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Royal Enfield Motorcycles => 650 Interceptor & Continental GT => Topic started by: jimku on January 16, 2020, 01:10:38 pm
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What are the best tires for an Interceptor? Best handling, best grip, best mileage, cost be damned?
If making a suggestion please provide a link to where to purchase ... if they can't be found for purchase they just don't exist.
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unfortunately "best" is subjective. and many of the characteristics of "best" are in conflict with each other. Such as grip vs mileage. Be that mileage meaning "long lasting" or even meaning "good fuel economy."
"best" may also apply to the type of riding you typically do...high speed highway cruising...or all the time twisties...city commuting....or track.
To some, a "best" tire would be a reasonable compromise of many factors...jack of all trades, if you will. But a track racer really cares about sticky....long lasting not an issue, as long as they last at least one race.
So typical of motorcycle forums...were gonna see guys chiming in with "I like this tire, or I like that tire", and give some reasons...and there will never be a definitive "best" .
So my favorite: Avon Road rider...these are not the "best"...they are jack of all trades. But then again with my skill level and "old man style" of riding....any "better tire" would simply be a waste.
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What are the best tires for an Interceptor? Best handling, best grip, best mileage, cost be damned?
If making a suggestion please provide a link to where to purchase ... if they can't be found for purchase they just don't exist.
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I enjoy his videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K9U7W_U9gA
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OK, here is my choice from my own digging so far.
MICHELIN PILOT ACTIVE
https://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/michelin-pilot-activ-motorcycle-tire/p/3763?b=2676835&CRTP=psc&gclid=CjwKCAiAx_DwBRAfEiwA3vwZYkKn64mObdvQ1JJ89IZSTBGdf949HUJ-nA9isqWl1NcL68ucviGZThoCRdAQAvD_BwE
https://youtu.be/vXPmO4FZ9Bk
https://youtu.be/_d_GCdTNdC4
https://youtu.be/3kx7glfWG7Y
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Like others who've already chimed in, I doubt there is one single "Best" tire for any model of bike. It all boils down to how you use it, style of riding, and one's comfort zone as far as fast-wearing "grippiness" vs. long-wearing economy with maybe less peg-scraping aptitude. I nurse along an old Iron Belly Bullet, so clearly testicle-retracting performance isn't as high on my list as good hard wearing rubber that I'll have to change as infrequently as possible to get me through the annual state inspections. I was happy enough running those OEM Avon Speedmaster IIs (aka. "Skidmasters") right on down to the cords, but she's now wearing a pair of those retro-looking Dunlop "Good Seal" K70s, which have been a superb fit for my rather sedate following-Grandma-to-the-doctor driving style. I've long favored those reasonably hard-wearing but tractable Dunlops on my Norton twins, and suspect that I'd be likely to shod any future Interceptor I might own in the same, once those OEM Pirellis wore out. A good deal for them can always be found through the online vendor Bike Bandit.
Speaking of those OEM Pirellis, I am led to understand from some online review I can no longer now exactly recall, that the ones shipping on the new 650s are actually specially made to slightly lesser specs for Enfield than the "real original Pirellis", which, among other aspects, are said to have a tad more tread depth and hence wear a bit longer. So, of you were happy enough with the OEM ones, you might want to give the "real" ones a try.
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Speaking of those OEM Pirellis, I am led to understand from some online review I can no longer now exactly recall, that the ones shipping on the new 650s are actually specially made to slightly lesser specs for Enfield than the "real original Pirellis", which, among other aspects, are said to have a tad more tread depth and hence wear a bit longer.
Sounds like the recent FortNine video...
https://youtu.be/Tv97i_-V7hA (https://youtu.be/Tv97i_-V7hA)
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she's now wearing a pair of those retro-looking Dunlop "Good Seal" K70s, which have been a superb fit for my rather sedate following-Grandma-to-the-doctor driving style.
From all of my poking around, the Dunlop K70's aren't even available in sizes to fit an Interceptor.
100/90-18 FRONT
130/70-18 REAR
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Sounds like the recent FortNine video...
https://youtu.be/Tv97i_-V7hA (https://youtu.be/Tv97i_-V7hA)
Great video and oh so true. I don't expect my OEM tires to last more than one season, and they DEFINITELY are not up to the feel/performance of the Dunlops I had on my last bike. So far my searching hasn't found any Dunlop tires that will fit my Interceptor.
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OK, here is my choice from my own digging so far.
MICHELIN PILOT ACTIVE
https://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/michelin-pilot-activ-motorcycle-tire/p/3763?b=2676835&CRTP=psc&gclid=CjwKCAiAx_DwBRAfEiwA3vwZYkKn64mObdvQ1JJ89IZSTBGdf949HUJ-nA9isqWl1NcL68ucviGZThoCRdAQAvD_BwE
Based on my fairly extensive research, that looks like the best option to me, too. Can't believe it, but I've got 4600 miles on my INT650 and will
be needing a new rear before too long.
john
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That's a real shame if the Dunlops can't fit the Interceptors, 'cause they'd really look the part.
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There's a guy running those old Firestone replicas on his GT. If they are anything like the original tires they will last the rest of your life. Of course if they grip like the old ones, the rest of your life won't be very long😉
Every now and then someone will chime in about car tires. I bought a GoldWing that had them. The dumbest idea ever! Generally speaking, grip and mileage are mutually exclusive.
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There's a guy running those old Firestone replicas on his GT. If they are anything like the original tires they will last the rest of your life. Of course if they grip like the old ones, the rest of your life won't be very long😉
Ha ha Clown Shoes!! ;D
Personally, I think almost any of the tyres that fit a INT650 will be good enough for it. The one I rode last week was still on stock Phantoms and they were good enough to ride to the edges. IDK if the tyres are the cause of the weave I felt but still felt safe enough.
Tyres I use on my bikes that come in Enfield size:
Metzeler Lasertec: Looks period on my classic Ducati. Ride really nicely. But wear out fast
Pirelli Sport Demon: On my GT. I've used them, Bridgestone BT45 and Dunlop 601 on the GT. I'm back on the Sport Demons now. Sweet handling and look good. Last about 8000km, front and back. By the time the rear's squared off, the sides of the front are gone. The Sport Demon front didn't seem to play nicely with the BT45 rear for some reason
Bridgestone BT45: used them on a bunch of bikes over the years, have them on my street Motard now. They're like a "go to" tyre. They just work. Rear lasted 12,000km on my CGT.
Pirelli City Demon: On my honda c90. Good enough to drag pegs in the wet.
IMO, FWIW, YMMV etc.
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That's a real shame if the Dunlops can't fit the Interceptors, 'cause they'd really look the part.
Yes, they so look good. And they are good tires. I had Dunlops on my 850 Yamaha triple in Phoenix and put around 20,000 miles on them.
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Personally, I think almost any of the tyres that fit a INT650 will be good enough for it.
I ride a lot of twisty, kinky mountain roads here in Ideeho, and almost every ride at least one corner "sneaks up" on me and makes my butt pucker. So I definitely want tires that will corner well and brake well. And by corner well I mean "Oooooooh Shiiiiiiiiiit" corners. You know ... the ones usually followed by Bang Ding Ow. And on the roads I ride, if I lose it, it's often a hundred foot drop straight down into a shallow river lined with boulders ... or into a vertical cliff face of solid rock.
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Go with "grip"
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I ride a lot of twisty, kinky mountain roads here in Ideeho, and almost every ride at least one corner "sneaks up" on me and makes my butt pucker. So I definitely want tires that will corner well and brake well. And by corner well I mean "Oooooooh Shiiiiiiiiiit" corners. You know ... the ones usually followed by Bang Ding Ow. And on the roads I ride, if I lose it, it's often a hundred foot drop straight down into a shallow river lined with boulders.
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Go with "grip"
Yupper, I want grip like super glue.
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I ride a lot of twisty, kinky mountain roads here in Ideeho, and almost every ride at least one corner "sneaks up" on me and makes my butt pucker. So I definitely want tires that will corner well and brake well. And by corner well I mean "Oooooooh Shiiiiiiiiiit" corners. You know ... the ones usually followed by Bang Ding Ow. And on the roads I ride, if I lose it, it's often a hundred foot drop straight down into a shallow river lined with boulders ... or into a vertical cliff face of solid rock.
Maybe it's not a bad idea to go do some rider training in that case? CSS or similar is a good investment. Might help reduce those "oh shit" moments. Modern tyres are awesome and most people never use all the tyre has to give. I've smashed plenty of "fast" guys on modern supersports with hypersport rubber on my old TRX850 with Dunlop Roadsmart III (sport touring). Obviously there are also plenty of guys faster than me, too. I get rounded up by crew on 300 ninja's and classic road racers on really skinny rubber. Difference is they've done training and know how to ride, and what a tyre can give.
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You basically need to find a TUBED low profile tyre with the same profile as stock (100/90-18 tyre at the front and a 130/70-18 tyre at the rear I believe ??? ) If you know what you are doing you can potentially play with the profile a smidgeon (110/80 on front instead of 100/90 for example) but it will definitely effect handling, usually detrimentally.
The K70 are probably not suitable as they are old school "square" profile tyres not low profile.
If I owned an interceptor I would likely try to shoehorn on the same MT60s adventure bike tyres used used on the v7 Rough - though I actually have no idea if they are available in sizes to suit the Interceptor.
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Well, the more training you get, the better you think you are, and the faster you ride, and it doesin't reduce the "Oh Shit" moments even a little bit because bad corners will still "sneak up" on you. More training, especially "go fast" training just thurns OW into OW. I know because I once left a two-lane blacktop at 90 mph and ... it hurts like hell and it hurts for a looong time! It took 10 years to stop walking like that stiff-legged deputy Chester on Gunsmoke. I have zero interest in learning "knee-dragging" techniques because the bike just isn't designed for that and is pretty much incapable of performing in that envelope even if I am.
