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on: February 02, 2024, 05:10:11 am
‘Gutter-level’ talk: China-Philippines discord deepens over Taiwan
https://www.ft.com/content/f0246816-0bac-4754-b85e-b1a7a9f1da38
After Taiwan’s presidential election last month, China was quick to rebuke the countries that congratulated the winner, Lai Ching-te, who Beijing has labelled a separatist.
But it reserved its strongest condemnation for the Philippines, admonishing the country “not to play with fire” and its president to “read more books” to understand the dispute over Taiwan — comments Manila described as “low and gutter-level” talk.
The bitter exchange marked the latest episode in an escalating dispute between China and the Philippines, which has taken a more assertive stance under President Ferdinand Marcos Jr against Beijing’s coercive actions in the disputed waters of the South China Sea.


China Challenges Philippines' Claim on South China Sea; Sends 200 Vessels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdGjF597Om8

Philippines plans to buy submarines to defend sovereignty in South China Sea January 31, 2024
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/philippines-plans-buy-submarines-defend-sovereignty-south-china-sea-senior-2024-02-01/
MANILA, Feb 1 (Reuters) - Philippines President Ferdinand Marcos Jr has approved the third phase of the military's modernisation, which includes the purchase of the country's first submarine, in order to defend its maritime sovereignty in the disputed South China Sea.
Navy spokesperson for the West Philippine Sea, Roy Trinidad, said on Thursday the third phase of modernisation reflected a shift in strategy away from internal to external defence.
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Reply #1 on: February 03, 2024, 01:53:13 am
China blocks Philippines access to South China Sea reef   2 FEBRUARY 2024
Satellite images reveal the extent of a Chinese blockade to prevent the Philippines supplying its base on Second Thomas Shoal, write John Pollock and Damien Symon.
https://www.chathamhouse.org/publications/the-world-today/2024-02/china-blocks-philippines-access-south-china-sea-reef
Satellite images recently released by Maxar reveal the extent to which tensions continue to rise in the South China Sea between the Philippines and China over a strategically important reef. Chinese coastguard vessels are shown blocking access to a Philippines military base on the reef, known internationally as Second Thomas Shoal and by China as Rén’ai Jião.
Second Thomas Shoal – which lies within the Philippines’ Exclusive Economic Zone 200km west of the archipelago and 1,000km from the nearest Chinese landmass – has been occupied by the Philippines since the 1990s. But the reef, which Manila calls Ayungin Shoal, has been a flashpoint for a decade, as Beijing continues its campaign to assert territorial control over the South China Sea.
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Reply #2 on: February 03, 2024, 11:43:14 pm
What the OpFor is up to -

China's Newest Tank is Doing the Opposite of Everyone Else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AHz39IIkmc&t=216s

Compared to their own Type 96 and Type 99 main battle tanks, the Black Panther is lighter, coming up at around 32 tons, with better mobility, speed, and improved performance at high altitude levels with lower oxygen.
It is also known that China has especially developed this light tank for plateau combat against neighboring India. Both countries have had territorial disputes for decades, and China has recently deployed this new tank on the Tibetan Plateau, ready to attack at any moment's notice…
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Reply #3 on: February 04, 2024, 03:57:29 am
What the OpFor is up to -

China's Newest Tank is Doing the Opposite of Everyone Else


Not really ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFs6LG0TEyU


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Reply #4 on: February 04, 2024, 01:45:05 pm
1970 is calling and it wants its Bolo Mark 1 back...
Looks like life is getting ready to imitate art.
As always, high tech has to survive the grit & mud of the battlefield.
Maybe a fleet of Toyota "Technicals" with 50 cals will be the weapons platforms of the future.


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Q: What is the meaning of the word Bolo?
A: Acronym of be on the lookout.


https://robots.fandom.com/wiki/Bolo_(tank)
Bolo (tank); BOLO1 , Bolo Mark XXX

A Bolo is a fictional type of artificially intelligent superheavy tank. They were first imagined by author Keith Laumer, and have since been featured in numerous science fiction novels and short story anthologies by Laumer and other authors. Many Bolo stories are told from the viewpoint of the Bolo itself, with it's internal thoughts printed in italics throughout the story.

The Bolo was a heavily armed and armored fighting machine with the latest AI systems, and was to conduct operations with very little need of human intervention. Even in the early models, Bolos could perform such tasks such as unassisted guard duty and fire support. With the introduction of the Bolo Mark XX, the supertanks gained limited self-awareness which grew and improved with each successive model. The Bolos served in various capacities for over a thousand years.
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Reply #5 on: February 06, 2024, 04:35:50 pm
Hmmm...now we have religious backing for the cause; maybe Green Lighting a PI response? Is it a race between which flashpoint toggles first, or just another mechanism for fine tuning the start date? All sides have lots of cool new hardware to test out. A major political uproar over here in Los Estados Unidos could provide 72-96 hours of valuable cover, we may get that today. The Iranian spy ship Behshad parked in the Red Sea aiding the Houthis with intel is a very legitimate target. Place your bets... :o

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3251114/south-china-sea-filipino-bishops-urge-manila-defend-what-ours-amid-beijings-aggression
“A policy of appeasing the Chinese aggressors is worsening the situation of our poor fisherfolk,” they said in a statement whose signatories included Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas, former president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines.
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Reply #6 on: February 08, 2024, 07:44:51 pm
South China Sea: Philippines to put military base near Taiwan in high gear to tackle tensions with Beijing; 07 Feb, 2024

Defence Secretary Gilberto Teodoro said military infrastructure in Batanes province will be ramped up to ‘ensure the overall safety and integrity of our nation’
His comments underscore Manila’s efforts to build its security capability as tensions with China flared up in recent months

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3251228/south-china-sea-philippines-put-military-base-near-taiwan-high-gear-tackle-tensions-beijing
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Reply #7 on: February 08, 2024, 11:50:58 pm
Taiwan's Kinmen/Quemoy is only 10km from the Chinese city of Xiamen in Fujian.

However putting an American base there may be seen in some circles as a touch provocative.


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Reply #8 on: February 09, 2024, 01:19:21 am
Apparently everyone is determined to test out their shiny new ordinance. I guess it needs to happen every 30-50 years or so to re-educate any survivors.
All I know is that over here a whole lot of folks are about to get a reality check. From what I've seen very few of them will actually like it, movies & TV to the contrary.
IMHO it's not a good idea to poison, blow chunks out of and generally degrade the overtaxed environment that's keeping you alive. But that's just me.
So once again - 
Let Slip the Dogs of War!   :-\

https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/china-and-cubas-plan-for-military-base-threatens-the-region/

AUGUST 22, 2023
China and Cuba are in advanced negotiations for the construction of a joint military training facility, an infrastructure that would facilitate the presence of Chinese troops in Cuba on a permanent basis. A base for these purposes would be in addition to the spy bases that China allegedly has on the island, The Wall Street Journal reported.

