[Michael Johnston]

Hello,
I'm curious as to the reason for changing exhaust pipes on the INT.  I hear sound is a main reason,  weight another.  How about performance? Is there a benefit in performance in changing pipes?

Thank you
Michael
Wabasha Minnesota

[Mort]

Any bolt on stuff on these bikes is only going to give you the most modest of performance bumps, if any at all.

The weight savings is substantial, though, and the exhaust note sounds so much better with a free flowing set of pipes.

I'm sure the resident Exhaust Originalists will be along to contradict me shortly, however. 🤣🤣🤣

[twocoolgliders]

For me it was size...slimmer looks nicer!

Sounds slightly better, can't tell that the weight is less, no performance change whatsoever.

Money probably better spent somewhere else!

Cookie

Hello,
I'm curious as to the reason for changing exhaust pipes on the INT.  I hear sound is a main reason,  weight another.  How about performance? Is there a benefit in performance in changing pipes?

Thank you
Michael
Wabasha Minnesota

[Intybe]

If you're planning on improving performance, exhaust and filter is where most people start. Cams, HC pistons, piggyback ECUs, big bores, etc don't make much sense without free flowing exhaust*

I dunno how much is psychological, but the 15kg weight reduction and slim back end that after market 2-1 provides delights me every look and ride 🤗 ... There's a power to weight ratio that's empirical (-xkg = +yhp) though when the difference becomes noticeable depends on one's sensitivity I guess; or at the race track or drag strip. 

* Will test this theory soon with some roll-ons with a fellow twin owner: both bikes have S&S cam, but his has OEM headers and tuning.

[gizzo]

Looks and sound.

[iblastoff]

mostly weight loss. i switched to a pair of scorpion cans which are about 60% less than the stock ones. they're also physically smaller so they just look better too.

thought about 2-1 but dont want that TEC crap on my bike. and i think it just looks ugly as hell.

[dav]

Will be buying Verex slip-ons within the month. mainly for the exhaust note it produces, weight saving...meh, still gonna be a heavy bike regardless.

[dwhitehorne]

I just put on PowerRage short exhaust.  I did it mostly to reduce the size and weight from the original.  My daughter melted part of her shoe sole on the hot original exhaust.  I can touch the PowerRage exhaust while it is running.  I don't feel anything different power wise but we all know louder is faster     If I keep it under 3500 RPMs its not that much louder than the original exhaust.   David

[tooseevee]

Hello,
I'm curious as to the reason for changing exhaust pipes on the INT.  I hear sound is a main reason,  weight another.  How about performance? Is there a benefit in performance in changing pipes?

Thank you
Michael
Wabasha Minnesota

           ANY attempt to make these new highly restricted, government-controlled engines, run any better than they do from the factory must begin with improvements to the intake & exhaust systems (and now, of course, all kinds of electronic problems I don't even preTEND to know well added to the mix).

            And none of this is anything new; it was well underway in earnest in the '70s with yards of air hoses, various kinds of "air pumps", gulp valves, two-barrel carbs that were forced to run on one barrel by government mandates, ridiculous timing, forced detuning of engines that was ridiculous.

               

[iblastoff]

Will be buying Verex slip-ons within the month. mainly for the exhaust note it produces, weight saving...meh, still gonna be a heavy bike regardless.

Yep agreed. Still heavy feeling. I really don’t think you can strip much from this bike and actually get a noticeable change in weight. Bike seems top heavy or something.

[JIMIBLAZE]

I've managed to strip quite a bit of weight off the stock bike (incl the end cans and headers) and definitely feel the difference when riding a standard one back to back with mine!

[hehehemann]

It was for sound for me. Went cheap with slip ons, bought the universal muffler stainless steel ones on Amazon for $100 a set of two. They are great! Bike looks better with slimmer pipes, they are so much lighter and sound really good, its become addictive to keep revving the bike, the sound of these bikes unrestricted is gorgeous.

[NJ Mike]

For me, the changes I made to the bike were to make it more powerful and efficient. The exhaust cans were a no brainer, far less weight and a bit better breathing. I put on the S&S cans with the db killers in so they are not so annoyingly loud. I prefer them because they are a factory option and are muted enough not to get me pulled over in NY State and certain municipalities here in NJ where they have strict noise laws.

Just as an FYI, I did try less expensive cans, and they made the bike run worse than the stock cans with the db killers, and significantly worse without the db killers. But they made a lot more noise which gave me a headache on long rides. The S&S seemed to work better.

I already had the Booster Plug and the DNA filter installed with the snorkel deleted to open up the intake. The full combo made only a very slight difference in performance, but did make throttle response more crisp.