And I flat will not ride a bike with tube tires. No way. Those roads have looong stretches up to 100 miles long with no service whatsoever including cell service to call roadside assistance. I have NO INTENTION of EVER spending two hours crawling around in the dirt, laying my bike down in the gravel just to get a front wheel off, and packing around 40 lbs of tire irons, tubes, etc. just to swap out a punctured tube. I spent six long months searching for a good source of tubeless alloy wheels for the Interceptor and wouldn't have bought the bike if I hadn't found one
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Handy calculator if you are having trouble getting the right profile:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc?tires=100-90r18-110-80r18
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"...Speaking of those OEM Pirellis, I am led to understand from some online review I can no longer now exactly recall, that the ones shipping on the new 650s are actually specially made to slightly lesser specs for Enfield than the "real original Pirellis", which, among other aspects, are said to have a tad more tread depth and hence wear a bit longer."
Sounds like the recent FortNine video...
https://youtu.be/Tv97i_-V7hA (https://youtu.be/Tv97i_-V7hA)
Thanks Mattsz! That's the one. That FortNine channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNSMdQtn1SuFzCZjfK2C7dQ) just keeps getting better and better, doesn't it? The production values are often just WAY finer than you'd expect for a moto-vlog...even sort of "artsy". And the presenter "Ryan Fort9" (aka. Ryan Kluftinger (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/an-interview-with-fortnines-ryan-f9)) gives it all just the right twist of good natured Canadian snark.
Formerly known as "Canada's Motorcycle", I've often wondered why they chose to rename the company "Fort Nine". Frankly, it's a little too reminiscent of this cursed and dreaded place (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_Fort). But it turns out the moniker had typically Canadian and characteristically "nice" origins (https://youtu.be/tSAR0b-0w8k).
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Well, the more training you get, the better you think you are, and the faster you ride, and it doesin't reduce the "Oh Shit" moments even a little bit because bad corners will still "sneak up" on you. More training, especially "go fast" training just thurns OW into OW.
You are so wrong. A good training provider will listen to what you want to work on and focus on those things. Training isn't all about knee dragging and wheelies. They are fun, though. You can choose to work on your roadcraft and corner reading which I can promise you do indeed reduce the OH Shit moments, because the corners no longer sneak up on you.
If you're not prepared to improve your riding skills, no amount of sticky Tyre is going to save you because you don't know how to use it. Get some BT45's and enjoy a nice ride, excellent cornering and long life. They'll still be hanging on long after you've run out of testicles and talent. They're very good. More tyre is a waste. If you can't drag pegs, they're all you need and more than you can use.
Training rocks. It's made me safer, smoother, faster and more aware. I save the fast riding for the track. If you're not prepared to improve your skills and hope that super sticky tyres are going to save your arse, you're more likely to smear yourself over a cliff face than to get a puncture miles from home.
Do what you want. It's your skin.
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And the presenter "Ryan Fort9" (aka. Ryan Kluftinger (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/an-interview-with-fortnines-ryan-f9)) gives it all just the right twist of good natured Canadian snark.
I do loves me some Canadian snark...
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You are so wrong. A good training provider will listen to what you want to work on and focus on those things. Training isn't all about knee dragging and wheelies. They are fun, though. You can choose to work on your roadcraft and corner reading which I can promise you do indeed reduce the OH Shit moments, because the corners no longer sneak up on you.
If you're not prepared to improve your riding skills, no amount of sticky Tyre is going to save you because you don't know how to use it. Get some BT45's and enjoy a nice ride, excellent cornering and long life. They'll still be hanging on long after you've run out of testicles and talent. They're very good. More tyre is a waste. If you can't drag pegs, they're all you need and more than you can use.
Training rocks. It's made me safer, smoother, faster and more aware. I save the fast riding for the track. If you're not prepared to improve your skills and hope that super sticky tyres are going to save your arse, you're more likely to smear yourself over a cliff face than to get a puncture miles from home.
Do what you want. It's your skin.
Well, for a younger rider you're probably right. I am 71, have been riding all my life, and have gotten MUCH wiser than I used to be. I ride well within my capabilities and watch every training video I can get my hands on, and put it into practice. I haven't had a corner "sneak up" on me in years. I practice my low-speed weaving / turning / stopping / swerving skills on a weekly basis in a big parking lot. I have taken advanced rider training through the STARS program and practice that as well ... in a parking lot. The street isn't the place to "practice" that stuff in panic mode. Actually my main concern for great grip is for high speed braking / swerving ... a deer jumping out of the brush ... or a boulder going "plop" right in front of me off of an overhanging cut, ... and by "high speed" I mean 65 or less on two-lane black top. Or some idiot suddenly turning hard in front of me in an intersection or unexpectedly slamming on their brakes in city traffic. And on the freeway at 70 / 75 anything can happen. I am a VERY defensive driver / rider, but still, shit happens. One time I was about 6 car lengths behind a semi tractor (just the truck, no trailer) doing about 75 on the freeway in Phoenix. No other cars in sight, clear sailing. In about a quarter second he was doing cookies down the freeway, going round and round swapping ends, all over three lanes. Another time some redneck's camper shell blew off in front of me ... damn near bought the farm on that one.
When I see videos of some Bozo dragging knees on a highway I always have one thought ... "Hmmm a nice size rock in the knee cap might smarten him up some". And when I see some clown pulling wheelies on a street or freeway in my mind he just lit up a big neon sign on his back that reads "IDIOT". To me those people are hand-grenades with a loose pin.
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I ride a lot of twisty, kinky mountain roads here in Ideeho, and almost every ride at least one corner "sneaks up" on me and makes my butt pucker.
I haven't had a corner "sneak up" on me in years.
So you are saying that you only ride every few years?
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So you are saying that you only ride every few years?
Nice interception sir!
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So you are saying that you only ride every few years?
Apparently you get yourself in trouble every time you ride? Need training wheels?
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Play nice now boys, play nice.... :'(
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Play nice now boys, play nice.... :'(
Just good-natured poking and jabbing, all is good. I appreciate his wit and sardonic sense of humor. ;)
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/179/b/2/feelin__the_groove_by_tantetabata-d6b3rh2.gif)
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…….or you can just go out and take a nice leisurely ride and be very thankful you can do that!
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…….or you can just go out and take a nice leisurely ride and be very thankful you can do that!
All of my rides are nice leisurely rides and I am thankful that I can do that! And thankful that I could stop walking stiff-legged like Chester on Gunsmoke! That accident broke 7 ribs in back one inch from my spine and 5 ribs in front, crushed my left wrist and they had to take bone out of my left hip to rebuild my wrist. I guarantee that will put a serious hitch in your git-along.
And every single time I get ready to ride, as I put on my helmet, I recite my mantra: "Every cage driver out there has one mission and that is to kill me" and I ride like a fighter pilot, fully alert at all times and constantly scanning for "a bogie at 10 o'clock high" and being very careful not to enter a 40mph corner at a nice leisurely 60mph. ;)
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So you are saying that you only ride every few years?
Well played, sir.
When I see videos of some Bozo dragging knees on a highway I always have one thought ... "Hmmm a nice size rock in the knee cap might smarten him up some". And when I see some clown pulling wheelies on a street or freeway in my mind he just lit up a big neon sign on his back that reads "IDIOT". To me those people are hand-grenades with a loose pin.
Ah well, you do you and I'll do me.
We probably both think we're better than we are anyway.
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Well played, sir.
Ah well, you do you and I'll do me.
We probably both think we're better than we are anyway.
I will happily continue being me. Much safer that way. Don't need a box of rocks hung out behind the rear wheel to make my Interceptor pull a wheelie. 10 years walking with a stiff leg and wincing from pain in my side every time I sat down or stood up was enough "go fast" lesson for me. I hope your day of reckoning never comes. It hurts good and proper. ;)
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So you are saying that you only ride every few years?
Dude, give him a break. He's old and doesn't remember what he said ;D
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I had Michelin Pilot Active on my old BMW R65LS and really liked them.. I will probably replace with those, one the time comes
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I had Michelin Pilot Active on my old BMW R65LS and really liked them.. I will probably replace with those, one the time comes
The only thing about them that I question is that straight center-line sipe around the circumference of the front tire. Seems like that would tend to "grab' rain grooves on freeways?
Because of that I am now looking VERY hard at these Pirelli Sport Deamons
https://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/pirelli-sport-demon-motorcycle-tire/p/11681
https://youtu.be/sWMmZLgpg88
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For the UK market at least, these are the main tyre candidates for the Interceptor 650, in addition to the stock Pirelli Phantom Sportscomp. I don't know about availability in other markets:
Bridgestone BT46
Avon Roadrider Mk II
Michelin Pilot Activ
Dunlop Arrowmax Streetsmart
Continental ContiGO!
Metzeler Lasertec
Pirelli Sport Demon
I'm disinclined to consider the last two. The stock Pirellis are merely OK and the front tends to threaten to cause a weave at higher motorway speeds. It may be down to the radial-type carcass construction, but anyway I intend to replace them. Metzeler is Pirelli's sister brand and the Lasertecs' tread patterns are pretty old-school, although the compounds are claimed to be updated.
Of the others only the Continentals don't have a circumferential groove on the front. They'll fit, obviously, and I'm sure they'll work, but I struggle to find any independent reviews to enable me to assess how good they are.
Having had good experience with Bridgestones in the past I'm tending to favour those, but all the others have come in for praise from various riders in the Interceptor 650 UK owners' group on Facebook.
I'd welcome input from anyone here with direct personal experience of any of the options I've mentioned.