“One of the advantages for China of having a military base in Cuba would be to have an area of operations close to the port of New Orleans, which is very strategic for the United States, being part of a key supply chain that goes down the Mississippi River,” Joseph Humire, executive director of the Center for a Secure Free Society, told Diálogo on July 25. “If China wanted to disrupt this north-south chain so it could strengthen its own supply chain that is south-south, Cuba would be a very strategic positioning for a base.”

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Reply #9 on: February 10, 2024, 01:49:52 am
Cuba  - that is not looking good.


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Reply #10 on: February 10, 2024, 02:26:28 am
Cuba is a roughly 75 mile x 500 mile island maybe 100 miles offshore from the USA. At Mach 7 that's about 1 1/2 minutes flight time for hypersonic missiles in either direction, maybe 5 minutes for ballistic MIRVS. About 5 x 20-40 megaton warheads would turn it into an uninhabitable moonscape. Just one boomer can easily do this. It's a political bargaining chip for the Chinese, just too bad for the residents.
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Reply #11 on: February 13, 2024, 02:05:20 am
Cuban missile crisis all over again ! It was diffused last time but ---- ? !


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Reply #12 on: February 16, 2024, 05:15:59 pm
"...all your base are belong to us..." Words Beijing just loves to hear.

Lawmakers Move To Let US Ally Claim China's Artificial Islands ; Feb 15, 2024
https://www.newsweek.com/philippine-senate-bill-government-claim-south-china-sea-artificial-islands-1870181
A bill to challenge the ownership of China's artificial islands in Southeast Asia's contested waters is moving through the Congress of the Philippines, an ally the United States is treaty-bound to defend in the event of an attack.
An amendment approved on Wednesday by the Senate in Manila would allow the Philippine government to lay claim to any man-made feature that falls within its exclusive economic zone. That could include at least three reefs in the disputed Spratly Islands archipelago that have been fully militarized by China in the past decade.

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Reply #13 on: February 19, 2024, 04:28:13 pm
The Falklands War was fought over fishing rights. This sounds worse.

Chinese fishing vessels are going scorched earth and pumping cyanide into contested waters ; Feb 18, 2024

https://www.businessinsider.com/scarborough-shoal-chinese-fishing-vessels-pumping-cyanide-contested-waters-philippines-2024-2

The Philippines' fisheries bureau says China is trying to "intentionally destroy" Scarborough Shoal.
The fish-rich atoll is hotly contested by China but internationally recognized as the Philippines'.
The bureau on Saturday accused Chinese vessels of pumping cyanide into the shoal's waters.
"These Chinese fishermen use cyanide," Nazario Briguera, a spokesperson for the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources, said on Saturday, per a translation from Filipino by The Philippine Star.
Cyanide fishing is a controversial fishing method that typically involves dumping the highly toxic chemical near coral reefs or in fishing grounds to stun or kill fish so they can be easily captured.
It's widely condemned because it indiscriminately affects most marine species in the area, causes severe damage to aquatic ecosystems, and can make fish harmful to handle or eat.
But Brigeura accused the Chinese fishermen of using cyanide to also "intentionally destroy Bajo de Masinloc to prevent Filipino fishing boats to fish in the area," The Philippine Star noted. Bajo de Masinloc is the Spanish name for Scarborough Shoal.
The spokesperson estimated that the alleged use of cyanide would result in about $17,850,000 in damages to the region, the outlet reported.
The bureau said it hadn't conducted a formal study of the total damage but said it was a "serious concern," The Philippine Star reported.
"We will see clearer, and we will have proof or evidence that this is really being done by Chinese fishermen and, apparently, other foreign fishers," Briguera said, according to a translation by the Philippine outlet GMA News.

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Reply #14 on: February 24, 2024, 05:40:59 pm
Showing the flag - US style. The Buff can deliver a horrendous payload. Now if we just had one over Ukraine...
Decline in fish output seen amid destruction of 21,000 acres of West Philippine Sea coral reefs
Bella Cariaso - The Philippine Star ; February 24, 2024 | 8:00am
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2024/02/24/2335793/decline-fish-output-seen-amid-destruction-21000-acres-west-philippine-sea-coral-reefs

B-52 Flies with Philippine Fighters over the South China Sea ; Feb. 21, 2024
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/b-52-philippine-fighters-flies-south-china-sea/
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Reply #15 on: February 27, 2024, 02:19:35 am
The Falklands War was fought over fishing rights. This sounds worse.

The Falklands residents and British would say the Falklands war was fought to kick the Argentinians out because they had invaded British territory !


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Reply #16 on: February 27, 2024, 05:41:43 am
The billions in minerals & fisheries around the island drove the conflict. Nobody cared about a few square miles of sheep & bird dookey encrusted rocks. The Falklands have swapped owners a few times in the wayback when people were few and the ocean wasn't full of plastic.

Search Falkland on the forum for previous discussion and links.
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Reply #17 on: February 27, 2024, 06:03:22 am
The idea that the Falkland war was fought over a handful of locals wanting to drink British beer down the pub is ludicrous.

It is like saying the gulf wars were fought over things like WMD rather than oil.


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Reply #18 on: February 29, 2024, 12:55:56 am
The idea that the Falkland war was fought over a handful of locals wanting to drink British beer down the pub is ludicrous.

It is like saying the gulf wars were fought over things like WMD rather than oil.
Do you deny 'the Falklands war was fought to kick the Argentinians out because they had invaded British territory ' ?


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Reply #19 on: February 29, 2024, 01:10:04 am
The response would have been muted to say the least if billions in mineral & fisheries rights weren't in play. It's that cost/benefit thing. The US doesn't go to war if their citizens are stuck in Russian prisons do they? Changing the street sign(s?) in the Falklands is way down the priority list of reasons for sending a UK Naval battle group 12,000 miles one way. When you add in a few $$$Billions$$$ in potential resource losses, NOW you have incentive.
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Reply #20 on: February 29, 2024, 09:37:39 pm
The response would have been muted to say the least if billions in mineral & fisheries rights weren't in play. It's that cost/benefit thing. The US doesn't go to war if their citizens are stuck in Russian prisons do they? Changing the street sign(s?) in the Falklands is way down the priority list of reasons for sending a UK Naval battle group 12,000 miles one way. When you add in a few $$$Billions$$$ in potential resource losses, NOW you have incentive.
Yes, I suppose you are right,  (it would certainly have been a lot cheaper to just evacuate a few thousand Falklands islanders to Britain. ) but not sure the British soldiers ,sailors and airmen saw it that way.
I don't suppose there was some ulterior motive for the British confronting Hitler and the Nazis though was there ?!


