a 2005 ElectraX  ;D
I haven't used a full tank of gas yet either, just pottered around town (which will be it's primary duty).
As much as I've read about these sprags, it seems that they can be removed. I'm sure some of the guru's will be able to guide you but a forum search will give you a lot of reading about this issue!

Welcome to the forum  :)
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ace.cafe on January 29, 2021, 02:07:35 pm
A 2002 model with electric start is a Bullet 500ES. It has a 4 speed gearbox and the iron barrel engine.

Model Sixty-5 didn't come out until late 2004-2005.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on January 29, 2021, 03:50:40 pm
A "loud bang" isn't very specific diagnostically speaking. I mean, it could well be the sound of that notorious starter sprag clutch "grenading", or frankly any of a host of other issues. But yanking out that starter sprag and its related gear cluster probably wouldn't be a bad spot to start wrenching anyhow. Even if it were not presently the "loud bang" culprit, it almost surely would be some day anyhow given half a chance. My own 2005's sprag issues and their resolution are described in this sexy old thread: https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=26991.msg309091#msg309091. Basically, you just need to remove the primary chaincase cover and all its contents (clutch assembly, alternator stator and rotor and primary drive chain) to be able to get out the screws to remove that starter gearing housing. Remove that sprag and gear cluster from the housing, fish out any debris, and button it all back up. The starter motor can just go back on to cover the hole, or you can get a nice little blanking plug from our Forum hosts and shed quite a bit of weight. (I later used the now-redundant starter relay and button switch to operate one of those silly Oogah horns from Harbor Freight as shown here: https://youtu.be/Xcfo30h-0N0). If your sprag went kablooey damage to it and possibly other nearby bits should be readily apparent. In fact, once you pull the first outer chaincase cover off you'd be likely to see silvery bits of sprag teeth and/or "H-shaped" chunks of its race laying about. So, at least you'd know you were on the right track of the culprit even early on.

If you haven't already obtained one, you might do well to get a copy of Pete Snidal's superb Bullet Service Manual at http://www.enfield.20m.com/bullet1.htm

Anyhow, welcome to the Horde of the Archaic! I promise it'll be worth riding out this little hiccup. My hunch is she's just "shit testing" you to see if you're worthy. Throw us a few photos of your ride, and best of luck! Where are you by the way?
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on January 29, 2021, 05:05:06 pm
I’m in Minneapolis.
I’m pretty sure it’s the sprag. It makes the sound when there’s a little kick back from the engine and again when you shut it off.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on January 29, 2021, 06:17:26 pm
Here are the parts you'll be needing. The Left-Right conversion is the only way to take out all that shifter slop unless you are a good machinist and have lots of spare time, wee tiny Japanese fingers, a selection of Heim joints, bronze bushed & grease zerks available. The 4 speed was built to shift on the right and resents any contrary opinions. :o  The plug is a good alternative to roughly $900 worth of fiddling to retain a marginal starting system. At a 6.5/1 C.R., the Bullet is an easy starter if kept in tune.   
Good Hunting - ACR -

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/19282?ref_page=Bullet%20Export%20500cc
PART No. 90145 ; £260.00 ; 4 SPEED CONVERSION, LEFT SHIFT TO RIGHT SHIFT with painted brake pedal
Some export 4 speed models have the gear shift on the left hand side which is all connected via a very poor linkage and bush assembly. This kit brings it back to the conventional right hand side (1 up 3 down) and is supplied with all parts needed including the brake parts for the left hand side. Note: the bearing in the end cover will need to be transferred from your old cover or replaced. Order part 111166 for original open style or 145552 for sealed version.


https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/crankshaft-engine/21512
PART No. 90154 ; £10.80 ; STARTER MOTOR BLANK
If you have removed the starter motor and do not want to go to the expense and effort of changing the chaincase, then this is a simple to fit alloy plug that seals the hole that is left behind.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: nonfiction on January 29, 2021, 08:22:11 pm
Welcome Mid Mod. I'm new around here too--bought my 2007 500ES in July of last year. I have since pulled the starter stuff and changed the shifting from left to right. My bike is a 5sp model, but I bought Hitchcock's conversion kit to switch shift/brake sides, and I also bought new 4sp type primary cases because I think they're really nice looking.

Before I decided to replace the cases I bought the starter blanking plug, and I'd be happy to sell it along rather than let it sit around. Just let me know if you'd like to do that.

I know I could have done the work I did somewhat less expensively, but Hitchcocks does a great job of making up these kits, and it's a great company to work with. Good luck!
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on January 29, 2021, 08:50:31 pm
I think I’ll order the shift swap kit and a new case side to get rid of the starter boss.
 I might get an exhaust too. Is it just the stock muffler that’s restrictive or head pipe too?
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on January 29, 2021, 09:50:45 pm
Sadly H's is out of these, which will fit on your Bullet with no modification. These bikes come with a "short" head pipe and the "bazooka" quiet exhaust. The "long exhaust" to fit the factory short head pipe were about $120ish USD I believe. Complete exhaust systems are still in stock, and run around $250 USD. LOTS to choose from.

H's carry all of the jetting mods necessary for "Hi-Flo" performance bits like less restrictive exhaust & clamp-on air filters. These will gain you 3-5 HP over stock and eliminate the "rototiller" sound, making it more like a proper Brit single should be. But all of these mods are louder.

I replaced my stock 6 pound airbox with a gauze clamp-on because I found dust in the intake rubber leading to the carb mouth AFTER I'd replaced & sorted the filter & intake rubber. If you live someplace relatively dust free, a bell-mouth velocity stack would be sweet - with screen of course to keep out gravel, loose nuts, keys, etc.

If high wear did become a problem, a pushrod single is easy to rebuild, and it would be an excuse to upgrade to an alloy barrel and forged piston. The OEM pistons are a bit fragile and prone to dropping the skirt into the bottom end if ridden spiritedly - or even just "because". The Conn rods don't like high RPM, some have had them snap. As AdrianII says, a "Mechanically Sympathetic" rider is the Bullets best asset. The rule of thumb for a stock motor is "Don't lug it. Don't buzz it. Keep the motor running free from 2500 to 5000." The motto that has served me well is "She'll run 55 all day, 65 for awhile, 80 one time."

These motors can make really good power, but you must start with an ACE bronze Bush crank & steel conn rod or Hitchcocks needle bearing crank & conn rod. Then a quality piston & alloy barrel. THEN bring on the headwork, carb, etc. The stock crank, rod & piston are good for maybe 25-27 HP before you are riding a incipient grenade. The stone-stock Bullet is still a ball to chuff around on, and reasonably reliable after you adapt to its quirks.

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/11433?ref_page=Bullet%20Export%20500cc
PART No. 91007 ;Currently Not Available ; SILENCER, WITH LONG INLET, 1.75''
This British made silencer is similar to the one we use on our 1950s style (200087) system, but has an extended inlet pipe to allow the direct bolting on to the original short Indian made exhaust pipe. Being less restrictive it enhances the performance and gives the 1950s sound. It is made in England and has 2 fixing points. This silencer has a removable baffle which can be modified to give the desired balance between noise and performance. This silencer has an inlet diameter where the exhaust pipe fits of 1.3/4 inches (approx. 45.00mm)
Suitable for Indian built Bullets 350cc (1997-2008) & 500cc (up to 2008). NOT suitable for: Thunderbird, Electra X or EFI models. See ''Fitting Guide'' for details. For a suitable silencer clip see ''Related Items'' below.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on January 29, 2021, 11:41:02 pm
The problem I see now is that there are too many choices with Hitchcock’s.

I like a number of the exhausts. I’m not sure of the differences right now on a couple of them.

I like:
200086 1950’s upswept
200087 1950’s style
200089 Goldstar
91040 Woodsman
91010 1960’s upswept
91012 High Level Trials

 I think the high pipes will be crossed off my list but I really like them.

Is there a pipe that is quiet and with performance on my list?
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on January 30, 2021, 01:42:12 am
This is why I thought my bike was a Sixty 5. It’s a 2002 electric start.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on January 30, 2021, 03:05:26 am
Here's the Hitchcocks parts book that shows the Sixty-5 as a 2003 & 2004 model. The 5 speed transmission is the difference. The Bullet had a 4 speed Albion since Noah was a cabin boy. The 5 speed is a very nice option but not necessary to enjoy riding Grandpappy's scooter. I rather like the 4 speed as it is another window into 1930's motorcycling.  The Non-Unit construction allows you to change gear ratios (1 trials set, 2 road sets) without taking out the cases, just peeling off side covers. The lovely 5-speed is fairly Japanese like in operation, with good ratios, so you miss out on some of the Olde Tyme fun. "Tuning up" your shifter was completely alien to me coming from a Japanese motorcycle background. Satisfying once you get the hang of it. The Snidal's manual as mentioned by Bilgemaster earlier is an essential bit of kit.