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I have ordered BT46 just this morning and should get them early of next week. So I should be able to give an initial report next week.
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The only thing about them that I question is that straight center-line sipe around the circumference of the front tire. Seems like that would tend to "grab' rain grooves on freeways?
Because of that I am now looking VERY hard at these Pirelli Sport Deamons
https://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/pirelli-sport-demon-motorcycle-tire/p/11681
https://youtu.be/sWMmZLgpg88
Ive just fitted sport demons 100/90 and 140/70 to my interceptor and although they grip like a drowning rat I find them "hard" and lumpy under me. No vibration but a thumping sensation at low speeds. On the motorway they're smooth and great.
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anyone else paying $200 just to have tires mounted? +$400 per pair or much more depending on brand?
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anyone else paying $200 just to have tires mounted? +$400 per pair or much more depending on brand?
I pay $40 (on the bike) $25 wheel off
That's likely a little below market.
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I pay $40 (on the bike) $25 wheel off
That's likely a little below market.
I must live in a vacuum of reasonable. Getting work done on bikes here has always been outrageous. Price and difficulty
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anyone else paying $200 just to have tires mounted? +$400 per pair or much more depending on brand?
I'm good with that, as long as there's a tyre supplied with the fitting.
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I fitted Avon Roadriders to mine, and i find them to provide excellent grip and much improved handling, and way better than the original Pirellis.
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I fitted Avon Roadriders to mine, and i find them to provide excellent grip and much improved handling, and way better than the original Pirellis.
What sizes did you go?
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I'm good with that, as long as there's a tyre supplied with the fitting.
No kidding. If you're paying that ON TOP of the price of a tire, that's highway robbery. Here I think Cycle Gear charges $50/tire (plus mounting, balancing, other fees) if you don't buy from them, but local folks go a bit less.
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I fitted Avon Roadriders to mine, and i find them to provide excellent grip and much improved handling, and way better than the original Pirellis.
How are they in the wet?
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I sometimes wonder why you quote someone but don't make a comment. Then on occasion I realize you put your comment inside their quote.
Try writing your comment after the bracketed slash "quote" close bracket.
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How are they in the wet?
That is my prime concern - any tyre works ok on a dry road, but many are lethal in the wet.
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Avons used to be great, I had them on my Kettle and '01 Bonneville. I'll quite likely have them on my Interceptor too. They're a British tyre (ok, owned by Cooper now) and it rains a lot here!
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I went with the Avon Road Riders ...
and red lettering paint ...
and I am sure there is an argument brewing about my wheels ... the design doesn't make me turn back-flips, but they are literally the only tubeless alloy wheels I could find,
but here you go.
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That is my prime concern - any tyre works ok on a dry road, but many are lethal in the wet.
Posted by: greentrumpet
« on: Today at 10:41:44 pm »
Avons used to be great, I had them on my Kettle and '01 Bonneville. I'll quite likely have them on my Interceptor too. They're a British tyre (ok, owned by Cooper now) and it rains a lot here!
Avons have gotten even better in the rain. Read about the "sipe' pockets they have and the under bridging. I'm on my 3rd set on my V-Strom 1000A. I test the rain grip (tire and road surface) by setting my traction control to high then on a straight safe area I'll drop into 2nd gear and crank it. To see if the TC light flashes. Nope. Sometime it will flicker on a concrete surface, but not much. I'm using the TrailRiders but the compounds and carcass is the same on the RoadRider.
I have a set ready to mount on the RE when the world opens up again. And at this point Avon still does not outsource these models. (Mr. Cooper said it was okay to misspell tyre) ;)
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I fitted Avon Roadriders to mine, and i find them to provide excellent grip and much improved handling, and way better than the original Pirellis.
What sizes did you go?
I just used same tyre sizes as the originals.
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How are they in the wet?
[Quote from: Bassman1 on Yesterday at 08:30:34 am
I fitted Avon Roadriders to mine, and i find them to provide excellent grip and much improved handling, and way better than the original Pirellis.
How are they in the wet?]
Not ridden this particular bike in the wet yet, so can't compare. But for me, i usually find that any type of general purpose road tyre will perform way less great in the wet anyway, but usually in comparative proportion to its' dry performance (i.e. if it's good in the dry, it's usually good enough for me in the wet too).
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No kidding. If you're paying that ON TOP of the price of a tire, that's highway robbery. Here I think Cycle Gear charges $50/tire (plus mounting, balancing, other fees) if you don't buy from them, but local folks go a bit less.
Nope, 600+ depending on the tire choice. Insane and yeah, robbery.
All the shops around me are the same. my dealer is the worst, he quoted me up to over 700
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anyone else paying $200 just to have tires mounted?
Holy Moses! That sounds like highway robbery... But what the heck do I know? I haven't paid to have tires mounted in about 10 years now, and have never had them done on a bike wheel.
At prices like that, I'll be mounting them myself!
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Jeeze!
Just go buy some f-ing tires...and put them on...and go riding!
Have a nice day..
Cookie
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Avon Roadrider Mk II. Hearing only good things about these tyres
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So I should be able to give an initial report next week.
Well, after a few hundred miles very good experience with the BT46! I really would recommend them, excellent grip and feedback, and the longitudinal sensitivity of the stock Pirellis is completely gone. Together with Öhlins fork kit it feels like a new bike ;)
After weeks without rain some rain is announced for end of week, so I will check the wet performance later this week.
Mike
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Well, after a few hundred miles very good experience with the BT46! I really would recommend them, excellent grip and feedback, and the longitudinal sensitivity of the stock Pirellis is completely gone. Together with Öhlins fork kit it feels like a new bike ;)
After weeks without rain some rain is announced for end of week, so I will check the wet performance later this week.
Mike
Did you ever get those Bridgestones wet, MikeAlpha?
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Not on an Interceptor, but we changed from Pirelli Pilot Street zu BT46 on my daughters Yamaha MT-125.
Much better damped and no issues in the rain. She rides every day, also in lousy wheather, to school. And she goes fast round corners. Sometimes to fast for my opinion ;) ;)
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Did you ever get those Bridgestones wet, MikeAlpha?
Yes, I got. No issues in the rain at all, felt better than the BT45 I used on many bikes before. So definitely an improvement as that was considered to be a weak part of the BT45.
At 8-10C outside temperature the tires need just a few KM to warm up enough.
I can really recommend the BT46!
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Sounds good! Now all I need to do is find the right sizes... stocks here are a bit patchy.
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I have had BTxx tyres on every bike i owned except the int, and i hated each and every one of them. bt 10,12,14,20,21. They were the stock tyres on my previous ninja 650r, and i binned them after a week.
I hate how they end up with a shape like this \_/ instead of keeping round. They really end up with 3 flat surfaces. I hate they give absolutely no feeling in the rain. Yes, the 10/12/14 are ok, but they never tell you how much grip you have "remaining", so it grips, and then suddenly it does not. there is no progressivity.
I found the pilot road 2ct and newer to fit exactly what i wanted from a tyre in the rain: it grips, AND i can feel how much grip is remaining. The grip also break progressively.
I'd really like to get that again on the RE ... are the avon like that ?
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I have had BTxx tyres on every bike i owned except the int, and i hated each and every one of them. bt 10,12,14,20,21. They were the stock tyres on my previous ninja 650r, and i binned them after a week.
I hate how they end up with a shape like this \_/ instead of keeping round. They really end up with 3 flat surfaces. I hate they give absolutely no feeling in the rain. Yes, the 10/12/14 are ok, but they never tell you how much grip you have "remaining", so it grips, and then suddenly it does not. there is no progressivity.
I found the pilot road 2ct and newer to fit exactly what i wanted from a tyre in the rain: it grips, AND i can feel how much grip is remaining. The grip also break progressively.
I'd really like to get that again on the RE ... are the avon like that ?
Your description above ... I get it and share that opinion.
I don't like what I call "toggle switch traction". I like tires that "walk" a little. I spent some time a couple of days ago in the "Are larger tires possible" thread describing my 90/10 Avons on my RE. When reading your other posts and watching your trackday videos I think you could find some satisfaction with one of three Avon choices depending on your personal fine-line distinctions between road riding and sport/track.
I've been through a few sets of Avons on other bikes over the years and find them to stay round (not flat-center). The newer ones with the 3D Sipe Technology give me extra confidence in the rain. I've tested them in a water covered parking lot and also by putting my traction control in the most sensitive setting and in a controlled way seeing if I can make the light flash in the rain. I think they are wicked good.
I have not had them on the RE long (2 gays) but I have no reason to expect them behave differently than before. But as you pointed out, tires shouldn't be judged by the last mili-ounce of traction but by the hints they give you moments prior to that limit. Then it is up to us to be able to take a hint ;).
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I hate how they end up with a shape like this \_/ instead of keeping round.
Depends what you are looking for. E.. g. the stock Pirelli have a clearly more rounded shape than the BT46, which comes at the price of less directional stability and longitudinal sensivity. The BT46 just ignores these longitudinal lines, where the Pirellis have been nervously "dancing" over.
Do you really get in the range where tires tell you "I'm out of grip soon" ? Usually the footpegs touch the road before that. Maybe the GT footpegs have more ground clearance though than on the Interceptor.
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Depends what you are looking for. E.. g. the stock Pirelli have a clearly more rounded shape than the BT46, which comes at the price of less directional stability and longitudinal sensivity. The BT46 just ignores these longitudinal lines, where the Pirellis have been nervously "dancing" over.
Do you really get in the range where tires tell you "I'm out of grip soon" ? Usually the footpegs touch the road before that. Maybe the GT footpegs have more ground clearance though than on the Interceptor.