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Reply #21 on: February 29, 2024, 10:15:50 pm
It's not ulterior, it's THE motive. Wars are always fought over resources, either direct possession or access. Nazis (Axis) were obviously intent on reallocating Allied resources. The Allied governments pushed back, eventually in some cases. Interestingly there was an American Nazi party pushing the USA to remain isolationist...a lot like the eejits currently delaying Ukraine funding. I wonder what Putin is promising our eejits.
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Reply #22 on: March 01, 2024, 12:03:35 am
i think my comments about the Falklands islanders being evacuated were mistaken.The Falkland islanders determine their own future.
The following is a quote from Quora that clarifies some points -
' Who do the Malvinas/Falkland Islands really belong to?
The islands belong to those inhabitants that hold deeds to the land and property on the islands.
The people that live there own the islands.
Who they ask to provide them with protection is entirely up to them.
And as of the last time of asking them, the UN determined that the islanders wished to be protected by the UK. '
The islanders voted by about 99% to stay connected to the UK.
 


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Reply #23 on: March 01, 2024, 01:47:43 am
Showing the flag - US style. The Buff can deliver a horrendous payload. Now if we just had one over Ukraine...
Decline in fish output seen amid destruction of 21,000 acres of West Philippine Sea coral reefs
Bella Cariaso - The Philippine Star ; February 24, 2024 | 8:00am
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2024/02/24/2335793/decline-fish-output-seen-amid-destruction-21000-acres-west-philippine-sea-coral-reefs

B-52 Flies with Philippine Fighters over the South China Sea ; Feb. 21, 2024
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/b-52-philippine-fighters-flies-south-china-sea/

The B52 is one of Boeings older designs still in service, first flown on 15th April 1952.

The 737 is getting up there though, the 737 first flew just 15 years later on 9th April 1967.

Most people do not realise that the 737 is just a spruced up and modded (some would say ghetto modded) 57 year old Vietnam War era design .  The 737 was around and carrying passengers while Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix were still alive and performing.

The oldest 737 still operational is in Venezuala and was manufactured 45 years ago in 1978.
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Reply #24 on: March 01, 2024, 02:12:47 am
" The people that live there own the islands. "

Hawaii? Australia? Ireland? Taiwan? England in Roman times? Most of Africa and the Americas had "First People". The organized people with better tech & superior military resources ended up being the people handing out "Deeds & Titles".

I thoroughly enjoyed New Mexico's Federal Representative Deb Haaland ( Laguna Pueblo people ) who ran as a "35th Generation New Mexican"....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_Haaland
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Reply #25 on: March 01, 2024, 03:05:30 am
sorry, not relevant. hard to keep up with the thread drift.
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Reply #26 on: March 01, 2024, 09:20:05 pm
sorry, not relevant. hard to keep up with the thread drift.
At the moment it seems some people think Britain shouldn't have sent a task force to remove the Argentinians who had invaded from The Falklands.
They need a few Royal Marines to have a word with them  ;)


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Reply #27 on: March 02, 2024, 03:18:59 am
At the moment it seems some people think Britain shouldn't have sent a task force to remove the Argentinians who had invaded from The Falklands.
They need a few Royal Marines to have a word with them  ;)

Seems to me they did the right thing (standing up to aggression).

But for the wrong reasons (resource issues and to garner votes at home).


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Reply #28 on: March 02, 2024, 10:22:09 pm
Seems to me they did the right thing (standing up to aggression).

But for the wrong reasons (resource issues and to garner votes at home).
and to evict the Argentinians as Britain had agreed to protect the Falkland islanders as the islanders wanted.


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Reply #29 on: March 03, 2024, 01:18:57 am
"At the moment it seems some people think Britain shouldn't have sent a task force to remove the Argentinians who had invaded from The Falklands.They need a few Royal Marines to have a word with them  ;)"

"Some People" think that the primary reason the Royal Marines (and a Naval task force) were sent was that there was money/resources at stake. "Some People" think that the response is proportional to value. If the Falklanders had oil the USA might have offered to help... :o 8)
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Reply #30 on: March 03, 2024, 01:52:23 am
and to evict the Argentinians as Britain had agreed to protect the Falkland islanders as the islanders wanted.

yes ... well i suppose the disagreement is over whether that was a genuine reason or just political spin to garner votes.

It probably depends on the degree of cynicism you have about what politicians and government in general say.

It is worth noting that both Britain and the US agreed to protect Ukraine if they gave up the thousands of ex Soviet tactical battlefield nukes they inherited from the Soviets.   Britain has indeed sent some aid but refused to commit troops and the US has now stopped all aid, potentially permanently if trump gains power.  Promising to protect someone is not usually enough to gaurantee a nation sending troops in.


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Reply #31 on: March 04, 2024, 12:46:48 am
"At the moment it seems some people think Britain shouldn't have sent a task force to remove the Argentinians who had invaded from The Falklands.They need a few Royal Marines to have a word with them  ;)"

"Some People" think that the primary reason the Royal Marines (and a Naval task force) were sent was that there was money/resources at stake. "Some People" think that the response is proportional to value. If the Falklanders had oil the USA might have offered to help... :o 8)
Yes,probably. It is interesting that in the 1960's ,apparently Harold Wilson the British Prime minister said The Falklands had no 'strategic ' value and might have been willing to negotiate on their future, but I don't know how that fits in with the Falklands islanders determining their own future !
Anyway , it was certainly the feeling in this country in 1982 that ' Btittania rules the waves, and Britons never, never, never shall be slaves' and all that.
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Reply #32 on: March 04, 2024, 12:52:44 am
yes ... well i suppose the disagreement is over whether that was a genuine reason or just political spin to garner votes.

It probably depends on the degree of cynicism you have about what politicians and government in general say.

