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on: May 31, 2019, 11:47:12 pm
Is the thread size 3/4"x16 or metric M16x1.5, M20x1.5?

also, what's the filter O.D.?

I can determine the thread size if I only know the filter O.D.
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Reply #1 on: June 01, 2019, 11:37:14 am
Is the thread size 3/4"x16 or metric M16x1.5, M20x1.5?

also, what's the filter O.D.?

I can determine the thread size if I only know the filter O.D.

If you are working on a conversion to a standard, readily-available filter, I hope you'll share it with us!

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Reply #2 on: June 01, 2019, 03:18:40 pm
If you are working on a conversion to a standard, readily-available filter, I hope you'll share it with us!

John


As always, I plan to share everything that I'll eventually learn about the 650s

I'll only ever be purchasing one (overly expensive) RE filter, and only for testing and inspection purposes. I'll test it and the one already on the bike soon as I've taken possession of it

I want to know at what pressure the bypass activates, the filter components and how it's assembled before finding readily available, equal or better quality, less expensive alternatives
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Reply #3 on: June 02, 2019, 03:54:15 pm
OkeyDokey here we go, Filter o.d. = 76mm. X  74 deep.  Oil seal o.d. 70mm. Seal thickness roughly  (  remember this one has been  used  )
4,7mm. I'm sending this on Sunday so I cannot confirm thread size untill I get my hands on a thread gauge tomorrow  but I measured approx 5 threads per 7mm. Or roughly 20 per inch.and to be honest I'm not sure whether it's 20mm or 3/4 inch.
Hope this helps. Now for a cuppa tea.


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Reply #4 on: June 02, 2019, 06:56:55 pm
OkeyDokey here we go, Filter o.d. = 76mm. X  74 deep.  Oil seal o.d. 70mm. Seal thickness roughly  (  remember this one has been  used  )
4,7mm. I'm sending this on Sunday so I cannot confirm thread size untill I get my hands on a thread gauge tomorrow  but I measured approx 5 threads per 7mm. Or roughly 20 per inch.and to be honest I'm not sure whether it's 20mm or 3/4 inch.
Hope this helps. Now for a cuppa tea.

Big thanks  :)... the seal O.D is especially helpful. Any replacements must be very close to that because of the narrow pad where it seals against.

I'm sure the thread will be 20x1.5mm. And I'm also kinda sure RE is asking 30$ for the filters because they know alternatives are like hen's teeth.

Not saying anything won't turn up, haven't put too much effort in yet to know for sure. Another option is to use an adapter nipple to use the 3/4-16 filters,

something like this. 20x1.5 to 3/4-16.



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Reply #5 on: June 02, 2019, 07:26:17 pm
Your going to laugh,  I kept the old filter to do exactly the same thing. The overly expensive R.E. filter must match something more reasonable.  I wonder how much of the engine development in the UK may have been influenced by the ex. Triumph engineers.
Just maybe we don't have to look too far ?


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Reply #6 on: June 02, 2019, 07:38:06 pm
Your going to laugh,  I kept the old filter to do exactly the same thing. The overly expensive R.E. filter must match something more reasonable.  I wonder how much of the engine development in the UK may have been influenced by the ex. Triumph engineers.
Just maybe we don't have to look too far ?

Haha... I'll have to look again, but I don't think Triumph filters will work. Can't remember exactly why now
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Reply #7 on: June 02, 2019, 07:42:34 pm
Not saying that I'd recommend this, but most 20x1.5mm nipples I've seen have been cut undersized to where you could get a 3/4-16 filter on

No doubt in my mind that alternatives in the 3/4-16 thread could be found
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Reply #8 on: June 03, 2019, 01:31:56 pm
I did the nipple swap thing years ago on my Ducati, so I could use a $12 BMW car filter instead of the stupid expensive and impossible to buy at the time Ducati one.

Smart move,  Doc. Too bad us UCE riders don't have the option.
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Reply #9 on: June 03, 2019, 06:08:34 pm
I did the nipple swap thing years ago on my Ducati, so I could use a $12 BMW car filter instead of the stupid expensive and impossible to buy at the time Ducati one.

Smart move,  Doc. Too bad us UCE riders don't have the option.

I may need to fire up the old Jet turret lathe and crank out a batch of 3/4-16 adapters

I can get these super premium Wix Napa Gold filters locally for less than 9$. Made in the USA last time I checked. And IMHO the perfect micron rating for a 50W oil.

This one in particular has about a 14% increase in capacity and everything being equal should show less pressure drop across the filter.

It also has the bypass under the end cap instead of the dome end. A better location I think

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FIL1348?cid=PAIDSEARCH_RM_NBFilterProducts_BMM_Filters1348_Google_filter1348_Broad&gclid=Cj0KCQjwitPnBRCQARIsAA5n84kX2pAZyPswsvD9HU7MQ52RzU_AoCsTmzJaQ9rOUzWL_2tuzsV6ZIYaAh52EALw_wcB

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Reply #10 on: June 03, 2019, 10:11:08 pm
I wonder where the expensive deluxe Royal Enfield-brand  oil filter is manufactured?  For that price it ought to be made in Germany.   ::)
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Reply #11 on: June 04, 2019, 04:53:58 pm
Here's the list from California Scientific that crosses over motorcycle oil filters to automotive filters.

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterXRef.html

Pick a winner and the auto filters will work.
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Reply #12 on: June 04, 2019, 06:52:27 pm
Don't know how I got the RE filter price so wrong  :-[ Someone claimed their filter was itemized at 30$ with the first service

The actual price for that filter here in the US is $13.85, it's sold as an oil change kit. I don't know if the price also include the drain plug gasket, but
they're are calling it a "kit".

From what I've been able to find so far, any filter for a 2004-2006 Suzuki Verona will also physically fit
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Reply #13 on: June 04, 2019, 08:16:28 pm
For years Royal Enfield has sold filters, o rings and crush washers called a kit.
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Reply #14 on: June 05, 2019, 05:28:54 am
I bought a set of 5 filters online for $85. If I am able to ride this weekend I will put some miles and do the first oil change at 300 miles. I bet we can match these up with an easily available car filter. Thanks.
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Reply #15 on: June 05, 2019, 02:58:19 pm
I wouldn't hesitate a second to use either of these filters on my 650

1. Napa Gold 7046

2. Carquest Premium 84046

I especially like the 20psi bypass on the Napa Gold 7046

The Carquest is white, but only 5$, so I'd spray bomb it black first

Cross reference those numbers to find plenty of others that'll fit these bikes

https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/NAPA/7046
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Reply #16 on: June 05, 2019, 09:02:55 pm
I wouldn't hesitate a second to use either of these filters on my 650

1. Napa Gold 7046

2. Carquest Premium 84046

I especially like the 20psi bypass on the Napa Gold 7046

The Carquest is white, but only 5$, so I'd spray bomb it black first

Cross reference those numbers to find plenty of others that'll fit these bikes

https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/NAPA/7046

Great info!  Thanks so much for sharing your research with us.

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Reply #17 on: June 05, 2019, 11:29:56 pm
Great info!  Thanks so much for sharing your research with us.

John

People supposedly in the know claim the regular Wix and the Napa Gold are exactly the same thing. I'll be dissecting them both
and testing their bypass to know for sure. Starting to think that 21psi bypass figure for the Napa Gold on the Napa site is a typo.
Should probably read 12 psi. I was lucky to find a quite old Napa Gold 7046 to compare with the new ones to see if they've cheapened it out over time

Would be great if the current Wix were actually identical to the Napa Gold because Amazon prime will send the Wix to
your house for under 5$. I also believe they are black now?

https://www.amazon.com/WIX-Filters-57046-Spin-Filter/dp/B000CLV3QM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=wix+57046&qid=1559773213&s=gateway&sr=8-1
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Reply #18 on: June 07, 2019, 01:12:01 pm
Okay so I m having a brain fart moment.

Which filter then is a fit for the 650? 

Again what after market filter will fit?

Thanks


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Reply #19 on: June 07, 2019, 03:11:44 pm
Okay so I m having a brain fart moment.

Which filter then is a fit for the 650? 

Again what after market filter will fit?

Thanks

These three filters are the only ones I have actually measured. I have "NOT" screwed them onto a bike however!!
I don't have my bike yet so I can't say absolutely for sure

When the filter nipple threads and the oil filter threads just begin to thread together there must be at least 3/8"
space between the filter gasket and the engine for the filter threads to completely engage

As far as I can tell, the Wix and the Napa gold are exactly the same. All three are very high quality made in the USA

1. Wix 57046

2. Napa Gold 7046

3. Carquest Premium 84046 
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Reply #20 on: December 18, 2019, 12:19:55 am
Has anyone tried these or any other oil filter on their 650 successfully?  tp

1. Wix 57046

2. Napa Gold 7046

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Reply #21 on: December 18, 2019, 04:10:33 pm
Has anyone tried these or any other oil filter on their 650 successfully?  tp

1. Wix 57046

2. Napa Gold 7046

3. Carquest Premium 84046

I can only verify that they do fit as I've actually screwed them onto the nipple.

I don't plan on running them or the stock filter either. Not that I think anything is wrong with them, just that I believe the "purolator boss" is the best spin-on filter for high flow synthetic oil that money can buy at this time anywhere in the world. Using the Boss requires a nipple with different threads though. My bike will be up till April, but when I'm riding it again the Boss will be on it along with either a 0-40 or 5-40 oil in it
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Reply #22 on: January 20, 2020, 12:35:48 am
I found a thread on reddit that said a Mobil1 M1-104A would work. Cross referencing with other brands show that the Fram ph6017a (which i would not use) and a wix 51358 or Napa Gold 1358 (which I would use) should also work. For what its worth triumph bikes with spin-on filters also use these filters as far as I can tell and this engine was designed by formerly triumph engineers. Hopefully one of these companies will give us some compatibility info soon!


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Reply #23 on: January 20, 2020, 12:44:22 am
Thanks.  Need to do my first O/F change.  Won't dare ask what oil others are using, but the manual says it needs to be a Synthetic 10-40/10-50...  tp dd50


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Reply #24 on: January 20, 2020, 04:17:39 am
I am much more interested in finding a decent protective cover to slip over the oil filter to act as a rock guard.  I won't install a sump guard because I NEVER go off road and the darned things make it extremely difficult to lift the bike on my bike lift.
Something like this: https://www.jpcycles.com/product/zz74056/pro-one-ball-milled-chrome-oil-filter-cover-for-yamaha
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Reply #25 on: January 20, 2020, 03:02:49 pm
I am much more interested in finding a decent protective cover to slip over the oil filter to act as a rock guard.  I won't install a sump guard because I NEVER go off road and the darned things make it extremely difficult to lift the bike on my bike lift.
Something like this: https://www.jpcycles.com/product/zz74056/pro-one-ball-milled-chrome-oil-filter-cover-for-yamaha


I like this one https://www.tecbikepartsusa.com/TEC_Heavy_Duty_CNC_Laser_Cut_Alloy_Sump_Guard_Ba_p/re-bp-b.htm but a bit pricey. But looks solid.

Sorry - that's only the bash guard and not an actual filter COVER as Jimku was describing. But I still might pick one up.
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Reply #26 on: January 20, 2020, 03:09:35 pm
I found a thread on reddit that said a Mobil1 M1-104A would work. Cross referencing with other brands show that the Fram ph6017a (which i would not use) and a wix 51358 or Napa Gold 1358 (which I would use) should also work. For what its worth triumph bikes with spin-on filters also use these filters as far as I can tell and this engine was designed by formerly triumph engineers. Hopefully one of these companies will give us some compatibility info soon!

I'd be very interested in knowing this as well. I use Mobil1 filters in my vehicles and have never had an issue.
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Reply #27 on: January 21, 2020, 09:50:33 pm
I am much more interested in finding a decent protective cover to slip over the oil filter to act as a rock guard.  I won't install a sump guard because I NEVER go off road and the darned things make it extremely difficult to lift the bike on my bike lift.
Something like this: https://www.jpcycles.com/product/zz74056/pro-one-ball-milled-chrome-oil-filter-cover-for-yamaha


You may like like the decorative bash plate from TEC. it is held on with hose clamps. It will protect the filter but not really the engine.


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Reply #28 on: January 22, 2020, 02:05:40 am
Based on my research and measurement, this will be the perfect oil filter alternative, it has the exact OD and ID, and slightly less tall. But not easy to find. Can use it to cross reference other brands.

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Reply #29 on: January 27, 2020, 09:25:30 pm
Ordered my oil today and now have to get the filter. Thinking of the Mobil 1 M1-104 as posters have noted it fits perfectly. Any yay or nay on that one?
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Reply #30 on: January 28, 2020, 01:20:02 pm
Ordered my oil today and now have to get the filter. Thinking of the Mobil 1 M1-104 as posters have noted it fits perfectly. Any yay or nay on that one?

I see you're in Austin, I have the stock filter and a aftermarket option available of you're interested.
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Reply #31 on: January 28, 2020, 10:55:20 pm
Related question:   What size is the drain plug crush washer?
I think it's an M14 based on the shop manual, but they list that by the plug itself.
Maybe I'm just being too literal. 
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Reply #32 on: January 29, 2020, 03:19:49 am
The parts book also calls out M14 575630

https://westerncyclesupply.com/drain-plug-washer/
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Reply #33 on: February 26, 2020, 02:16:30 am
Today I got a NAPA 7046  (I work at a NAPA store)...I compared it to a new OEM Royal Enfield filter.

They are far too different for my liking....I will not use the NAPA as a substitute.

Height is different....

O ring I.D. and O.D is slightly different.

Recess of the innards is way different...

Not saying it wouldn't work...but too different for me..

