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Reply #15 on: September 28, 2023, 08:38:39 pm
It's a common observance that when someone does not respond to a comment in an intelligent manner and makes immature personal attacks instead, then they have no intelligent response.

Like this guy?

Ive been riding for 60 years and have been to over 35 States pulling a trailer.
You need a lot more time on a bike before taking that trip. You could use a mini bike or full dresser bike on that trip, it makes no difference if you don't have the experience to do it. Put a few thousand miles on it. Do you know to "push right to go right" yet ?

our info is based upon the same out of date into thats been floating around on the internet for years.  Ethanol production has a positive return and that doesn't include the high protein feed. There is only a couple hundred ethanol refineries in the US which means the rest is taken to local elevators and sold by them along with makers of dog food, chemicals, oils, sweetners etc.  There is literally thousands of use for corn. Ethanol is only one of them. So whatever fuel is used for corn thats used for ethanol is only a very small fraction of total use. But if you think there is more gas/diesel used for its production as compared to supertankers and wars for oil fields thats your right.

You think its heavy ?  Hate to see you on a Goldwing or similar size bike.  LOL  These things are like mini-bikes.

Reading this thread is like listening to a bunch of Jr High girls arguing over what hair ties look the best.   If this is the level of maturity that RE owners have............ WOW !

I'm 68 and have been riding for 60 years. Have owned just about every make possible. I can now sleep easily because I've now seen it all. 47hp bikes bragging about passing 70hp bikes.   Now if you want to tell the rest of the story about how much work has been done to your bike, then your bragging don't mean squat unless you went up against a HD with equal work.   LOL

Its a Midget and all harness was properly installed prior to race and checked by crew. Driver didn't notice anything wrong during prior laps. Best as they can figure out it was a perfect storm of events that caused his harness to unbuckle while he was flipping. Btw, your comments about forms of racing and the people involved you have shown to know nothing about are nothing but childish. Btw, for what its worth.... A while back I was looking for recommendations for exhaust.  Of all the suggestions, I chose yours and I'm presently waiting for delivery of the Verex pipes and mufflers.

I have never seen a motorcycle forum quite like this one. Where some members tell you to expect your brand new motorcycle to be a piece of shit that falls apart leaving you stranded several miles away from home. Now I wish that I didn't buy one and am waiting on decent weather to pick it up.

Your bragging about a car that the manufacturer dropped over ten years ago and was only made for 9 years ?   Sounds like a really reliable POS. Are you sure an RE is within your budget or did you have to get a morgage ?

Your right and I was wrong. Knowing that you never say anything positive I overreacted.

Thats your fucking examples of fucking intricate fucking painting ?!?!  Did you fucking open a fucking gallon of fucking paint and fucking throw it or did you fucking pour it fucking out ?   

Where did I say anything about loose bearings ? The bearings are in a cage and I never said or implied otherwise.

Thank you very much for letting everyone here know that your not impressed. I can't wait until you post a picture of the tanks you personally have painted just to prove how much you really do know about the subject.

6. Don't respond to comments you don't agree with by making personal attacks.

Amazing how one troll thats constantly looking for something to bitch about in damn near every thread can turn a perfectly fine forum into a pissing match.

I give respect by how mature the responses are.

I must apologize to you. I allowed myself to drop to the level you use in this forum when I repeated your comment in my remarks. I'm used to mature comments and responses and don't normally allow myself to do that. Considering the overwhelming amount of comments by you in all posts attack everyone instead of just making adult like comments like everyone else in this forum does, I allowed myself to get caught up in it.  Again, I'm sorry.

Thats easy for a woman to say. 

Why do you have to be a total jackass?  Are you a little man that makes himself feel big by consistently nitpicking every damn thing said ?

Republicans "calling" for violence ? If Palin had even come close to talking about real violence the Secret Serice would've arrested her. Unlike Dear Leader shit his pants Dementia Joe which has his DOJ stay clear of his supporters. Like when he allowed protestors in front of SCOTUS homes which is strictly forbidden by law and did nothing to protect Federal Buildings from being burnt to the ground by his Antifa gang.   

Obvious avoidance of the topic by profusion of radical left wingnut talking points.

Btw, its the right of anyone to protest an election. Gore and Hillary both said their elections were stolen from them.
Still waiting for you to say what a great President Kamala would make.

Doubtful that the Democrats don't come up with a way to push Dementia Joe out of the way considering his 54% disapproval rating due to his obvious mental condition and age which is being seen by the world leaders as the US being weak. Problem for the administration is Kamala who has had the lowest rating in the history of VP's. Democrats don't know wtf to do about her if there is issues with Dementia Joe. If he does stay in Office, there's no way to stop her without an impeachment.  Since she's a minority, AOC who tells Dementia Joe what to do (along with Hussien Obama) and her cohorts will scream that she's being discriminated against so she should be the next President because she is a minority.
So the question is.... what will the Democrats do about Kamala ?