Then there's more to do if you want a bit more power. You can get open head pipes to increase exhaust flow, and also save a ton of weight. Hitchcocks makes a nice pair. At this point, you'll need either a PowerTronic or Power Commander to deal with the higher air flow through the engine.

And why stop there. Hitchcocks also make a very nice cam that will beef up midrange torque and high end HP.

But wait, there's more! At this point a nice set of high compression 650 pistons will certainly make everything better. And I'm here to tell you that yes, they can and do make a very noticeable difference. Even without dyno tuning and just a canned map in the PC had it making 57 hp instead of the 40-42 it makes stock at the rear wheel. The character of the bike is still intact, with even more low to midrange grunt, and much higher HP numbers, and still returning 60+ mpg even while riding with great enthusiasm. It doesn't make more heat, that I can feel, over the stock motor, and not so much power as to be overwhelm the brakes, frame and running gear.

It's all a slippery slope. Exhaust cans are the entry drug. But tons of fun along the way, and the bike lost about 30+ pounds. Now if only I could do the same on my body.

[CPJS]

I fitted the TEC Stinger.
For me it was the combination of power gain and a lot of weight loss both of which are  very noticable, the sound improvement (with baffles) was a welcome bonus but not a reason for purchase.
Looks are in the eye of the beholder, I think it looks good, but again, not a reason for purchase.
Another bonus gain is the reduction in width of the bike, allowing me to more easily get the bike in an out of a very crowded garage
Another rider of a stock RE had a go, he commented on the weight difference as soon as he took it of the side stand and loved the way it goes, much better than his bike.

[JessHerbst]

Place soapbox on floor.
Step up on soap box.

Besides the extra sound(irritatingly loud,IMO) you are also producing more pollution with the after market pipes.
The weight you are saving comes from removing the cats.

Step down.
Put away soap box.
 

[NJ Mike]

Place soapbox on floor.
Step up on soap box.

Besides the extra sound(irritatingly loud,IMO) you are also producing more pollution with the after market pipes.
The weight you are saving comes from removing the cats.

Step down.
Put away soap box.

Indeed, you are correct.

[Starpeve]

Place soapbox on floor.
Step up on soap box.

Besides the extra sound(irritatingly loud,IMO) you are also producing more pollution with the after market pipes.
The weight you are saving comes from removing the cats.

Step down.
Put away soap box.

Haven’t seen a line trimmer or lawnmower with cats, but they obviously don’t pump benzine etc into our pristine atmosphere.

[JessHerbst]

Haven’t seen a line trimmer or lawnmower with cats, but they obviously don’t pump benzine etc into our pristine atmosphere.

You’re right! Since there are still some engines that pollute, we should just give up and let every engine pollute, what the hell was I thinking?
 Plus, you want to make sure your bike is loud enough to properly advertise the size of your willie…

[Hoiho]

For me, the changes I made to the bike were to make it more powerful and efficient. The exhaust cans were a no brainer, far less weight and a bit better breathing. I put on the S&S cans with the db killers in so they are not so annoyingly loud. I prefer them because they are a factory option and are muted enough not to get me pulled over in NY State and certain municipalities here in NJ where they have strict noise laws.

Just as an FYI, I did try less expensive cans, and they made the bike run worse than the stock cans with the db killers, and significantly worse without the db killers. But they made a lot more noise which gave me a headache on long rides. The S&S seemed to work better.

I already had the Booster Plug and the DNA filter installed with the snorkel deleted to open up the intake. The full combo made only a very slight difference in performance, but did make throttle response more crisp.

Then there's more to do if you want a bit more power. You can get open head pipes to increase exhaust flow, and also save a ton of weight. Hitchcocks makes a nice pair. At this point, you'll need either a PowerTronic or Power Commander to deal with the higher air flow through the engine.

And why stop there. Hitchcocks also make a very nice cam that will beef up midrange torque and high end HP.

But wait, there's more! At this point a nice set of high compression 650 pistons will certainly make everything better. And I'm here to tell you that yes, they can and do make a very noticeable difference. Even without dyno tuning and just a canned map in the PC had it making 57 hp instead of the 40-42 it makes stock at the rear wheel. The character of the bike is still intact, with even more low to midrange grunt, and much higher HP numbers, and still returning 60+ mpg even while riding with great enthusiasm. It doesn't make more heat, that I can feel, over the stock motor, and not so much power as to be overwhelm the brakes, frame and running gear.

It's all a slippery slope. Exhaust cans are the entry drug. But tons of fun along the way, and the bike lost about 30+ pounds. Now if only I could do the same on my body.

Have you cured the pre-ignition under load?

[twocoolgliders]

electric motorcycle for you?

Cookie

Place soapbox on floor.
Step up on soap box.

Besides the extra sound(irritatingly loud,IMO) you are also producing more pollution with the after market pipes.
The weight you are saving comes from removing the cats.