I had a set of BT45 on my BMW and loved them. I currently have a set of Bridgestone Battlax Hypersport S20 EVO on my CBR. They too are really great but creep into the toggle-switch category.
I totally agree with you that they (BT4x) are very stable, as you describe. I think they are an excellent choice.
To be clear, I don't ride like a hooligan all the time. In fact over the course of a day's ride only maybe 40 minutes of it are stupid. But yeah, even at just sporty speeds you can feel the tires giving up a little and walking. You notice it not so much at steep lean sweepers but it will "back in" a bit entering a really tight corner or, on the big bikes, as you leave a tight turn. Sometimes, there is a layer of dust (not dirt) where trucks have entered the road and lasts for a couple of turns. That is where my hypersport tire with its' fewer groves gives you a more sudden move sideways instead of moving tread block to tread block. I hate that, so I opt to choose tires that would never win on a track for designs which might place 7th.
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I understand, I'm just not sure if that plays a role for the Interceptor. I haven't noticed that effect with the BT46 yet, even though I have a sporty test drive I sometimes use on a Sunday morning with next to no traffic.
In the video the guy is scratching his pegs at a lean angle that is probably still far away from that tire "switching" effect. So it doesn't play that much of a role for everyday riding. Footpegs are the limit not tires.
https://youtu.be/YzeGPYJQf-o. (at 2:07)
On a Conti GT with a track day setup it's a different story of course.
A test of classic tires (sorry, it's in German) had the Avon finish last place, mainly due to its bad wet performance. That didn't make me feel comfortable looking at Avon.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motorradonline.de/zubehoer/8-motorradreifen-fuer-klassiker-und-youngtimer-im-test-dimensionen-100-90-18-und-120-90-18/amp/
The test also revealed the need to modernise the BT45, which IMO they did with the BT46.
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Avons are excellent tires. I've always run my bikes with either Avons, Bridgestones or Michelins and never had any issues. The Avons just feel that bit better on classic bikes to me, not really sure why, but you can certainly feel the difference. I like the Bridgestones on heavier bikes and Michelins any time they are on special offer!
In terms of wet weather performance, I've never tested any tire to it's limits as I tend not to ride in the rain. If I get caught out I simply take it a little slower round the twisties.
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A test of classic tires (sorry, it's in German) had the Avon finish last place, mainly due to its bad wet performance. That didn't make me feel comfortable looking at Avon.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motorradonline.de/zubehoer/8-motorradreifen-fuer-klassiker-und-youngtimer-im-test-dimensionen-100-90-18-und-120-90-18/amp/
Were the Avons so bad they couldn't bring themselves to write anything about them? :o
Or has it literally been lost in translation?
Anyway, scratching my head now...
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Depends what you are looking for. E.. g. the stock Pirelli have a clearly more rounded shape than the BT46, which comes at the price of less directional stability and longitudinal sensivity. The BT46 just ignores these longitudinal lines, where the Pirellis have been nervously "dancing" over.
Do you really get in the range where tires tell you "I'm out of grip soon" ? Usually the footpegs touch the road before that. Maybe the GT footpegs have more ground clearance though than on the Interceptor.
I’m with NVDucati here. I like progressive feel, no surprises. Surprises are what causes highsides, for xample. I can dig a bike squirrelling around, lets you know where you stand.
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I can dig a bike squirrelling around, lets you know where you stand.
Having grown up riding ill-handling rubber framed bikes I worry when they track true and clean. When it comes to tyre pressures I say put some air into them when the rims ping on potholes. Real men just ride what's under them and don't Nancy about too much. 8)
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Having grown up riding ill-handling rubber framed bikes I worry when they track true and clean. When it comes to tyre pressures I say put some air into them when the rims ping on potholes. Real men just ride what's under them and don't Nancy about too much. 8)
👍😁😂
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Having grown up riding ill-handling rubber framed bikes I worry when they track true and clean. When it comes to tyre pressures I say put some air into them when the rims ping on potholes. Real men just ride what's under them and don't Nancy about too much. 8)
haha, that's another way to do it! ;D
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Having grown up riding ill-handling rubber framed bikes I worry when they track true and clean. When it comes to tyre pressures I say put some air into them when the rims ping on potholes. Real men just ride what's under them and don't Nancy about too much. 8)
He, he, yes, of course ;D
Real men have tamed Kawasaki Mach III or Z900 back in the eighties, have won "how long can I ride on the rear wheel only" competitions, and disc brakes and ABS are for loosers only. Real men have survived drum brakes ;D
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Were the Avons so bad they couldn't bring themselves to write anything about them? :o
Or has it literally been lost in translation?
Ouch, yes. Looks like they lost the Avon part when transferring their magazine article online. I have read the original article and remember the wet performance was the worst in the test lineup.
Avon has changed to the Roadmaster MKII now, but I didn't come across any report or test yet.
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haha, that's another way to do it! ;D
So true. I think I’ve said similar elsewhere. Some of the crap machinery I’ve hooned around on make this bike look like a Maserati
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Having grown up riding ill-handling rubber framed bikes I worry when they track true and clean. When it comes to tyre pressures I say put some air into them when the rims ping on potholes. Real men just ride what's under them and don't Nancy about too much. 8)
Drum brakes, ABS-less, riding in the 80s. Been there, done that. Maybe we're supposed to relish white-lining.
I'm not really interested in a pissing contest about it, or, indeed, about track performance. I just a) want to access the real benefits of tech improvements for normal riding and b) not get suckered by the incredible volume of promotional guff around tyres.
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I understand, I'm just not sure if that plays a role for the Interceptor. I haven't noticed that effect with the BT46 yet, even though I have a sporty test drive I sometimes use on a Sunday morning with next to no traffic.
In the video the guy is scratching his pegs at a lean angle that is probably still far away from that tire "switching" effect. So it doesn't play that much of a role for everyday riding. Footpegs are the limit not tires.
https://youtu.be/YzeGPYJQf-o. (at 2:07)
On a Conti GT with a track day setup it's a different story of course.
A test of classic tires (sorry, it's in German) had the Avon finish last place, mainly due to its bad wet performance. That didn't make me feel comfortable looking at Avon.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motorradonline.de/zubehoer/8-motorradreifen-fuer-klassiker-und-youngtimer-im-test-dimensionen-100-90-18-und-120-90-18/amp/
The test also revealed the need to modernise the BT45, which IMO they did with the BT46.
Thanks for the comments, I value your opinions.
I don't read German but I did try to use babble fish translator (limited value). I couldn't find the date of that review but I notice that they didn't include the current BT46 nor the current Avon Mark 2 RoadRider. In fact, I couldn't find the actual review of the Avon, just the name and country of origin. I did notice that the Pirelli placed last but yet ahead of the original RoadRider.
That review aside, I think you are absolutely correct that reaching the limit of traction is not and should not be a part of our daily riding. It only matters at the margins. The only time we see those margins is when we screw up a little.
I simply vote for wider margins. (and wider tires)
I think there is broad agreement here that while the OEM are fine, there is a search for better.
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Your description above ... I get it and share that opinion.
I don't like what I call "toggle switch traction". I like tires that "walk" a little. I spent some time a couple of days ago in the "Are larger tires possible" thread describing my 90/10 Avons on my RE. When reading your other posts and watching your trackday videos I think you could find some satisfaction with one of three Avon choices depending on your personal fine-line distinctions between road riding and sport/track.
I've been through a few sets of Avons on other bikes over the years and find them to stay round (not flat-center). The newer ones with the 3D Sipe Technology give me extra confidence in the rain. I've tested them in a water covered parking lot and also by putting my traction control in the most sensitive setting and in a controlled way seeing if I can make the light flash in the rain. I think they are wicked good.
I have not had them on the RE long (2 gays) but I have no reason to expect them behave differently than before. But as you pointed out, tires shouldn't be judged by the last mili-ounce of traction but by the hints they give you moments prior to that limit. Then it is up to us to be able to take a hint ;).
Thanks for your information, although you may be confusing me with someone else, my trackday videos usually feature cars, either high power turbo engines crammed in old RWD cars, or just very lightweight RWD cars with no assistance whatsoever ;D
Depends what you are looking for. E.. g. the stock Pirelli have a clearly more rounded shape than the BT46, which comes at the price of less directional stability and longitudinal sensivity. The BT46 just ignores these longitudinal lines, where the Pirellis have been nervously "dancing" over.
Do you really get in the range where tires tell you "I'm out of grip soon" ? Usually the footpegs touch the road before that. Maybe the GT footpegs have more ground clearance though than on the Interceptor.
Ok, i will try to get a more precise description. I want mainly 3 things: feeling, progressive grip loss, and a tyre that keeps roundish when it gets older. I do not need ultimate grip, i'd rather have a bit lower grip and tyres that start getting traction when colder. If they can last more, then i would like them even more. But really what i want the most is the grip feeling in the wet, combined with progressive grip loss.
I want tyres that allow me to feel how much grip i have left, and will not go from "I grip" to "go die in that ditch" in a split second. I'd rather have overall less grip and an easier transition from "grip" to "no grip". Most tyres can do well and grind footpegs when it is dry, but what I want is control when the conditions are bad and the grip is low. I want grip and predictability when it rains, when it is cold, when i can see damp zones on the road and snow on the side, or when it rains so hard that i do not have a square inch of skin left dry. These are the times i am likely to crash due to a loss of grip, not when it is hot, sunny and dry.
I’m with NVDucati here. I like progressive feel, no surprises. Surprises are what causes highsides, for xample. I can dig a bike squirrelling around, lets you know where you stand.
Agree ... I already did two of these on track, and now i just cannot track bikes. I get afraid and just freeze past some angle. Strangely enough, i can hardly count how many times i ended in a gravel pit or spun with a car on track, but I never got afraid ... guess i never hurt myself as hard either.