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/Parts-Book-Online

Lots of folks here have "hotrodded" their Bullets with intake & exhaust mods. Many have ended up putting the "Bazooka" back on, as unless you have about $2K worth of sturdy engine guts in place it'll never be "fast", so it may as well be quiet. More power normally equates to more noise. These are great bikes, the closest thing you can buy to a brand new antique. Hitchcocks makes it easy to own & operate. The 50+ year long parts chain (1950 - 2008) is something owners of other makes can only dream about. Rather like having a 350 Chevy - everything has been tried, everything is available.

Besides sorting the shifter, the front brake REALLY benefits from the Hitchcocks "sticky-er" front brake shoes. The rest is mostly fettling. Oil & filter changes every 1,000 - 2,000 miles, ATF Type "F" for the primary, real gear oil for the gearbox. Get a set of H's Heavy Duty control cables and don't look back. Good control cables make the front brake, clutch & throttle work well.

As Bilgemaster says, Bullets like to "shit test" you to see if you're worthy. Mine puked it's front & real wheel bearings to see if I was paying attention, giving me a little "rain groove" wander on perfectly flat roads as the only heads up. The crankshaft "gland seal" had also detatched from it's moorings as a bonus, but hey - you are supposed to be looking at stuff like that routinely, eh? Anyhow - welcome to the Monkey House. - ACR -
 
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on January 30, 2021, 04:11:04 am
You’re right about not really needing the exhaust. I should get to know it a bit before going that route. I feel the need for the shift kit is justified as the lever moves up and down a few inches before doing anything haha.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on January 30, 2021, 08:24:14 am
My original LH linkage was the same way. Every shift was pretty iffy. Even after I had the new bits on I still had to replace the detent plunger that indexes the bellcrank. It take some zip out of the ride when you keep wondering when the linkage bodge will finally quit. The RH shift kit puts the lever firmly in charge of the ratchet mechanism. There could be other issues of ratchet throw adjustment or detent plunger tension, but putting the shifter back where it belongs on this old beast is a good start. Close is good here, you aren't working on the Space Shuttle! Do NOT mix up the old trans parts with the NEW parts, there are some subtle differences that'll make you crazy if you interchange them accidentally. Most of these transmissions were filled with grease, they were designed for gear oil. When you have the shifter inner cover off, scrape out the old grease with a stick. Refill when assembled with gear oil up to the fill check plug. Some transmissions weep a bit when filled with oil, neither of mine had what I consider significant leakage. They are a British design, so it's almost expected.

Don't trust any previous work. Change all of the engine/trans/primary fluids. Remember the aluminum alloys used are pretty soft, so don't brutalize things. Check the valves cold at TDC compression to see they spin free with maybe just a tiny bit of vertical play on the exhaust valve, and they'll loosen as it heats up. Too tight valves affect starting compression. These motors have a lot of valve train noise, the timing gears are straight cut and whine a bit. Check the point gap & static timing; 0.8mm BTDC is the starting point. Install a new spark Plug. These fuel tanks tend to rust, so get a 10 micron filter in the fuel line to the carb. Pull the float bowl & check for "dust"; should be spotless. If it's gunky, disassemble & clean it. Better in your garage than on the side of the road. The carb mounting rubber is problematic. None of my factory ones lasted more than 4-6 months without cracking. The best solution is to use a piece of fiber reinforced radiator hose and two nice stainless steel hose clamps - good for years. Make sure your throttle cable is clean, lubed & properly routed. Make certain the carb slide ALWAYS drops cleanly down to the stop when you close the throttle. This easy-to-lose part caused me grief as it was missing when I got the bike:     ( I bought two for back-up)
PART No. 143314 ; £1.70  ;  FERRULE, THROTTLE CABLE, EACH
https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/1915?qty=1&continue_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com%2Fpartsbook-pages%2F1942

Most important - get that Snidal manual on the way. These are quirky beasts, Pete has a lot of insights that'll save you much grief.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ace.cafe on January 30, 2021, 01:17:47 pm
This is why I thought my bike was a Sixty 5. It’s a 2002 electric start.
It is possible that the Sixty-5 was available in India before it came to the US. We didn't see it here till about  2004.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on January 30, 2021, 03:57:53 pm
It never ceases to surprise how many variations there are with these older bikes from that era. My 2004 Indian home market iron Bullet Electra came with “TCI” ignition (i.e. no distributor or points) but is kickstart only. It also came with the right side shift, 4 speed gearbox. I found that was its Achilles heel; as a 350 it didn’t cope well with  the relatively large gap between 3rd and 4th. It was very frustrating to ride with a passenger or on long hills. I was offered a 5 speed box at a very low price. I converted it to right side shift fitted it and it transformed the bike.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ddavidv on January 31, 2021, 02:14:54 pm
Welcome to the...what did Bilgemeister call it? "Horde of the Archaic". LOL
I also bought mine on a whim. Of course, half of my engine came in a box which added to the fun.
These bikes are super simple to work on with Snidal's manual. My only addition to the fine prior posts is not to use the torque specs in the manual. Go just a bit shy of their recommendations. The Indian made metal and castings aren't as sturdy as the English stuff and it is easy to strip threads on these if one is not careful.

I went with the shorter salami shaped muffler and it sounds good. It is louder, but not as obnoxious as the Emgo cocktail shaker model I tried previously. I got mine from the 'seconds' bin listing at Hitchcocks. Could find absolutely nothing wrong with it. Always check there before placing an order as there are some bargains to be had.

The rubber parts and cables are two things they can't seem to make in India so always opt for the British made versions.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on January 31, 2021, 04:49:19 pm
Those are wise words about taking it super easy with that torque and not heave-hoing those fasteners from the guy who quite literally wrote the book on resurrecting these oil lamps (see: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0832BB5T6).

I am now getting the impression that this may not be our newly arrived original poster's first rodeo wrenching on bikes. However, at the risk of offering patronizing advice to one with possibly more grease under their fingernails than me, the Royal Enfield Bullet's particular propensity compared to other makes for iffy fasteners and soft gooey threads still leads me to this special recommendation for fettling the breed: "Go stubby, young man!"

This earlier thread at https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=28299 describes a couple of handy tools that will greatly reduce the risk of overtightening those nougaty fasteners. In particular the Harbor Freight SAE & Metric Stubby Combo Wrench set for under $10 shown there has been one of my "top of the tool box" tools. It'll be much harder to get into trouble with those. While you're at Harbor Freight anyhow, you might also grab one of their ¼" drive torque wrenches for about $10, since their (and other) ⅜" drive ones often don't creep down into those single-digit foot-pound settings favored by some of our Bullets' nuts and bolts. And of course, you'd do well to stock up on a couple-few little bottles of their No. 42 Medium Threadlocker, their bargain Loctite knockoff. It works just fine.

More generally, there is also this older ongoing thread about other "budget tools" I've tried and liked: https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=25828.0;all

Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 01, 2021, 05:40:41 am
Can someone post a link to the starter delete kit? I found it once but now I can’t seem to locate it.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on February 01, 2021, 06:22:50 am
Can someone post a link to the starter delete kit? I found it once but now I can’t seem to locate it.

Are you referring to the "Starter Motor Blank" to fill the hole when the starter motor is removed? If so, that's found at: https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/crankshaft-engine/21512 and just £10.80.

It's a very nicely made little part from billet alumin(i)um that's a press fit. Just whack it into the hole with a rubber mallet or piece of wood and it stays put.

(https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/90154-1200.jpg)
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 01, 2021, 06:52:22 am
No I’m looking for the primary to replace the starter housing.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 01, 2021, 07:44:03 am
Unfortunately it's not exactly a bolt on job. "Nonfiction" just did this same operation to his I.B. Bullet in the "Smooth Left Side" thread in this "I.B. Bullet column. The Electric Start variant engine cases have the primary inner case attaching bolts "rotated" in a different orientation than the Kick Start primary inner case. You must redrill the new Kick Start primary inner case to match the engine layout. The "plug" gets you on the road much faster, and you can then begin to get the machine sorted out. I know money's probably not an issue, but seriously I would get the old girl up and running, determine clutch condition & primary gearing suitability for your purposes, THEN if you want to still swap over you can do the whole shebang at once. There are plenty of seals & gaskets to replace at the same time. No reason to duplicate work unnecessarily, and a couple special tools are required. Plenty of documentation of pulling the primary on this forum, and the Snidal manual will get you through as well..