It is worth noting that both Britain and the US agreed to protect Ukraine if they gave up the thousands of ex Soviet tactical battlefield nukes they inherited from the Soviets.   Britain has indeed sent some aid but refused to commit troops and the US has now stopped all aid, potentially permanently if trump gains power.  Promising to protect someone is not usually enough to gaurantee a nation sending troops in.
I think most people are pretty cynical nowadays about politicians .
Putting troops on the ground in Ukraine is,of course, a different matter to providing assistance in other ways and would be used by Russia to claim NATO was at war with Russia.( if it hasn't already )


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Reply #33 on: March 05, 2024, 04:48:00 pm
Now we 'rammin', rammin in de name or the (over)lord...  with apologies to Bob Marley  :o

Philippine and Chinese vessels collide in disputed South China Sea and 4 Filipino crew are injured
https://apnews.com/article/philippines-china-south-china-sea-collision-e69d9506e85d1d23685db4f220b50d71
MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Chinese and Philippine coast guard vessels collided in the disputed South China Sea and four Filipino crew members were injured Tuesday in high-seas confrontations as Southeast Asian leaders gathered for an Asian summit where alarm over Beijing’s aggression at sea was expected to be raised.
The Chinese coast guard ships and accompanying vessels blocked the Philippine coast guard and supply vessels off the disputed Second Thomas Shoal and executed dangerous maneuvers that caused two minor collisions between the Chinese ships and two of the Philippine vessels, Philippine officials said.
The BRP Sindangan of the Philippine coast guard had minor structural damage from the collision that happened shortly after dawn. Over an hour later, another Chinese coast guard ship first blocked then collided with a supply boat the Philippine coast guard was escorting, the Philippine officials said.
The supply boat, manned by Filipino navy personnel, was later hit by water cannon blasts from two Chinese coast guard ships. Its windshield shattered, injuring at least four Filipino crew members, according to a statement from the Philippine government task force dealing with territorial disputes.

https://www.sealight.live/posts/gray-zone-tactics-playbook-ramming
Ramming is the act of steering one vessel directly into another, damaging or even sinking it. China's paramilitary People's Armed Forces Maritime Militia (PAFMM) operates scores of ships with reinforced steel hulls purpose-built for ramming.
Some instances of ramming may be accidents caused by the failed application of other tactics, such as reckless bow-crossing.
The 2019 ramming of a wooden Filipino fishing boat, the F/B Gem-Ver, by the probable PAFMM ship Yue Mao Bin Yu 42212 caused a major diplomatic crisis between Beijing and Manila.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/craighooper/2023/11/06/navies-unready-to-stop-chinese-ram-backed-blockade-of-south-china-sea/?sh=219e3e7a6c03
For China, imposing maritime control via vessel jousting matches is a law enforcement matter and not an act of war.
Ramming is, on a tactical level, a standard Chinese operational procedure. The tactic aligns with regional practices; off the contested waters of the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands, in the Spratly Islands, and on the Yellow Sea, civilian and government ships regularly jostle, scrape paint and ram each other for a combination of fishing rights, economic opportunity and glory. ---
--- Modern navies are also unready for a concerted Chinese maritime jousting campaign. On even a limited scale, shoving-and-pushing territorial contests at sea are exhausting. In the first 1958 Cod War, coming after Iceland enforced a modest claim to 12 miles of territorial waters, Iceland’s tiny patrol fleet forced the UK to commit over forty warships and auxiliaries to protect the UK’s civilian fishing fleet. ---
--- Even if the U.S. and other navies came to aid the Philippines, they would be quickly beaten up and battered by China’s aggressive maritime militias.
Modern navies are simply designed for a different kind of fight. In the U.S., effete technologists at the Naval Sea Systems Command have forgotten that the simple, brutish work of ramming, shoving and shouldering is a serious business of inflicting real costs upon an aggressor. Between 1975 and 1976, when Iceland and the UK squared off in the third Cod War, Iceland’s small patrol boat fleet, in the space of seven months, forced the UK to deploy 21 frigates. During the dispute, Iceland’s tiny gunboat navy hit and damaged at least fifteen UK warships.
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Reply #34 on: March 05, 2024, 08:49:19 pm
Lets not forget that Ukraine has sunk yet another Russian Black Sea fleet ship just yesterday, the 1300 ton Sergey Kotov, with cheap locally made sea drones.

Overall, Ukraine has sunk some two dozen Russian ships, nearly a third of the Black Sea Fleet, with sea drones.


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Reply #35 on: March 05, 2024, 09:19:04 pm
Sinking and ramming are tactics with quite different end games. Ramming as used by the Chinese is more a political tactic, applying aggression but stopping just short of war. Pretty much anything that floats is just a targeting solution to modern weaponry. Ramming lets you possess/acquire territory without committing to shooting combat. Part of their "long game".
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Reply #36 on: March 08, 2024, 03:27:28 pm
Conflict is always about acquisition & control of resources.

Chinese Gas Giant Finds New Oilfield in South China Sea: Mar 08, 2024

https://www.newsweek.com/china-gas-giant-finds-new-oifield-south-china-sea-1877155

Chinese oil and natural gas giant has made a major discovery in the energy-rich waters of the South China Sea.
The 100-million-ton oil field is located in the Pearl River Basin near China's Guangdong Province, state-owned China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) said in a press release on Friday. The find is a boon to China, the world's largest net importer and second largest consumer of oil, as the country seeks to boost energy independence and assert its presence in a region known for its strategic and economic importance.
The oil found within the Kaiping South oilfield is light crude, a highly sought-after type of petroleum that yields a higher percentage of gasoline and diesel when refined. The new well there is estimated to yield an impressive daily output of 7,680 barrels of light crude oil and 520,000 cubic feet of natural gas.
"Kaiping South Oilfield is China's first deep-water and deep-play oilfield with proved in-place volume over 100 million tons. The discovery fully demonstrates the broad prospects for exploration in deep-water South China Sea and further expands the resource base for the company's high-quality development," CNOOC Deputy Chief Exploration Officer Xu Changgui said.


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https://www.energyconnects.com/news/oil/2024/march/massive-south-china-sea-oilfield-discovery-by-cnooc-will-yield-more-than-100-mt-hydrocarbons

CNOOC is the largest offshore oil and gas producer in China. It was established as a state-owned mega company, with the approval of the State Council, on February 15, 1982. The US Energy Information Agency (EIA) estimates that the South China Sea holds about 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 11 billion barrels of oil in proved and probable reserves, most of which lie along the margins of the South China Sea.
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Reply #37 on: March 09, 2024, 01:31:38 am
China is making noises about anybody trying to 'suppress'  China's ambitions concerning  Taiwan and the  South China Seas will be regarded as interfering in China's internal affairs.
( of course it is only China's opinion on what are their internal affairs ! )


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Reply #38 on: March 10, 2024, 08:03:19 pm
The PI is a'flexin'... ???

https://thediplomat.com/2024/01/philippines-military-to-provide-unimpeded-access-to-sea-resources-defense-chief-says/
Philippines Military to Provide ‘Unimpeded’ Access to Sea Resources, Defense Chief Says
The new “comprehensive archipelagic defense concept” will seek to secure Manila’s access to resources lying within its Exclusive Economic Zone, including in the South China Sea.