If michelin did some pilot road 2ct for our bikes i'd probably get them as they fit my checklist pretty well, but they do not.
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Ok, i will try to get a more precise description.
Ok, understood, thanks for the explanation. That indeed sounds like desirable tire features !
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The big problem with the INTERCEPTOR is the size of the rear wheel.
If it were a 17 inch wheel, the choice of good modern tires would be large.
For example the Metzeler Roadtec 01.
I drove three pairs of this tire on my MT-07.
Every day, every temperature, fast at passes of the alpes.
I wrote to Metzeler whether they also plan to produce the size of the rear tire.
The answer was that this has not yet been decided.
OK. First i would give the new BT 46 a chance, cause they work well on my daughter's bike.
And because the BT45 was my standard tire on my BMW R100
and BMW R100RT.
4 Holidays in Ireland and three in Scotland included. Not so bad. Even in bad weather conditions.
Second, the new Avon MK II. An Avon could also work well in the wet by now.
Greetings from Franconian Switzerland. Home of the Beer. Cheers ;-)
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Got the BT46s fitted the other day, and took the bike on an 80-mile run today in a nice little weather window.
Total transformation! Much more planted, yet with more precise feel. And most importantly, simply refuses to tramline or whiteline!
I went on torn-up country tarmac (covered with crap as usual), suburban concrete slabs full of longitudinal ridges, and down the motorway, with big, fat white lines. All handled with utter grace and poise, where before I was literally terrified crossing lanes at 70+. Result!
Fillingham claims the oem Pirellis, Avons, Contis etc are all the same. Don't believe him! And that's coming from someone whose first reaction to motorcycle accessories normally is scepticism.
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Got the BT46s fitted the other day, and took the bike on an 80-mile run today in a nice little weather window.
Total transformation! Much more planted, yet with more precise feel. And most importantly, simply refuses to tramline or whiteline!
I went on torn-up country tarmac (covered with crap as usual), suburban concrete slabs full of longitudinal ridges, and down the motorway, with big, fat white lines. All handled with utter grace and poise, where before I was literally terrified crossing lanes at 70+. Result!
Fillingham claims the oem Pirellis, Avons, Contis etc are all the same. Don't believe him! And that's coming from someone whose first reaction to motorcycle accessories normally is scepticism.
+1
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Got the BT46s fitted the other day, and took the bike on an 80-mile run today in a nice little weather window.
Total transformation! Much more planted, yet with more precise feel. And most importantly, simply refuses to tramline or whiteline!
Yup, spot on, exactly the same experience here.
Forget about this Fillingham 'bla-bla' videos, just useless.
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Yup, spot on, exactly the same experience here.
Forget about this Fillingham 'bla-bla' videos, just useless.
I like watching Fillingham's videos, and he uses his platform to express his opinion, which of course is the beauty and curse of YouTube and the internet in general. I knew that latest one would be controversial, especially as he calls out forums like this one specifically. :)
I'm ok with my OEM until they wear out, then I'll change to Avon or BT46s.
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I like watching Fillingham's videos, and he uses his platform to express his opinion, which of course is the beauty and curse of YouTube and the internet in general. I knew that latest one would be controversial, especially as he calls out forums like tiis.
I liked him too, but not anymore. Apparently he has to produce a lot for videos to earn enough, and this results in utter nonsense like this tire video. Another video was his YSS review he used for negative comments to another brand just by theoretical hearsay.
Then he constantly blames other social media while claiming a monopoly on the truth for himself. In the comment section lots of users worship him and critical comments get removed.. Thank you, not for me anymore.
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Still like him, still watch him -- mostly for entertainment. He puts more effort into his scripts than most, and his grumpy old fart shtick is great, especially when he's hitting back at his imagined legions of critics.
And to be fair he's got some valuable how-to vids in his back catalogue if you ignore the sales shite. Overall, a positive for Interceptor-ers.
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Still like him, still watch him -- mostly for entertainment. He puts more effort into his scripts than most...
It used to be that way, but recently he seems to have some pressure to produce, well, "something".
I mean, that tire video, come on...
BREAKING NEWS : All motorbike magazines around the world can stop tire reviews. Fillingham claims they are equal anyway.
;D
Also he refuses to recognize the Brasilian OEM tires are suspicious to be different than the usual Pirelli quality. For many here the SportsComp are gone after 5000KM! That is quite unusual. Not to speak about that tramlining, so many has plagued here.
So we are all unproficient and incompetent bikers here ;D
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Sorry, double post
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My Avon Am26 Roadrider tires (tyres) are such an improvement over the OEM "fake" Pirellis that my personal search for tires is over for the life of the bike or until Avon no longer makes the Roadriders. They have all the performance this old fart will EVER need! They are great on the twisty two-lane mountain roads I often ride ... and rather aggressively at that even though I am 72 ... great grip, very planted, great for sudden panic slowing and swervinsg (like a big rock right in the middle of my lane around a blind corner with a truck coming). I don't quite drag footpegs in the corners, but I consistently leave Harley riders in the dust on those roads. And they don't follow pavement grooves on the freeway!
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It used to be that way, but recently he seems to have some pressure to produce, well, "something".
I mean, that tire video, come on...
BREAKING NEWS : All motorbike magazines around the world can stop tire reviews. Fillingham claims they are equal anyway.
;D
Also he refuses to recognize the Brasilian OEM tires are suspicious to be different than the usual Pirelli quality. For many here the SportsComp are gone after 5000KM! That is quite unusual. Not to speak about that tramlining, so many has plagued here.
So we are all unproficient and incompetent bikers here ;D
You're right. The tyre episode is especially egregious. And his fawning following is just embarrassing. But that's YouTube!
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BREAKING NEWS : All motorbike magazines around the world can stop tire reviews. Fillingham claims they are equal anyway.
;D
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So we are all unproficient and incompetent bikers here ;D
Yup, the "full Fillingham" at his best... ;)
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BREAKING NEWS : All motorbike magazines around the world can stop tire reviews. Fillingham claims they are equal anyway.
;D
Fun fact : At the track today, I watched my mate drag pegs on his CRF450 on 19" flat track tyres. With a front tyre on the back wheel. Wtf. Maybe Fillingham is right.
(disclaimer: I don't really think this. I really think he's full of it. But nice riding, Sam).
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Hm, but that's a bit apples vs oranges, Interceptor vs CRF450, and the variety of road surfaces vs track surface.
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My Avon Am26 Roadrider tires (tyres) are such an improvement over the OEM "fake" Pirellis
Are the OEM Pirelli's from Brazil really any different to retail Pirelli ? I recently purchased 2 pairs of Pirelli sport demons from 2 different retailers , all were made in Brazil.
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Are the OEM Pirelli's from Brazil really any different to retail Pirelli ? I recently purchased 2 pairs of Pirelli sport demons from 2 different retailers , all were made in Brazil.
The Canadian guy (Fort 9?) said in one of his videos that Pirelli offers OEM customers a tire that starts life with less tread depth.
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I find the stock tires fine, however, I don't drag footpegs. As they get more miles on them they may turn to crap but for now they are ok for the riding I do. I will put a different brand on when I have to change them.
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Well I've just ordered a set of BT46's. The OEM tyres are ok, but nothing special, a bit like the OE suspension (which I've already replace with TEC rear and YSS front).
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I just got my Interceptor yesterday. I had a run up one of my favorite twisty grades, mostly smooth sweepers at 50 to 65 mph. The RE was stable but steered slow wanting to run wide on entry. I could tighten my line with a little weight shift but I thought it odd as at 10-25 mph the bike seems to "oversteer." I also noticed a little more tram lining than I expected.
I usually ride my Honda VT500FT Ascot with Shinko 712 tires up this grade with neutral response and no tram line wanders.
I'll experiment a little with tire pressures but I'm already thinking of replacing the Pirellis with the Shinko 712.
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@jack if the tyres are brand new I would leave them and add the ability to add front preload. I have the standard fit tyres and honestly don’t believe the tyres are the limiting factor to the bikes handling
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All I know is that my Avon Roadriders transformed my bike for the better.
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Good Lord, I just read every post in this thread......my eyes and brain hurt.
I'm thinking I'll go with the BT 46 when I change. I love the inexpensive Shinko 712 but can't get the right size rear.
I don't ride fast these days but I do value accurate and predictable steering response. I'm skeptical about the "faux" Pirellis in that regard. Having said that I've really not had enough time in the saddle of this RE yet to be making changes.
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The tramlining of the stock tyre is probably due to the rain sculpture right in the middle of it...
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btw, found a great local shop to swap tires on wheels brought in for $25 each. got the tires for $300
I'm slow and cheap and I think it pays
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The local bike mechanic here in my town charges $30 to $35 for carry-in jobs which I think is reasonable
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btw, found a great local shop to swap tires on wheels brought in for $25 each. got the tires for $300
I'm slow and cheap and I think it pays
Glad that worked out for you - quite a savings from what you originally thought/feared it would cost, right?
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@jack if the tyres are brand new I would leave them and add the ability to add front preload. I have the standard fit tyres and honestly don’t believe the tyres are the limiting factor to the bikes handling
True. The suspension is the area to focus on if you ever feel the need to press on. The OE tyres are ok, not bad, not the best, and unlikely to cause a WTF moment - unlike the suspension.
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Good Lord, I just read every post in this thread......my eyes and brain hurt.
I'm thinking I'll go with the BT 46 when I change. I love the inexpensive Shinko 712 but can't get the right size rear.
I don't ride fast these days but I do value accurate and predictable steering response. I'm skeptical about the "faux" Pirellis in that regard. Having said that I've really not had enough time in the saddle of this RE yet to be making changes.