Step down.
Put away soap box.

[Breezin]

Haven’t seen a line trimmer or lawnmower with cats, but they obviously don’t pump benzine etc into our pristine atmosphere.

Should be letting the wildflower meadows grow. Only sayin'!

[NJ Mike]

Have you cured the pre-ignition under load?

The bike is currently awaiting a remap of the stock ECU with Steve my tuner, who says he can do more with less. I've told him about the issue, and he's quite sure that it won't be a problem. I switched to colder plugs, NGK 9 iridiums, as opposed to the 8's I was running, and it ran great, and pinged less.

Methinks, as does Steve, that a bit more fuel at WOT, maybe a 2-3 degrees retarded with the ignition timing, and the pings will be a thing of the past. We'll see. Fingers crossed.

The bike runs like gangbusters otherwise.

[Intybe]

Place soapbox on floor.
Step up on soap box.

Besides the extra sound(irritatingly loud,IMO) you are also producing more pollution with the after market pipes.
The weight you are saving comes from removing the cats.

Step down.
Put away soap box.

Soapbox or not, Jess, you know this is a partial truth at best; no reason for spreading misinformation.
https://www.sscycle.com/products/qualifier-2-1-50-state-exhaust-system-stainless-steel-with-black-endcap-for-2019-21-royal-enfield-650-models/

[Intybe]

You’re right! Since there are still some engines that pollute, we should just give up and let every engine pollute, what the hell was I thinking?
 Plus, you want to make sure your bike is loud enough to properly advertise the size of your willie…

🔥 Ooh! but y'know when a girl goes after a bloke's wizzle, some may think she's harbouring a certain kind of envy 🙄; as with mental health, better to put down that pen(is) and walk away 😜

ps here in Oz an inverse relation is advertised
https://www.roadsafetyfacility.org/publications/advertising-campaign-pinkie

[Intybe]

The bike is currently awaiting a remap of the stock ECU with Steve my tuner, who says he can do more with less. I've told him about the issue, and he's quite sure that it won't be a problem. I switched to colder plugs, NGK 9 iridiums, as opposed to the 8's I was running, and it ran great, and pinged less.

Methinks, as does Steve, that a bit more fuel at WOT, maybe a 2-3 degrees retarded with the ignition timing, and the pings will be a thing of the past. We'll see. Fingers crossed.

The bike runs like gangbusters otherwise.

Didn't I read here somewhere that you should fit 7s?

[Michael Johnston]

Thanks for all the replies.  I'm not on a quest for power other than to have the bike run optimal, the best it can given what it is, and I prefer a quiet ride actually. 
My wife rides a Honda VTX 1800 with a sidecar carrying three dogs and I have to try to keep up with her. 

[iblastoff]

Thanks for all the replies.  I'm not on a quest for power other than to have the bike run optimal, the best it can given what it is, and I prefer a quiet ride actually. 
My wife rides a Honda VTX 1800 with a sidecar carrying three dogs and I have to try to keep up with her.

wait what. 3 dogs in a sidecar? need pics!

[JessHerbst]

Soapbox or not, Jess, you know this is a partial truth at best; no reason for spreading misinformation.
https://www.sscycle.com/products/qualifier-2-1-50-state-exhaust-system-stainless-steel-with-black-endcap-for-2019-21-royal-enfield-650-models/

If you believe those pipes have a catalytic converter in them I have a bridge I can make you a hell of a deal on.

[Intybe]

If you believe those pipes have a catalytic converter in them I have a bridge I can make you a hell of a deal on.

Actually, it looks like they've got two. Are you saying they're lying?!😱

[JessHerbst]

Actually, it looks like they've got two. Are you saying they're lying?!😱

No, they indeed have two cats in the header, same as the stock headers. But they have no cats in the silencers, which is where the weight loss comes from.
 So you are going from a 4 cat system to a 2 cat system, same as leaving stock headers and replacing the slip on silencers.
 I’m no cat expert, but I believe 4 cats produce less pollution then two.

[Starpeve]

You’re right! Since there are still some engines that pollute, we should just give up and let every engine pollute, what the hell was I thinking?
 Plus, you want to make sure your bike is loud enough to properly advertise the size of your willie…

Seeing as how it’s only first world countries that apparently pollute, I’d better jump right on the tons of emissions that my GT is spewing into the atmosphere. My hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Oh, and by the way- it’s my willie and I’ll brandish and advertise it as I wish, as I am indeed able to do, courtesy of evolution. I don’t need any pronouns to wave around.

[iblastoff]

No, they indeed have two cats in the header, same as the stock headers. But they have no cats in the silencers, which is where the weight loss comes from.
 So you are going from a 4 cat system to a 2 cat system, same as leaving stock headers and replacing the slip on silencers.
 I’m no cat expert, but I believe 4 cats produce less pollution then two.

hope this helps!