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Has anyone tried these or any other oil filter on their 650 successfully?  tp

1. Wix 57046

2. Napa Gold 7046

3. Carquest Premium 84046


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Reply #34 on: February 29, 2020, 11:00:09 pm
pic from this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDvy5RazcRc


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Reply #35 on: February 29, 2020, 11:35:42 pm
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Reply #36 on: March 01, 2020, 01:08:33 am
Not only a different number of holes...but the base plate where those holes are...on the NAPA filter this base is quite close to the bottom of the filter...the OEM filter has much more space between the holy plate and the base of the filter...don't know if that matters...but too different for my liking...plus the O ring is slightly different size



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Reply #37 on: May 13, 2020, 02:49:31 pm
Any luck on the oil filter search?
I too work at a auto parts store
(Oreilly’s).

I just took my filter off last night and will try and match it up tonight.

I’ll post if I come up with anything.
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Reply #38 on: May 13, 2020, 03:20:02 pm
I just ordered am OEM  filter online....it comes with a new drain plug gasket and an o-ring....I forgot what the or ring is for....filler cap maybe?


Cookie



Any luck on the oil filter search?
I too work at a auto parts store
(Oreilly’s).

I just took my filter off last night and will try and match it up tonight.

I’ll post if I come up with anything.


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Reply #39 on: May 14, 2020, 09:59:42 pm
I just ordered am OEM  filter online....it comes with a new drain plug gasket and an o-ring....I forgot what the or ring is for....filler cap maybe?


When I ordered the OEM Oil filter, I also got a metal washer and a rubber o-ring with the filter. I installed metal washer with the oil drain cap, and the rubber o-ring with the oil filter.
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Reply #40 on: May 15, 2020, 12:30:46 am
What size (diameter) was the rubber O- ring....

I think it goes on the filler cap...the filter should have a rubber ring already installed...around the perimeter of the base.


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When I ordered the OEM Oil filter, I also got a metal washer and a rubber o-ring with the filter. I installed metal washer with the oil drain cap, and the rubber o-ring with the oil filter.


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Reply #41 on: May 15, 2020, 12:56:49 am
What size (diameter) was the rubber O- ring....

I think it goes on the filler cap...the filter should have a rubber ring already installed...around the perimeter of the base.


Cookie

You got lucky! I ordered 3 oil filters, still have two of them left, so I could take pictures :)

Please take a look at the pictures below and let me know if you need any additional information.

When you remove the oil drain cap, you will find similar metal washer attached in the picture - so I replaced that as-is with the new one. When I installed the oil filter, the thing that the oil filter gets attached to I inserted the rubber o-ring and then screwed the oil filter tight... not as tight as the guys at the factory did, but tight enough that there is no oil leak.

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Reply #42 on: May 15, 2020, 09:00:19 am
The RUBBER O-ring in the pictures....it goes onto the FILLER cap.....not the oil filter....

I think you need to remove it form the filter if you installed it onto the filter.....

I simply threw this small rubber O-ring away, as the one on the filler cap was still in like new condition....


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You got lucky! I ordered 3 oil filters, still have two of them left, so I could take pictures :)

Please take a look at the pictures below and let me know if you need any additional information.

When you remove the oil drain cap, you will find similar metal washer attached in the picture - so I replaced that as-is with the new one. When I installed the oil filter, the thing that the oil filter gets attached to I inserted the rubber o-ring and then screwed the oil filter tight... not as tight as the guys at the factory did, but tight enough that there is no oil leak.

Hope this helps!


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Reply #43 on: May 15, 2020, 09:08:23 am
Unless I'm wrong?



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The RUBBER O-ring in the pictures....it goes onto the FILLER cap.....not the oil filter....

I think you need to remove it form the filter if you installed it onto the filter.....

I simply threw this small rubber O-ring away, as the one on the filler cap was still in like new condition....


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Reply #44 on: May 15, 2020, 09:43:22 am
Unless I'm wrong?



Cookie

Yes you are right.

Take your filter off and remove the rubber ring, it could be restricting the oil flow, and do a lot of  damage to your engine.
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Reply #45 on: May 15, 2020, 12:11:22 pm
Yes you are right.

Take your filter off and remove the rubber ring, it could be restricting the oil flow, and do a lot of  damage to your engine.

QUESTION: Does that O-ring fit both the filler cap and the feed pipe?
That is to say are the cap and pipe the same size? Remember, rubber stretches.
If the answer is no, that settles the question. If the answer is yes, someone should get the answer from RE and/or a filter company.
Does RE use that same filter for more than one engine?


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Reply #46 on: May 15, 2020, 04:29:54 pm
Whether the o ring fits here or there is immaterial.  It goes where it goes.

If the filter nipple and the cap are the same size,it  is coincidental...

O-rings are not supposed to be stretched to fit..

The other royal enfield models use a completely different filter..don't confuse the way they are assembled with the spin-on filter on the 650...

Never in my life have I seen a spin on filter use a small o-ring around the nipple....only the larger rubber gasket which is made integral with the filter can itself...

Logic...to do an oil change you must remove 3 items:

1) filter
2) drain plug
3) filler cap

The "kit" comes with three things;

1) new filter
2) new metal gasket (crush washer) for drain plug
3) new o-ring for filler cap


at least that's my logic

unless I'm wrong...


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QUESTION: Does that O-ring fit both the filler cap and the feed pipe?
That is to say are the cap and pipe the same size? Remember, rubber stretches.
If the answer is no, that settles the question. If the answer is yes, someone should get the answer from RE and/or a filter company.
Does RE use that same filter for more than one engine?


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Reply #47 on: May 15, 2020, 04:35:58 pm
Whether the o ring fits here or there is immaterial.  It goes where it goes.

If the filter nipple and the cap are the same size,it  is coincidental...

O-rings are not supposed to be stretched to fit..

The other royal enfield models use a completely different filter..don't confuse the way they are assembled with the spin-on filter on the 650...

Never in my life have I seen a spin on filter use a small o-ring around the nipple....only the larger rubber gasket which is made integral with the filter can itself...

Logic...to do an oil change you must remove 3 items:

1) filter
2) drain plug
3) filler cap

The "kit" comes with three things;

1) new filter
2) new metal gasket (crush washer) for drain plug
3) new o-ring for filler cap


at least that's my logic

unless I'm wrong...


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Yes, the o-ring is not at all stretched, and in fact, perfectly fits. I checked the service manual, it doesn't say anything about adding the 18mm o-ring to the threaded stud.

QUESTION: Does that O-ring fit both the filler cap and the feed pipe?
That is to say are the cap and pipe the same size? Remember, rubber stretches.
If the answer is no, that settles the question. If the answer is yes, someone should get the answer from RE and/or a filter company.
Does RE use that same filter for more than one engine?

I checked the diameter of the oil cap, and it looks like the 18mm rubber o-ring fits on it nice and tight.

Yes you are right.

Take your filter off and remove the rubber ring, it could be restricting the oil flow, and do a lot of  damage to your engine.

Yes, absolutely not recommended... BUT, I seriously think adding that 18mm rubber o-ring around the threaded stud does not restrict the oil flow. If you look at the attached picture, the o-ring goes all the way down on the threaded stud, where you see that there are no threads towards the end - that's where the o-ring sits and has no impact on the oil flow.  That should not restrict any oil flow as it is not in the way of the flow.

Also, the outer o-ring seals pretty well - even with the o-ring installed on the threaded stud. I assume there is a bit of a leverage/room in there.

I agree the engine would be damaged if the oil flow is restricted. Obviously next time on-wards, that o-ring either gets thrown out or used in the oil cap :)

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Reply #48 on: May 15, 2020, 06:31:09 pm
Well if you don't want to remove the oil filter (and make a big mess) you will "probably" not have an issue.

if it were me...I wouldn't be able to sleep at night, so that ring would come off!

Whatever you are comfortable with!



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Yes, the o-ring is not at all stretched, and in fact, perfectly fits. I checked the service manual, it doesn't say anything about adding the 18mm o-ring to the threaded stud.

I checked the diameter of the oil cap, and it looks like the 18mm rubber o-ring fits on it nice and tight.

Yes, absolutely not recommended... BUT, I seriously think adding that 18mm rubber o-ring around the threaded stud does not restrict the oil flow. If you look at the attached picture, the o-ring goes all the way down on the threaded stud, where you see that there are no threads towards the end - that's where the o-ring sits and has no impact on the oil flow.  That should not restrict any oil flow as it is not in the way of the flow.

Also, the outer o-ring seals pretty well - even with the o-ring installed on the threaded stud. I assume there is a bit of a leverage/room in there.

I agree the engine would be damaged if the oil flow is restricted. Obviously next time on-wards, that o-ring either gets thrown out or used in the oil cap :)


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Reply #49 on: May 15, 2020, 07:16:16 pm
Any suggestions as to the best place to order OEM oil filters? That is, in the USA to avoid high shipping cost.
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Reply #50 on: May 15, 2020, 07:36:03 pm
That is great, where did you get those 650 filters? Where is the seller?
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Reply #51 on: May 15, 2020, 10:55:33 pm
That is great, where did you get those 650 filters? Where is the seller?

I called up nearest Royal Enfield dealer and asked them if they have them in stock and if they ship the items. They said gave me their eBay seller's username, and I was able to order the items through eBay.

Most sellers are eBay are pretty accurate with their description and you can also contact them and ask for additional details if you are in doubt.

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Reply #52 on: May 16, 2020, 03:17:19 pm
It looks like the supply of OEM royal Enfield 650 filters has dried up in the USA! (nothing being shipped out of India, Corona)

I don't see any on e-bay except one with $52 shipping cost!

I may re-visit a suitable substitute again...Like the Mobile 1.


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Reply #53 on: May 16, 2020, 05:30:08 pm
It looks like the supply of OEM royal Enfield 650 filters has dried up in the USA! (nothing being shipped out of India, Corona)

I don't see any on e-bay except one with $52 shipping cost!

I may re-visit a suitable substitute again...Like the Mobile 1.


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I checked with the local dealership yesterday, and they are out too! I sent you a PM...

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Reply #54 on: May 17, 2020, 10:03:13 am
FWIW I ordered my Mahle oil filter from Western Cycle Supply and reused the drain plug crush washer as it was in perfect condition. 150 miles on the bike since service and no problems of any kind.


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Reply #55 on: May 17, 2020, 11:17:19 am
Just ordered a Mobil 1 M1-104A Extended Performance Oil Filter and Castrol full synthetic M/C oil from Amazon. Great prices but hope it's not a mistake. What choice do we have. There are essentially no OEM filters available, unless you spend $80 for one! I suspect it will work . Anyone use this filter?
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Reply #56 on: May 17, 2020, 05:01:22 pm
The parts book also calls out M14 575630

https://westerncyclesupply.com/drain-plug-washer/

I think $110 shipping to Canada for a $1.99 crush washer is a bit excessive.


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Reply #57 on: May 17, 2020, 06:46:15 pm
I think $110 shipping to Canada for a $1.99 crush washer is a bit excessive.

Spending $100+ for an oil filter is crazy no matter what people say. Prices are jacked up mostly because of lack of shipping/transportation from the originating country. Most people prefer to install OEM filter if they are doing the oil change for the first time, but after that, I'm pretty sure folks will reserve to off-market filters - I know I would :)

I have been in touch with a friend of mine, an RE dealer in India. He has items in stock, but the problem is the international courier/shipping. I ordered a few items from UK and Italy, they are sitting in New York and Illinois processing centers since April 27.
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Reply #58 on: May 17, 2020, 08:43:33 pm
So what do dealers do when you bring your bike in for servicing?  Not replace the filter? Or replace it with an aftermarket filter that has the same specifications?

I sure am glad that I stocked up on filter kits from N-Field Gear for my Bullet when they were having a sale. I have enough filters and washers to last me at least another 20K miles.  :)
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Reply #59 on: May 18, 2020, 12:09:49 am
they are shown out of stock on the website as of yesterday!


FWIW I ordered my Mahle oil filter from Western Cycle Supply and reused the drain plug crush washer as it was in perfect condition. 150 miles on the bike since service and no problems of any kind.


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Reply #60 on: May 18, 2020, 12:13:36 am
I just met with a riding buddy today...this guy has like 60 years motorcycle experience....he's owned 100 some odd motorcycles..he has complete shop at his house...he does top notch restorations...

He said, no need to be fussy about a spin on oil filter...just go to walmart and match up the thread and the gasket...and good to go....


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Reply #61 on: May 18, 2020, 03:08:43 am
Any brand name filter that fits should work just fine.
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Reply #62 on: May 18, 2020, 08:58:26 am
I just met with a riding buddy today...this guy has like 60 years motorcycle experience....he's owned 100 some odd motorcycles..he has complete shop at his house...he does top notch restorations...

He said, no need to be fussy about a spin on oil filter...just go to walmart and match up the thread and the gasket...and good to go....


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This ^

My old Ducati has a different centre spigot to stock so I can use a $8 BMW car filter instead of the $30 Ducati one. Maybe that's an option if no matching one can be found.
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Reply #63 on: May 19, 2020, 01:55:45 am
Wonder how using an auto oil filter would affect the warranty? I've been using Supertech (Walmart) oil filters on my VTX and Drifter with no issues. Now wish I'd taken the Mahle filter to Walmart and tried to match up.


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Reply #64 on: August 14, 2020, 12:18:01 am
I just did the first oil change on my Interceptor. Thanks to this thread, I bought a Mobil1 M1-104A. It went on and fired up perfectly. FWIW, I am trying Motul 10-50 synthetic. Thanks again to whoever came up with the Mobil 1 cross! I found mine at Blain's Farm and Fleet.


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Reply #65 on: August 14, 2020, 03:02:12 pm
I just did the first oil change on my Interceptor. Thanks to this thread, I bought a Mobil1 M1-104A. It went on and fired up perfectly. FWIW, I am trying Motul 10-50 synthetic. Thanks again to whoever came up with the Mobil 1 cross! I found mine at Blain's Farm and Fleet.

My Mobil 1 now has few hundred miles, some of it at 80 mph on the freeway.

No problems at all.