https://gcaptain.com/philippines-adopts-new-defense-strategy-amid-south-china-sea-row/
Philippines Adopts New Defense Strategy Amid South China Sea Row
Mar 9, 2024 (Bloomberg) —Philippine Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro has directed the military to enforce a new strategy to defend the nation’s territory and economic interests, days after the latest clash with Chinese ships in the disputed South China Sea.
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Reply #39 on: March 13, 2024, 12:13:12 am
So...the PI, under persistent threat by China in its own backyard EEZ, is giving commanders on PI gunboats kinda/sorta "Privateer" status to remedy things.
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US Ally Rolls Out New Plan To Counter China Threat ; Mar 12, 2024
https://www.newsweek.com/us-ally-philippines-rolls-out-comprehensive-archipelagic-defense-concept-counter-china-threat-1878055
The Philippines has indicated its aim to assert authority over nearby waters in response to China's goals of dogged expansion.
"This strategic action is designed to be self-sustaining and will not require ongoing directives," Philippine Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro Jr. said in a statement Friday, without elaborating on the level of operational independence commanders will have.
Territorial disputes oppose China and the Southeast Asian nation, a U.S. defense treaty ally, over areas within the latter's internationally recognized exclusive economic zone (EEZ). China's expansive claims over the South China Sea conflict with those of the Philippines as well as several other neighboring coastal states.
Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. has vowed not to cede "one square inch" to foreign powers, in a clear reference to Beijing.
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Reply #40 on: March 28, 2024, 03:52:40 pm
The plot thickens. Using Chinese PLAN water cannon against an actual armed PI naval vessel seems a poor move. I'm thinking the PI Navy likely have water cannon of their own. Watch this space...

https://apnews.com/article/philippines-marcos-south-china-sea-disputes-6b50cbdb481a5fa1896b95aa0b2921d5

Marcos said he issued his statement after meeting top Philippine defense and national security officials, who submitted their recommendations. These include the use of faster military vessels instead of chartered civilian boats when the Philippine navy delivers a new batch of personnel and supplies to the disputed Second Thomas Shoal, two Philippine security officials said.
The shoal, the site of frequent hostilities since last year, has been occupied by a small Philippine naval contingent but surrounded by the Chinese coast guard and other vessels in a decades-long territorial standoff.

In the latest hostilities on Saturday, the Chinese coast guard used water cannons that injured several Philippine navy crewmen and heavily damaged their wooden supply boat near the Second Thomas Shoal. The cannon blast was so strong it threw a crewman off the floor but he hit a wall instead of plunging into the sea, Philippine military officials said
The Philippine government summoned a Chinese embassy diplomat in Manila to convey its “strongest protest” against China. Beijing accused the Philippine vessels of intruding into Chinese territorial waters, warning Manila not to “play with fire” and saying China would continue to take actions to defend its sovereignty.
The United States condemned the actions by the Chinese coast guard. In a telephone call with Philippine defense chief Gilberto Teodoro Jr. Wednesday, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin reiterated a warning that it is obligated to come to the aid of the Philippines under a 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty if Philippine forces, aircraft and ships come under armed attack, including anywhere in the South China Sea, Pentagon Press Secretary Pat Ryder said.
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Reply #41 on: March 29, 2024, 04:25:00 pm
US Ally Stands Its Ground Amid Tensions With China ; Published Mar 29, 2024

https://www.newsweek.com/philippines-ferdinand-marcos-stands-ground-china-tensions-south-china-sea-1884891

Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. says his country will not be "cowed into silence" and has vowed to respond following recent clashes with Chinese forces in contested waters of the South China Sea.
Marcos issued directives and received recommendations during meetings this week with the Philippine defense and national security leadership, he said in a social media post on Thursday. The Philippines leader said he was in "constant communication" with allies and partners who had offered to help Manila "secure our sovereignty, sovereign rights, and jurisdiction while ensuring peace and stability in the Indo-Pacific."
Marcos pledged to roll out as yet unspecified countermeasures that would be "proportionate, deliberate, and reasonable in the face of the open, unabating, and illegal, coercive, aggressive, and dangerous attacks by agents of the China Coast Guard and the Chinese Maritime Militia."


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Reply #42 on: March 30, 2024, 04:12:06 pm
How China ended up financing the Houthis’ Red Sea attacks

https://www.politico.eu/article/china-finance-houthi-red-sea-attacks-iran-oil/

China is unwittingly helping Iran choke off ship traffic in the Red Sea, impairing global trade flows and damaging Beijing’s own interests in the process, Western intelligence officials say.

China’s illicit purchases of Iranian oil are indirectly financing the recent string of attacks by Yemen’s Houthi rebels in the Red Sea and have had a chilling effect on shipping. About 15 percent of global trade flows through the corridor that leads from the Gulf Aden through the Red Sea and the Suez Canal, linking Asia and Europe.

China buys about 90 percent of Iran’s oil, including crude sold by the Quds Force, the paramilitary arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) that is responsible for Tehran’s foreign military operations. Quds Force trains and funds Iran’s terror proxies across the Middle East, for example, including both Hezbollah in Lebanon and Yemen’s Houthi rebels.
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Reply #43 on: April 02, 2024, 05:01:54 pm
The PI prepares to take point.

Philippines says China's 'coercive, aggressive' actions discussed with top U.S. security adviser
By Karen Lema and Mikhail Flores, April 1, 202410:33 PM PDT ; Updated 10 hours ago
<<  https://www.reuters.com/world/philippines-us-top-security-officials-discuss-chinas-coercive-aggressive-actions-2024-04-02/  >>
MANILA, April 2 (Reuters) - The Philippines on Tuesday said its national security adviser and his U.S. counterpart discussed "coercive, aggressive and deceptive actions" by Beijing in the South China Sea, as a diplomatic row intensifies between the two Asian neighbours.
Philippine National Security Adviser Eduardo Ano "expressed his appreciation for the United States' continued assurances and reaffirmation of its ironclad commitment" to their alliance, the Philippine National Security Council said in a statement.
The phone call on Monday was on the heels of a series of maritime run-ins and heated verbal exchanges between China and the Philippines that has triggered concern about an escalation at sea.
President Ferdinand Marcos Jr said last week there would be "countermeasures" against aggression by China's coastguard, while Beijing accused the Philippines of treachery and reneging on a promise to tow away an old naval vessel grounded intentionally on a disputed shoal. Manila denies ever making that pledge.
The rows come at a time when the Philippines and United States are deepening military ties, frustrating China, which sees Washington as interfering in its back yard.The Philippines has insisted it never agreed to tow away the BRP Sierra Madre, which has been guarded by a handful of soldiers since it was grounded at the Second Thomas Shoal 25 years ago. China has been accused of blocking resupply missions to those troops.
The former spokesperson of Rodrigo Duterte, the previous president, has confirmed there had been an informal "gentleman's agreement" with China to keep the status quo at the shoal, but not to tow the ship away.
NSC spokesperson Jonathan Malaya said the Marcos government had not seen any document to support China's claim of a Philippine promise to remove the ship.