[Intybe]

No, they indeed have two cats in the header, same as the stock headers. But they have no cats in the silencers, which is where the weight loss comes from.
 So you are going from a 4 cat system to a 2 cat system, same as leaving stock headers and replacing the slip on silencers.
 I’m no cat expert, but I believe 4 cats produce less pollution then two.

Hi Jess, the main point is that S&S state the pipes weigh 29 pounds less than OEM and are noise and cat compliant... Are some pipes more cat compliant?🤔

I'm no pipe expert either, but my sense is the weight savings are in the materials and construction of the headers and cans, not the cat part which is just some  fuzzy wuzzy light weight ethereal chemicals reacting to heat - kinda like me 🤗 For example, the OEM headers are double walled iron age steel, so there's twice thrice the weight of aftermarkets alone saved.

[dav]

You’re right! Since there are still some engines that pollute, …

Like these events that probably happen every weekend in multiple locations across the world, iam not to worried about pollution emitting from my 650.
https://youtu.be/ZNb-x5VHciQ

[RecoilRob]

Didn't I read here somewhere that you should fit 7s?

NGK heat numbers go colder as they increase...9's are colder than 8's ect.   Other brands do the opposite with the colder plugs having lower numbers.   Stock heat range for the RE650 is a '7' NGK but any performance application should probably go with the colder plugs and not go warmer unless fouling problems are encountered.

Regarding performance:  Replacement cans normally do bump up the midrange torque a bit and work fine with stock tuning.   Replacement Big Bore headers didn't do anything more for my bike until I tuned it with the PT....this with stock cam.  With cam and pipes they for sure need alternate tuning to make best use of the increased exhaust flow.     

[JIMIBLAZE]

The weight you are saving comes from removing the cats.

No, definitely not true.. only partly

[NJ Mike]

Didn't I read here somewhere that you should fit 7s?

For a bone stock bike, yes. For a bike with more open breathing, one stop colder is probably a good idea. For a cam and high compression pistons, even colder.

[Intybe]

Hey Rob and Mike, my apologies, I really should've added a wink to indicate an ironic reference to the recent multipage thread on sparkplugs, from which I suspect a few members are still recovering 🤦‍♂️ Still, it's good you've posted summary positions for those that missed the fun 😅 Fixed now 🙏 

Didn't I read here somewhere that you should fit 7s? 😉

NGK heat numbers go colder as they increase...9's are colder than 8's ect.   Other brands do the opposite with the colder plugs having lower numbers.   Stock heat range for the RE650 is a '7' NGK but any performance application should probably go with the colder plugs and not go warmer unless fouling problems are encountered.

For a bone stock bike, yes. For a bike with more open breathing, one stop colder is probably a good idea. For a cam and high compression pistons, even colder.

[Intybe]

Like these events that probably happen every weekend in multiple locations across the world, iam not to worried about pollution emitting from my 650.
https://youtu.be/ZNb-x5VHciQ

Smokin!... I'm sure it's an exciting day out for some 🤔
Mildly more entertaining (I mean there's movement and dirt being spun up!) Ultimate Challenge's Truck Pull Day confirmed these guys are doing the heavy lifting when it comes to polluting for fun! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGx7vXdDyWk
Like Dav says, sleep easy... if you dare 🙃

[RecoilRob]

Hey Rob and Mike, my apologies, I really should've added a wink to indicate an ironic reference to the recent multipage thread on sparkplugs, from which I suspect a few members are still recovering 🤦‍♂️ Still, it's good you've posted summary positions for those that missed the fun 😅 Fixed now 🙏

One of the weaknesses of communicating via text is you lose the ability to do subtle sarcasm that would be obvious in person with just a smile or raised eyebrow to give it away.   I was pretty sure you're on the same page with the plugs..but wanted to be sure.

[Intybe]

One of the weaknesses of communicating via text is you lose the ability to do subtle sarcasm that would be obvious in person with just a smile or raised eyebrow to give it away.   I was pretty sure you're on the same page with the plugs..but wanted to be sure.

Yep, 8s installed, running sweet as 👍🙏

[Starpeve]

Like these events that probably happen every weekend in multiple locations across the world, iam not to worried about pollution emitting from my 650.
https://youtu.be/ZNb-x5VHciQ

Not to mention the horrendous emissions from every rocket launch that everybody in the world appears to applaud. The figures are staggering in their sheer defiance of emission reduction. But for f***’s sake, don’t modify your exhaust. The incongruity of peoples’ stance on these issues is laughable. Like measuring emissions per capita. So a huge country with small population like Australia cops it up the Khyber, while China gets a pass, whilst emmiting 100,000 times the volume. What a snow job.