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Reply #66 on: August 14, 2020, 05:00:10 pm


Thanks for the real world update. I did the first oil change with the RE filter but had picked up that Mobil 1 filter for my next. glad to hear it works fine.
Kudos. Am not so concerned with price as with availability, if Wal-Mart has them, no concern with finding an oil filter.


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Reply #67 on: August 15, 2020, 12:33:45 am
I just did the first oil change on my Interceptor. Thanks to this thread, I bought a Mobil1 M1-104A. It went on and fired up perfectly. FWIW, I am trying Motul 10-50 synthetic. Thanks again to whoever came up with the Mobil 1 cross! I found mine at Blain's Farm and Fleet.
Please let us know how you like the Motul 10w-50. I went with Maxima Pro-plus and it's "ok" but in hot weather the shifting is not as smooth as on cooler days. I'm very interested in your Motul results. Thanks!


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Reply #68 on: September 04, 2020, 06:44:20 am
Anyone know what the OEM filter kit part number might be?  I'm on ebay and I don't see anything listed as a kit.
Everything I find just says "Genuine Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 Oil Filter". 
Do all the RE filters come with the crush washer and filler o-ring, or do I need to find one listed as a kit?

Thanks!


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Reply #69 on: September 04, 2020, 10:32:28 am
I cant get my head around this. Spend thousands on a bike. Possibly hundreds on mods and then wsnt to save a few bucks on an oil filter. Like it's not important. They have a pressure relief valve set Inside. This could be totally different on another brand/type. Just get OE and rest easy.


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Reply #70 on: September 04, 2020, 12:12:54 pm
Anyone know what the OEM filter kit part number might be?  I'm on ebay and I don't see anything listed as a kit.
Everything I find just says "Genuine Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 Oil Filter". 
Do all the RE filters come with the crush washer and filler o-ring, or do I need to find one listed as a kit?

Thanks!

Here it is the part number for RE oil filter
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Reply #71 on: September 04, 2020, 02:12:37 pm
My way of thinking exactly!

Depending who you buy from...you may get a crush washer for the drain plug, and an O- ring for the oil cap included...or not....

There are guys who are so cheap as to not want to even buy a $0.25 crush washer!!!


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I cant get my head around this. Spend thousands on a bike. Possibly hundreds on mods and then wsnt to save a few bucks on an oil filter. Like it's not important. They have a pressure relief valve set Inside. This could be totally different on another brand/type. Just get OE and rest easy.


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Reply #72 on: September 04, 2020, 02:14:22 pm
Here it is the part number for RE oil filter

Thank you.. 

BTW, I found a couple listing that had F (575139/F) in the part number versus the D.  Do you know if F supersedes D or is that just the wrong part?



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Reply #73 on: September 04, 2020, 03:14:41 pm
I cant get my head around this. Spend thousands on a bike. Possibly hundreds on mods and then wsnt to save a few bucks on an oil filter. Like it's not important. They have a pressure relief valve set Inside. This could be totally different on another brand/type. Just get OE and rest easy.

Not sure where you're at, but for a lot of us, it's not a matter of cost, but availability.


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Reply #74 on: September 04, 2020, 04:34:08 pm
everybody!  right now!  order 2 OEM oil filters with crush washers....do it now....

Then it doesn't mater how long the shipping takes...and when you get 2, you are good for the next 12,000 miles!

Keep them in stock so when you need them, they are right there!


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Reply #75 on: September 04, 2020, 06:15:52 pm
everybody!  right now!  order 2 OEM oil filters with crush washers....do it now....

Then it doesn't mater how long the shipping takes...and when you get 2, you are good for the next 12,000 miles!

Keep them in stock so when you need them, they are right there!


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There might be a problem with that....  I've been looking over ebay and I'm seeing pics of RE OEM filters, but when I read the actual description, it doesn't give part numbers
and sometimes under brand, it's just blank.  One said in the title it was Genuine Royal Enfield, but description said AE Spares.  I asked the seller what it was and they haven't
responded back.  I googled AE Spares and I can't tell if they're an aftermarket company or just a company selling parts, which could be genuine.  It's a crap shoot!

BTW, one review on of the listings said they got a cheap Mahle (sp?) filter, not an RE filter.  And a couple weeks ago, I ordered some what I thought were Denso TPMS sensors.  What I got looked like them, but the filler looked like silicone and when I installed them, the stem was longer and I also needed a larger socket.  I should have known they were kockoffs when the packing was different than the last ones I bought.  Still the work.  I wrote a review saying I believe the parts were knockoffs.  1st the seller tries to get me to send it back for a full refund, but asked me to remove the review...  I was thinking yeah right, it's going to cost me to uninstall, and in postage.  They're now telling me I can keep them and they will give me a refund and an additional $3 if I remove the review because it's hurting their business.  IMO, they shouldn't be selling knockoffs as the real thing and trying to cheat people.




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Reply #76 on: September 04, 2020, 06:33:19 pm
There might be a problem with that....  I've been looking over ebay and I'm seeing pics of RE OEM filters, but when I read the actual description, it doesn't give part numbers
and sometimes under brand, it's just blank.  One said in the title it was Genuine Royal Enfield, but description said AE Spares.  I asked the seller what it was and they haven't
responded back.  I googled AE Spares and I can't tell if they're an aftermarket company or just a company selling parts, which could be genuine.  It's a crap shoot!

BTW, one review on of the listings said they got a cheap Mahle (sp?) filter, not an RE filter.  And a couple weeks ago, I ordered some what I thought were Denso TPMS sensors.  What I got looked like them, but the filler looked like silicone and when I installed them, the stem was longer and I also needed a larger socket.  I should have known they were kockoffs when the packing was different than the last ones I bought.  Still the work.  I wrote a review saying I believe the parts were knockoffs.  1st the seller tries to get me to send it back for a full refund, but asked me to remove the review...  I was thinking yeah right, it's going to cost me to uninstall, and in postage.  They're now telling me I can keep them and they will give me a refund and an additional $3 if I remove the review because it's hurting their business.  IMO, they shouldn't be selling knockoffs as the real thing and trying to cheat people.

I have a Mahle filter from Tim here on the forum. https://westerncyclesupply.com/650cc-oil-filter-by-mahle/

Totally legitimate and perfect fit. Changed to this one at the 300 mile service. These are used by Porsche on their vehicles. Of course they're out of stock now, which is why I bought two way back when. Still only at 1,000 miles on mine so plenty of time.

I have to do some research on this for our bikes, but my understanding is that practically all OEM auto filters are re-branded generic filters. Any decent oil filter will have a pressure relief valve. Yes, change the crush washer. No, don't obsess over it. If you can't get OEM or don't want to, put what you want on the bike and go ride.
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Reply #77 on: September 04, 2020, 06:38:07 pm
Please let us know how you like the Motul 10w-50. I went with Maxima Pro-plus and it's "ok" but in hot weather the shifting is not as smooth as on cooler days. I'm very interested in your Motul results. Thanks!

I just got some Motul 10w-50 also. Will be a while before I change it but now that Silkolene is no longer available I'll switch to Motul and see what happens.
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Reply #78 on: September 04, 2020, 10:36:01 pm
Perhaps pouring Oil on already troubled waters,but I recently ordered a filter from a French website,which I understood to be a Champion product. However upon arrival it turns out to be a Stark-Automotive product (SKOF 0860004). Has anybody experience,good or  bad,of this maker ?


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Reply #79 on: September 05, 2020, 02:19:03 pm
Kinda, sorta local (1.5 hrs away and in the neighboring State) dealer has the OEM filter number 575139/D in stock for $6.  They asked if I needed a crush washer, so I asked if it was the kit that came with the crush washer and o-ring.  Was told that they weren't aware of a kit, but this was the filter by itself.  They sold a copper crush washer as a separate item.


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Reply #80 on: September 05, 2020, 04:30:52 pm
Thank you.. 

BTW, I found a couple listing that had F (575139/F) in the part number versus the D.  Do you know if F supersedes D or is that just the wrong part?

Both the oil filters are same may be the F series one is costlier than D
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Reply #81 on: September 05, 2020, 07:36:29 pm
Not sure where you're at, but for a lot of us, it's not a matter of cost, but availability.
Not hard with mail order. Just get in advance. I keep in stock at home all OE filters for my car and bikes.
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Reply #82 on: September 08, 2020, 12:37:17 pm
Hi Everyone.
My first Post.

I ordered on ebay 5 Oil Filters from Royal Spares. Fantastic service and a great price.  Not OEM but apparently made by the same manufacturer as the originals.  Arrived in a week from India to Australia.

Great Service.

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Reply #83 on: September 08, 2020, 01:40:02 pm
Hi Everyone.
My first Post.

I ordered on ebay 5 Oil Filters from Royal Spares. Fantastic service and a great price.  Not OEM but apparently made by the same manufacturer as the originals.  Arrived in a week from India to Australia.

Great Service.

Cheers
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Ian,

How do you know it's made by the same manufacture, or even to the same spec, if it's not an OEM filter?

I think Royal Spares was one of the companies I contacted on eBay, and they told me the filters they were selling were OEM filters, which they purchased directly from RE.  Are you sure you got non-oem filters?


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Reply #84 on: September 08, 2020, 09:59:02 pm
I noticed they didnt come in the packaging with the RE emblem so i contacted Royal Spares who gave me that information. They do look exactly like the original filter.
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Reply #85 on: September 09, 2020, 02:40:09 am
Avoid Royal Spares! They sell knock off crap, don’t send parts and don’t respond to emails. Checkout their Facebook page to see all their pissed off customers


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Reply #86 on: September 09, 2020, 03:46:04 am
Thanks for that although my 3 experiences with ordering stuff have been excellent to date from their ebay store.
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Reply #87 on: September 09, 2020, 08:47:32 am
I got genuine Royal Enfield engine bars from Royal spares, took 4 months though.
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Reply #88 on: September 09, 2020, 02:38:17 pm
I've got 2 orders in right now.  Both ordered using ebay, this past Saturday, and both coming from India.

1st seller is Vintagebikes - I got notification this morning, showing they've generated a India Post tracking number.  Doesn't looked to have actually shipped and they only generated the tracking number after I messaged them on Tuesday.

2nd seller was royalspares24x7_us - I got notification from them Sunday saying it shipped with a DHL tracking number.  Tracking is showing it passed US customs in Cincinnati, OH at 1:20am this morning and just left there at 6:18am.  They were advertising "Standard shipping from India" as their shipping method.

I don't know if this is the same royalspares, because I seem to remember contacting a different seller called royalspares on ebay, but if the item is genuine, I'll be ordering from them again.


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Reply #89 on: September 09, 2020, 11:05:29 pm
Yes there does seem to be a few different royal spares. The one I have been using is royalspareparts on ebay in australia. Sorry for the confusion.  As I have said the three orders I have done in the past month have all arrived from India in a bit over a week. They use Fedex with full tracking.

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Reply #90 on: September 10, 2020, 12:16:19 am
Check their contact details,  Royalspares, Royalspareparts have the same phone number.  I think they have many faces for the same base company.


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Reply #91 on: September 10, 2020, 06:57:14 am
I bought my filter from vintagebikecounty on ebay. Good prices and quick delivery from India to the UK.


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Reply #92 on: September 10, 2020, 02:52:26 pm
FYI...

My order from royalspares24x7_us, showed up yesterday. So Super fast delivery!

Product (RE Helmet) was 100% as described and the price was about 30% lower than the average selling price on ebay.


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Reply #93 on: September 10, 2020, 02:55:51 pm
FYI...

My order from royalspares24x7_us, showed up yesterday. So Super fast delivery!

Product (RE Helmet) was 100% as described and the price was about 30% lower than the average selling price on ebay.

Great to hear. I just checked the Ebay seller for my compact engine bars - royal-sparezo. OEM box, wrapped in bubble wrap and stamped Royal Enfield on the bars as it's supposed to be. Took four days from India to Austin. Not bad at all.

I think at last count there were at least five or six "royal spares" accounts on Ebay. Caveat emptor and all that - but great when they are legit.
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Reply #94 on: December 14, 2020, 11:53:57 am
It has been noted here that the Wix 57046 gasket OD at 2.8 is close but not the same as the RE 2.74
While a forum favourite, they are not available here in Thailand

Wix gives a look up by size, and none of their filters are an exact fit:
https://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/FilterBySize.aspx

The other forum favourite is the M1 - 104A with these Wix numbers.
The gasket match is worse at 2.475 OD gasket:
    Part Number   Manufacturer   Wix Part Number   
   M1-104A   OREILLY MOBIL ONE   51334      
   M1-104A   OREILLY MOBIL ONE   51334XP      
   M1-104A   OREILLY MOBIL ONE   57092      
   M1-104A   OREILLY MOBIL ONE   57830      
   M1-104A   OREILLY MOBIL ONE   WL10078      

Has there been any further info on sourcing a proper size filter as I would rather not to have to import from India



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Reply #95 on: December 14, 2020, 03:34:17 pm
Wix 57046:

UPC Number:   765809570467
Style:   Spin-On Lube Filter
Service:   Lube
Type:   Full Flow
Media:   Enhanced Cellulose
Height:   3.575" (91mm)
Outer Diameter Top:   3.065" (78mm)
Outer Diameter Bottom:   Closed:
Thread Size:   20 X 1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI:   12
Anti-Drain Back Valve:   Yes
Beta Ratio:   2/20=14/25
Burst Pressure-PSI:   330
Max Flow Rate:   8-10 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating:   30
Gasket Diameters     2.8"(71mm)OD x 2.47 (63)ID x 0.22 (6) thick
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Reply #96 on: December 15, 2020, 04:08:00 am
The K&N 204-1 I see on FleaBay for the 650 Interceptor is also a poor gasket fit at 2.59" OD

Hiflo Filtro do not have a listing

Is there nothing but the Wix 57046 or equivalent as none of these are available in Thailand ??