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3257431/south-china-sea-philippines-urged-prioritise-diplomacy-even-navy-prepares-worst-case-scenario
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Reply #44 on: April 02, 2024, 09:35:42 pm
USAF, Philippines Gear Up for Fighter Exercise over the South China Sea
April 1, 2024 | By Unshin Lee Harpley

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/usaf-philippines-cope-thunder-fighter-exercise/

The U.S. and Philippine Air Forces are slated to conduct their first combat training exercise of the year this month, escalating tensions between Manila and Beijing in the South China Sea. Scheduled from April 8-19, Cope Thunder will feature fighters from both countries operating from a newly renovated runway at Basa Air Base.
Cope Thunder was held for the first time in more than 30 years in 2023—the annual exercise ran from Clark Air Base in the Philippines starting in the mid-1970s but was suspended following the 1991 volcanic eruption of Mount Pinatubo, which led to Clark’s closure. Last year, two iterations of Cope Thunder in May and June included U.S. F-16s and F-22s, as well as the Philippines Air Force’s FA-50PHs, A-29s, and AS-211s at Basa and Clark.

The latest aerial exercise between the two allies was in February, when a U.S. Air Force B-52 bomber flew alongside three Philippine FA-50 fighters during a patrol over the South China Sea within the Philippines’ EEZ. A pair of B-52 bombers from Barksdale Air Force Base, La., are currently deployed in Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, approximately 3,200 nautical miles from the Philippines, for Pacific Air Force missions.

The two nations also worked together to renovate the Basa runway to accommodate more and larger U.S. aircraft. Additionally, ongoing upgrades include the construction of a 625,000-square-foot transient parking apron, which will allow 20 U.S. aircraft to be deployed at the site. These projects are part of the the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement between the two nations, funded by the Pentagon’s Pacific Deterrence Initiative budget.

Basa represents the biggest U.S. investment among the five EDCA sites of the Philippines, with $66 million allocated to the base out of the initial total of $82 million. The base currently hosts the Philippines’ sole fighter squadron, consisting of 12 FA-50PH Fighting Eagles.

Last year, the U.S. added four more military bases to the EDCA, expanding the number of locations from which American troops can operate. The Department of National Defense in the Philippines has highlighted that these upcoming sites will support the country’s military modernization efforts, particularly through U.S.-funded projects such as runway upgrades, communication facilities and infrastructure support.

Cope Thunder will take place amid growing tensions between China and the Phillippines. Just last week, Phillippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. issued a statement in which he reaffirmed the country’s commitment to countering “illegal, coercive, aggressive, and dangerous attacks” by the Chinese coast guard. The latest escalation occurred March 23, when Chinese forces employed water cannons to obstruct a Philippine resupply mission in the South China Sea.

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Reply #45 on: April 02, 2024, 10:36:24 pm
Maybe the Philippines should stock up on mines and scatter a few around their disputed island.
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Reply #46 on: April 02, 2024, 11:24:43 pm
Australia has plenty all through the outback - oh you meant THAT sort of mine.


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Reply #47 on: April 03, 2024, 05:30:06 pm
It'll be interesting to see Congress's response to arming up and backing up the PI. I hope Marcos got it in writing, history doesn't really support long-term US backup efforts...

Philippines prepared to respond to China's attempts to interfere with re-supply missions
By Karen Lema ; April 3, 2024

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/philippines-says-it-is-committed-maintaining-position-second-thomas-shoal-2024-04-03/

MANILA, April 3 (Reuters) - The Philippines is prepared to respond to China's attempts to disrupt its supply missions in the South China Sea and protect its troops stationed in the waterway, a top security official said on Wednesday.
Jonathan Malaya, the spokesperson of the National Security Council, said the Philippines is committed to maintaining its position at the Second Thomas Shoal and there will be no let up in re-supply missions to Filipino soldiers on a grounded warship there.
"Our commitment to maintain BRP Sierra Madre will always be there, so any attempt by China to interfere with re-supply missions will be met by the Philippines in a fashion that protects our troops," Malaya told a maritime forum.
Malaya reiterated that the counter-measures announced by Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr last week against "aggressive" actions by China's coastguard will be "multi-dimensional" and not solely military in nature.

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Philippines preparing for ‘worst case scenario’ in South China Sea April 2, 2024
National Security Council emphasises need to exhaust ‘all diplomatic measures’ to resolve escalating tensions

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/southeast-asia/philippines-south-china-sea-diplomacy-latest-b2521922.html

The Philippines said its navy was preparing for the “worst-case scenario” in the South China Sea to counter China amid growing military tensions in the disputed waters.
A top official tasked with strengthening maritime security in the West Philippines Sea said troops on the east coast were “studying all options”. However, the government of Ferdinand Marcos Jr has been advised to keep the focus on diplomacy to resolve the conflict.
“We are ready for what they are going to do. The troops stationed at Sierra Madre are prepared for the worst-case scenario,” Vice-Admiral Alberto Carlos said. “We are studying all options. It’s unacceptable if we are going to stop the resupply mission.”



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Reply #48 on: April 04, 2024, 12:37:21 am
we may play the "arsenal of democracy" game and sit out the first couple of years until someone attacks us directly. like we did in 14, 15, 16, and again in 39, 40 and 41. let's hope we still have some allies left.


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Reply #49 on: April 04, 2024, 04:21:27 am
we may play the "arsenal of democracy" game and sit out the first couple of years until someone attacks us directly. like we did in 14, 15, 16, and again in 39, 40 and 41. let's hope we still have some allies left.

Being late turning up is not a huge issue really.

What is a problem internationally is the tendency of the US to abandon allies for internal political benefit.   Vietnam, Afghanistan, Ukraine are all examples where the US withdrew basically because it got them votes at home, though people will come up with all sorts of justifications as to why it was reasonable.


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Reply #50 on: April 04, 2024, 05:45:32 am
@ GlennF; well spoken. I for one am plenty sick of situational or conditional US politics. Making "Indian Treaties", valid for as long as the "sun shines, the wind blows and the grass grows" or until we lose interest, strike oil or find uranium. The PI may do OK as they have a block of naturalized US voters.
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Reply #51 on: April 04, 2024, 10:22:55 pm
There are good arguments that the US should not have interfered in Vietnam or Afghanistan in the first place. However it was like if you have kids, once you are now a parent and you are in it for the duration, you cannot just change your mind and decide it was all a bad idea and abandon them.