Here are the 2002 H's Kickstart parts:
https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/18416?qty=1&continue_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com%2Fpartsbook-pages%2F1744
PART No. 111889 ; £82.50 ; CHAINCASE, INNER HALF KS

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/2095?qty=1&continue_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com%2Fpartsbook-pages%2F1741
PART No. 143907 ; £73.50 ; CHAINCASE, OUTER (Imperial threads fitted up to March 2002) 

And here is the Electric Start case - the attachment bolt holes to the engine are visibly rotated relative to the plain KS version.
https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/10477?qty=1&continue_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com%2Fpartsbook-pages%2F1926
PART No. 560127 ;£112.50 ;
CHAINCASE INNER, E/START (No provision for gear change shaft)
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on February 01, 2021, 07:57:27 am
I'd never heard about a "kit" as such, though one may well exist. I never really cared to look for one, since I'm OK with my now empty starter gearing housing just perched up there kind of rakishly. In fact, I think it gives a nice counterpoint visually to the opposite side's upwards-thrusting timing case like some tandem Romulan Marital Aid. I seem to recall reading something somewhere about some Indian home market Thunderbird (?) primary case or cases having been used by someone as a replacement, maybe with some modifications, but don't really remember any details. However, I am fairly sure you will find parts of these two old threads and some of their linked info very useful:


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Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Adrian II on February 01, 2021, 10:10:52 am
The Hitchcocks' kit you are looking for is either part # 90152 or 90153 depending on left or right footed of the gear shift. Remember H's aren't always clued-up for some of the US only models, so a left-foot shift 4 speed gearbox might need a little more research before you place an order. Search under those part numbers on their main web site instead of looking at the accessory catalog pages.

Rather than drilling holes in the replacement primary inner chaincase as AzCal states, the idea is to drill and tap the respective left side crankcase mounting position to suit the replacement inner, the kit includes new studs, nuts and an 8mm tap, for which you will need a 6.8mm drill bit. The good news, assuming you can hold a drill and a tap wrench straight, is that you can do this job with the engine still in the frame, I just happened to be working on the crankcases for a different reason.

A.

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Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 01, 2021, 04:39:34 pm
I guess I am trying to move too fast with this bike.
The sprag needs to come out so it would be nice to replace the primary. Also I figured if I was making an order I should get everything at once to save shipping but these are all big pieces so that might not have worked anyway.

So far all I’ve done is clean the carb in the sonic cleaner. I looked in the tank and the liner is sliding off the insides. Acetone is supposed to take it off so that will be my first project. The sprag will have to wait until it’s a little warmer out but that means I can’t start it right now. I like it to be above freezing in the shop but it looks like we are getting single digit weather soon. 
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 01, 2021, 04:46:53 pm
Thanks Adrian II for that clarification! I should have reviewed the process more. - ACR -
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 01, 2021, 07:02:30 pm
I see why I wasn’t getting a hit on my Hitchcock’s search. I was putting “starter” in the search box but they use “start”.

I need the left to right shift conversion and the right shift kick start only primary number 90153. I have do both at the same time to make it work.

I just love the support on this page and the aftermarket parts available.

I haven’t spilled the beans yet but I bought this bike specifically to make a little trip with my friends this summer. I need to whip it into shape and put some miles on it before June. Plenty of time right?
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on February 01, 2021, 08:28:31 pm
Ummmmm...What kind of bikes do your friends have? An Iron Barrel Bullet isn't exactly a "Leader of the Pack", or even an "At Least Keeping the Pack in Sight" kind of ride. If your buddies ride most anything other than Bullets, you, thumping along ideally in the 50s, are going to be a serious anchor and hindrance. And if you do try to "keep up" instead of seeking out your Bullet's own sympathetic pace, you'll likely just thrash the thing to death. It's a "horses for courses" kind of situation. You should definitely sort out and keep that Bullet. With all its challenges and concessions to modernity I adore mine. But I know it well for what it is. If your fellow riders are all mounted on modern bikes happy to cruise in the 70s or 80s all day long, then that Bullet is not the droid you are looking for.

You're up there in Minnesota right? Well, while it may be debatable whether that's a "good" thing as we slog through the end of January, at least you DO have that "seasonality" thing working for you in spades when it comes to the values of "summery" stuff like motorcycles, boats, scuba gear or thong wear. A bike worth or even asking for a couple-few grand in July has about the same demand as a frozen bucket of fish guts in February. I'd almost be astonished if this '99 Suzuki GZ250 micro-cruiser single in Rochester with just 6,000 miles on it asking $1,000 wasn't being loaded into your van or pickup roughly half a nanosecond after you'd waved five C notes at the owner. And even that little squirt would happily cruise in the 60s all day long without flying to bits: https://rmn.craigslist.org/mcy/d/rochester-1999-suzuki-gz250/7270914602.html. I'll bet there are tons of old "metric cruiser" to be had up there in the glaciers for chump change right now.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 01, 2021, 08:48:43 pm
Well..... So far there’s a 1937 Norton, a 1969 Triumph 650 and a 1972 Honda CL450. It looks like I’ll be fighting for last place with a real old timer.

The kicker is that we’re going over the Beartooth Highway which is the highest highway in North America. It goes above the tree line. Speed isn’t necessary but brakes are kind of important.

Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on February 01, 2021, 09:54:56 pm
Actually...Forget I said anything. Sure, the Triumph and elderly Honda may naturally press ahead slightly, but you and the prewar Norton should be a fine match. What model of Norton is it, I wonder? Also, your Enfield has superb engine braking. I had zero issues with anything like brake fade in the Appalachians. Of course, I have the 5-speed, with basically that extra gear between 3rd and top. A four speed with that BIG stretch between 3rd and 4th may be more of a wind-up challenge, especially getting up steeper grades.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 01, 2021, 10:03:02 pm
I had my eye on a 1955 Ariel VH but I didn’t think I could gather parts in time for the trip.
I wasn’t counting on this bike needing anything. Taking out the sprag is basically free but then I saw what was available. Haha like I said in the title, I’m impulsive.
I think the Norton is a 500cc but I haven’t asked.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 01, 2021, 10:24:15 pm
I agree about the benefit of a five speed gearbox, especially on a 350 such as mine. Fitting it has transformed the bike, especially on long hills.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 01, 2021, 11:04:17 pm
I know they sell a 5 speed box that I guess would go in my frame but that’s clearly out of the budget. I actually spent the entire budget just buying the bike. Now I should probably sell some stuff to get all the things on my list. I do plan on keeping this bike for years to come.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ace.cafe on February 01, 2021, 11:37:40 pm
I know they sell a 5 speed box that I guess would go in my frame but that’s clearly out of the budget. I actually spent the entire budget just buying the bike. Now I should probably sell some stuff to get all the things on my list. I do plan on keeping this bike for years to come.
You will need a right-shift conversion kit to put a 5 speed box in that bike.
The earlier engines with 4 speed boxes lack the tunnel for the left shifter rod.
So the 5 speed gearbox must be converted. Not really a big deal. Lots of people have done it. Adds some extra cost.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 02, 2021, 12:17:19 am
Yes, I converted a left shift 5 spd. gearbox to suit my right side bike. It cost me about £25 in parts (sourced from a U.K. bearing supplier) and another £25 to have the outer case machined to suit a bronze bush where the shift lever pivot shaft exits.

It’s very simple and inexpensive if the bike itself was already designed for right side shift. The most difficult part of the project is marking the inside centre of the outer case spigot for machining, so the shift lever pivot lines up with the inner bush as well as the outer. Actually, once you know how to mark the centre with a 14mm diameter centre punch from behind, it’s dead easy...there, I’ve given my secret away!
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on February 02, 2021, 01:24:59 am
I had my eye on a 1955 Ariel VH but I didn’t think I could gather parts in time for the trip.
I wasn’t counting on this bike needing anything. Taking out the sprag is basically free but then I saw what was available. Haha like I said in the title, I’m impulsive.
I think the Norton is a 500cc but I haven’t asked.