Wix 57046 replacement filters:
•   Baldwin B7167
•   Baldwin BT310
•   CARQUEST 84046
•   DAEWOO 96389188
•   DEFENSE DL9897
•   DEUTZ 12850069
•   Donaldson P550076
•   Fleetguard LF3624
•   Fram PH9897
•   General Motors GM 96389188
•   Group 7 V7662
•   HASTINGS B7167
•   KRALINATOR L7046
•   LOMBARDINI 2175.131
•   LUBER-FINER PH2903
•   Mann W610/81
•   Mann W712/8
•   MANN & HUMMEL W712/8
•   MELROE 6661011
•   NAPA 7046
•   PURFLUX LS867B
•   Purolator L17662
•   SECURITY PH-9897
•   STP S2903
•   Suzuki 16510-86Z00
•   Volvo 2900776
•   Wix 51083
•   Wix 57046
•   YALE & TOWNE 150017600
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Reply #97 on: December 15, 2020, 04:17:16 am
Been through this before...I have that Wix filter...it is not the same as the RE filter....

Head to head there are differences in the design and build.

Would that Wix fit?  Yes

Would it work?  Probably

Would I use it?   No way!

I can easily get OEM filters thru the mail!  The cost is trivial.



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The K&N 204-1 I see on FleaBay for the 650 Interceptor is also a poor gasket fit at 2.59" OD

Hiflo Filtro do not have a listing

Is there nothing but the Wix 57046 or equivalent as none of these are available in Thailand ??

Wix 57046 replacement filters:
•   Baldwin B7167
•   Baldwin BT310
•   CARQUEST 84046
•   DAEWOO 96389188
•   DEFENSE DL9897
•   DEUTZ 12850069
•   Donaldson P550076
•   Fleetguard LF3624
•   Fram PH9897
•   General Motors GM 96389188
•   Group 7 V7662
•   HASTINGS B7167
•   KRALINATOR L7046
•   LOMBARDINI 2175.131
•   LUBER-FINER PH2903
•   Mann W610/81
•   Mann W712/8
•   MANN & HUMMEL W712/8
•   MELROE 6661011
•   NAPA 7046
•   PURFLUX LS867B
•   Purolator L17662
•   SECURITY PH-9897
•   STP S2903
•   Suzuki 16510-86Z00
•   Volvo 2900776
•   Wix 51083
•   Wix 57046
•   YALE & TOWNE 150017600


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Reply #98 on: December 15, 2020, 09:58:21 am
While a forum favourite, they are not available here in Thailand

Has there been any further info on sourcing a proper size filter as I would rather not to have to import from India

Why not? It’s a much shorter hop compared to most of us who have imported OEM filters...


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Reply #99 on: December 15, 2020, 11:33:04 am
Why not? It’s a much shorter hop compared to most of us who have imported OEM filters...

I have been to India several times, and the counterfeit shit they sell as OEM would astound you.  Non-OEM replacement parts are more suspect.
I am far from convinced that "genuine" made in India OEM is better than a known quality brand like Wix, Mahle etc.....
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Reply #100 on: December 15, 2020, 12:12:51 pm



It's not a matter of quality...It's a matter of proper fit.

The USA filters will "fit"....do they fit "properly"?   I dunno.....

Go try them and ride  10,000 and let us know if there are any ill effects!


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I have been to India several times, and the counterfeit shit they sell as OEM would astound you.  Non-OEM replacement parts are more suspect.
I am far from convinced that "genuine" made in India OEM is better than a known quality brand like Wix, Mahle etc.....


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Reply #101 on: December 15, 2020, 07:42:18 pm
I have been to India several times, and the counterfeit shit they sell as OEM would astound you.  Non-OEM replacement parts are more suspect.
I am far from convinced that "genuine" made in India OEM is better than a known quality brand like Wix, Mahle etc.....

Hate to break it to you, but the entire motorcycle is made in India...


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Reply #102 on: December 15, 2020, 11:20:50 pm


It's not a matter of quality...It's a matter of proper fit.

The USA filters will "fit"....do they fit "properly"?   I dunno.....

Go try them and ride  10,000 and let us know if there are any ill effects!


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Well, I'm now a 1/5 of that distance on mine...

I don't really ride enough - mine "change the oil every year" policy gets there before the mileage.


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Reply #103 on: December 15, 2020, 11:22:23 pm
Hate to break it to you, but the entire motorcycle is made in India...

And it came from Royal Enfield. Not "Royal Enfeld[sic] Spares" on Ebay.


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Reply #104 on: January 02, 2021, 07:08:03 am
It would appear that there is a direct fit oil filter after all - not Wix close, but the same as RE

There are several Thai made brands of oil filters, and at least two manufacturers that I know of make them for the big name international brands
Full is one such brand and they make what would appear to be a direct equivalent for the factory RE oil filter.  Perhaps this is no coincidence as RE is currently building a factory in Thailand - not just an assembly plant but a full on factory

Advertised as a direct replacement for RE 575139/D:
https://www.taradfilter.com/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2/%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%AD%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%8B%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%8C/fr-re001/

20 micron media
70mm OD gasket x 60mm ID
74mm high
76mm OD
ADV
By-pass valve
With a 17mm nut just like brand K.........................




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Reply #105 on: January 02, 2021, 10:49:34 am
The good news:

That "nut" makes install and removal easy....(Airplane oil filters have this nut, and that is what differentiates it from an automobile filter, otherwise same filter!)

Thailand is a big motorcycle manufacturing area now.....probably, they make good quality stuff..

The bad news:

The whole idea of a "cross reference" filter...was to find one made by a major mfgr. "brand name" if you will, that one could simply walk into an auto parts store, in USA, Australia, UK, etc. and buy off the shelf, for a reasonable price.  And not have to pay shipping for one or two small items (filters)

Ordering from Thailand would be no different for me than ordering an OEM filter from India....(which is what I do)

I have a filter wrench that fits the OEM, and the filter is in easy access,...so that nut is less important and not a selling point to me.

That filter comes out to abut $13 US dollars, so not cheap, plus whatever shipping is and how long it takes to get it, and get it thru customs etc.  Deal breaker for me

On top of that the webside is in Thai....so not so good for those of us who can't read that...

Now if a USA distributor were to by a few hundred and offer for resale?


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It would appear that there is a direct fit oil filter after all - not Wix close, but the same as RE

There are several Thai made brands of oil filters, and at least two manufacturers that I know of make them for the big name international brands
Full is one such brand and they make what would appear to be a direct equivalent for the factory RE oil filter.  Perhaps this is no coincidence as RE is currently building a factory in Thailand - not just an assembly plant but a full on factory

Advertised as a direct replacement for RE 575139/D:
https://www.taradfilter.com/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2/%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%AD%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%8B%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%8C/fr-re001/

20 micron media
70mm OD gasket x 60mm ID
74mm high
76mm OD
ADV
By-pass valve
With a 17mm nut just like brand K.........................


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Reply #106 on: January 02, 2021, 11:30:25 am
The good news:

That "nut" makes install and removal easy....(Airplane oil filters have this nut, and that is what differentiates it from an automobile filter, otherwise same filter!)

Thailand is a big motorcycle manufacturing area now.....probably, they make good quality stuff..

The bad news:

The whole idea of a "cross reference" filter...was to find one made by a major mfgr. "brand name" if you will, that one could simply walk into an auto parts store, in USA, Australia, UK, etc. and buy off the shelf, for a reasonable price.  And not have to pay shipping for one or two small items (filters)

Ordering from Thailand would be no different for me than ordering an OEM filter from India....(which is what I do)

I have a filter wrench that fits the OEM, and the filter is in easy access,...so that nut is less important and not a selling point to me.

That filter comes out to abut $13 US dollars, so not cheap, plus whatever shipping is and how long it takes to get it, and get it thru customs etc.  Deal breaker for me

On top of that the webside is in Thai....so not so good for those of us who can't read that...

Now if a USA distributor were to by a few hundred and offer for resale?


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Yes lots of good stuff made here as several big name brands are made here now - for example both my Ducati and Triumph are made in Thailand for both domestic and export.
HiFlo Filtro is the other big brand and you will find that it looks a LOT like K&N..................

The website I am looking at comes up in Thai, then defaults to English - maybe my browser settings.
In any case I gave you the important specs.
 I am speaking to the factory Engineers now and they confirm the by-pass valve rate at 1kg/cm2.  I am awaiting confirmation of the filter area and flow rate

https://www.taradfilter.com/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2/%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%AD%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%8B%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%8C/fr-re001/

We all do not live in the USA, UK, or Australia.  The ability to walk into NAPA for a Wix, M1, etc is of no use to me even if they were the same.
Hopefully this is a help for those of us in Thailand and greater Asia

Cost delivered to my door via Lazada is 279 THB or 9.72 USD, however cost is immaterial if no other local choice.  The Dealer is useless, and I will not buy unknown quality "OEM" from Indian online Vendors.  I have seen far too many OEM copies in the Delhi bike market to buy via mail from India.  Hopefully you are getting the real McCoy

Agreed about the nut, and it will just encourage a novice to use it to tighten the filter.  It can be handy in some restricted applications to remove, or in racing to safety wire on
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Reply #107 on: January 02, 2021, 12:38:11 pm
Oh I see.

This is a great option for those in that part of the world!


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Yes lots of good stuff made here as several big name brands are made here now - for example both my Ducati and Triumph are made in Thailand for both domestic and export.
HiFlo Filtro is the other big brand and you will find that it looks a LOT like K&N..................

The website I am looking at comes up in Thai, then defaults to English - maybe my browser settings.
In any case I gave you the important specs.
 I am speaking to the factory Engineers now and they confirm the by-pass valve rate at 1kg/cm2.  I am awaiting confirmation of the filter area and flow rate

https://www.taradfilter.com/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2/%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%AD%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%8B%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%8C/fr-re001/

We all do not live in the USA, UK, or Australia.  The ability to walk into NAPA for a Wix, M1, etc is of no use to me even if they were the same.
Hopefully this is a help for those of us in Thailand and greater Asia

Cost delivered to my door via Lazada is 279 THB or 9.72 USD, however cost is immaterial if no other local choice.  The Dealer is useless, and I will not buy unknown quality "OEM" from Indian online Vendors.  I have seen far too many OEM copies in the Delhi bike market to buy via mail from India.  Hopefully you are getting the real McCoy

Agreed about the nut, and it will just encourage a novice to use it to tighten the filter.  It can be handy in some restricted applications to remove, or in racing to safety wire on


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Reply #108 on: January 02, 2021, 12:51:37 pm
It would appear that there is a direct fit oil filter after all - not Wix close, but the same as RE

There are several Thai made brands of oil filters, and at least two manufacturers that I know of make them for the big name international brands
Full is one such brand and they make what would appear to be a direct equivalent for the factory RE oil filter.  Perhaps this is no coincidence as RE is currently building a factory in Thailand - not just an assembly plant but a full on factory

Advertised as a direct replacement for RE 575139/D:
https://www.taradfilter.com/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2/%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%AD%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%8B%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%8C/fr-re001/

20 micron media
70mm OD gasket x 60mm ID
74mm high
76mm OD
ADV
By-pass valve
With a 17mm nut just like brand K.........................
Excellent! Good find HogHead. K&N told me they were coming and even the font on that one matches brand K.
Having that removal nut is very handy and I have them on my other bikes and my trucks.
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Reply #109 on: January 02, 2021, 01:30:22 pm
The Mobil M1-104A is a suitable replacement filter, I forget where I found this information but it's what I've used since I changed the oil  for the 1st service.


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Reply #110 on: January 02, 2021, 02:13:04 pm
The Mobil M1-104A is a suitable replacement filter, I forget where I found this information but it's what I've used since I changed the oil  for the 1st service.

I forget why I crossed that off my short list - must be age..........
Is the gasket not a different size?
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Reply #111 on: January 02, 2021, 02:46:44 pm
I'm sure it will work.

It is not EXACTLY the same.  Does that matter?  Probably not.

But I have too much German in my genes to allow that !


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The Mobil M1-104A is a suitable replacement filter, I forget where I found this information but it's what I've used since I changed the oil  for the 1st service.


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Reply #112 on: January 02, 2021, 03:43:44 pm
I'm sure it will work.

It is not EXACTLY the same.  Does that matter?  Probably not.

But I have too much German in my genes to allow that !


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I'm with Cookie on this one. I've worked with enough engineers to know that when they specify a certain dimension for something, such as an oil filter O ring seat. It's usually for what they perceive to be a very good reason, be it scale of economy, to avoid a potential problem or maybe to correct an existing fault. It may, and I stress the word may, also be because the manufacturer has a tie in with another company, In this case lets assume it's Mahle, and wants the consumer to be locked into buying replacement parts, i.e. filters from that company. Do they always get it right? Not by a long shot, but they do get it right often enough to make their judgements valid. For sure RE/Harris could have designed the oil filter mount to accommodate  any commonly available oil filter that would have fit in the space allotted for it, but for whatever reason they didn't. So far only one filter fits perfectly, and since no one has any problems with the stock filter's performance, I don't see any profound reason to install anything else. I buy my filters two at a time from my RE dealer, so there's always one on the shelf, and one new one on the bike. If someone that I trust: Baldwin, Wix, K&N or Mobil comes out with a certified replacement, I may be tempted to go that way just because I can buy them from my local auto parts store. Until then I'll stick with the OEM because they're easy to get, known to fit properly, and work.


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Reply #113 on: January 02, 2021, 04:27:26 pm
I'm with Cookie on this one. I've worked with enough engineers to know that when they specify a certain dimension for something, such as an oil filter O ring seat. It's usually for what they perceive to be a very good reason, be it scale of economy, to avoid a potential problem or maybe to correct an existing fault. It may, and I stress the word may, also be because the manufacturer has a tie in with another company, In this case lets assume it's Mahle, and wants the consumer to be locked into buying replacement parts, i.e. filters from that company. Do they always get it right? Not by a long shot, but they do get it right often enough to make their judgements valid. For sure RE/Harris could have designed the oil filter mount to accommodate  any commonly available oil filter that would have fit in the space allotted for it, but for whatever reason they didn't. So far only one filter fits perfectly, and since no one has any problems with the stock filter's performance, I don't see any profound reason to install anything else. I buy my filters two at a time from my RE dealer, so there's always one on the shelf, and one new one on the bike. If someone that I trust: Baldwin, Wix, K&N or Mobil comes out with a certified replacement, I may be tempted to go that way just because I can buy them from my local auto parts store. Until then I'll stick with the OEM because they're easy to get, known to fit properly, and work.