With the Ukraine the real issue is the 1994 trilateral agreement where the US promised military support if they were attacked , providing they destroyed their ex-soviet arsenal of cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and long range strategic bombers.

Post Soviet Ukraine possessed 130 UR-100N/RS-18 intercontinental ballistic missiles with six warheads each, 46 RT-23  ICBMs with ten warheads, as well as 33 strategic bombers, totalling approximately 1,700 warheads. These all were dismantled on assurances that the US an UK would back Ukraine in case of an attack.


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Reply #52 on: April 05, 2024, 02:07:35 am
This says that Ukraine got Fuel rods for its RBMK reactor and some cash, but no NATO-like security guarantees.


https://fsi.stanford.edu/news/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-and-trilateral-statement-25-years-later

The United States agreed to provide Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction funds to finance the elimination of the strategic delivery systems and infrastructure in Ukraine.  Specifically, $175 million would be made available as a start.

The three sides agreed that Russia would compensate Ukraine for the value of the highly enriched uranium in the nuclear warheads transferred to Russia for elimination by providing Ukraine fuel rods containing an equivalent amount of low enriched uranium for its nuclear reactors.  In the first ten months, Ukraine would transfer at least 200 warheads, and Russia would provide fuel rods containing 100 tons of low enriched uranium.

The sides laid out in the Trilateral Statement the specific language of the security assurances that Ukraine would receive once it had acceded to the Non-Proliferation Treaty as a non-nuclear weapons state.  Although Kyiv had sought security guarantees, Washington was not prepared to extend what would have been a military commitment similar to what NATO allies have; the assurances were the best that was on offer.



However, had Ukraine tried to keep nuclear weapons, it would have faced political and economic costs, including:

·      Kyiv would have had limited relations, at best, with the United States and European countries (witness the virtual pariah status that a nuclear North Korea suffers).  In particular, there would have been no strategic relationship with the United States.

·      NATO would not have concluded a distinctive partnership relationship with Ukraine, and the European Union would not have signed a partnership and cooperation agreement, to say nothing of an association agreement.

·      Kyiv would have received little in the way of reform, technical or financial assistance from the United States and European Union.

·      Western executive directors would have blocked low interest credits to Ukraine from the IMF, World Bank and European Bank of Reconstruction and Development.

To be sure, one can debate the value of these benefits.  But those who now assert that Ukraine should have kept nuclear arms should recognize that keeping them would have come at a steep price.  Moreover, in any confrontation or crisis with Russia, Ukraine would have found itself alone.



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Reply #53 on: April 05, 2024, 04:49:32 am
This says that Ukraine got Fuel rods for its RBMK reactor and some cash, but no NATO-like security guarantees.


https://fsi.stanford.edu/news/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-and-trilateral-statement-25-years-later

The United States agreed to provide Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction funds to finance the elimination of the strategic delivery systems and infrastructure in Ukraine.  Specifically, $175 million would be made available as a start.

The three sides agreed that Russia would compensate Ukraine for the value of the highly enriched uranium in the nuclear warheads transferred to Russia for elimination by providing Ukraine fuel rods containing an equivalent amount of low enriched uranium for its nuclear reactors.  In the first ten months, Ukraine would transfer at least 200 warheads, and Russia would provide fuel rods containing 100 tons of low enriched uranium.

The sides laid out in the Trilateral Statement the specific language of the security assurances that Ukraine would receive once it had acceded to the Non-Proliferation Treaty as a non-nuclear weapons state.  Although Kyiv had sought security guarantees, Washington was not prepared to extend what would have been a military commitment similar to what NATO allies have; the assurances were the best that was on offer.



However, had Ukraine tried to keep nuclear weapons, it would have faced political and economic costs, including:

·      Kyiv would have had limited relations, at best, with the United States and European countries (witness the virtual pariah status that a nuclear North Korea suffers).  In particular, there would have been no strategic relationship with the United States.

·      NATO would not have concluded a distinctive partnership relationship with Ukraine, and the European Union would not have signed a partnership and cooperation agreement, to say nothing of an association agreement.

·      Kyiv would have received little in the way of reform, technical or financial assistance from the United States and European Union.

·      Western executive directors would have blocked low interest credits to Ukraine from the IMF, World Bank and European Bank of Reconstruction and Development.

To be sure, one can debate the value of these benefits.  But those who now assert that Ukraine should have kept nuclear arms should recognize that keeping them would have come at a steep price.  Moreover, in any confrontation or crisis with Russia, Ukraine would have found itself alone.




Assuming another Trump presidency, which seems likely - Ukraine will have zero relations with the US and conceivably will get revenge sanctions from Trump due to their refusal to cooperate in efforts to setup Hunter Biden.

Possession of 1700 nuclear warheads would likely have dissuaded Putin from attacking, but even if Putin did attack, and for diplomatic reasons they decided not to use the nukes, the 11 Tu-160 strategic bombers and 27  Tu-95 strategic bombers would still have been useful and the  483 Kh-55 air-launched cruise missiles could have been converted to conventional warheads.



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Reply #54 on: April 05, 2024, 08:29:02 am
i'm seeing a big, BIG uptick in russian sympathizers on social media. i say (sarcasm) we just give them the entire pacific coast and hope they're satisfied for a while. then let them fight china for it.
there, back on topic, sorta. you're welcome.

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Reply #55 on: April 05, 2024, 06:20:08 pm
A big Russian-bot-driven uptick? Maybe we're getting close to the inflection point. The pro-Putin GOP are required to vote on supporting Kiev very soon. We'll see how that goes. The Gipper must be turning near 10K right now...and our Euro-brethren are getting for a rerun of 1939.

China & the PI are ramping up nicely too. Maybe the imminent Pacific war has more to do with avoiding hurricane typhoon season.  ???

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Reply #56 on: April 05, 2024, 07:28:23 pm
isn't it funny how, in the wake of ww2, communism was assumed to have a monopoly on evil?


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Reply #57 on: April 06, 2024, 04:39:19 am
4. Please refrain from both political or religious discussions, these topics just give moderators an extra headache."