Norton made a whole slew of various models of 500 singles in '37, any one of those girder-forked beasts I'd be overjoyed to own. There was a time not so long back, say just before the Internet really took off from the mid-'90s and commenced making any old junk "collectables", when you could still pick up examples of their humble Model 16H, especially well worn or shed-dwelling civilianized war surplus ones, very reasonably, at least in Britain. Unless it was a later import, there's probably a fair chance that your buddy's is an ES2 (nicknamed "Easy Two"), since that was their slightly higher end basic "export" model at the time, with the International being their upscale more sporting one...basically a racing mount with accessories. A well-fettled Inter might give your Bullet and even that Triumph and Honda a surprise.

As lovely as a '50s Ariel Red Hunter may be, with their well-earned reputation for plain jane reliability back in their day, in view of your time frame for that forthcoming trip, I'd say you may have chosen wisely with the Bullet, if only because of its far readier, cheaper and quicker parts availability. Realistically you'd probably want to have a full season or even three to really shake down a '50s Ariel or frankly any other marque of that period before commencing any really long road trips. With a Bullet most anything you might need could be delivered to a motel or even campsite in a few days, and for much less.

If money's an issue (and when isn't it?), I might suggest just sorting it out as-is: attending to that necessary starter nonsense, and leaving the whole optional swappings of the primary case or gearbox rigamarole for "later". A reasonably tight 4-speed box will get you there just fine.

And let's see some good detailed pictures of the bike!

 
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 02, 2021, 02:19:19 am
The problem with showing the bike is that you would see my disaster of a garage in the picture. I’ll see what I can do before work tomorrow.

The Red Hunter was very tempting until I saw it. I just didn’t like the looks of it. They must have changed between 1951 and 1955 because I saw a 51 that was incredible. And it was missing too many parts.

I think I’ll take the sprag out, clean the tank, and ride it. There isn’t much sense in changing it before I even know how it rides.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 02, 2021, 07:48:43 pm
Not a great pic but you can see a few details.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 02, 2021, 07:50:47 pm
The pillion pad is just laying on the fender. I’m trying to decide if it looks ok Before I drill holes.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Nitrowing on February 02, 2021, 08:04:29 pm
I'd rotate the pad so the thick part cushions the pillion a bit better...
What's going on with the gear shift lever? My Electra's fits directly to a splined shaft  :o
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 02, 2021, 08:12:52 pm
I don’t know if it’s normal to have a gear shift lever like mine but it feels like an over cooked noodle.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 02, 2021, 09:43:39 pm
On your Bullet there has been some attention paid to increasing foot control surface area, and the kick start has a nice addition as well. Once you get the right side retrofit installed that slop will be just a bad memory. It'll still have a long industrial strength lever throw, but there will be an actual positive shift happening.

This is an old school technique I read about and ended up successfully applying, even after conversion:
Clutch in - Toe into desired gear and HOLD there - release clutch, then release shift lever pressure.
It's a ratchet mechanism that indexes a bellcrank which in turn is "held" by a detent plunger.
Each shift needs to be fairly deliberate and unhurried. The Japanese "stab & twitch" shift methodology is a result of 40 years of development time the Bullet hadn't got to yet. It took a while to train my foot to slow down.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ace.cafe on February 02, 2021, 10:05:49 pm
I don’t know if it’s normal to have a gear shift lever like mine but it feels like an over cooked noodle.
All the left shift 4-speed shift linkage is like that.
Its a special RE sort of junk that is best removed for a right shift kit.

I'll inform you now that if you avoid trying to make the 4-speed shift well, and change to a closer ratio gearset to eliminate the huge ratio gap between 3rd and 4th, and put sealed bearings in it, you will be better off to just do the right shift 5-speed gearbox and be done with it.

Same thing with the Mikarb 28mm carburetor. Just chuck it and get a 32mm Mikuni with manifold stub.

Words of experience.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 02, 2021, 11:34:22 pm
I agree with you ace.cafe. But my wallet needs a break for a month.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on February 02, 2021, 11:51:28 pm
Also here in the cheap seats I gotta say she's just lovely!  Someone really cared for that old girl, and they went skipping through the aftermarket accessories catalogs together and tweaked and tweaked and tweaked. I suppose that's Minnesota winters for you. I even spy the fancy heavy duty adjustable headsteady tucked in there as well a clear-bowled filtering fuel petcock. I presume your Pulse Air Valve (PAV) rigamarole and hopefully the cloggy crankcase breather vapor recirculation systems (if your 2002 even had them) have been expunged. If so, that's a fine thing. On the right hand side I see what looks like a clever aftermarket red marker light on the nacelle (up near the headlamp). Is the other side's green? One cannot see. If so, you'll probably want to swap them around. For as any sailor will assure you: it's red for port (left) and green for starboard (right). You don't want to cause a ruckus at the marina! The OEM ones are frosted clear.

Ace is unimpeachably at the "optimal performance" end of the Bullet spectrum. If he says a bigger Mikuni and a right-shifting 5-speed will make that thing go better, then you can take that to the bank. On the other hand, I've been perfectly content with my Mikcarb and enough folks are dawdling along happily on those sloppy left-shifting 4-speed Albion boxes, and the amount of care clearly taken to that ride otherwise, tells me you'll likely get up into those mountains just fine on that shiny thing this Spring. It'll have its quirks, sure. But getting used to those quirks is all part of the fun! Besides, even though I'm already blessed with a 5-speed, I've always thought that original style Albion box with its "neutral finder" was somehow prettier. It's just a shame they were obliged to concoct that sloppy left-shifting reach around to suit arbitrary US vehicle "safety" standards legislated in the '70s.

While you're waiting around for those glaciers to recede anyhow, you might do well to check out "Hoohoogoblin's" series of 28 videos on YouTube at https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFDF975F9231D6110. "Arizona RE" also offers quite a fine selection at https://youtube.com/c/ArizonaRE. Among these two there are several videos that may be helpful in stripping that primary down. But don't worry too much about special pullers and such. A rubber mallet from Dollar Tree and some vigorous wiggling to and fro should help ease the clutch basket and alternator rotor and such off just fine. Do yourself a favor and wrap a little tape around those splines of the clutch through-shaft when disassembling and reassembling. That may help keeping those really sharp shaft's teeth from chewing up the little oil seal.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 03, 2021, 02:32:25 am
Those brass eyes above the headlight are really cool. They are really bright red at night though. I suppose I have to change them to something more normal.

The 4 speed has to stay for this trip. Do you lose the neutral finder when switching to right side shift? That would be a bummer.

PAV. ??  You’ll have to tell me what to look for on that one.

Mikuni swap? Yes, sign me up. I put Mikuni VMs on everything. And that just leads to an exhaust upgrade right? I think the 200087 is the one for me.

As far as polished hubs and. Chrome engine mounts etc... this thing is decked out.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ace.cafe on February 03, 2021, 04:18:02 am
The 4-speed keeps the neutral finder on right shift too.

PAV is only on later models. Yours didn't have it. It is a pollution contril sir injection system.

Mikuni VM32 and the Mikuni rubber manifold kit from Sudco is the ticket for carb at a reasonable cost. The stock throttle cable will work. If you want a better cable get the Enfield cable from Motion Pro.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ddavidv on February 03, 2021, 01:00:44 pm
The fuel tank lining...
I had that same joy with mine. I chipped away at the hard bit with a number of screwdrivers and other pointy devices, then blew the detritus out with compressed air. Which made a joyous mess.
(https://scontent.fagc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61094812_10157274130646055_820074853565464576_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=qB6iV-wqYXMAX-oL1NU&_nc_ht=scontent.fagc1-2.fna&oh=422dd223554f42aa201204f88cc0c663&oe=603F3424)

(https://scontent.fagc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60734785_10157273944186055_5976366307128377344_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=_7bssU4TDdEAX8yZiDJ&_nc_ht=scontent.fagc1-2.fna&oh=cb99127e81dd3bdbd4d983846d070894&oe=603E8C86)
The remaining stubborn bits or pieces in inaccessible areas got the acetone treatment. Took a few soakings until it was all gone.
Upon completion I found that the tank had a pinhole in it. Being chrome, there was no way to fix it without ruining the finish so I recoated the inside with Red Kote. Sealed up the hole no problem.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 03, 2021, 06:26:51 pm
Thanks for those pics ddavidv. It looks like the same stuff inside mine. How much acetone did you use?
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on February 03, 2021, 11:32:07 pm
Thanks for those pics ddavidv. It looks like the same stuff inside mine. How much acetone did you use?