Why do you copy/paste what everyone has already read or heard in news media, instead of posting your own opinions?

Would you support Kamala for President ?
I left out all the Jr. High level gibberish that appears to be required here.  I admit I can't compete against anyone at that level. My higher education prevents me from that.

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Reply #16 on: September 29, 2023, 12:20:56 am
The other moderator and i are getting tired of your childish sniping at each other. Please stop now!
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Reply #17 on: October 05, 2023, 03:51:36 pm
Using H2 production to "base load" nuclear facilities during times of reduced demand reduces plant wear and maintenance from mechanical load cycling & temperature swings. H2 is a way to capture energy for later use, either as chemical process feedstock or fuel for combustion or fuel cell generation.
Olde Skool Navy style "Evap-Condensers" allow freshwater to be made from seawater without having a lot of contaminated reverse osmosis membranes to deal with. Periodic mechanical cleaning does the job. The process is driven by the plant waste heat stream.


Nuclear hydrogen is promising, says US energy Loan Programs Office director; October 4, 2023
The carbon free electricity from these plants provides a low-cost way to make H2 with electrolysis.
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/nuclear-hydrogen-lpo/8561016/?awt_a=1jpsU&awt_l=9EoFC&awt_m=j3kmZ.HGD85DlsU
" H2 could then be used for a spectrum of different applications, such as fueling cement or steel production plants or.... for a vehicle refueling infrastructure. "


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Reply #18 on: October 05, 2023, 11:50:53 pm
Storage of any type can be used to offset base load problems in plants (whether Nuclear or Coal) that cannot be easily shutdown and restarted and need to tick over, even when demand is low.

The traditional way to do it was of course pumped hydro. The Snowy Scheme in Australia has been doing that since the 1950's . 

How H2 eventually shapes up in a national grid as large scale storage, versus alternatives like pumped hydro and large scale batteries, remains to be seen.

Clearly though you do not want the H2 storage to be at the same site as the nuclear reactors themselves, that would be ludicrously stupid and politically "disastrous".


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Reply #19 on: October 13, 2023, 08:19:14 pm
First Element to install world’s largest heavy truck hydrogen station
The company plans to open the first H2 refueling location in the Port of Oakland in California.
First Element Fuel has announced its intentions to open its first hydrogen station for refueling heavy trucks, which will also reportedly be the largest of its kind in the world.

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-station-trucks-first-el/8561067/?awt_a=1jpsU&awt_l=9EoFC&awt_m=hxr2CQ70T85DlsU#google_vignette

Presently, the company’s stations based in California have a daily volume of about 1,500 kilograms of H2 for refueling passenger vehicles.

“People claim to have heavy-duty stations out there,” said Stephens. “I would say those are maybe okay for pilot purposes, but they fall short of what you need in a real commercial setting for trucks. You need a station that can fill a truck in less than 10-minutes and you need a station that can fill 100 or 200 trucks a day – eventually, bigger than that…it doesn’t exist anywhere in the world.”

The new hydrogen station at the Port of Oakland will have a 15,000-kilogram daily capacity. Though the main target of the hydrogen station will be for heavy trucks, it will also be available to serve passenger vehicles and medium-duty vehicles. The new location is expected to open before the end of the year, likely in December.
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Reply #20 on: October 25, 2023, 07:10:39 pm
Liquid ammonia (NH3) stores in a pressure vessel at 300-400 PSI at normal temperatures, up to about 800 PSI at 220F. Iron & steel work for containers. This is agriculture tech. Lots of H2 & N2 readily available. This would work well for trucks, trains, heavy equipment & ships. Lots of ways to reduce CO2 if that's your intent.

Anhydrous ammonia will not corrode iron or steel, but will react rapidly with copper, brass, zinc and many alloys, especially those containing copper. Only steel or ductile iron should be used for anhydrous ammonia containers, piping and valves. Fittings should be forged steel.

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/ammonia-engine-toyota/8561347/?awt_a=1jpsU&awt_l=9EoFC&awt_m=izTWOlVUW85DlsU&expand_article=1
The ammonia engine is a form of internal combustion engine (ICE) powered primarily by ammonia, a molecule comprised of a nitrogen atom and three hydrogen atoms. It does not contain carbon. As a result, when it’s burned in an ICE, it does not release carbon dioxide, one of the major greenhouse gases. In the effort to decarbonize, the potential of this type of technology is considerable.
While Toyota has been moving forward with a diverse approach that includes battery electric vehicles, it has also had a notable focus on hydrogen cars. That said, this new design offers another promising alternative, particularly when keeping its high energy density in mind. This can make it a solid option for sectors where energy storage efficiency and transportation are central, such as power generation and transport.