Trustworthy K&N oil filters are made here in Thailand................

The point of my research is not to have to deal with a Dealer with no stock, and not to import unknown quality from India.  If you insist on OEM that is fine, however some of us do not have a local choice, or do not want to import from India.

The problem I see with the common known brands is that the gasket is not identical.  OD and length are not an issue in this case, as there are no great space constraints on external dimensions.  Pore size, by-pass setting, drain back valve, etc are all within reason.  Ours are not high flow rate engines, and the flow rate is most likely more than the engine capacity regardless of the number of holes in the filter.

The Full brand RE001 referenced is the only one that I can find listed anywhere as a direct replacement for the OEM filter, is dimensionally identical to the OEM, and like the OEM equipped with a DBV, and by-pass.  If I knew detailed specs on the OEM filter, one could compare the critical criteria, however that information does not seem to be available.
The 20 micron rating, by-pass setting, and synthetic media is comparable to the "quality known brands", and what one would typically see in an OEM filter.  Once I know the flow rate, and filter area of the RE001, then dissect the OEM, I can give a more informed engineering opinion.

From the specs I know now, the RE001 is going on my bike tomorrow
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Reply #114 on: January 02, 2021, 05:10:47 pm
Trustworthy K&N oil filters are made here in Thailand................

The point of my research is not to have to deal with a Dealer with no stock, and not to import unknown quality from India.  If you insist on OEM that is fine, however some of us do not have a local choice, or do not want to import from India.

The problem I see with the common known brands is that the gasket is not identical.  OD and length are not an issue in this case, as there are no great space constraints on external dimensions.  Pore size, by-pass setting, drain back valve, etc are all within reason.  Ours are not high flow rate engines, and the flow rate is most likely more than the engine capacity regardless of the number of holes in the filter.




The Full brand RE001 referenced is the only one that I can find listed anywhere as a direct replacement for the OEM filter, is dimensionally identical to the OEM, and like the OEM equipped with a DBV, and by-pass.  If I knew detailed specs on the OEM filter, one could compare the critical criteria, however that information does not seem to be available.
The 20 micron rating, by-pass setting, and synthetic media is comparable to the "quality known brands", and what one would typically see in an OEM filter.  Once I know the flow rate, and filter area of the RE001, then dissect the OEM, I can give a more informed engineering opinion.

From the specs I know now, the RE001 is going on my bike tomorrow

I wouldn't argue with a single point you've made, and I have nothing against filters manufactured in Thailand or anywhere else. Nor do I have any problems with whatever filter you choose to use, especially since you seem to have limited access to filters, and also have obviously done a fair bit of research on the subject.

 My only point is that until a filter manufacturer can definitively tell me that their filter is a direct replacement for the OEM, and provide some sort of verification I'd feel uncomfortable using it over an OEM. I did check out the FULL brand, and it did translate to English, but I've never seen them for sale in the US and none of the guys I deal with on a regular basis: NAPA and Fleet Pride, plus a local family owned parts supply, have ever heard of them. That being the case I'll look forward to your further input.
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Reply #115 on: January 04, 2021, 03:39:15 am
I just received a Mahle OC-1600 from India which fits my Interceptor.  $13 shipped.  I tried diligently to locate a cross reference to a less expensive, US brand filter but was unsuccessful.  I'm going to stop at a NAPA Auto Parts store on Tuesday and see if NAPA has a Wix or NAPA Gold filter that is a match for the Mahle's physical dimensions.

Anyone able to cross reference the Mahle OC 1600? 
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Reply #116 on: January 04, 2021, 06:01:36 am
I just received a Mahle OC-1600 from India which fits my Interceptor.  $13 shipped.  I tried diligently to locate a cross reference to a less expensive, US brand filter but was unsuccessful.  I'm going to stop at a NAPA Auto Parts store on Tuesday and see if NAPA has a Wix or NAPA Gold filter that is a match for the Mahle's physical dimensions.

Anyone able to cross reference the Mahle OC 1600?

Mahle do not seem to list it in any reference that I can find.  Makes me a bit suspect
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Reply #117 on: January 04, 2021, 07:31:27 am
The Dealer installed filter is devoid of all markings but C1D9 stenciled on the bottom - does this sound OEM?

Did some measuring of the gasket surface on the engine case. A bit difficult to get in to measure the OD accurately:
63.5mm ID x 78mm OD

OEM gasket surface:
60mm ID x 70mm OD

So a very small 3.25mm gasket bearing surface, evidenced by the OEM gasket being partially cut through at 63.5mm ID yielding
Makes me wonder why the RE engineers, haven taken the time to spec a seemingly unique filter, did not utilise the 5mm wide gasket surface? 

Given the gasket surface on the case, there should be more options

The Mobil 1 model M1-104A seems popular here - what is the gasket size?


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Reply #118 on: January 06, 2021, 04:57:40 am
Today, I took my Mahle filter #OC 1600 to the NAPA Auto Parts store in my town.  All the countermen are old timers and know their stuff.  They could find no match for the Mahle and believe me they looked hard, determined to get a cross reference for me to a NAPA or Wix filter.  No use.

I'm going to use the Mahle as it came from Enfield County in India, which I believe is a responsible vendor. $13 shipped and with Texas sales tax.  I am looking for a more common US filter not for reasons of cost, but I want to be sure the filter I use will do no harm to my Interceptor. 

I think this thread is a very serious one and I hope it eventually gives some positive results.  In addition to thread pitch and size and gasket diameter, I'd like to know that the pressure relief valve is of the same setting as the RE factory filter.  I am 70 miles from my nearest Enfield dealer and would like to have some leeway re filters available locally or by Internet offering trusted makers' filters.
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Reply #119 on: January 06, 2021, 05:24:24 am
Today, I took my Mahle filter #OC 1600 to the NAPA Auto Parts store in my town.  All the countermen are old timers and know their stuff.  They could find no match for the Mahle and believe me they looked hard, determined to get a cross reference for me to a NAPA or Wix filter.  No use.

I'm going to use the Mahle as it came from Enfield County in India, which I believe is a responsible vendor. $13 shipped and with Texas sales tax.  I am looking for a more common US filter not for reasons of cost, but I want to be sure the filter I use will do no harm to my Interceptor. 

I think this thread is a very serious one and I hope it eventually gives some positive results.  In addition to thread pitch and size and gasket diameter, I'd like to know that the pressure relief valve is of the same setting as the RE factory filter.  I am 70 miles from my nearest Enfield dealer and would like to have some leeway re filters available locally or by Internet offering trusted makers' filters.

Thread is M20 x 1.5

The gasket design size is a bit of a mystery as the stock OEM filter gasket does not match the engine case
Engine case gasket mating surface:
63.5mm ID x 78mm OD

OEM gasket surface:
60mm ID x 70mm OD

I am very, very, suspect of those "Mahle" filters........................  I have seen far too many "genuine parts" to be trusting of Indian market vendors. 

Typical by-pass settings are 12-15 psi and this should be in the ballpark.  I can find no data at all on the RE by-pass.
I am more interested in the oil flow rate in the 650 engine and would appreciate if anyone knows

Wix 57046 as noted by others on this forum seems a match for gasket, pore size, by-pass, and overall dimensions.  What I do not know is that the flow rate of 8-10 USG/min is within the range of the RE engine
Mobil 1 - 104A is also referenced on this forum, but I cannot find the gasket size.  Can your NAPA man provide this?


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Reply #120 on: January 08, 2021, 06:09:22 am
It would appear that there is a direct fit oil filter after all - not Wix close, but the same as RE

There are several Thai made brands of oil filters, and at least two manufacturers that I know of make them for the big name international brands
Full is one such brand and they make what would appear to be a direct equivalent for the factory RE oil filter.  Perhaps this is no coincidence as RE is currently building a factory in Thailand - not just an assembly plant but a full on factory

Advertised as a direct replacement for RE 575139/D:
https://www.taradfilter.com/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2/%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%AD%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%8B%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%8C/fr-re001/

20 micron media
70mm OD gasket x 60mm ID
74mm high
76mm OD
ADV
By-pass valve
With a 17mm nut just like brand K.........................

From Full Filter today re the Razer RE-001 filter listed for the RE 650:

"From the JIS D1611 test with SAE30 oil, oil temperature 75 Celcius at rated flow 30LPM, the pressure drop is around 17 to 25 kPa (not exceeding)"


By-pass valve setting is 1kg/cm2 

They have corrected my gasket measurement at 70.2 OD x 60.4 ID

That is a low pressure drop, compared to other specs I have seen, and encouraging that that data is even available. 
I am awaiting the media area spec

So far it seems a very viable alternative for those of us in Asia or importing filters from India
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Reply #121 on: January 31, 2021, 03:25:38 am
From Full Filter today re the Razer RE-001 filter listed for the RE 650:

"From the JIS D1611 test with SAE30 oil, oil temperature 75 Celcius at rated flow 30LPM, the pressure drop is around 17 to 25 kPa (not exceeding)"


By-pass valve setting is 1kg/cm2 

They have corrected my gasket measurement at 70.2 OD x 60.4 ID

That is a low pressure drop, compared to other specs I have seen, and encouraging that that data is even available. 
I am awaiting the media area spec

So far it seems a very viable alternative for those of us in Asia or importing filters from India

I am now in receipt of test data comparing pressure drop of a stock genuine RE 575139/F VS the Full RE-001 filter per JIS D1611 using SAE 30 oil at 75C
At max rated flow of 30 L/min the Full brand filter is 23 kPa while the RE is 26 kPa

While the OEM filter can is a lot larger, the filter media area for the Full is .084 sq m while the OEM is 0.77 sq m

In summation, the Full RE-001 has a larger 20 micron filter area, and lower pressure drop, with identical gasket, by-pass, and drain back specs compared to OEM.   Having a 17mm nut on the bottom is of value to some

I had never heard of Full and even though I live in Thailand, I assumed that they are just another local crappy copycat brand.  Seemingly now so, and a huge manufacturer, a sub-contractor to OEM and other known brands, with a decent quality product that is equal or better than RE-OEM






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Reply #122 on: February 02, 2021, 04:19:51 am
Look on lazada.thailand they have reasonably priced replacement filters there!

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Reply #123 on: February 04, 2021, 04:14:41 am
Look on lazada.thailand they have reasonably priced replacement filters there!

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Price is not my concern as no shortage of "cheap" parts on Lazada and your local corner mocyc shop
The goal was to find a locally available filter that met or exceeds the OEM spec, and the Full Razer RE-001 does that.  BTW they are on Lazada too
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Reply #124 on: March 21, 2021, 10:18:55 pm
Please let us know how you like the Motul 10w-50. I went with Maxima Pro-plus and it's "ok" but in hot weather the shifting is not as smooth as on cooler days. I'm very interested in your Motul results. Thanks!

I'd like less false neutrals when hot as well. I'll try something else next time. I hope it's still just running in.


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As I live in Dan Chang, Suphanburi, I have been using the Full Razor re001 oil filter for nearly 5,000 km with Valvoline 10_50 fully synthetic. Not broken down Yet!(speed sensor for speedo replaced under warranty 2 weeks ago).
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Reply #126 on: April 03, 2021, 09:51:11 pm
These three filters are the only ones I have actually measured. I have "NOT" screwed them onto a bike however!!
I don't have my bike yet so I can't say absolutely for sure

When the filter nipple threads and the oil filter threads just begin to thread together there must be at least 3/8"
space between the filter gasket and the engine for the filter threads to completely engage

As far as I can tell, the Wix and the Napa gold are exactly the same. All three are very high quality made in the USA

1. Wix 57046

2. Napa Gold 7046

3. Carquest Premium 84046

I just had a fail with the Wix 51358, the one that's listed for Triumph. Oops.
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Reply #127 on: April 03, 2021, 10:33:19 pm
It's funny the stories you hear about false neutrals l have not had any on my bike.


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Reply #128 on: April 04, 2021, 01:51:22 am
It's funny the stories you hear about false neutrals l have not had any on my bike.

I get one each ride between 5-6 gear. I'm not the only one on here who does. Seems we get a mixed bag of common issues on our bikes. There are other common issues I don't experience.
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Reply #129 on: April 04, 2021, 08:13:24 am
I just had a fail with the Wix 51358, the one that's listed for Triumph. Oops.

None of those are an exact fit in at least one or more parameters
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Reply #130 on: April 04, 2021, 09:43:50 pm
Just for you guys to know. I just ordered 1 (OEM) oil filter from Western Cycle Supply and also 1 (OEM) oil filter from eBay Royal-Spareszo.

When they arrive I will post the picture of then side by side so you all and I see if there is a difference.

Western Cycle Supply customer service is AMAZING.

Price difference is less than $2-3. Now it's time to see or prove if Ebay purchase is real or fake.

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Reply #131 on: April 04, 2021, 10:51:54 pm
I get one each ride between 5-6 gear. I'm not the only one on here who does. Seems we get a mixed bag of common issues on our bikes. There are other common issues I don't experience.

I was getting false neutrals every once in a while.

I had adjusted the shift level up from the delivered position and noticed that on an upshift the top of the lever tab at the rear where the Heim joint bolts in can hit the foot peg mount.

A little work with a rat tail file and black magic marker... no more false neutrals... not a one.


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Reply #132 on: April 04, 2021, 11:09:04 pm
I get one each ride between 5-6 gear. I'm not the only one on here who does. Seems we get a mixed bag of common issues on our bikes. There are other common issues I don't experience.

Same here, lots of false neutrals going into 6th.