Looking at your other bikes and previous replies I'm sure both the OEM tires and front end leaves you unsettled.
There is a now old thread (also long) called, effectively, "the front end sucks". Some of it is ranting but it does wind through a lot of the recipes to spiff up the front. Some easy and cheap and some complete re-do.
At a minimum you should change the fork oil. Mine was a different oil in one side from the other. One smelled like burnt hydraulic fluid and the other was a low fill. Almost everyone has benefited from sort of spacer from washers to adjustable fork caps to add some preload.
I take your point about getting some more time on it before making changes. I did that, too. And yeah the Pirellis are not bad. But after 2000 miles they didn't get better, either. The good news is that this RE has great bones and you will get it just right.
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I'll likely leave everything alone for a few weeks to become more familiar with the bike. Simply experimenting a bit with tire pressure has improved the steering noticeably. At present I've not noticed the deficiencies in the front fork that so many have mentioned which probably has more to do with my sedate pace than anything else. Time will tell but I agree that the bones are quite good and should respond well to tweaks.
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Glad that worked out for you - quite a savings from what you originally thought/feared it would cost, right?
much better, yes. thanks. I have a strange wobble now, though. I think I may need to realign
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much better, yes. thanks. I have a strange wobble now, though. I think I may need to realign
You have a strange wobble, or the bike? ;)
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You have a strange wobble, or the bike? ;)
both of us
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BTW, Roadrider MKII was a great choice for me. Not excessively expensive and a much improved ride and handling. I rode the bike rather quickly this evening and my line was held with less wavering and slipiness at about 50-60 mph on twisty roads. Smooth response and a steeper lean. Previously it would have been a messy situation with the stock tires.
I can now dig in and truly shift my weight forward and down on the bike around a turn without feeling it want to slide on me. I don't know if the tires ever actually did slide but that feeling is gone now. the confidence is worth it. They also ride smoother over those tar spiderwebs, too
110/80 front
140/70 rear.
Radials.
I recommend a switch sooner than later to better enjoy the ride.
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Are they radial?
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Are they radial?
yes
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https://www.avontyres.com/en-us/tyres/roadrider-mkii
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Sorry, I can't see anywhere that Avon claim this is radial. They say "New Tyre Construction" but don't say what they mean by that.
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Look at sizes available. like this form Revzilla
130/ 80 R 18 63V
See the R? Radial!
Sorry, I can't see anywhere that Avon claim this is radial. They say "New Tyre Construction" but don't say what they mean by that.
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No sign of that on Avon's site. Haven't looked at Revzilla (?)
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Those Avons are categorized by the DOT as bias. But ...
The advanced construction Avon notes is that they are a sorta hybrid system with a radial layer in addition to the bias layer. It is quite clever in that the radial belts are spaced further apart at the edges and close together in the center. The objective is a smooth transition as you lean it over and the contact patch grows when it is on the edges.
You can read about it here:(very educational)https://www.avontyres.com/en-us/tyre-care/technical/tyre-technical-symbols/ (https://www.avontyres.com/en-us/tyre-care/technical/tyre-technical-symbols/)
(https://d3dqm2cphiokpn.cloudfront.net/.uc/i2406f6310102ef7501008f9660021f3d5d1630cbddae0701c4d400650080/2gi31d-pw6wyqzcbw15lmg.jpg)
Other brands are more and more starting to mimick them but the high end Avons are all built at their own plant in the UK (hard to outsource).
I don't work for Avon. I'm a retail customer. I love these tyres. They are the best feeling tires from new to dead.
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Thanks for that link, it's very interesting. The UK site doesn't go into as much detail but I've always liked Avons so I'll probably go with them. Interestingly the 500 I was lent while my 650 was in for it's first service came supplied with Avons and felt so much better over white lines, overbanding etc. The 650's OE tyres are ok but no more than that, I think the frame is just so good it makes up for the Pirellis shortcomings to a large degree.
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my front tyre is 100/90 - 18 is this right as you describe yours as 110/80. Does it matter??
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my front tyre is 100/90 - 18 is this right as you describe yours as 110/80. Does it matter??
you can go 10mm in either direction if you want, depending on the tire. some folks go more. just follow the manufacturers suggested rim sizing. Going bigger or smaller will effect the ride in some way or another so think it through if you do go over or under
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Not sure if anyone else has them on their motorcycle, but I just got a pair of Shinko Super Classic 270 (4.5" both in front and rear". They look really good!
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Not sure if anyone else has them on their motorcycle, but I just got a pair of Shinko Super Classic 270 (4.5" both in front and rear". They look really good!
Sure do! Like a vintage caravan tyre. Looks is good but what are they like in the bends?
I've never used those sort of tyres so for all I know they're awesome track weapons.
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Amidst all the Fillingham scorn here, I thought this was worth a look....
https://youtu.be/YYXx9ogQ0lM
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Sure do! Like a vintage caravan tyre. Looks is good but what are they like in th no e bends?
I've never used those sort of tyres so for all I know they're awesome track weapons.
I wonder if they’d wander about on the lean with all those tread channels on the tyre edge? Like the look tho’!
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Amidst all the Fillingham scorn here, I thought this was worth a look....
Well, the value of conspiracy theories here, and the value of official statements there. There are still two things I still did not get any reasonable explanation for.
1. Approx. half of the owners, me included, report tramlining or dancing over longitudinal lines down to a really unsafe feeling. Those that have changed tires cured that problem right away. While approx the other half of owners didn't even notice that effect.
That is really strange.
2. The Pirelli Sportscomp was known for its longevity. Now for many on the Royal Enfield the rear tire was gone after 5000 KM, including myself. That is unusual.
But why? Are so many Royal Enfield owners riding the bike that hard to explain effectively cutting down the longevity by the half? Hard to imagine with a 48hp bike.
Again that remains strange.
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Well, the value of conspiracy theories here, and the value of official statements there. There are still two things I still did not get any reasonable explanation for.
1. Approx. half of the owners, me included, report tramlining or dancing over longitudinal lines down to a really unsafe feeling. Those that have changed tires cured that problem right away. While approx the other half of owners didn't even notice that effect.
That is really strange.
2. The Pirelli Sportscomp was known for its longevity. Now for many on the Royal Enfield the rear tire was gone after 5000 KM, including myself. That is unusual.
But why? Are so many Royal Enfield owners riding the bike that hard to explain effectively cutting down the longevity by the half? Hard to imagine with a 48hp bike.
Again that remains strange.
I never got close to 5000 on my 84 Ducati 900. And they were the bee’s knees then.
And this bike is a similar weight and style.
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Remember the supplied tyres have about half the tread depth of the ones you buy at the bike shop to replace them.
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Remember the supplied tyres have about half the tread depth of the ones you buy at the bike shop to replace them.
Check out the link on #126
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Remember the supplied tyres have about half the tread depth of the ones you buy at the bike shop to replace them.
That is certainly not the case with my two Interceptors - both UK supplied. Maybe different markets get different tires?
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I assume the tyres just don’t get on with the suspension/ too much variables in the suspension from the factory, preload adjusters have helped over banding. I must admit that in the wet I have zero clue what the tyres are doing but maybe I’m expecting too much even on my 1997 zx7r I could press on abit in the wet but on the gt if it’s wet and the corner has some pot holes I probably would be quicker getting off and pushing it round
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Yes, I do agree that the 18 inch rear wheel does significantly limit replacement rear tyre choices, and coupled with that the standard 2.50 and 3.50 inch rims are narrow. I am considering having a 17" rear wheel built to take something like a 150/70, but it would be very pricey to do in NZ, and a 17" x 4.25 rim may not even fit.
My bike has the CEAT tyres, I ride it very gently ATM. I will consider the BT 46 or Avons if they are available, but I do not want to go even narrower to a 120/80x18 rear.
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My original pirelli have 8100k. Good for at least 2000 more. I have no issue with em at all. Will get BT46next as they seem a popular fit. Standard size is fine I reckon
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I am really interested in these.....thoughts?
Pirelli Scorpion MT90
Front: https://www.rpmmoto.com.au/pirelli-scorpion-mt90-motorbike-tyre-a-t-110-80-18?gclid=Cj0KCQjwkt6aBhDKARIsAAyeLJ0GQFAC-guyafjqX33qF-vQu5MNysax--0MXx48_1qpRn4LJpUUidAaAsMNEALw_wcB
Rear: SCORPION MT 90 A/T 140/80-18 M/C 70S
https://madadv.com.au/scorpion-mt-90-a-t-140-80-18-m-c-70s/
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Remember the supplied tyres have about half the tread depth of the ones you buy at the bike shop to replace them.
Just because fortnine said it doesn’t make it true. Fake news.
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Just because fortnine said it doesn’t make it true. Fake news.
Easy enough to test, do you have measurements to confirm to declaration of ‘fake news’ ?
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Easy enough to test, do you have measurements to confirm to declaration of ‘fake news’ ?
Back when this story was a thing I found a YouTube video with a US dealer showing a pirellis tire he ordered locally and one on a new not yet sold Enfield and couldn’t see any difference in tread depth.
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Easy enough to test, do you have measurements to confirm to declaration of ‘fake news’ ?
Back at that time Jess, there were three YouTube channels that came out which showed the tyre tread depths were identical. One each from US, Australia and Uncle Stu from UK. Thus, the “fake news” declaration seems warranted.
Perhaps Canada received a dodgy batch because Ryan F9 seems usually to be all over the facts.
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Back at that time Jess, there were three YouTube channels that came out which showed the tyre tread depths were identical. One each from US, Australia and Uncle Stu from UK. Thus, the “fake news” declaration seems warranted.
Perhaps Canada received a dodgy batch because Ryan F9 seems usually to be all over the facts.