https://e360.yale.edu/features/from-fertilizer-to-fuel-can-green-ammonia-be-a-climate-fix#:~:text=The%20traditional%2C%20cheap%20way%20of,of%20hundreds%20of%20degrees%20Celsius.
The simplest way to slash emissions from ammonia production is to take natural gas out of the equation and instead make hydrogen by splitting water with electricity sourced from renewables. The rest of the Haber-Bosch process remains the same, powered by renewable electricity. This is what the Minnesota plant, located at the University’s West Central Research and Outreach Center in the town of Morris, was doing when it opened in 2013, and it’s what many other commercial endeavors are planning on now. “This is a very dynamic field; there’s news out every day,” says Macfarlane.
Since 2018, experimental wind-driven green ammonia plants have been running in Britain and Japan. In the United States, CF Industries — the world’s current largest producer of ammonia — plans to have a flagship green ammonia plant at Donaldsonville, Louisiana producing 20,000 tons per year by 2023. In Australia, Yara’s Pilbara ammonia plant aims to produce 3,500 tons of green ammonia annually by the end of 2022, scaling that up 50-fold by 2030. The largest project on the books is planned for Saudi Arabia: A plant scheduled to open in 2025 aims to make 1.2 million tons of green ammonia per year. These plants are energy-hungry beasts that need dedicated wind or solar farms to power them, says Macfarlane.

Power production companies, too, are developing turbines that run on ammonia for electricity production. It might seem crazy to use electricity to make hydrogen, use that to make ammonia, move the ammonia, and turn it back into electricity again — you only get about 20 to 30 percent of the electricity back at the end, notes Faria, compared to say the 98 percent efficiency of a battery. But the benefits of easily storing and transporting that energy outweigh this problem, he says.
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Reply #21 on: January 20, 2024, 12:46:54 am
This plant was originally slated to be CAES only, but it was pointed out to them that using H2 electrolyzers makes it possible to store multiples more energy in the salt caverns than as CAES only. Expander turbines recapture some compressed gas energy when it is brought out to the HRSG generation plant. Commercial electrolyzers convert unneeded off-peak wind & solar into H2 gas and reduce the storage compression pressure delta. This facility makes renewables more useful, in turn increasing renewable investment.

You'll have to quiz SCE & PGE as to why they aren't all over this. Last numbers I ran were about 10:1 more bang for the buck in the Utah H2 plant concept than in battery storage. Salt domes don't "wear out" in 20 years like most batteries do. However, there is way more "Capital Spend" 10% guaranteed RoR money to be had in batteries. Just another case of Private Utilities favorite mantra -
"Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money..." ?

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-fuel-utah-battery/8562394/?awt_a=1jpsU&awt_l=9EoFC&awt_m=h3DbEZVRdO5DlsU

A small town in the state will be a part of a unique new plan for the H2 production as clean energy.
Just outside Delta, Utah, there is a small one-stoplight town that will soon be home to a massive underground battery that will use hydrogen fuel for storing excess energy.The project is part of a broader plan to produce a clean form of energy that can be stored in caverns.
The idea is to make it possible to produce carbon-free energy that can be stored in caverns so that it can be cleanly used to generate electricity when it is needed. In essence, it will be a massive battery that will be stored underground.
The location has two massive caverns underground, each of which is as tall as the Empire State Building.
The caverns are massive geological salt formations, where water is being used to remove the salt by dissolving it. Once the caverns are ready, they will be appropriate for storing large amounts of energy in the form of hydrogen fuel in gaseous form.
With this project, developers are seeking to use H2 to a larger potential than is typically the case. Among the developers is Chevron, the energy giant, which has purchased a majority stake in one of the two projects taking place in the tiny Utah town. This project will store excess electricity generated by solar and wind farms in the spring and fall when demand is low. Then, it will use the stored energy in the summer when the demand for electricity is high.From the stored hydrogen fuel, the electricity will be generated once again by using the H2 in a plant that will be built across the road from where the caverns are located. Initially, the plant will use a blend of H2 and natural gas and will burn it for electricity production.
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Reply #22 on: March 27, 2024, 08:24:43 pm
I believe the German WW2 piston aircraft used several upside-down engines, as well as the British Gypsy Moth?

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/ferrari-upside-down-hydrogen-engine/8563956/?awt_a=1jpsU&awt_l=9EoFC&awt_m=hM5Vh68zNO5DlsU#google_vignette

Ferrari’s patent reveals a concept that could potentially leapfrog the efforts of its competitors. The proposed engine boasts an inline-six configuration favored not just for its power delivery but also for facilitating the integration of hydrogen tanks strategically positioned on either side.

The Hydrogen Engine Design and Potential Impact on Performance
This unconventional upside down arrangement allows for a higher placement of the transaxle, paving the way for a more aggressive rear diffuser. All this is achieved without compromising the vehicle’s length, retaining a short wheelbase which Ferrari deems crucial for a true sports car experience.
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Reply #23 on: March 27, 2024, 09:14:22 pm
Not that unconventional the famous DB engines that powered the WWII bf109 fighters were an inverted V12.