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Reply #133 on: April 04, 2021, 11:22:01 pm
Well l can only conclude some bikes must be different to others, odd though all parts should be machined to same specs.


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Reply #134 on: April 05, 2021, 12:46:35 am
Well l can only conclude some bikes must be different to others, odd though all parts should be machined to same specs.

East to jump to conclusions it's the transmission or internal shifting mechanism when it could be something simple and EZ to fix on the outside.  Occam's razor.



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Reply #135 on: April 05, 2021, 01:22:54 am
East to jump to conclusions it's the transmission or internal shifting mechanism when it could be something simple and EZ to fix on the outside.  Occam's razor.

Solid point!
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Reply #136 on: April 05, 2021, 04:40:20 am
Just for you guys to know. I just ordered 1 (OEM) oil filter from Western Cycle Supply and also 1 (OEM) oil filter from eBay Royal-Spareszo.

When they arrive I will post the picture of then side by side so you all and I see if there is a difference.

Western Cycle Supply customer service is AMAZING.

Price difference is less than $2-3. Now it's time to see or prove if Ebay purchase is real or fake.

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Unless you can measure filter area, pore size of the media, type of media, by-pass valve setting, and flow rate, a visual comparison does not mean much. 

Not to mention that there is no guarantee that an "OEM" part from a non-Dealer (or in several countires even the Dealer) is a genuine first run, OEM quality controlled and inspected part.

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Reply #137 on: April 05, 2021, 04:23:14 pm
Unless you can measure filter area, pore size of the media, type of media, by-pass valve setting, and flow rate, a visual comparison does not mean much. 

Not to mention that there is no guarantee that an "OEM" part from a non-Dealer (or in several countires even the Dealer) is a genuine first run, OEM quality controlled and inspected part.

True. Well, I should have a couple on the way soon from different resources. I don't mind having a couple on the shelf.

Similar category (thread hijack) - What oil is everyone using? Post link if possible. I am a big Amsoil fan. I have used it an every motorcycle I have owned. I believe the manual states 10w-50 and the only one available on their website is 15w-50. I should be ok?
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Reply #138 on: April 11, 2021, 06:53:54 am
Hello All,

In regards to oil filters.  I had my bike serviced, the replacement filter has "C4GO" printed on the end.  Not another marking on the filter, certainly not "Royal Enfield".  Anyone else have markings similar? Are the ones sold as genuine not marked Royal Enfield?
A shop down here is selling K&N PS-1004 as a replacement, anyone tried that?

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Reply #139 on: April 11, 2021, 09:56:15 am
Hello All,

In regards to oil filters.  I had my bike serviced, the replacement filter has "C4GO" printed on the end.  Not another marking on the filter, certainly not "Royal Enfield".  Anyone else have markings similar? Are the ones sold as genuine not marked Royal Enfield?
A shop down here is selling K&N PS-1004 as a replacement, anyone tried that?

Cheers,

Pete

The OEM filters all have that yellow 4char marking on the top. No other identifiers.


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Reply #140 on: April 12, 2021, 03:57:33 pm
I am just going to leave this here for those interested. Found it applicable to our conversation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS69owXpGdY

Another channel I follow with good information....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ3L-E-ufYo
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Reply #141 on: April 12, 2021, 04:06:23 pm
I am just going to leave this here for those interested. Found it applicable to our conversation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS69owXpGdY

Another channel I follow with good information....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ3L-E-ufYo


Please don't run oil through those.  ;D


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Reply #142 on: April 14, 2021, 05:31:00 am

A shop down here is selling K&N PS-1004 as a replacement, anyone tried that?

I looked into this in great detail and NO common USA filters are a direct replacement - close but not close enough for me.
Compare the specs for yourself and you decide what you want on your bike

I only did a cursory search worldwide, as I am in Thailand and found the locally made Full Razer RE001 which has far better specs than OEM.  Read the above posts for the data
Not much help to you if you do not live in Thailand or not willing to import a few - then again if you are importing anyway why import supposedly OEM from India with lesser specs or these with better specs??

Do you really believe that Indian aftermarket on-line vendors are selling genuine OEM, first run, QC passed, filters?

Not sure if still the case but K&N at one point where made in Thailand
The Full Razer has the same 17mm nut...........

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Reply #143 on: April 14, 2021, 04:35:23 pm
I know this is too simple a solution but I'll ask again.  Why not just buy the filters from Hitchcocks or one of the Indian vendors?  What am I not understanding about this??


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Reply #144 on: April 14, 2021, 05:56:10 pm
I know this is too simple a solution but I'll ask again.  Why not just buy the filters from Hitchcocks or one of the Indian vendors?  What am I not understanding about this??

Yep- based on this advice I ordered 2 from Texas (Mahle) & 2 from India (RE).  All arrived before the weather allowed me to clock 300 miles.  In fact, the RE filters from India arrived DHL before UPS could deliver from TX. 
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Reply #145 on: April 14, 2021, 05:58:58 pm
I know this is too simple a solution but I'll ask again.  Why not just buy the filters from Hitchcocks or one of the Indian vendors?  What am I not understanding about this??

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Reply #146 on: April 14, 2021, 06:21:34 pm
I know this is too simple a solution but I'll ask again.  Why not just buy the filters from Hitchcocks or one of the Indian vendors?  What am I not understanding about this??

I purchased from multiple locations and to be honest I am confident they will do the job. I do have to give credit where it is due and the eBay order shipped EXTREMELY fast. Either way, I will continue to purchase from WCS... just based on the AWESOME customer service.

I checked all measurements in the exterior and they all match. Who knows what's inside, and at this point... I am no worried about it. From just looking inside with the naked eye the material, color, shape, and construction all look similar.

The only difference I noticed is the stamp and font difference as shown on images below.

FYI - I ordered more than just 1 qty so I should have enough filters for a WHILE!! hahaha

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Reply #147 on: April 14, 2021, 06:58:30 pm
Pardon my mention of this obvious fact. These simple, quite basic issues like oil filters, air filters, and engine oil seem to make many forum members a little nutty so things get diced 6 ways from Sunday, debated unto eternity, amen.   There are now TEN bloody pages in this thread. 

What new kernel of sanctified wisdom are people waiting for here???? AARRRRGGHHHH.  There are plenty of good online sources for the right fitment.   Is it really a big deal that you can't get the right one at the corner auto parts store?



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Reply #148 on: April 14, 2021, 07:08:01 pm
I can see looking for a less expensive alternative to OEM filters IF OEM filters are insanely priced.

My local RE dealer charges a reasonable $13.85 price for an RE oil filter so stupid me just buys them knowing they meet OEM requirements.

If you don't have a dealer locally there are oodles of places to buy RE filters online in the US and on eBay.

Now for you all that are intent in spending $100 for hot rod air filters... ready, get set, go




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Reply #149 on: April 15, 2021, 09:17:23 am
How often do you change oil ? Once a year? You do not only need the filter itself, but also the gasket. And the oil. When you get the filter together with the gaskets cheaper: Do so. But I doubt you will save more than 10% out of the total cost of oil change.
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Reply #150 on: April 16, 2021, 01:34:53 am
I read all 10 pages of this thread and i still dont know where to go get adanged oil filter from.  i looked on ebay, sites in india and just cant find one that matches whats on the bike right now.  does anyone know what the letters stamped on the front mean? the letters on my bike say C4L8.   i have seen C3C9, C2C9, C3B0.. i mean does those numbers matter? or are they just some factory timestamp/production lot number or something.  anyone know?



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Reply #151 on: April 16, 2021, 02:06:23 am
I read all 10 pages of this thread and i still dont know where to go get adanged oil filter from.  i looked on ebay, sites in india and just cant find one that matches whats on the bike right now.  does anyone know what the letters stamped on the front mean? the letters on my bike say C4L8.   i have seen C3C9, C2C9, C3B0.. i mean does those numbers matter? or are they just some factory timestamp/production lot number or something.  anyone know?

If you're in the US then oil filters at the dealer or here...

https://westerncyclesupply.com/650-twin-oil-filter/



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Reply #152 on: April 16, 2021, 02:07:55 am
+1 I pay $13.00 at my local RE dealer and he always has them in stock.


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Reply #153 on: April 16, 2021, 02:10:21 am
Order a couple from Hitchcocks,  they sponsor our forum and are good folks.
They offer the RE item and the Mahle filter, both are fine.

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/Oil-Filter-Set/41446


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Reply #154 on: April 16, 2021, 04:42:28 am
Order a couple from Hitchcocks,  they sponsor our forum and are good folks.
They offer the RE item and the Mahle filter, both are fine.

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/Oil-Filter-Set/41446

As nice as Hitchcock is ordering oil filters from them if you're in the US is just plain stupid... unless you've got more money than sense.

3 Mahle OC1600 (substitute not RE OEM) oil filters shipped to US address = 61.55 GBP (40.5 GBP parts & 21.05 GBP shipping) = $84.70 USD or that's $28.24 EACH filter

3 RE OEM oil filters shipped to US address =  73.52 GBP (52.47 GBP parts &  21.05 GBP shipping)  = $101.16 USD or
that's $33.72 EACH filter

I may be stupid but $13 at an RE dealer even plus shipping seems a much smarter purchase to me.
If Hitchcock ever gets reasonable shipping partners I'll give them all the business I can.

If you don't have a local RE dealer there are dealers in the US happy to ship RE parts.


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Reply #155 on: April 16, 2021, 06:07:10 am
Over here; dealer charges $44NZD for a RE filter - absurd prices. Hence I buy them in bulk from India.




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Reply #156 on: April 16, 2021, 11:40:10 am
What about Hitchkocks Alternativ-Oilfilter from MAHLE-KNECHT ? In Germany it is one of the most popular Oilfilters.It is High Qualyti. ;)
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Reply #157 on: April 16, 2021, 12:44:14 pm
Well in laymens terms the bypass will operate when the filter becomes clogged, l see no reason why this would act any different to any other filter just a safety feature built in, so the pressure is irrelevant.


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Reply #158 on: April 16, 2021, 01:02:56 pm
The  bypass is also active as long as the oil is cold. Or the viscosity is too high.
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Reply #159 on: May 03, 2021, 02:12:52 am
Over here; dealer charges $44NZD for a RE filter - absurd prices. Hence I buy them in bulk from India.

Interesting! A$24.75 at my local dealer in Brisbane.
At that price, not worth buying in bulk for my circumstances, travelling 7~8,000k per year.
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Reply #160 on: May 03, 2021, 05:02:02 am
I read all 10 pages of this thread and i still dont know where to go get adanged oil filter from.  i looked on ebay, sites in india and just cant find one that matches whats on the bike right now.  does anyone know what the letters stamped on the front mean? the letters on my bike say C4L8.   i have seen C3C9, C2C9, C3B0.. i mean does those numbers matter? or are they just some factory timestamp/production lot number or something.  anyone know?

If you are in the US -
https://westerncyclesupply.com/650-twin-oil-filter/

UK Option:
https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/Oil-Filter-Set/41446

Anywhere in the World - EBAY (Seller: royal-sparezo)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133634375162?hash=item1f1d3abdfa:g:ovsAAOSwl7lf~D7y

I have purchased items from all three locations and have had no issues. Just depends on how much you want to pay and how much shipping to your location. Either way, you will get what you need.
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Reply #161 on: May 03, 2021, 05:17:38 am
If you are in the US -
https://westerncyclesupply.com/650-twin-oil-filter/

UK Option:
https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/Oil-Filter-Set/41446

Anywhere in the World - EBAY (Seller: royal-sparezo)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133634375162?hash=item1f1d3abdfa:g:ovsAAOSwl7lf~D7y

I have purchased items from all three locations and have had no issues. Just depends on how much you want to pay and how much shipping to your location. Either way, you will get what you need.

$13.50 at my local RE dealer in the US. I'm sure any RE dealer will be happy to ship.




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Reply #163 on: May 24, 2021, 10:42:35 am
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Reply #164 on: May 25, 2021, 09:18:25 am
Ordered my oil today and now have to get the filter. Thinking of the Mobil 1 M1-104 as posters have noted it fits perfectly. Any yay or nay on that one?

I can confirm to you that Mobil1 filters are very high quality. I use them on all my cars and have for years.

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Reply #165 on: May 25, 2021, 08:59:31 pm
Why not just buy the oem filter?  Even though it is expensive you only need it once a year.  I would expect if you had a warranty claim it is best to be following the recommendations for servicing even if doing it yourself.
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Reply #166 on: May 25, 2021, 09:03:33 pm
Why not just buy the oem filter?  Even though it is expensive you only need it once a year.  I would expect if you had a warranty claim it is best to be following the recommendations for servicing even if doing it yourself.

+1 A couple of bucks once a year is how I see it. I purchased two OEM filters, so I will be set for a good while...

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Reply #167 on: May 25, 2021, 11:34:41 pm
Lordy, it seems about EIGHT pages ago someone suggested the revolutionary idea of just buying a couple of OEM or Mahle filters from one of many online sources..........but maybe that's too obvious a solution. ::)


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Reply #168 on: May 25, 2021, 11:36:48 pm
Lordy, it seems about EIGHT pages ago someone suggested the revolutionary idea of just buying a couple of OEM or Mahle filters from one of many online sources..........but maybe that's too obvious a solution. ::)

Or from where you bought your bike?


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Reply #169 on: May 26, 2021, 12:21:56 am
Lordy, it seems about EIGHT pages ago someone suggested the revolutionary idea of just buying a couple of OEM or Mahle filters from one of many online sources..........but maybe that's too obvious a solution. ::)
There ya go again ... ;)
I just bought a OEM oil filter __ from my dealer! Their shop is about an hour away. I made a route for a nice ride with the dealership along the way. Stopped in, bought the filter, had a cup of coffee and shot the breeze for a couple of minutes. I know, I know some folks think its a part of the biker creed to hate their dealership. I just don't see who, exactly, benefits from that.
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Reply #170 on: May 26, 2021, 12:41:49 am
There are no documented substitute oil filters for the RE650 that are better or less expensive so why the zeal to order oil filters from the other side of the pond or the other side of the world?