[Haggisman2]

What about aeroplanes, they don't have clean exhausts

[gizzo]

What about aeroplanes, they don't have clean exhausts

That bothers me, too. People who make a big song and dance about their solar panels and hybrid cars and think nothing of jetting off to Europe on a whim and for no reason other than pleasure. Puhleeez.

I love the way my vintage Victa 2 stroke mower screams and fills my yard (and the neighbour's) with sweet sweet 2 stroke smoke on a calm summer evening. Smoking is cool, kids.

[iblastoff]

a lot of bizarre whataboutism argumentation here. i thought i was one of the younger ones on this board but a lot of you argue like children with no sense of logic.

OBVIOUSLY motorcycles are part of a very small pie of a larger shit pie. that doesn't discount that removing CATs adds to pollution.

thats like saying you can't fight for climate change if you happen to take a bus that uses gas or you cant be vegan if you're photographer cause theres gelatin in film. we all have to participate in this construct that currently exists. disregarding a valid point by using some stupid WHAT ABOUT THIS THOUGH argument is dumb and adds absolutely no value.

[CPJS]

I pretty much agree with what you say, however the argument ref decatting a bike and the extra pollution it may create is nothing compared to the fact that we pleasure riders are burning fossil fuels for fun. How is that different to jumping on a plane to go somewhere. Surely not riding a bike at all is much is better for the atmosphere.
I am not defending or accusing anyone, I am as guilty as the rest of us.

[JessHerbst]

a lot of bizarre whataboutism argumentation here. i thought i was one of the younger ones on this board but a lot of you argue like children with no sense of logic.

OBVIOUSLY motorcycles are part of a very small pie of a larger shit pie. that doesn't discount that removing CATs adds to pollution.

thats like saying you can't fight for climate change if you happen to take a bus that uses gas or you cant be vegan if you're photographer cause theres gelatin in film. we all have to participate in this construct that currently exists. disregarding a valid point by using some stupid WHAT ABOUT THIS THOUGH argument is dumb and adds absolutely no value.

+1

[Streetliight]

Lots of conversation in here, which is wonderful.

I'm not going to beat around the bush though, I swapped my slip-ons out because I like the sound it makes. There, I said it. 29 years old, and still a child at heart 

[Starpeve]

a lot of bizarre whataboutism argumentation here. i thought i was one of the younger ones on this board but a lot of you argue like children with no sense of logic.

OBVIOUSLY motorcycles are part of a very small pie of a larger shit pie. that doesn't discount that removing CATs adds to pollution.

thats like saying you can't fight for climate change if you happen to take a bus that uses gas or you cant be vegan if you're photographer cause theres gelatin in film. we all have to participate in this construct that currently exists. disregarding a valid point by using some stupid WHAT ABOUT THIS THOUGH argument is dumb and adds absolutely no value.

Apart from demonstrating the relative hypocrisy?

[Breezin]

a lot of bizarre whataboutism argumentation here. i thought i was one of the younger ones on this board but a lot of you argue like children with no sense of logic.

OBVIOUSLY motorcycles are part of a very small pie of a larger shit pie. that doesn't discount that removing CATs adds to pollution.

thats like saying you can't fight for climate change if you happen to take a bus that uses gas or you cant be vegan if you're photographer cause theres gelatin in film. we all have to participate in this construct that currently exists. disregarding a valid point by using some stupid WHAT ABOUT THIS THOUGH argument is dumb and adds absolutely no value.

Bravo. Well said, man.

[gizzo]

a lot of bizarre whataboutism argumentation here. i thought i was one of the younger ones on this board but a lot of you argue like children with no sense of logic.

OBVIOUSLY motorcycles are part of a very small pie of a larger shit pie. that doesn't discount that removing CATs adds to pollution.

thats like saying you can't fight for climate change if you happen to take a bus that uses gas or you cant be vegan if you're photographer cause theres gelatin in film. we all have to participate in this construct that currently exists. disregarding a valid point by using some stupid WHAT ABOUT THIS THOUGH argument is dumb and adds absolutely no value.

It's not about whataboutism. It's about who the fcuk are you to begrudge a person a small amount of enjoyment from their personal property while you drive your big block powered motorhome with the air con blaring out the open window down to the local Walmart to slurp down a bale of freedom fries and a 2 pound grain fed Royale with "cheese", just because it doesn't align with whatever pop psychology term you lazily cherry picked from your latest feminist podcast. Like Steve said, the "whatism" is just a smokescreen to cover up what is IRL, just hipocrisy.

I hope I have added value.

Rant off.