I'm not saying you don't  have to clean out and reline the fuel tank lining (and there's plenty in the Archive on various techniques, potions and brews to do this), but have you got good reason to do so or to think it's degrading or separating or flaking off? (another swell by-product of that sinister ethanol corn spew in our fuel, which I avoid in mine). Do you see any slurry in that lovely aftermarket see-through fuel tap filter of yours or in the carb's fuel bowl that leads you to believe you may even have  an issue?

By the way, Minnesota, even Minneapolis proper, has lots of options to get the ethanol-free "good stuff" that won't bork your Bullet: https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=MN. A steady diet of 89 octane ethanol-free with about an ounce per tank of Marvel Mystery Oil seems to have been keeping my '05 chipper and clean as a whistle the past 14,000 or so miles since I got her. In my case that relining of the fuel tank is a can I've chosen to kick down the road well out of sight.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Royal Stargazer on February 04, 2021, 01:51:54 am
I’m in Minneapolis.
I’m pretty sure it’s the sprag. It makes the sound when there’s a little kick back from the engine and again when you shut it off.

Greetings from across the river! I deleted the ES on my 2003 last year. I ordered the parts piecemeal, and (after I'd bought them all, of course) I emailed Hitchcocks to see if it was even possible, as their website specifically calls out the right side 4 and 5 speed, or the left side 5 speed - I have a left-side 4 speed. They linked me to item 90153 on their site. While I'd purchased everything individually, I did order everything included in the kit, and I can confirm it worked.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 04, 2021, 04:10:07 am
My lining is slumping off the sides and sitting on the bottom of the tank. I don’t see any in the clear filter though.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on February 04, 2021, 06:47:27 am
My lining is slumping off the sides and sitting on the bottom of the tank. I don’t see any in the clear filter though.

Well, if you can see it laying around down there fallen like an old guy's tube socks, it's best to get it out.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 04, 2021, 07:39:59 am
My workshop manual advises putting some wood screws in the tank and shaking it all about to loosen rust and other debris!

I’ve not had to do this so far, because my tank hasn’t been coated internally and seems rust free. However, welding a cracked seam and both rear fixing brackets where they had snapped off was another matter. The brackets were only lightly tacked on at the factory. In the end I had to remake them out of slightly more substantial steel.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ddavidv on February 04, 2021, 01:13:29 pm
The screws didn't work on mine AT ALL. Half of them just got stuck in the crevices.
I found a short length of chain did much better. Bonus:  much easier to retrieve!
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: cyrusb on February 04, 2021, 04:58:31 pm
It's amazing the tanks work as well as they do. I have not had a problem with mine, which I find amazing. So many inches of sketchy torch welding. Odd shapes, square corners. I guess they saved money not having a die for the base. Were the Redditch tanks bases made with a puzzles amount of panels ?
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ddavidv on February 05, 2021, 01:07:06 pm
Can't say for a Bullet but my Redditch Interceptor tank has much more rounded corners underneath.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 05, 2021, 03:29:58 pm
My 350 developed an “aura” of fuel while I was out on a ride (last year, pre lockdown). I noticed the top of the carburettor was damp. The tank seam had cracked and the tank was loose as the back; both rear fixing brackets stayed on the bike when I removed the tank. I was appalled how badly the tank was made and how poorly  the welds on the brackets had been done; just a couple of tack welds on each. I eventually made new, stronger brackets and welded them on. It took a couple of attempts to fully repair the leaking seam.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Nitrowing on February 05, 2021, 07:11:04 pm
I was appalled how badly the tank was made and how poorly  the welds on the brackets had been done; just a couple of tack welds on each.

This is exactly why I raise my eyebrows when I sentences along the line of "it's good enough for 10's of thousands of RE owners"
Just because thousands of owners have fettled the appalling engineering on these machines doesn't mean they're good bikes  ::) ???
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 05, 2021, 07:16:11 pm
They’re a challenge, to say the least. But ownership is a personal choice. Mine is a hobby as much as a mode of transport.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: cyrusb on February 05, 2021, 08:30:04 pm
This is exactly why I raise my eyebrows when I sentences along the line of "it's good enough for 10's of thousands of RE owners"
Just because thousands of owners have fettled the appalling engineering on these machines doesn't mean they're good bikes  ::) ???
Not good bikes at all. I agree. But the only bikes, if your looking for a bit of British history with a fairly reliable parts network.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Nitrowing on February 05, 2021, 08:54:03 pm
Not good bikes at all. I agree. But the only bikes, if your looking for a bit of British history with a fairly reliable parts network.
I saw a pretty little bike to run around town on. If I'd done any research I'd have kept looking  ;D
I love how it looks and sounds. I don't love the maintenance schedule or random exploding internals  :-\
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 05, 2021, 10:25:39 pm
You guys.......

I guess I better sell it :-[
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: cyrusb on February 06, 2021, 01:31:40 am
I saw a pretty little bike to run around town on. If I'd done any research I'd have kept looking  ;D
I love how it looks and sounds. I don't love the maintenance schedule or random exploding internals  :-\
Then its not for you.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ddavidv on February 06, 2021, 03:34:23 am
Could be worse. Could be a Ural.  :D
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on February 06, 2021, 11:16:53 am
You guys.......

I guess I better sell it :-[

Well, that's disappointing. I'd have advised pressing on and just getting her sorted out. There's hardly any expense involved if you just fix the issues at hand--merely a couple of afternoons wrenching. But Bullets and wrenching aren't for everyone. So what would you be asking for it? If the price is right I'm sure someone up there by you would take on a fine looking light fixer-upper like that dripping with blingy aftermarket snoodlets.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 06, 2021, 12:48:22 pm
Owning an older Royal Enfield is a bit like buying a bag of Pistachios and expecting them to provide a big lunch..they’re a pastime rather than a meal.  ;D
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 06, 2021, 06:40:06 pm
Don’t worry, I’m not deterred. I just don’t know why these guys are pooping at my party.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Adrian II on February 06, 2021, 07:01:50 pm
I don't think there's any real party-pooping intended, but there can be a bit more work involved in getting the bike to the state where it's a reliable ride, depending on the individual build quality, or even what a previous owner might have done to it. There are some absolute peaches out there which just ran great out of the crate with proper breaking-in, most were OK, but a few lemons slipped through as well.

Hopefully yours will be fine, anything which does crop up can usually be fixed.

A.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 06, 2021, 07:27:03 pm
This bike has 22,000 miles on it and has been dealer serviced since new. I talked to the owner of the shop before buying it. He said it was a good one. He also said I was paying top dollar but it’s still considerably less than a comparable BSA or Ariel etc... and the spares supply is fantastic. But the point is that it’s ran well for a good while and now has a new 535 piston. It didn’t get this far being a lemon.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ace.cafe on February 06, 2021, 08:04:09 pm
I have done a helluva lot of Bullet modding over the years, and IMO it is all very much worth it when you get it all done.

I will admit that they need more improvements than a factory bike should, but I consider it to be a "kit" that just needs finishing to be made right.

When a Bullet is optimized, it is one of the most enjoyable and unique riding experiences available.

I will never forget what it feels like to ride a Bullet.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Black fingernail on February 06, 2021, 08:28:55 pm
Ok, these bikes are a bit quirky and archaic, that is precisely why we love 'em!
It looks and sounds like you have the makings of a good 'un. Just ride it for a bit before drilling holes, or changing things too much.
I'm heading for two years ownership of mine, after a few teething troubles, she ran very reliably, unfortunately the p.o. was not much good at maintenance and repair, so a few bodges needed to be put right. I have altered many things, mostly cosmetic, but, the main thing was the seat, I could not live with the sprung saddle, so I have fitted a custom dual seat. The bits that don't seem to age well, are anything made of rubber, (don't replace them with Indian made), and the wiring, it seems to get brittle, and the fittings are a bit nasty.
I love commuting, and generally playing around the bay on mine in nice weather.
This is an old pic, she has altered a bit since, due to lockdown and artistic licence.

Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 06, 2021, 08:58:55 pm
I was brought up on BSAs. Unfortunately they have been out if production so long that it’s very difficult to find a reasonably priced one that hasn’t been butchered. I’d say most are over priced. The good thing about Royal Enfields is that they remained in production for much longer, the prices are lower and spares prices are very readily available.

But you do have to “sort them out”. Which for me is part of the satisfaction of owning one, as per my reference to Pistachio nuts.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Adrian II on February 06, 2021, 09:12:00 pm
Unless, of course, the sorting out has already been done for you. Sounds like Mid Mod has got(ten) himself one of the better ones, in which case, enjoy!  ;)

A.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 06, 2021, 10:14:51 pm
I hope he has got a good one. As you will have read here and elsewhere, my 350 had two fairly major problems and was likely to have been the reason I became the fifth owner when it had only done a total of 3,000 miles.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Bilgemaster on February 07, 2021, 12:22:34 am
Don’t worry, I’m not deterred. I just don’t know why these guys are pooping at my party.