Go to where you bought your bike and pay $13.50 for an OEM filter.

No local dealer... one in the next state over will send you one.


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Reply #171 on: May 26, 2021, 12:46:55 am
Oh good, I thought it might have been just me who get the thread
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Reply #172 on: May 26, 2021, 02:40:23 am
If there was a dealer less than a 3 1/2 hour round trip from me I'd gladly buy from them.  For me it makes more sense to order from Western Cycle, EBay, or Hitchcocks. 

I may be wrong but I suspect the average MC dealer parts department would likely not be thrilled to ship an oil filter.  But.....it wouldn't hurt to ask.


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Reply #173 on: May 26, 2021, 03:10:00 am
If there was a dealer less than a 3 1/2 hour round trip from me I'd gladly buy from them.  For me it makes more sense to order from Western Cycle, EBay, or Hitchcocks. 

I may be wrong but I suspect the average MC dealer parts department would likely not be thrilled to ship an oil filter.  But.....it wouldn't hurt to ask.

I've called fay Meyers in Denver and had them send me an oil filter for my MV. Gave them a CC over the phone and they had their money before they shipped. Seemed happy enough to do business.


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Reply #174 on: May 26, 2021, 02:05:05 pm
I've called fay Meyers in Denver and had them send me an oil filter for my MV. Gave them a CC over the phone and they had their money before they shipped. Seemed happy enough to do business.

Good tip, I'll add them to my list of sources.


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Reply #175 on: May 26, 2021, 02:48:09 pm
Good tip, I'll add them to my list of sources.

These days most dealers are happy to send stuff.


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Reply #176 on: May 26, 2021, 03:34:38 pm
These days most dealers are happy to send stuff.
Also you can generate a "pick up" shipping label for FedEx or UPS from your smartphone. 
Both companies have phone apps which let you initiate a pickup and delivery. You don't need a standing account with the shipping company. Just pay the dealer or whom ever for the part over the phone and get their address. FedEX shows up and grabs the package. You pay for the shipping directly via the app.
   While I haven't yet needed them, I have both on my phone for that occasion when I'm on a road trip and I need a part sent to my motel room from the only dealer in 3 states that has that thingy in stock. Near zero effort for the dealer and I can get it overnight before 10AM. Its a comfort.
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Reply #177 on: May 26, 2021, 03:40:58 pm
Also you can generate a "pick up" shipping label for FedEx or UPS from your smartphone. 
Both companies have phone apps which let you initiate a pickup and delivery. You don't need a standing account with the shipping company. Just pay the dealer or whom ever for the part over the phone and get their address. FedEX shows up and grabs the package. You pay for the shipping directly via the app.
   While I haven't yet needed them, I have both on my phone for that occasion when I'm on a road trip and I need a part sent to my motel room from the only dealer in 3 states that has that thingy in stock. Near zero effort for the dealer and I can get it overnight before 10AM. Its a comfort.

Most retailers in any field ship and receive every day. No big thing to put a couple oil filters in a box and add it to the pile for UPS, FedEx, or USPS. The dealer will usually charge you just what it cost them to ship.


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Reply #178 on: June 10, 2021, 02:13:39 pm
Just did an oil change on my 2019 Continental GT. Confirming that Mobil 1 M1-104A is a perfect fit, screws on clean and seal is good. The filter itself is a bit longer than the RE filter.  Haven't ridden extensively since oil change, but no visible leaks or issues when idling. Its 10 bucks at Walmart, can't beat it.
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Reply #179 on: June 18, 2021, 12:34:13 pm
I think you’d be crazy to save a few bucks on a cheap oil filter. Any engine issue you have will then almost certainly not be covered by warranty as you haven’t used the correct parts. Doesn’t matter if you argue it is equivalent you’d need to prove it which would be difficult
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Reply #180 on: June 18, 2021, 03:37:54 pm
Just did an oil change on my 2019 Continental GT. Confirming that Mobil 1 M1-104A is a perfect fit, screws on clean and seal is good. The filter itself is a bit longer than the RE filter.  Haven't ridden extensively since oil change, but no visible leaks or issues when idling. Its 10 bucks at Walmart, can't beat it.

Neither of which determines whether a filter is a CORRECT replacement for the OEM filter and meets the engineering specs.

You risk your engine and your warranty wanting to save a couple bucks.


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Reply #181 on: June 18, 2021, 08:41:30 pm
5 x original RE oil filters shipped from India to Boston. (Ebay RE dealer) Arrived in 4 days. $43.00
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Reply #182 on: June 18, 2021, 09:19:12 pm
5 x original RE oil filters shipped from India to Boston. (Ebay RE dealer) Arrived in 4 days. $43.00

That point has been made multiple times in this thread along with that an RE oil filter at the local US dealer costs $13.50


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Reply #183 on: June 18, 2021, 11:26:58 pm
My local dealer gets $13.00 for an OEm filter and throws in a donut and cup of coffee.  ;D


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Reply #184 on: June 18, 2021, 11:37:01 pm
Hey boys, a lucky 13 pages on oil filters!!!!!  We can do better, do I hear 15, 16? :)


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Reply #185 on: June 19, 2021, 12:11:28 am
Yep!

Out of genuine interest...has anyone tested or confirmed the OEM pressure relief spec & micron level of filtration?

It's factory for sure. . I get the potential warranty implications.  But is it superior or merely adequate?
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Reply #186 on: June 19, 2021, 02:36:55 am
I think you’d be crazy to save a few bucks on a cheap oil filter. Any engine issue you have will then almost certainly not be covered by warranty as you haven’t used the correct parts. Doesn’t matter if you argue it is equivalent you’d need to prove it which would be difficult

Yes sometimes it's easier to just go with the OEM for the sake of reduced warranty hassles. The M1 is a great filter and I've been using them for 16 years on my cars but apart from being over priced I don't know any other disadvantage to the OEM unit.

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Reply #187 on: June 21, 2021, 05:05:49 am
Yep!

Out of genuine interest...has anyone tested or confirmed the OEM pressure relief spec & micron level of filtration?

It's factory for sure. . I get the potential warranty implications.  But is it superior or merely adequate?

I posted the stock data, and that of a superior replacement pages ago, but apparently no one seems to bother with engineering.  I give up....................
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Reply #188 on: June 21, 2021, 12:02:00 pm
I posted the stock data, and that of a superior replacement pages ago, but apparently no one seems to bother with engineering.  I give up....................
You have the OEM pressure relief valve spec? Excellent! Please re-post as I can't find it in this thread. Thanks!


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Reply #189 on: June 21, 2021, 12:33:10 pm
Almost hate to delve into this...gold coast scooters sell RE and they sell KN filter as a direct replacement. If a RE dealer is wiling to sell it you would think that it would be OK. As for cost, an RE filter will cost me 30 bucks and about 45 minutes round trip.  The KN delivered to my door 11.50. as far as warranty, remove the KN sticker and it's just a black oil filter which no mechanic will give a second glance. Much like running 10:40 semi synth which my RE dealer uses, it's on the receipt! If another shop drains it, they won't know if it's 10:40 10:50 Dino or full synth


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Reply #190 on: June 21, 2021, 01:26:06 pm
I posted the stock data, and that of a superior replacement pages ago, but apparently no one seems to bother with engineering.  I give up....................

I spent a long time on filter research years ago so I'm interested in the engineering as thats my background. A few observations. The media area is only important ( within reason) if you're interested in getting the max mileage out of the filter. At the change schedule of the RE I dont see max media are being an issue. The relief valve setting a bit the same unless you live and ride in an extremely cold climate or want to leave the filter on till it clogs. The main 2 areas of importance is what micron level does the filter filter down to and what flow rate does it have.

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Reply #191 on: June 29, 2021, 03:58:16 am
Well. I got my KN PS1004 delivered today. The pictures of the oEM vs this one are quite different. Rang the shop, they assured me they us the KN. hmmm they do look different... any way I'm out of action for2 months after getting my distal bicep tendon reattached so can delve any further.  Bottom line for me.... ahhh cough up and just buy an original. Less hassle in the long run.  Live and learn...


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Reply #192 on: June 29, 2021, 04:10:56 am
Well. I got my KN PS1004 delivered today. The pictures of the oEM vs this one are quite different. Rang the shop, they assured me they us the KN. hmmm they do look different... any way I'm out of action for2 months after getting my distal bicep tendon reattached so can delve any further.  Bottom line for me.... ahhh cough up and just buy an original. Less hassle in the long run.  Live and learn...

At the risk of prolonging this thread and incurring the ire of Jack Straw... which really doesn't matter

Your dealer can assure you from now till the cows come home BUT K&N does not list that as an appropriate oil filter for the RE 650.

Do we change oil so often that the cost of an oil filter is that prohibitive... while we pay $20 a quart for designer synthetic oil?

Smart move getting an RE oil filter.


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Reply #193 on: June 29, 2021, 10:29:17 am
Yeah FireyPete. We do get a bit ripped off for genuine filters here in Aussieland.  Thats why i get the genuine ones from India.

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Reply #194 on: June 29, 2021, 09:19:15 pm
Greetings from Germany! It really is hard to get original RE Oil filters in Germany and even the dealers don't get them quick or cheap. So I started browsing the parts catalog of MANN Filter, which is a trustworthy german filter producer. MANN also provides the operating pressures of the Bypass and anti reverse flow valves.
Among ALL Bike Filters the trigger pressure for the bypass is 1 bar (14,5 psi) and the replacement filter i found is for Cars and triggers at 1,2 bar (17,4). This 20% higher pressure seems to be ok because your regular oil pressure will certainly overcome this bypass in the event of total filter failiure.
The operating Pressure of the anti flow back valve also is the same among all bikes at 1 bar. The replacement filter i found also operates at 1 bar.
The Filter Material inside is the same as for Bikes as far as I could see.
I measured the thread (M20 x 1.5) and the inner/outer diameter of the sealing ring and everything seemed to match.
Today I installed the filter and it fits just fine. The gasket ring even fits the engine casing better then the original because it allows for more gasket surface to get in contact with the engine block.

Filters with matching specs:

MANN M 712/16   ( it is blue )
Febi Bilstein 39838 ( the one I have installed)
MAHLE OC 272

After some longer Rides I will report if there is any fault but fit and quality are better then the original so far.
i would rather trust a well known german Filter Brand than an unbranded black Filter box from RE.

If u cant get these german brands you can of course use "oil filter crossreference" and check the specs from the filters I listed.


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Reply #195 on: June 29, 2021, 10:14:10 pm
Greetings from Germany! It really is hard to get original RE Oil filters in Germany and even the dealers don't get them quick or cheap. So I started browsing the parts catalog of MANN Filter, which is a trustworthy german filter producer. MANN also provides the operating pressures of the Bypass and anti reverse flow valves.
Among ALL Bike Filters the trigger pressure for the bypass is 1 bar (14,5 psi) and the replacement filter i found is for Cars and triggers at 1,2 bar (17,4). This 20% higher pressure seems to be ok because your regular oil pressure will certainly overcome this bypass in the event of total filter failiure.
The operating Pressure of the anti flow back valve also is the same among all bikes at 1 bar. The replacement filter i found also operates at 1 bar.
The Filter Material inside is the same as for Bikes as far as I could see.
I measured the thread (M20 x 1.5) and the inner/outer diameter of the sealing ring and everything seemed to match.
Today I installed the filter and it fits just fine. The gasket ring even fits the engine casing better then the original because it allows for more gasket surface to get in contact with the engine block.

Filters with matching specs:

MANN M 712/16   ( it is blue )
Febi Bilstein 39838 ( the one I have installed)
MAHLE OC 272

After some longer Rides I will report if there is any fault but fit and quality are better then the original so far.
i would rather trust a well known german Filter Brand than an unbranded black Filter box from RE.

If u cant get these german brands you can of course use "oil filter crossreference" and check the specs from the filters I listed.

I'm in Holland  (Niederlande) and ordered 5 original RE oilfilters on Ebay from a seller in India.
About €12 a piece, delivered via airmail within a week, so why use anything else...??
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Reply #196 on: June 30, 2021, 06:46:19 am
Mostly personal preference and shipping time.
just wanted to give some ideas for alternatives.


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Reply #197 on: July 08, 2021, 10:25:31 pm
Can someone kindly spare me the 14 page read of this thread and tell me what and where in the USA is the proper and best oil filter choice?  Need to change up before a 1000 mile run in a few weeks

OR how about that Mahle filter?  what's the number on that one?

Thanks so much
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Reply #198 on: July 09, 2021, 12:59:24 am
Can someone kindly spare
me the 14 page read of this thread and tell me what and where in the USA is the proper and best oil filter choice?
Need to change up before a 1000 mile run in a few weeks

OR how about that Mahle filter?  what's the number on that one?

Thanks so much

Nope, not me. You want the knowledge you spend the time. You gotta earn it. Besides it's like asking "what oil should I use" Impossible to answer, too may opinions and options.
You need to make a personal "informed choice" and to be "personally informed" you need to do the research yourself.

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Reply #199 on: August 02, 2021, 03:47:55 am
Hey Baggone,
SO what filter did you use?  K&N PS1004 is being sold as a replacement by a dealer down here. HP1004 is the same just a higher quality unit (PS is the silver line of filters, general use).  They look different to the originals, but are reported to work.

The Mobil one listed in the forum, if you cross check that it comes up as the KN HP1004.


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Reply #200 on: August 02, 2021, 05:39:22 pm
I didn't read all 14 pages. I can tell you my local RE dealer stocks the OEM filter and it was a reasonable $15.59 with sales tax. I'll probably only change the oil 1 time a year so not a big deal.

10w60 Synthetic oil on the other hand at $16/quart is pricey

Can someone kindly spare me the 14 page read of this thread and tell me what and where in the USA is the proper and best oil filter choice?  Need to change up before a 1000 mile run in a few weeks

OR how about that Mahle filter?  what's the number on that one?