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Reply #58 on: April 06, 2024, 08:44:01 am
No opinion, no discussion, nothing to debate here, just public record & historical fact:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf
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Reply #59 on: April 06, 2024, 01:28:08 pm
oh sweet jesus. (there's a religion reference) i suspect the issue here was that passing mention of communism. note that in doing so, i advocated for neither communism, capitalism, or any other system of governance or economics. now some people will get bent out of shape if you don't advocate for their preferred system, but i'm somewhat of an agnostic (there's that religion thing again) in that i don't put much store in any particular theoretical system. what i do know from personal experience is that if you sit down with your friends and play Parker Brothers' Monopoly, one person wins and everyone else loses. meanwhile, repeatedly crying "WOLF!" tends to dull the senses, and eventually gets you eaten. or so the story goes. i have no personal experience with wolves.


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Reply #60 on: April 06, 2024, 03:30:58 pm
If it's helpful, Farley Mowat did have some personal experience among wolves, but perhaps not so much with Parker Brothers games in 1963 North Canada... ;D ;D ;D     Still a good read today.

https://www.amazon.com/Never-Cry-Wolf-Amazing-Arctic/dp/0316881791
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Reply #61 on: April 12, 2024, 04:15:22 am
Saw 3 minutes on the National News regarding the Japan, PI & US alliance, new Pacific bases and Chinese ramming/water cannon tactics. A first for prime time news, maybe we're getting close?  :(
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Reply #62 on: April 12, 2024, 11:59:32 pm
Stories are synching up. China has to back off or step up. Our forward observer aircraft & subs will be working overtime. Our Marines in Japans Ryukyus will be at high alert.

https://www.reuters.com/world/philippines-says-determined-assert-south-china-sea-rights-2024-04-12/
WASHINGTON, April 12 (Reuters) - The Philippines is determined to assert its sovereign rights in the South China Sea, its foreign secretary said on Friday at a meeting with U.S. allies to show support for Manila over an increasingly fraught standoff with China in the strategic waterway.
Speaking at the U.S. State Department, Enrique Manalo accused China of "escalation of its harassment" of the Philippines, while U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Washington stood with Manila against what he described as "coercion."
Recent maritime run-ins between China and the Philippines, a U.S. treaty ally, have made the highly strategic South China Sea a potential flashpoint between Washington and Beijing.
The officials spoke at a meeting between U.S. and Philippines defense and foreign secretaries and their national security advisers, a day after leaders of the U.S., Japan and the Philippines met at the White House to push back against Beijing's increased pressure on Manila.
"We are determined to assert our sovereign rights, especially within our economic - exclusive economic zone," Manalo said.
He said he hoped Friday's meeting would allow Washington and the Philippines to better coordinate their responses on the diplomatic and defense and security fronts.
Austin said the U.S. commitment to its mutual defense treaty with the Philippines was "ironclad".
"We're working in lockstep ... to strengthen interoperability between our forces, to expand our operational coordination and to stand up to coercion in the South China Sea," he said.

https://apnews.com/article/united-states-philippines-china-b8110edc6e2555190eeac4e07485d3f0
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration on Friday reassured the Philippines anew that the U.S. commitment to the country’s defense is steadfast amid increasing concerns about provocative Chinese actions in disputed areas of the South China Sea.
A day after President Joe Biden convened a trilateral summit involving himself, Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida and Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr., the U.S. and Filipino foreign and defense ministers and national security advisers met to discuss strategic and military issues.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and national security adviser Jake Sullivan hosted their Philippine counterparts at the State Department.
“Today’s meeting reflects the growing and deepening cooperation between our countries on a broad array of issues and of course our shared commitment to a free and open Indo-Pacific, including in the South China Sea,” Blinken said in brief opening remarks. “We very much welcome this opportunity to pursue that cooperation, that collaboration and of course we stand with the Philippines in our iron-clad defense commitments including the Mutual Defense Treaty.”

https://asiatimes.com/2023/02/us-marines-to-join-japanese-guarding-remote-islands/
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It appears the MLR (Marine Littoral Regiment) will deploy throughout the Nansei Shoto. Also known as the Ryukyus, this is the chain of islands extending from Kyushu – Japan’s southernmost main island – almost to Taiwan.
The Japan Ground Self-Defense Force (GSDF) has positioned intelligence, missile, and anti-aircraft units along the chain in recent years. And it plans to add more. The Marines add additional surveillance resources and firepower – as well as troops to help deal with enemy raiders.
So Chinese ships and aircraft coming within range of both US and Japanese missile batteries along the Nansei Shoto will need to tread carefully. Both in peacetime and wartime. Think of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) putting something like an MLR on a series of islands. Say, like they’ve done on man-made islands in the South China Sea.
The US Navy and Air Force either will avoid the area – or else will have to eliminate the threat.






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Reply #63 on: April 20, 2024, 03:57:54 pm
This is a bit "in your face", eh?

Warning To China! US, Philippines To SINK Chinese-Origin Naval Vessel In South China Sea Military Drills
By Sakshi Tiwari -April 18, 2024

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/warning-to-china-us-philippines-to-sink-chinese-origin/
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Reply #64 on: April 21, 2024, 11:15:43 pm
This is a bit "in your face", eh?

Warning To China! US, Philippines To SINK Chinese-Origin Naval Vessel In South China Sea Military Drills
By Sakshi Tiwari -April 18, 2024

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/warning-to-china-us-philippines-to-sink-chinese-origin/
Have I misunderstood something - does that say India and Russia are supplying missiles to The Philippines ?


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Reply #65 on: April 21, 2024, 11:56:30 pm
Have I misunderstood something - does that say India and Russia are supplying missiles to The Philippines ?
as i read it, india is using an American-made and a Russian-made aircraft to haul the Indian-made missiles
"the two heavy lifters of the IAF will be delivering BrahMos missiles"


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Reply #66 on: April 22, 2024, 12:42:29 am
I didn't see and references as to where the PI got their missiles in the "Chinese ship sinking" article.

THIS article talked about The PI getting Brahmos missiles from India. India seems to be on "our" side. The Brahmos was a product of an Indian-Russian joint venture. The missiles are coming from India.
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/indian-missiles-in-south-china-sea-to-push-back/

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/07/philippines-to-acquire-himars-more-brahmos-missiles/#:~:text=For%20the%20Shore%2DBased%20Missile,by%20the%20Philippine%20Marine%20Corps.
The BrahMos, developed by a Russian-Indian joint venture, was chosen for the Philippine navy’s shore-based anti-ship missile system, a part of a years-long effort to modernize the country’s armed forces. The missile has an 180-mile range that would allow it to reach targets around the Spratly Islands or in the strategically vital straits between the Philippines and Taiwan, and a cruising speed of well over Mach 2 that reduces the time targets would have to respond.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Philippines-set-to-be-first-buyer-of-India-Russia-cruise-missile

https://breakingdefense.com/2024/03/philippines-japan-near-long-range-missile-milestones-as-they-arm-up-for-china/



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