Excellent! Sarcasm in the face of adversity and nay-sayers. I'm glad to hear you're pressing on.

You mention a 535 piston being in there. That's excellent news. Like I said, someone spared no expense tarting that gal up. Was the connecting rod also replaced, or any other improvements made to the bottom end? If you don't know then you may want to ask that dealer. Not that I've upgraded mine yet, but I've been led to understand that when increasing the performance like that it is also highly advisable to beef up those cranky bits.

Also, earlier you mentioned a "cold workshop." Nobody wants to wrench with a snot icicle forming on one's nose. It's just not conducive to getting one's timeless and contemplative Zen on. Down here in "Shirtsleevy February" Virginia I probably got no business advising stoic Northmen such as yourself on beating the cold, but for under $20 you can pick up one of those "Milkhouse Heaters" to really take the edge off: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Utility-Milkhouse-Style-Electric-Space-Heater-1500W-Indoor-Use-Black-Model-DQ2016/642591645. It won't turn a single car garage into a sauna, but it will make it comfortable. Sure it's a bit "buzzy" and "primitive"--rather like a Bullet--but for less than a Tubman does the job. It does have an automatic tip-over cutoff switch for safety and also an anti-freezing thermostat setting where it'll only kick on when it's getting really frigid. Although rated at 1,500 Watts, I've also found that one of those little Harbor Freight 900 Watt rated 2-stroke generators will just dig in there at about mid-thermostat setting and pump out those BTUs--handy in the event of a winter power outage. It also has a plain fan setting for warmer months and is metal and rugged as all hell.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 10, 2021, 02:27:18 am
I have lots of little questions regarding this bike that I haven’t ridden and don’t dare start until the sprag comes out.

How fast can I cruise at?  I know all bikes are a bit different but I’d like to go 55 for up to an hour at a time.

What is the week link in these engines? I think it’s the crank from doing a little reading but what’s the next week link?

Just how bad is the feel of the shifter? It seems like it’s not really connected to anything.

The amp meter didn’t really move from center. Is this normal? I’ll put a meter on it and measure when it’s warm out.

I might have more questions soon
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 10, 2021, 03:48:01 am
RE Q's & A's:
How fast can I cruise at?  I know all bikes are a bit different but I’d like to go 55 for up to an hour at a time.
"55 all day, 65 for awhile, 80 one time" Good clean fresh oil & filter, don't lug it, don't buzz it. Let it run "easy". These do well with a "Mechanically Sympathetic" (Trademark AdrianII) rider. The gear ratios determine your speed on an incline. Depending on your poundage, the angle, wind, etc. you drop gears until the Old Girl is "running freely" as you climb. Don't lug, don't buzz. It's 1940 all over again - be happy you aren't on an ox or mule! Unless it flattens out, you can be stuck in 2nd or 3rd a long time. All part of the charm. For about $2500 you can change all that, but there are a LOT of used low mileage FAST modern motorcycles available for $2500...

What is the weak link in these engines? I think it’s the crank from doing a little reading but what’s the next week link?
OEM Pistons have a habit of dropping skirts. Don't thrash it. Hitchcocks sells a lovely forged 6.5:1 piston with fitted alloy barrel, should live atop the OEM bottom end quite well. Weekend project as it's a pushrod motor.

Just how bad is the feel of the shifter? It seems like it’s not really connected to anything. Convert to Right Hand shift and be happy. The bike was designed for it and resents the LH shift bodge. You'll toss away 5 pounds of scrap metal too. Be aware there IS a learning curve when you change over ... :o

The amp meter didn’t really move from center. Is this normal? I’ll put a meter on it and measure when it’s warm out. The ammeter is mostly used to determine TDC for starting - it swings left when the points close, back to centre when they open. Headlight is regulated AC and so doesn't show up on the DC ammeter. Horn, turn signals, maybe the brake light, all will create a little deflection when the engine is off. Both of my Bullets waggle wildly at idle. Full deflection seems to roughly indicate 5 amps, but mostly useful for starting. A voltmeter would probably be more useful overall, but new ammeters are fairly cheap. Change it out.

Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 10, 2021, 04:32:25 am
I grew up on a farm and we had ancient equipment. Everything had to be run in it’s sweet spot. So I’m very familiar with and enjoy an engine running smooth and free.
The piston is newer as I hear it’s 535cc now so I bet it’s a decent quality one.
I would like to swap to right shift but I don’t  know if I have money or time right now. If I sell my other bike I would love to get a 5 speed and do it right.
As far as the amp meter. I’ve only heard the bike run for a few minutes and wasn’t paying attention to it like I should have. As long as it’s charging, I’m happy.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 10, 2021, 08:34:05 am
If the battery is fully charged, the ammeter won’t show much on the “+” side, so it sounds like yours is a good one.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 15, 2021, 06:39:41 pm
I’m sitting waiting for the plumber and dreaming of warmer weather. I was in the garage for 15 minutes last night and it was brutal. I made some spacers to raise the back of the seat but it was too much just holding the wrench in -15 degrees. So here’s a couple pics from the ad that got me interested in this awesome machine.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 15, 2021, 09:06:49 pm
Did you get your right side shift kit from H's yet? Just looking at that hinky left-hand shifter bodge brings back bad memories! The install is a good job for AFTER it warms back up; pale blue, stiff fingers really increase the level of difficulty...;D
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 15, 2021, 10:38:40 pm
I haven’t had a chance to do much to it yet. I’m going to clean the tank and remove the sprag. Then ride it while I decide if I want a 5 speed gearbox or if I’m happy with the huge jump from 3rd to fourth. I’m definitely switching to right side shift though.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 15, 2021, 11:13:49 pm
I had luck using OSPHO inside the tank. Ospho is a phosphatizing compound used by painters that bonds with iron rust and converts it to a different form that "resists" rusting, $25 or so a gallon. I used gravel, dish soap, ammonia & vigorous shaking to scuff off the thick rust inside on the bottom by the petcock & cut the gas film. About 3 rounds of that, 2-3 fresh water rinses, then a couple cups of Ospho, tape up the openings and shake well. I let it soak the petcock area for awhile longer then dumped it out and air dried it for a couple days in the sun (in JULY ;D). The cured rusted spots had a nice hard looking dark black/blueish coating. My idea was that unlike tank sealant, it wouldn't peel off in whole sheets, maybe just flake away. So far it has stayed put, I haven't found any rust or "black flakes" in my clear fuel filter.

The 3-4 "jump" is a pain on a hill, but that's all part of the charm, right? On the flats I don't really notice so much. The 5-speed conversion is about a grand, but by all accounts is "da bomb". Wider total spread, no big gaps and a modern shifter vs. the "ratchet" lathe-derived apparatus of the Albion. But learning how to tune up the 4-speed is satisfying in it's own way. I'm with Snidal on the gear oil, it "feels" better in shifting performance to me, and I dunno how grease is supposed to reliably find it's way into some of those blind bushings anyway. Neither of my Bullets has significant leakage even with the standard layshaft open bearing. But to me, any overnight drip puddle smaller than a quarter is gravy! Mostly my Bullets are (relatively) oil tight, I'm not expecting the Space Shuttle or a Honda.

Here's hoping for warmer weather! - ACR -

Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Adrian II on February 16, 2021, 10:08:11 am
If you want to improve the 4 speed gearbox - in addition to the right-foot shift conversion - there is an alternative set of cogs which is supposed to help matters by reducing the gap between 3rd and 4th .