[Starpeve]

It's not about whataboutism. It's about who the fcuk are you to begrudge a person a small amount of enjoyment from their personal property while you drive your big block powered motorhome with the air con blaring out the open window down to the local Walmart to slurp down a bale of freedom fries and a 2 pound grain fed Royale with "cheese", just because it doesn't align with whatever pop psychology term you lazily cherry picked from your latest feminist podcast. Like Steve said, the "whatism" is just a smokescreen to cover up what is IRL, just hipocrisy.

I hope I have added value.

Rant off.

Greta would be mortified 😁

[Intybe]

It's not about whataboutism. It's about who the fcuk are you to begrudge a person a small amount of enjoyment from their personal property while you drive your big block powered motorhome with the air con blaring out the open window down to the local Walmart to slurp down a bale of freedom fries and a 2 pound grain fed Royale with "cheese", just because it doesn't align with whatever pop psychology term you lazily cherry picked from your latest feminist podcast. Like Steve said, the "whatism" is just a smokescreen to cover up what is IRL, just hipocrisy.

I hope I have added value.

Rant off.

So the xmas party's off guys, unless someone else is willing to organise the seating plan 🤯🥴🤪😬

[Starpeve]

It's not about whataboutism. It's about who the fcuk are you to begrudge a person a small amount of enjoyment from their personal property while you drive your big block powered motorhome with the air con blaring out the open window down to the local Walmart to slurp down a bale of freedom fries and a 2 pound grain fed Royale with "cheese", just because it doesn't align with whatever pop psychology term you lazily cherry picked from your latest feminist podcast. Like Steve said, the "whatism" is just a smokescreen to cover up what is IRL, just hipocrisy.

I hope I have added value.

Rant off.

Here’s a pic of my 5.7 litre V8 Thundberg!
Note vegetarian dog in foreground , frolicking on eco- friendly hand- cut carbon sink lawn.😁

[Pitch]

So the xmas party's off guys, unless someone else is willing to organise the seating plan 🤯🥴🤪😬

Haha, surely Bilgemaster's warning lights are flashing.

[Intybe]

Haha, surely Bilgemaster's warning lights are flashing.

Nah, not until someone mentions hitler 🤭
But he'll be super bummed coz he loves a feast!
🍗🥩🍠🍤🥧🍰🍨🥂🍺🥳... 😢

[gizzo]

I want cake too... 😭

Goes and sits in the naughty corner.

[oldphart]

It's not about whataboutism. It's about who the fcuk are you to begrudge a person a small amount of enjoyment from their personal property while you drive your big block powered motorhome with the air con blaring out the open window down to the local Walmart to slurp down a bale of freedom fries and a 2 pound grain fed Royale with "cheese", just because it doesn't align with whatever pop psychology term you lazily cherry picked from your latest feminist podcast. Like Steve said, the "whatism" is just a smokescreen to cover up what is IRL, just hipocrisy.

I hope I have added value.

Rant off.

sic 'em @gizzo   

[gizzo]

Greta would be mortified 😁

[JessHerbst]

It's not about whataboutism. It's about who the fcuk are you to begrudge a person a small amount of enjoyment from their personal property while you drive your big block powered motorhome with the air con blaring out the open window down to the local Walmart to slurp down a bale of freedom fries and a 2 pound grain fed Royale with "cheese", just because it doesn't align with whatever pop psychology term you lazily cherry picked from your latest feminist podcast. Like Steve said, the "whatism" is just a smokescreen to cover up what is IRL, just hipocrisy.

I hope I have added value.

Rant off.

H
Darling Gizzo, maybe a little exposure to a couple of feminist podcasts could do you some good, go ahead and try it, it won’t hurt, I promise!

[Starpeve]

H
Darling Gizzo, maybe a little exposure to a couple of feminist podcasts could do you some good, go ahead and try it, it won’t hurt, I promise!

Sorry Jess, the whole feminist movement has been hijacked by woke fuckwits. Most women apparently hate the movement now.
I’m all for equality, in it’s manifold complicated essence. But reality and fairness has been eschewed for a blanket “ anything you can do I can do “ ethos.
Which is nonsense, as any clear minded individual must surely comprehend.
Balance is what’s in short shrift, and unfortunately all feminists are lumped in together with the idiots.
I love women, in music , literature, art etc. and I respect most women immensely. Just can’t abide arseholes. Male or female.
And the Bowdlerisation of terminology and nomenclature is offensively illogical and counterproductive. Honey vs vinegar.

[gizzo]

H
Darling Gizzo, maybe a little exposure to a couple of feminist podcasts could do you some good, go ahead and try it, it won’t hurt, I promise!

Nar, I'm good thanks. I have to wash my hair.