Interesting, Ryan is not know for getting facts wrong.
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the high end Avons are all built at their own plant in the UK (hard to outsource).
And now looking like the Plant is closing sadly.
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And now looking like the Plant is closing sadly.
That IS sad news. I have them on my three main bikes. Maybe I'll stock another set for each.
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And now looking like the Plant is closing sadly.
Oh no.... :(
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unfortunately "best" is subjective. and many of the characteristics of "best" are in conflict with each other. Such as grip vs mileage. Be that mileage meaning "long lasting" or even meaning "good fuel economy."
"best" may also apply to the type of riding you typically do...high speed highway cruising...or all the time twisties...city commuting....or track.
To some, a "best" tire would be a reasonable compromise of many factors...jack of all trades, if you will. But a track racer really cares about sticky....long lasting not an issue, as long as they last at least one race.
So typical of motorcycle forums...were gonna see guys chiming in with "I like this tire, or I like that tire", and give some reasons...and there will never be a definitive "best" .
So my favorite: Avon Road rider...these are not the "best"...they are jack of all trades. But then again with my skill level and "old man style" of riding....any "better tire" would simply be a waste.
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Agreed. Typically people claim the tires they bought are the best. They could be, it would be more helpful if they described the characteristics of what makes them the best for them. What they are looking for, how they are used and what attributes they prefer.
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Well after reading this whole thread while trying to decide on what tires to buy to replace the Pirellis, I ended up going with the Metzeler Roadtec Z8 in 110/80/18 and 140/70/18. They arrive in a day or two, and then begins the task of removing my wheels to take them to whatever shop will mount the tires for a reasonable price.
Anybody have experience with these on the 650? My first choice was initially the Avon Roadrider Mk2 that was mentioned in here, but I couldn't find them in stock anywhere at all. I considered the BT46, but my brother in law has them on his Ninja 250 and the rear had squared off badly in less than 5,000 miles. So I settled on the Roadtec Z8 due to their reported ability to stay round while lasting longer than 6,000 miles and somehow providing excellent grip??? Guess I'll find that out for myself.
Also hoping that the slight size increase brings the RPMs down on the highway, as 80mph "cruising" is a bit of a necessity here in the US if I'm on I-15.
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Just because fortnine said it doesn’t make it true. Fake news.
I've been in the automotive repair industry for 40+ years. I've been to parts supplier presentations over the years, and had a chance to speak to several engineers "off the record."
A Monroe engineer spoke to me candidly and admitted some of his products were purchased by major manufacturers, but at a much lower price point. He stated they were built to last as close as possible to the end of the vehicle warranty period and not one day more.
Even further back, I spoke to a Michelin engineer that admitted the same thing, so its not a stretch to think Pirelli builds a cheaper product to sell in bulk to Royal Enfield , or anyone else.
Of course, my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it. :P
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Well after reading this whole thread while trying to decide on what tires to buy to replace the Pirellis, I ended up going with the Metzeler Roadtec Z8 in 110/80/18 and 140/70/18. They arrive in a day or two, and then begins the task of removing my wheels to take them to whatever shop will mount the tires for a reasonable price.
Anybody have experience with these on the 650? My first choice was initially the Avon Roadrider Mk2 that was mentioned in here, but I couldn't find them in stock anywhere at all. I considered the BT46, but my brother in law has them on his Ninja 250 and the rear had squared off badly in less than 5,000 miles. So I settled on the Roadtec Z8 due to their reported ability to stay round while lasting longer than 6,000 miles and somehow providing excellent grip??? Guess I'll find that out for myself.
Also hoping that the slight size increase brings the RPMs down on the highway, as 80mph "cruising" is a bit of a necessity here in the US if I'm on I-15.
I'll be following your experience on these tires. They are exactly what I'm planning on getting in the spring. I'm looking forward to having radials on again for better feel in the corners.
As far as mileage, I don't really care, so long as they get me to around 5-6000 miles, and don't square off too much. I usually put on fresh tires each year before a 3000 mile jaunt from NJ through NC/GA/TN/WV/VA in the mountains.
That uses them up pretty good and I've yet to meet a tire that can do that twice. They'll usually last through the rest of the year when I ride sparingly up here in NJ, between the roads and the drivers, it's not much fun. So even with meat on year old tires, they get swapped out before I leave on the next trip.
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I'll be following your experience on these tires. They are exactly what I'm planning on getting in the spring. I'm looking forward to having radials on again for better feel in the corners.
As far as mileage, I don't really care, so long as they get me to around 5-6000 miles, and don't square off too much. I usually put on fresh tires each year before a 3000 mile jaunt from NJ through NC/GA/TN/WV/VA in the mountains.
That uses them up pretty good and I've yet to meet a tire that can do that twice. They'll usually last through the rest of the year when I ride sparingly up here in NJ, between the roads and the drivers, it's not much fun. So even with meat on year old tires, they get swapped out before I leave on the next trip.
All I've ridden on are the stock Pirellis that came on the bike, and this is also my first bike...so I'm not sure that my word means much as an endorsement, assuming I like the tires haha. Regardless, I'll report back how I feel about them in a month or two when I take the bike out on a clear (but still cold) winter day.
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The stock tires follow the rain grooves on the freeway and are pretty scary until you get used to them.
My 2 cents.
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Tyres square off because you ride around without leaning over much in the corners and because you only commute or you run up and down an insterstate or similar. If that is the case you don’t want stickier tyres because they are for railing through the turns something you don’t and instead you are just going to square them off. Sounds like you made a good choice for you.
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Tyres square off because you ride around without leaning over much in the corners and because you only commute or you run up and down an insterstate or similar. If that is the case you don’t want stickier tyres because they are for railing through the turns something you don’t and instead you are just going to square them off. Sounds like you made a good choice for you.
I'll tell you what wears rear tyres in the centre that people probably don't realise, commuting. Repeated acceleration from a standing start even in a non aggressive way causes more rear tyre wear than steady state freeway riding even two up with a load. You'll get many more miles from a rear tyre touring on freeways than stop start commuting. Makes sense when you think about it.
Phil
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I considered the BT46, but my brother in law has them on his Ninja 250 and the rear had squared off badly in less than 5,000 miles.
Gasp! :o
That's just Ninja riders though and no surprise.
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I'll tell you what wears rear tyres in the centre that people probably don't realise, commuting. Repeated acceleration from a standing start even in a non aggressive way causes more rear tyre wear than steady state freeway riding even two up with a load. You'll get many more miles from a rear tyre touring on freeways than stop start commuting. Makes sense when you think about it.
Phil
Phil that makes a lot of sense. I did a trip to the high country on my TRX850. New set of Dunlop Roadsmart 3. The ride from Adelaide involves a lot of straight line roads until the GOR, then some more through Melbourne and out to Bairnsdale. Then, 5 days of twisties and a day or so slabbing home. Those roadsmarts were still in great shape when I got home, very round and no real flat spot to speak of. But like you say, communting kills tyres.
Also Roadsmart tyres are freakin awesome allrounders BTW.
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I'll tell you what wears rear tyres in the centre that people probably don't realise, commuting. Repeated acceleration from a standing start even in a non aggressive way causes more rear tyre wear than steady state freeway riding even two up with a load. You'll get many more miles from a rear tyre touring on freeways than stop start commuting. Makes sense when you think about it.
Phil
Dont assume you are the only one exclusively enlightened by this technical information.Squared off tyres are mostly attributed to long straight motorway/freeway riding.Poor inflated tyres will also contribute..
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Phil that makes a lot of sense. I did a trip to the high country on my TRX850. New set of Dunlop Roadsmart 3. The ride from Adelaide involves a lot of straight line roads until the GOR, then some more through Melbourne and out to Bairnsdale. Then, 5 days of twisties and a day or so slabbing home. Those roadsmarts were still in great shape when I got home, very round and no real flat spot to speak of. But like you say, communting kills tyres.
Also Roadsmart tyres are freakin awesome allrounders BTW.
I did 2 European tours on K100RS's back in the day. Two up fully loaded and both times the tyres ended the trips like new. Had me confused as I wasn't a "tourer" and expected heavy tyre wear. I think the commuting has a far greater impact of rear tyre wear than motorway riding by a long way. The cooler temps and smoother roads in Europe played a part as well compared to here.
Phil
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I always thought inflation was the biggest cause of improper tire wear?
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I always thought inflation was the biggest cause of improper tire wear?
I'm no expert, but tire inflation definitely has an impact on wear, as it has an effect on the footprint of the tire on the road. I'm going mostly off of knowledge from the off-roading world, but I'm sure it functions similarly for motorcycle tires, despite their differences.
Some tires have features to mitigate the inevitable squaring off though, whether it be a different compound on the sides vs. the bottom, or (in Metzeler's case) a different arrangement of the steel belts within the tire, in an effort to get the same effect as the dual compound tires without having to pay the premium that usually comes with those tires.
Squaring off tires is totally normal for anybody who rides on highways, I imagine, so idk if it's really "improper" tire wear so much as it is "undesirable" tire wear.
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No...inflation is the biggest cause of tire COST!!
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I always thought inflation was the biggest cause of improper tire wear?
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Most say that new tyres are a big improvement over stock tires. But most had Pirelli Phantom as stock tires. Any experiences with even cheaper Ceats in comparison to other tires? I ask because I do not ride that many km, I have just 2500km on the Ceats and it would take some time before I have to change them. But I don't want to loose ride quality too long, if they are bad by default.
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To be honest ive never had/felt an issue with the Ceats, even tar snakes i dont feel anything to worry about. Ive rode on gravel roads with them (sure, i was going at a sedate pace) but they felt fine. I can't comment about wet weather as i really dont plan on riding this machine in the damp stuff. So yeah.. i'll keep them on until i decide to change them.