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/4-speed/3279

A.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Tarnand on February 18, 2021, 09:57:54 pm
I had luck using OSPHO inside the tank. Ospho is a phosphatizing compound used by painters that bonds with iron rust and converts it to a different form that "resists" rusting, $25 or so a gallon. I used gravel, dish soap, ammonia & vigorous shaking to scuff off the thick rust inside on the bottom by the petcock & cut the gas film. About 3 rounds of that, 2-3 fresh water rinses, then a couple cups of Ospho, tape up the openings and shake well. I let it soak the petcock area for awhile longer then dumped it out and air dried it for a couple days in the sun (in JULY ;D). The cured rusted spots had a nice hard looking dark black/blueish coating. My idea was that unlike tank sealant, it wouldn't peel off in whole sheets, maybe just flake away. So far it has stayed put, I haven't found any rust or "black flakes" in my clear fuel filter.
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Here's hoping for warmer weather! - ACR -

That is very interesting.   Here is what happened to my tank:  I took my tank to a chemical paint stripping shop.   They have done a beautiful  job stripping the old paint from outside and the old liner on the inside.  I inspected the inside with endoscope – just clean metal with absolutely NO rust. They instructed me to rinse the whole thing thoroughly with water before painting it as they coated it with some rust protecting chemical that was water soluble.  I have done just that then drying it in the sun for a day then pumping inside for a few hours hot air from the hair dryer.  The next day I again left it in the sun for a few hours before coating the inside with KREEM Fuel Tank Liner Kit.  The instructions for the Liner said to use included  Tank Prep Wash/Cleaner first to dissolve rust following treating it with also included Tank Prep Conditioner as the Final Rinse.  Since there was no rust in the tank I decided to skip this step and applied just the liner.  Worked beautifully and the inside of the tank looked like brand new.  Then I had the outside of the tank painted. That was in 2019.   I installed the tank the following summer.  During this time the tank was sitting in the house.  Last summer I had it installed on the bike and while filling it with gasoline I have noticed long cracks in the liner with slightly warped edges and visible rust underneath.  At that time I decided to deal with it the next year, that is 2021.  I am not sure however, what would be the best way to go about it.  I am still wondering if indeed your info would be the best answer to my problem.  After all OSPHO  is an acid and I would hate to see the paint on my tank ruined especially that paint job came out really nice.   How it came out?  There are some still pictures at the beginning of the following video.  Just make sure to set the resolution to 1080p.
https://youtu.be/Klw45pjskog (https://youtu.be/Klw45pjskog)
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 19, 2021, 01:49:01 am
Ospho is admittedly hard on paint, so there is that.
I have never "Kreemed" anything. It's a good product, as are the other similar products. They seem to be exacting in application and a pain if they peel.
I was trying to keep the rusting to a minimum, but I have a 10 micron in line fuel filter for anything that finds its way thru the petcock strainer mesh. So far the Ospho seems to have stabilized the existing rust, I'm not seeing any make it to my inline filter.
I always run an eclectic mix of a bit of Marvel Oil, Sea Foam, Sta-Bil, maybe some fuel dryer and try to keep the tank 75% full or better. Maybe a dollop of castor bean oil in there too just for fun. So with a mostly full tank & somewhat oily gas probably if I'd done nothing other than clean out the loose scale the rust would not become a problem. But it was a fun experiment, it seems to be working reasonably well bonding the rust to the tank as "new improved black iron", and is apparently fuel (& oil) resistant.
"Better Living Thru Chemistry!" I say...( 1960's era Monsanto Slogan adopted by Hippies in San Francisco)
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Tarnand on February 19, 2021, 08:14:59 am
Thanks for the reply AzCal. I will not get to that earlier than May.  Most likely I will start with removing some of the liner to expose the rusted areas.  At this point my main concern is to come up with some effective way of protecting the paint.  I will think of something.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 19, 2021, 09:03:22 am
I have the "old skool" gas cap so there is a protrusion from the tank. A little duct tap lapped across and trimmed to fit, then a final seal of 3-4 laps of electrical tape around the edges to secure it to the spout sides seemed to do the trick. Don't forget the fuel tap - electrical tape was good enough there too.

I forgot about the Naval Jelly I applied to the area inside the tank above the fuel tap port. I poured it in after the gas was scrubbed out, turned the tank so it oozed over the thickest rust patches and let it eat for maybe 30 minutes. Another fresh water rinse cycle or two and it was mostly down to bare metal. The Ospho left a nice treated blackish blue coating where the rust had been. Better than doing nothing and hoping the filter gets it all. Definitely a warm weather job! - ACR -
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 21, 2021, 11:10:21 pm
I’ve finally had time to look over the bike a bit today. I took the air cleaner box off to inspect it and see what it looks like without it. I might switch to a vm32 and a uni style filter. The lack of the air box makes the storage boxes look really wide. If I took those off too I could also put a tiny battery somewhere and have a more streamlined look.
Can anyone post pics of bikes that have had the side boxes, air cleaner box, and battery box removed? I’d appreciate it.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 22, 2021, 02:54:03 am
There is an interesting (small) battery-sized void between the transmission and rear fender lower mount. A battery there would be virtually invisible & take advantage of wasted space. Just needs a little box fabricated.

Taking all the toolboxes off gets you a skeletal look. The toolboxes really get in your way for stand-up off-road use, but for sit-down road riding no problem. The only real downside to the skeletal look is there isn't any good home for your various electrical switches. Doing everything in the casquette gets really busy. If you skip the ammeter & turn signals, the wiring to the casquette gets down to :
1) ground(-),
2) Horn (+) to Ground
3) Kill switch from points
4) headlight (+)
OR
4a) AC to Headlight
4b) AC Common
A few switches in the underseat area can cover ignition, headlights On/Off, etc.

The pod filter is easier to live with, IMHO. If you have a "high-flow" exhaust you may benefit from a bigger carb. The Mikcarb works well enough for a stock engine. If you don't have a known good high performance crank with steel con rod, alloy barrel and a forged piston you'll be sitting on a grenade if you like to throttle up the motor. The stock rods are weak and can break, the OEM pistons tend to drop skirts when you spin up these motors. I'd save my money until I had the basic performance pieces in place. THEN you can pull maybe 35 reliable horses out, and the cams, carb, etc. will become useful, not a liability.


Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Adrian II on February 22, 2021, 11:34:39 am
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There is an interesting (small) battery-sized void between the transmission and rear fender lower mount. A battery there would be virtually invisible & take advantage of wasted space. Just needs a little box fabricated.

You can also get a small battery box under the swinging arm spindle if you're not off-roading. Spot the yellow Motobatt.

(https://i.postimg.cc/nh9DbpBc/DSCN7345.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

However, if your alternator is healthy, do you really need a battery? Just wire in a suitable capacitor if you don't need parking lights, although this assumes you don't have a Boyer Bransden Mk3 electronic ignition fitted!  ;D

But why stop there? To simplify things further, bin the coil ignition altogether and fit a Lucas SR1 magneto and ATD off the late 50's Redditch Bullets, there might be one off a '58 Indian Woodsman (export version of the Bullet) within a couple of hundred miles of you! No ignition wiring (apart from the HT lead) or key switch to worry about, and they bolt right on to the Indian Bullet crankcase.

A.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 22, 2021, 05:19:11 pm
It has an electronic ignition fitted already. I don’t know the brand but how many choices are there for this machine?
I’m so new to this bike and I have a lot of ideas that upon closer scrutiny turn out to be dead ends. But that’s the fun part right?
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Adrian II on February 22, 2021, 08:09:28 pm
Most common electronic replacements for the Lucas-copy points set-up on an Indian Bullet are either one of the various Boyer Bransden analog or digital systems or possibly a Pazon. There was another brand which the former US Royal Enfield importer used to sell, though I can't remember what it was called. Also there was an Indian aftermarket version called the Eureka which was a bit cruder and still used the Bullet's mechanical advance and retard device.

Some of the older electronic ignitions with electronic advance and retard are very fussy about having a good 12V supply to start properly and can be bit of a disaster if the supply is a bit low, either through a poor battery or starting the bike without a battery where this has been replaced by a capacitor, and the alternator is in poor shape. The Mk3 Boyer Bransden Analog was a case in point, if it sensed low voltage, it would go to full advance rather than retard and reward your starting efforts with an uncomfortable back-fire, enough to damage the sprag clutch on electric start bikes as well as ruin the teeth on a Bullet's oil-pump drive shaft.

A.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 23, 2021, 03:59:22 pm
You could simply refit a points plate, capacitor & points. That eliminates the mystery about the source of spark and vastly simplifies timing issues, as you can SEE it work. The Carburettor/Points/Pushrods aspect of the Bullet is one of the main attractions.

Rather the whole point of the Bullet is to get back to a "simpler" motorcycle. Adding EFI, Antilock brakes, Electronic ignition, ad nauseum just gets you back into the present, and there are endless modern lighter, faster, more niche honed machines that benefit from the 80 years of technological advancement by virtue of having started off with a clean sheet of paper and knowledge of what came before.