[JessHerbst]

Sorry Jess, the whole feminist movement has been hijacked by woke fuckwits. Most women apparently hate the movement now.
I’m all for equality, in it’s manifold complicated essence. But reality and fairness has been eschewed for a blanket “ anything you can do I can do “ ethos.
Which is nonsense, as any clear minded individual must surely comprehend.
Balance is what’s in short shrift, and unfortunately all feminists are lumped in together with the idiots.
I love women, in music , literature, art etc. and I respect most women immensely. Just can’t abide arseholes. Male or female.
And the Bowdlerisation of terminology and nomenclature is offensively illogical and counterproductive. Honey vs vinegar.

I can assure you that ‘most women’  by no means hate feminism. That is a white male superiority phantasy.
You say you respect women, yet you clearly indicate that you believe yourself superior.

[Dantheman]

This has gone a long way off course, and it's going to be more suited to the "Campfire talk" section instead of trying to tidy the thread up.

Feel free to restart the thread in the 650 section, but lets try and keep that it on topic

[JIMIBLAZE]

I can assure you that ‘most women’  by no means hate feminism. That is a white male superiority phantasy.
You say you respect women, yet you clearly indicate that you believe yourself superior.

Jesus... this is a bike forum... keep your woke feminist agenda to yourself!

How is this person indicating their superiority over women exactly??

Just a bunch of antagonistic, constant holier than thou, patronizing BS from certain forum members here.

LOVE women.... hate these B's!

[Starpeve]

I can assure you that ‘most women’  by no means hate feminism. That is a white male superiority phantasy.
You say you respect women, yet you clearly indicate that you believe yourself superior.

That feminist remark came directly from stuff I’ve been reading FROM females who feel let down by the movement. And your superiority comment indicates your mindset. I’m not superior, I’m a comfortable male. Superior at some things, inferior at others. Competent at most.
Take from that what you will.

[motoboy]

My reasons making me want to swap:

- functionality -- get them out of the way to: A) aid lane-splitting in dense CA traffic, and B) avoid passenger boots hitting & marking up exhaust (super close/very little wiggle room for passenger's feet)
- sound -- also somewhat functional -- cars don't hear stock exhaust, and also as a driver I appreciate a louder bike to know when to give room for lane-splitting (CA law)

My reasons for not wanting to swap:

- VOIDS warranty -- at least according to Triumph San Diego (my local dealer) -- "These SS mufflers were developed & designed together with Royal Enfield. Any other aftermarket muffler will void Royal Enfield's motorcycle warranty." I imagine for engine alone, but either way that is big downside. There are so many beautiful pipes on eBay but I imagine they don't sell that much because of this reason, but I do plan to change mine out after awhile, i.e. after I see this bike prove itself some.

For those whom have changed their exhaust to non-S&S pipes, did you wait until the 3 years expired (just recently for first models/2019) or did you just do it anyway since it seems almost anything can void your warranty?

[Intybe]

🪵🔥 On the positive side, a camp-fire is some consolation for Xmas dinner being cancelled... Marshmallows, anyone?

 

sound

Ps welcome motoboy, you might want to read the thread: loud pipes save lives on the 650 page. I was hoping things would settle down here, so that Starpeve could be vulnerable and lament the impact high fuel prices are having on his circle work and where jess might feel safe to share a few of her favourite feminist podcasts, etc; it's like you've walked into camp with a grenade and asked what's this?

[Starpeve]

🪵🔥 On the positive side, a camp-fire is some consolation for Xmas dinner being cancelled... Marshmallows, anyone?

Yeah, piss weak to me. What’s next, being shunted elsewhere because you advocate British Imperial Standards over Metric? Censorship agravates  me on every level. If the posters are happy to continue the direction , so WTF? Several contributors seemed to like to chime in.
And it wasn’t hostile or nasty. Yawn.

[GlennF]

As a resident of the campfire channel I object to all this ridiculous nonsense being moved into our area.

We have particular topics we like to discuss like Greta and the evil's of California and Sweden.

Please move this rubbish  back where it came from.

[Intybe]

As a resident of the campfire channel I object to all this ridiculous nonsense being moved into our area.

We have particular topics we like to discuss like Greta and the evil's of California and Sweden.

Please move this rubbish  back where it came from.

So this is how a refugee feels! 😔

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=894v6kNSYu8

[Starpeve]

As a resident of the campfire channel I object to all this ridiculous nonsense being moved into our area.

We have particular topics we like to discuss like Greta and the evil's of California and Sweden.

Please move this rubbish  back where it came from.

Actually, Greta was obliquely mentioned in this thread so I guess it qualifies?

[AzCal Retred]

Apparently it pays to increase your word power...so at least we're all on the same page as regards what we're talking about or around.

Bowdlerisation: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bowdlerize

Implicit Bias: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/implicit%20bias

Feminism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism

Woke: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke

Fairness: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fairness

Equitable: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/equitable

Most of this "debate" devolves to the concept of fairness or equitability. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good general guideline, regardless of the original source... The operating assumption behind it is that the need is genuine, the ability is not exploited.