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Most say that new tyres are a big improvement over stock tires. But most had Pirelli Phantom as stock tires. Any experiences with even cheaper Ceats in comparison to other tires? I ask because I do not ride that many km, I have just 2500km on the Ceats and it would take some time before I have to change them. But I don't want to loose ride quality too long, if they are bad by default.
If you don't have a problem with them, use them up.
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Most say that new tyres are a big improvement over stock tires. But most had Pirelli Phantom as stock tires. Any experiences with even cheaper Ceats in comparison to other tires? I ask because I do not ride that many km, I have just 2500km on the Ceats and it would take some time before I have to change them. But I don't want to loose ride quality too long, if they are bad by default.
I had the stock Ceat Zoom. They performed just fine below 70mph, so most will have no issues.
However my commute to work involves North Texas freeways where traffic runs 80-85.
At these speeds I found the Ceats to tramline to to point of discomfort.
I did not wear mine out but instead replaced them at about 2000 miles.
I went with Bridgestone BT46 based on recommendations on the forum and a video from Ryan on Fortnine.
I have had the BT46 up to about 95mph and they are solid as a rock. Best modification I’ve made to the bike hands down.
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i'll be switching to BT46s when my stock ceats wear down a bit more. taking its sweet time as i split my time on multiple bikes so its not a huge priority just yet. i think i only have about 8k (km) on my gt650 so far.
i have a set of bridgestone ax41s on my ducati though and i love them!
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Yes, I do agree that the 18 inch rear wheel does significantly limit replacement rear tyre choices, and coupled with that the standard 2.50 and 3.50 inch rims are narrow. I am considering having a 17" rear wheel built to take something like a 150/70, but it would be very pricey to do in NZ, and a 17" x 4.25 rim may not even fit.
My bike has the CEAT tyres, I ride it very gently ATM. I will consider the BT 46 or Avons if they are available, but I do not want to go even narrower to a 120/80x18 rear.
You can fit a 150/70r18 on that rim.
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I just put on a pair of lazer tecs, only thing I could find locally.haven’t got them scrubbed in good yet, let y’all know how they are in a few days.
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I had the stock Ceat Zoom. They performed just fine below 70mph, so most will have no issues.
However my commute to work involves North Texas freeways where traffic runs 80-85.
At these speeds I found the Ceats to tramline to to point of discomfort.
I did not wear mine out but instead replaced them at about 2000 miles.
I went with Bridgestone BT46 based on recommendations on the forum and a video from Ryan on Fortnine.
I have had the BT46 up to about 95mph and they are solid as a rock. Best modification I’ve made to the bike hands down.
I was going to go with the Michelin Road Classic tires... but the front has been out of stock forever!
I thought about just using the Ceats for the ride in April... but I will be riding up to Georgia to meet up with friends and from there heading to North Carolina for the ride... Lot of highway/interstate riding and similar speeds...
I will just place the order for the Bridgestones... Need to minimize the "Oh-sh*t!!" moments as much a possible ;D
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I was going to go with the Michelin Road Classic tires... but the front has been out of stock forever!
I thought about just using the Ceats for the ride in April... but I will be riding up to Georgia to meet up with friends and from there heading to North Carolina for the ride... Lot of highway/interstate riding and similar speeds...
I will just place the order for the Bridgestones... Need to minimize the "Oh-sh*t!!" moments as much a possible ;D
Have you had any issues with the CEATs? If not you don’t need to react to individual anecdotes on this forum. As they say, the sum of all anecdotes isn’t data.
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Have you had any issues with the CEATs? If not you don’t need to react to individual anecdotes on this forum. As they say, the sum of all anecdotes isn’t data.
I had the same experience that Jess had. Great below 70 mph... but I just did 400 miles over the weekend... around 200 miles of those were on the interstate coming back home at speeds anywhere from 70 up 90mph.
I do not want to be riding a 12 hour round trip from Ocala, FL to Grayson, GA feeling like that.... If the BT46 can provide a better ride at those speeds, it is worth swapping them before I head out.
Tires should be here in three days so I will have time to break them in before the trip.
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I was going to go with the Michelin Road Classic tires... but the front has been out of stock forever!
I thought about just using the Ceats for the ride in April... but I will be riding up to Georgia to meet up with friends and from there heading to North Carolina for the ride... Lot of highway/interstate riding and similar speeds...
I will just place the order for the Bridgestones... Need to minimize the "Oh-sh*t!!" moments as much a possible ;D
Have you had any issues with the CEATs? If not you don’t need to react to individual anecdotes on this forum. As they say, the sum of all anecdotes isn’t data.
That sounds like a great trip! Enjoy it to the max. Get the new Bridgestone tires.
whippers makes a good point. Anecdotes and or peer approval should never matter.
Yet, ... there's nothing better than the smell of new tires at the start of a trip with your buddies ;).
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That sounds like a great trip! Enjoy it to the max. Get the new Bridgestone tires.
whippers makes a good point. Anecdotes and or peer approval should never matter.
Yet, ... there's nothing better than the smell of new tires at the start of a trip with your buddies ;).
Absolutely... initially my plan was to just ride with the Ceats as they felt fine riding around town or through the back roads when I went to meet up with my brother... but Jess validated the feeling I had with the bike on my ride back home that night. Instead of taking the backroads, since it was getting late, I hopped on the highway and just headed straight home... When I got home I even thought about just placing the bike on the hitch carrier and driving over to GA instead of riding all the way there...
Mind you, first thing I did with this bike, after break-in... was to test getting to 100 mph... felt fine and planted back then. That was a one-time thing as it is not my intention to be riding this bike at that speed again. Also, it was not on the same road as the other night... And the bike/tires have less than 1,200 miles...
At this point I just feel better swapping tires. My peace of mind is not worth the 400.00 for the new tires... of course I did not tell the wife about the purchase, she might feel differently ;D ;D
I finally hope to get decent photos of the bike around some nice scenery to share in the "Out and about on your 650 - photos (https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=28946.0)" thread!
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Absolutely... initially my plan was to just ride with the Ceats as they felt fine riding around town or through the back roads when I went to meet up with my brother... but Jess validated the feeling I had with the bike on my ride back home that night. Instead of taking the backroads, since it was getting late, I hopped on the highway and just headed straight home... When I got home I even thought about just placing the bike on the hitch carrier and driving over to GA instead of riding all the way there...
Mind you, first thing I did with this bike, after break-in... was to test getting to 100 mph... felt fine and planted back then. That was a one-time thing as it is not my intention to be riding this bike at that speed again. Also, it was not on the same road as the other night... And the bike/tires have less than 1,200 miles...
At this point I just feel better swapping tires. My peace of mind is not worth the 400.00 for the new tires... of course I did not tell the wife about the purchase, she might feel differently ;D ;D
I finally hope to get decent photos of the bike around some nice scenery to share in the "Out and about on your 650 - photos (https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=28946.0)" thread!
Make it a twisty trip so you dont ruin your new tires with flatness in the middle 🙂 oh and be a bit carefull those 1st kms/miles... have a nice trip!
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Will do! Thank you!
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Interesting about the Ceats. It's what my brand new INT650 came with. I live in Canyonland and rarely see 75mph, just at short blasts. Seems like the Ceats will be ok for that??? Also, do you think an air pressure adjustment for the open road may have calmed the symptoms?
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And I keep saying Ceats when mine has the Pirelli Phantom Sportscomp....
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i haven't had any issues with the CEAT tires at over 70mph shrug. but now you're saying you have the pirellis and have the 'exact same issue' as the CEATS? that seems kind of odd tbh. sounds like you're just letting forum posts affect your experience.
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Interesting about the Ceats. It's what my brand new INT650 came with. I live in Canyonland and rarely see 75mph, just at short blasts. Seems like the Ceats will be ok for that??? Also, do you think an air pressure adjustment for the open road may have calmed the symptoms?
In my experience they are perfectly fine at speeds up to the 90mph or so I have tried them. They aren’t premium tires and thus lack outright grip and feel but they have much more grip in the dry and the wet than most riders would ever need.
Unless you have a specific issue you have identified I’d ignore the negative feedback and decide for yourself. Some here have reported issues with both OEM figments (pirellis and CEATs) and others have argued the exact opposite. So go figure but don’t panic.
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I am already knee deep... new tires arrive tomorrow. I will be replacing the stock tires.
If anyone in the Orlando/Ocala, FL area wants them... come and get them... yeah, for freeeeeeeeee.
(https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27855.0;attach=77463;image)
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In my experience they are perfectly fine at speeds up to the 90mph or so I have tried them. They aren’t premium tires and thus lack outright grip and feel but they have much more grip in the dry and the wet than most riders would ever need.
Unless you have a specific issue you have identified I’d ignore the negative feedback and decide for yourself. Some here have reported issues with both OEM figments (pirellis and CEATs) and others have argued the exact opposite. So go figure but don’t panic.
No worries about panic. Out of all of them, I've only owned one bike tire I'd never buy again. The rest have been fine for my riding style and area. Truth be told, I've had fantastic luck with Shinko's, but I have no idea if they even make a tire for the RE INT650. Need to wear these new one out first! ;)
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I'd guess Shinko 230 Tourmasters are available in the correct sizes, I've got a set for one of my other bikes but I haven't mounted them yet.
I'm thinking a set of Shinko 244 will be a good fit on my Interceptor. 4.10 front and 5.10 rear should do, probably under $200 including new tubes.
I'm not that sporting of a rider so they'll likely be fine on pavement, and for light off road adventure they should do well too. If I get a season out of them I'll happily go with BT-46s in 2024.
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I bought the 244s, film at 11.