Unless you have an engine already blessed with about $3,000 worth of needle bearing crank, steel connecting rod, forged piston & steel rings and alloy barrel you aren't going to benefit much from modern trickery, it'll just melt or break if you push it hard trying for more than it's allotted 22 Indian ponies. A little bit of theoretical erraticism from mechanical spark timing goes completely unnoticed at 2500 RPM and 6.5/1 compression ratio. Both my points operated machines start & run perfectly well. You can troubleshoot and even time them if need be on the side of the road with a screwdriver & a grass stem to feel for the piston position. Try that with your Hayabusa!

Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: cyrusb on February 23, 2021, 04:32:31 pm
Amen , brother Retred. I couldn't have said it better. My ignition conversion was a custom made point plate to accept Volkswagen/Mercedes one piece points. Available almost anywhere. As an aside that can be done with the original plate and a drill press.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 23, 2021, 07:34:18 pm
Maybe someone recognizes this trigger and ignition box. I hope it’s decent.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Adrian II on February 23, 2021, 07:58:53 pm
I think that's the Indian Eureka set-up, my suspicion is that, were you to remove the trigger plate (having carefully marked its position first) you'd find the mechanical advance and retard still fitted behind there. I've never heard of them giving trouble.

The Indian Bullet's contact breaker assembly is a copy of the Lucas 4CA, so someone dealing in classic Brit bike spares could also help, if you wanted to revert to points, it looks identical to the kit fitted to my old 1965 250 BSA. Hey, you could even upgrade to the Lucas 6CA!

A.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 23, 2021, 08:35:11 pm
Here you go:

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/2155?qty=1&continue_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com%2Fpartsbook-pages%2F1923
PART No. 144146 ; C/B PLATE, CAM AND AUTOADVANCE UNIT ASSY, 500, 535 AND 350cc AFTER 06/98 ; £77.00

It'll be at your door in 4 - 7 days. The new auto-advance will operate smoothly and the springs will be crisp. Put a drop of oil on the cam wiper pad, make certain it lightly contacts the cam. The tiny film of lube minimizes point arm wear.

Static timing is 0.8mm BTDC; "ping time" from there. Personally the static number has worked OK for me.

Also useful:
https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/tools-engine/9553
PART No. 49622 ; EXTRACTOR, CONTACT BREAKER, 736 INTERCEPTOR SII & Pre-2007 INDIAN BUILT BULLETS ; £5.50

I have one, but so far the adjustment is close enough as so far i haven't needed to use it.


Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: ddavidv on February 24, 2021, 12:37:32 pm
I can understand upgrading(?) to electronic ignition on a bike of higher performance or one where the points are difficult to access. Otherwise, I vastly prefer the simplicity of the mechanical ignition. If set properly (and it's not difficult) starting should be no problem.

The only vehicle I can recall having 'issues' with was my Austin Mini. The point gap would open up after a time and it would run with a bit of a stutter on the highway. The worst part of correcting that was taking the grille off the front to get to the distributor.  :)
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 24, 2021, 03:06:07 pm
Like Ddavidv I am impressed with the basic accessibility of the Bullet for routine maintenance. The stuff you NEED to access is right out there in the open, about eyeball high when the machine is on it's center stand and you're plonked down on the ground next to it, either in the shop or on a roadside grassy knoll. Rather seems like the folks that originally built them actually rode them, all the time, in all weather. I especially appreciate the flip-up rear fender lash up for flat repair - no need to tilt the machine over precariously whilst balancing on the center stand...just flip up the tail and the tyre comes straight out the back. Even the greasy bits stay on the machine through the foresight of having designed the sprocket/brake carrier to live on it's own hollow spindle. Just like they knew what they were doing.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 24, 2021, 10:34:08 pm
I consider my Indian home market spec 350 Electra a great compromise between old and new.

Iron barrel engine, but no distributor or points to worry about because it has TCI ignition. All safely tucked away in the primary chain case and a control module under the seat. The absence of drive pinions in the timing case means less engine noise.

It has right hand side gear lever, left side brake, as originally intended so it doesn’t have sloppy cross over mechanisms.

The name “Bullet Electra” normally means the troublesome starter motor or on the AVL engine, a suspect big end bearing assembly. This bike is kickstart only and has the old type bottom end.

I removed its main Achilles heel, the four speed gearbox with the big gap between third and fourth gears, and fitted a five speed one. Now when I get on the bike, I just want to keep on riding.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 24, 2021, 11:37:04 pm
That’s a sweet bike Paul. I like the side panels, very streamlined compared to mine. Is that custom?
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 25, 2021, 02:32:21 am
You need one of these! ;D That Woodsman exhaust is pretty cool.

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/Exhaust-System-Woodsman-Style?&model=

A 5 speed and a front disc; that's about as far into the future as the Bullet needs to go.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 25, 2021, 09:08:02 am
That’s a sweet bike Paul. I like the side panels, very streamlined compared to mine. Is that custom?

I made the side panel myself from a sheet of ally sheet using CAD (Cardboard Aided Design). Very simple really. To hold it in place I fitted “Riv-nuts” in the two holes in the frame tabs that used to take the nuts and bolts holding the top of the original side box. A couple of stainless screws hold the panel on, plus the long bolt holding the battery frame at the bottom. I made it so it covers as much of the aperture as possible so it helps keep road dirt from the back tyre off the bike.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 25, 2021, 09:44:07 am
You need one of these! ;D That Woodsman exhaust is pretty cool.

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/Exhaust-System-Woodsman-Style?&model=

A 5 speed and a front disc; that's about as far into the future as the Bullet needs to go.

The exhaust came from Hitchcock’s as a “used” bargain. It had been fitted on a bike but no signs of it having been run. I had problems with the fixings and it wouldn’t seal in the head for long, causing vibration and popping back. This was because the pipe is only a push fit and the two existing brackets on the system were more or less in a straight line, so there was nothing to stop it moving vertically up and down. I had a fabricator friend make me a third bracket in stainless steel, which triangulates it from the front engine bolt. Now it sits solid and the seal (I used silicon gasket goo) stays intact.

I’ve found the twin leading shoe good enough, having taken time to carefully adjust it although I might fit a heavier cable at some stage.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 25, 2021, 11:33:40 pm
I’d like to make a woodsman style bike but I don’t want to change this one just yet. Those side panels are nice. The stock toolboxes stick out too far for my taste.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 26, 2021, 03:27:25 pm
I kept the left hand toolbox. I keep tools in it!
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: nonfiction on February 26, 2021, 06:09:28 pm
@Paul that bike looks really great with the Woodsman pipe and the solo seat. Lovely proportion to it.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Paul W on February 26, 2021, 06:38:40 pm
Thank you. To be honest, it's taken up far too much expense and a lot of time. My 1991 Honda CB750 Nighthawk doesn't get much use since I bought this bike as a rolling restoration, originally just to rescue it from eBay...but we're only here once and now I like it so much that I'm keeping it.  ;)
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 26, 2021, 11:36:29 pm
I’m very tempted to take off all the heavy stuff on this bike but I’ve ruined things in the past by not following through with my “great” ideas.
Today was the first day in a while that I got to poke around with it and figure out what’s what. I took apart the air box and barely got it back together. The bottom piece doesn’t fit with the top. There’s no way it could seal good enough to keep dirt out. Am I missing a gasket? I know I should download the manual but I don’t have a printer right now. Tomorrow the sprag is coming out, the carb is going back on and I can start it. I’m excited. It should be in the high thirties again so just warm enough to get some stuff done.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 27, 2021, 02:12:48 am
The airbox debacle was why I use a gauze K&N air filter. Simple is good, and it actually keeps the dirt out. Saves 5 unnecessary pounds. Get a piece of 1 1/4" fiber reinforced radiator hose, two hose clamps & toss that OEM carb spigot too. A 1 3/8" piece will do the trick.
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: Mid Mod on February 28, 2021, 12:57:29 am
Ok, the sprag is out. Carb is on. It started second kick. It  tried to start on the first kick but the slide stop was out too far. There was some kickback but the metallic klang was absent this time. The actual sprag looked fine but one of the pawl’s was missing and I didn’t find it anywhere in the primary.
So what kind of ATF should I use and how much?
Title: Re: I’m impulsive so I bought an RE
Post by: AzCal Retred on February 28, 2021, 08:17:59 am
Snidal recommends Type "F" ATF. Mine came with some generic light brown 20W slickery oil in it and slipped badly. About 3 flush cycles with Type F ATF and it was all good. There is a level check plug about two inches up from the bottom of the outer primary case. Close is good.

As far as kick back, mine likes to be somewhere well after TDC (or point break) before applying a "full swinging kick", more inertia developed I guess before the next ignition cycle.