To Motoboy's actual on topic post, in my experience warrantees are driven by the average MTBF (mean time between failure) for the product. Mostly I buy used, and virtually all hardware outlasts the warrantee by a week or so...   It's your machine - customize away! Changing exhaust plumbing affects resonance and gas flow throughout the system. It's both a crap shoot and learning experience opportunity. Keep the OEM bits in case it either doesn't work out or the next owner likes them better, maybe help make a sale.

[GlennF]

Actually, Greta was obliquely mentioned in this thread so I guess it qualifies?

Potentially though this thread is not up to the normal Campfire standard.

Gratuitous photo of the "other" Greta ...

[AzCal Retred]

...Honey, I'm home...

[GlennF]

...Honey, I'm home...

She was Swedish like the modern Greta. Her characters often displayed the "strong independent modern 1930's woman" archetype (much like Jean Harlow and Bette Davis) and she was like that in real life as well.

Greta Garbo quit movie making in 1941 at the height of her success because she could no longer tolerate the Hollywood system and all it's machinations. She was only 36 but refused to ever make another movie.

For me the real Garbo classic was the 1935 version of Tolstoy's Anna Karenina.

[NVDucati]

She was Swedish like the modern Greta. Her characters often displayed the "strong independent modern 1930's woman" archetype (much like Jean Harlow and Bette Davis) and she was like that in real life as well.

Greta Garbo quit movie making in 1941 at the height of her success because she could no longer tolerate the Hollywood system and all it's machinations. She was only 36 but refused to ever make another movie.

For me the real Garbo classic was the 1935 version of Tolstoy's Anna Karenina.

[axman88]

I personally don't much care for thread drift.

That's why I'm going to try to bring it back on track.

Why did Greta change her pipes?   She felt like it!  And she smoked ciggys too!

https://www.smokingpipes.com/smokingpipesblog/single.cfm/post/famous-pipe-smokers-greta-garbo

[Arschloch]

https://youtu.be/yk_5cJ180xc

...indeed we've come a long way.

[cyrusb]

I personally don't much care for thread drift.

That's why I'm going to try to bring it back on track.

Why did Greta change her pipes?   She felt like it!  And she smoked ciggys too!

https://www.smokingpipes.com/smokingpipesblog/single.cfm/post/famous-pipe-smokers-greta-garbo

It would have been nice to clean her pipes.....

[GlennF]

I personally don't much care for thread drift.

That's why I'm going to try to bring it back on track.

Why did Greta change her pipes?   She felt like it!  And she smoked ciggys too!

https://www.smokingpipes.com/smokingpipesblog/single.cfm/post/famous-pipe-smokers-greta-garbo

Definitely my sort of gal ...

[Intybe]

Apparently it pays to increase your word power...so at least we're all on the same page as regards what we're talking about or around.

Bowdlerisation: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bowdlerize

Woke: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke

Most of this "debate" devolves to the concept of fairness or equitability. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good general guideline, regardless of the original source... The operating assumption behind it is that the need is genuine, the ability is not exploited.

Thanks AzCal, Bowdlerise is a sonic beauty, and my, hasn't woke come a long way! 🤪😵

[GlennF]

Most of this "debate" devolves to the concept of fairness or equitability. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good general guideline, regardless of the original source...

The source is somewhat debatable as some people claim that Marx was actually plagiarising Acts 4-35 .

KJV Acts 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Not quite seeing how any of this relates to Greta Garbo though.   

[GlennF]

Did Greta ever own a goat? 

[Adrian II]

A holiday park I once worked in owned a goat called Greta. Are we far enough adrift from the original topic yet?

A.

[GlennF]

A holiday park I once worked in owned a goat called Greta. Are we far enough adrift from the original topic yet?

A.

There is also a goat called Greta in the popular children's book "Zoe's Rescue Zoo: The Helpful Hedgehog" .

[McElsen]

Well, on that subject:
I have a Meteor and have been looking at slip-ons to get a slightly better sound, like the new Classic has. The meteor has a strange contraption in it's exhaust system that is hidden underneath the bike, like a little pot. Now some claim that is the cat. Others claim it is just there to enhance the sound. However, prior for the gasses going into this little 'pot' there is a little bulge in the horizontal pipe. Some people claim that is the cat. Reason for asking: if I were to bypass the pot with a straight pipe section, would that indeed mean I have no cat anymore?

[Richard230]

I believe that both groups might be right. It is my understanding that the latest version of the old-school (not the Meteors) Indian market air-cooled RE 350 BS6 models have two cats, one in the exhaust header and one in the muffler.