Thanks so much


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Reply #201 on: August 02, 2021, 06:26:19 pm
I didn't read all 14 pages. I can tell you my local RE dealer stocks the OEM filter and it was a reasonable $15.59 with sales tax. I'll probably only change the oil 1 time a year so not a big deal.

10w60 Synthetic oil on the other hand at $16/quart is pricey

Castrol Synthetic Power RS 4T 10W-50 API SL Jaso MA-2 $52.95 for 6 quarts with free shipping

https://www.amazon.com/Castrol-10W-50-Synthetic-Motorcycle-Bottle/dp/B008MISF54/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwr56IBhAvEiwA1fuqGr082EnJjiIjlZeFLUTUqRbD8-LuTQmVFHF7cYiIer5dWyzzwK9FrBoC3TYQAvD_BwE&hvadid=177554256378&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9030460&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=3100899392156539852&hvtargid=kwd-16103165012&hydadcr=6402_9585570&keywords=castrol+10w50+motorcycle+oil&qid=1627915057&sr=8-5



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Reply #202 on: April 06, 2022, 05:27:52 pm
I am now in receipt of test data comparing pressure drop of a stock genuine RE 575139/F VS the Full RE-001 filter per JIS D1611 using SAE 30 oil at 75C
At max rated flow of 30 L/min the Full brand filter is 23 kPa while the RE is 26 kPa

While the OEM filter can is a lot larger, the filter media area for the Full is .084 sq m while the OEM is 0.77 sq m

In summation, the Full RE-001 has a larger 20 micron filter area, and lower pressure drop, with identical gasket, by-pass, and drain back specs compared to OEM.   Having a 17mm nut on the bottom is of value to some

I had never heard of Full and even though I live in Thailand, I assumed that they are just another local crappy copycat brand.  Seemingly now so, and a huge manufacturer, a sub-contractor to OEM and other known brands, with a decent quality product that is equal or better than RE-OEM

Highly underrated comment. The first hard data I've seen regarding filter specs, outside of reading a spec sheet.

20-30 micron seems to be the standard within filters. Any reason/data to support that the Royal Enfield OEM filter is above or below this?

Thanks for your test data!


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Reply #203 on: April 07, 2022, 01:24:51 am
Not sure if this has been posted but these are being called out as replacements:

https://www.britishlegends.fr/en/oil-filter-royal-enfield.html

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/Oil-Filter-Set/41446

Also HIFLO FILTRO HF204 Black Premium Oil Filter is being called out for our 650s and Triumphs.



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Reply #204 on: April 08, 2022, 03:56:29 pm
Can confirm the M1-104a fits. The gasket is very, very close in diameter, and the thread is correct. It's a bit longer, so it was making contact with the TEC sump guard that was on the bike when I bought it. I've been wanting to take that off anyways.


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Reply #205 on: August 28, 2022, 05:15:01 am
Can someone kindly spare me the 14 page read of this thread and tell me what and where in the USA is the proper and best oil filter choice?  Need to change up before a 1000 mile run in a few weeks

OR how about that Mahle filter?  what's the number on that one?

Thanks so much

Here is a list of all the oil filter that would fit
KN - HP1004
AC Delco - PF1127
AC Delco - PF1230
AC Delco - PFH1014
AC Delco - PFR3004
CHAMP LABS - PH2808
FRAM - PH2871
FRAM - PH3593A
FRAM - PH3917
FRAM - PH4870
FRAM - PH6811
HYUNDAI - 2630035503
KIA - 2630035503
MITSUBISHI - MZ690116
MOBILE ONE - M1104
MOTORCRAFT - AFL27A
MOTORCRAFT - FL799
MOTORCRAFT - FL810
ONAN - 1220833
PUROLATOR - L14459
PUROLATOR - L24458
ROYAL PURPLE - 102808
SCOIN - SU00300311
SUBARU - 15208AA031
SUBARU - 1208AA130
WIX - 51334
WIX - 51568


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Reply #206 on: August 28, 2022, 03:49:17 pm
Here is a list of all the oil filter that would fit
KN - HP1004
AC Delco - PF1127
AC Delco - PF1230
AC Delco - PFH1014
AC Delco - PFR3004
CHAMP LABS - PH2808
FRAM - PH2871
FRAM - PH3593A
FRAM - PH3917
FRAM - PH4870
FRAM - PH6811
HYUNDAI - 2630035503
KIA - 2630035503
MITSUBISHI - MZ690116
MOBILE ONE - M1104
MOTORCRAFT - AFL27A
MOTORCRAFT - FL799
MOTORCRAFT - FL810
ONAN - 1220833
PUROLATOR - L14459
PUROLATOR - L24458
ROYAL PURPLE - 102808
SCOIN - SU00300311
SUBARU - 15208AA031
SUBARU - 1208AA130
WIX - 51334
WIX - 51568
Dont forget about Mahle they do a filter too


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Reply #207 on: September 17, 2022, 01:24:31 pm
Can confirm the M1-104a fits. The gasket is very, very close in diameter, and the thread is correct. It's a bit longer, so it was making contact with the TEC sump guard that was on the bike when I bought it. I've been wanting to take that off anyways.

I ordered this one on Amazon. Amazon fit check says it won't fit, but I'm trusting you! No sump guard on my bike so it should be ok


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Reply #208 on: September 28, 2022, 03:50:41 am
I ordered this one on Amazon. Amazon fit check says it won't fit, but I'm trusting you! No sump guard on my bike so it should be ok
I'm on my second one.


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Reply #210 on: October 19, 2022, 06:22:03 pm
OEM aside, I have always picked Wix brand filters when able. You can look all over the web for filter-maniacs cutting these things up and analyzing them, usually Fram comes off as pretty bad and Wix wins the contest.
YMMV


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Reply #211 on: November 22, 2022, 09:47:55 am
Hello !
For the Continental Europe owners  (not the bike, the location  :P) You can currently use those cars oil filter :
Bosch 3300
Mahle OC458
Purflux LS867B
The most expensive for non-professional customers  is the Purflux (12.48 €) The Bosch and the Mahle are around 6-8 €
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Reply #212 on: November 30, 2022, 08:16:20 pm
I'm was thinking of getting the Mahle unless someone convinces me that I shouldn't...

I'll try for oem first but it tends to be more of a faff than should be necessary.

https://www.louis.ie/en/champion-oil-filter-oem-quality-100506?filter_article_number=10050864
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Reply #213 on: December 01, 2022, 10:53:06 am
There is a guy on YouTube “lost together forever” is using a mobile 1 filter.
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Reply #214 on: December 01, 2022, 11:03:30 am
There is a guy on YouTube “lost together forever” is using a mobile 1 filter.

Mobil1 filters are very good quality. I use them on all my cars.

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Reply #215 on: December 01, 2022, 05:32:53 pm
Mobil1 filters are very good quality. I use them on all my cars.

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In the video he said it wasn’t a perfect fit but all the important bits match
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Reply #216 on: December 03, 2022, 09:19:03 am
I'm was thinking of getting the Mahle unless someone convinces me that I shouldn't...

I for one will not. The OEM is Mahle OC458 with another product number that is only available in India (OC1600). I suggest using the OC458 specification for cross-referencing. Brand name is no indication of quality since most brands seem to be sourcing rather than manufacuring. Bosch is an exception that I know of along with Mahle. Even Fram sells some excellent filters with quality second to none, along with some really cheap solutions. You basically have to open them up to know, and even then most people have no idea what matters and resorts to "it looks well-made". The OC458 is made for a FIAT/Alfa Romeo car engine and will be more than adequate, filter-wise. The only part of the filter that is crucial to motor longevity is the bypass valve.

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Reply #217 on: December 03, 2022, 09:49:09 am
Why would you use other brands, as original RE oil filters are fairly inexpensive available from sellers in India at Ebay.com...???
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Reply #218 on: December 03, 2022, 11:44:14 am
I for one will not. The OEM is Mahle OC458 with another product number that is only available in India (OC1600). I suggest using the OC458 specification for cross-referencing. Brand name is no indication of quality since most brands seem to be sourcing rather than manufacuring. Bosch is an exception that I know of along with Mahle. Even Fram sells some excellent filters with quality second to none, along with some really cheap solutions. You basically have to open them up to know, and even then most people have no idea what matters and resorts to "it looks well-made". The OC458 is made for a FIAT/Alfa Romeo car engine and will be more than adequate, filter-wise. The only part of the filter that is crucial to motor longevity is the bypass valve.

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True but although many filters are made by the same manufacturing company, Champion made filters for instance they aren't all made to the same spec level. It's like any specialist manufacturer. So although Champion make filters for many brands the brands that specify better materials and design get just that compared to brands that specify filters at a lower spec/price point. Just like Brembo brakes and Ohlins suspension. You don't get the good high spec Ohlins suspension when it comes as standard equipment on a bike, not by a long shot. Similar thing with filters, you tend to get what you pay for to an extent. Not guaranteed of course but generally with a filter.

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Reply #219 on: December 03, 2022, 12:37:28 pm
Quote from: lucky phil
True but although many filters are made by the same manufacturing company, Champion made filters for instance they aren't all made to the same spec level. It's like any specialist manufacturer.

It’s late in the thread and guess we agree on most things. I just noticed a general anxiety among bikers about oil filters (of all things). My bog standard Kia diesel strains its filter (pun not intended) an order of magnitude more than any bike and still the filters are cheap for their size, lasting at least 20000 miles, at which point the oil is very contaminated but still filters. Modern cars has pushed filter technology to a point where it is unnecessarily good for bikes.

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Reply #220 on: December 03, 2022, 06:02:39 pm
On mature reflection,  I opted for oem. Pricey though!


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On mature reflection,  ....
I need to write that down ...
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Reply #222 on: December 03, 2022, 07:04:58 pm
On mature reflection,  I opted for oem. Pricey though!
Royal Enfield filter $26 from eBay. Generic Fram or K&N on Amazon $6-$9.
None are outrageously priced…
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Reply #223 on: December 03, 2022, 08:44:22 pm
Royal Enfield filter $26 from eBay. Generic Fram or K&N on Amazon $6-$9.
None are outrageously priced…

Not so much about the cost Jess but the quality. Some filters out there are the equivalent of a mesh screen on the intake compared to a paper air filter. Their micron rating is pretty poor as is the materials used in their construction. As an aside I was at the Ford dealer a few years ago and asked the parts guy for a filter for my RS. He came out with a bare unpackaged filter and slapped it on the bench. I asked him where the packaging was and he told me that's the way they come. I told him to take it away, I'm not buying an unpackaged filter. He was a bit taken aback and didn't understand and I couldn't be bothered explaining it to him. I understand they buy them in bulk as a Ford part but unless the customer knows exactly how they are stored and protected it's a risk not worth taking. He was never going to get it.

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Reply #224 on: December 03, 2022, 09:14:17 pm
  I see no problem with the $3.50 ACDelco PF57 that I have been using. Oil filters are no longer a concern for me as I have enough of them for the life of my bike... or me.


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Reply #225 on: December 03, 2022, 09:17:46 pm
Royal Enfield filter $26 from eBay. Generic Fram or K&N on Amazon $6-$9.
None are outrageously priced…
Yeah, it's not the price in absolute  terms... more the differential that gives pause. Seems like gouging.




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Reply #227 on: December 03, 2022, 09:40:10 pm
Not so much about the cost Jess but the quality. Some filters out there are the equivalent of a mesh screen on the intake compared to a paper air filter. Their micron rating is pretty poor as is the materials used in their construction. As an aside I was at the Ford dealer a few years ago and asked the parts guy for a filter for my RS. He came out with a bare unpackaged filter and slapped it on the bench. I asked him where the packaging was and he told me that's the way they come. I told him to take it away, I'm not buying an unpackaged filter. He was a bit taken aback and didn't understand and I couldn't be bothered explaining it to him. I understand they buy them in bulk as a Ford part but unless the customer knows exactly how they are stored and protected it's a risk not worth taking. He was never going to get it.

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I’m certainly no expert, but I’ve always heard good things about both K&N and Fram.
 You guys down in the southern hemisphere seem to have  different brands, so maybe these are unfamiliar.
 The Royal Enfield is considerably more expensive though.
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Reply #228 on: December 03, 2022, 09:46:07 pm

 The Royal Enfield is considerably more expensive though.

Come on Jeff, $11 aint expensive..??
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Reply #229 on: December 03, 2022, 10:04:35 pm
Come on Jeff, $11 aint expensive..??
You are right, $11 is a venti latte & cheese danish at Starbucks.
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Reply #230 on: December 03, 2022, 10:42:13 pm
  I see no problem with the $3.50 ACDelco PF57 that I have been using. Oil filters are no longer a concern for me as I have enough of them for the life of my bike... or me.

Looks like you don't have a choice but to like them.

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Reply #231 on: December 04, 2022, 04:29:39 am
Royal Enfield filter $26 from eBay. Generic Fram or K&N on Amazon $6-$9.
None are outrageously priced…

13.99USD at my dealership for RE oil filter and it comes with a new crush washer for the drain plug. I’m curious about this mobile 1 filter because a the moment there seems to be some issues with the RENA parts distribution and these filters being in stock at the dealerships. I ordered 1 from my dealer 2 weeks ago and it still hasn’t come in…. I suspect they are having to build it from scratch (including mining and smelting the ore and growing the tree to make the paper for the filter media)
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Reply #232 on: December 04, 2022, 03:07:38 pm
Price is not a good indicator of quality in this case. It is apparent that RE is trying to put up as many price fences they can between domestic and export markets. For the bikes this is working, but for service items there is parallell export, making prices more on par with the domestic market (+ freight and other surcharges) *if* you are willing to buy from non-authorised channels. For filters in North America there is AC Delco, Fram, Wix, K&N  and others, and in Europe there is Mahle, Mann, Bosch und so weiter ad nauseam. Quality is not an issue from these reputed manufacturers and there is no need to pay more than 7 USD or EUR a piece. The important thing is to get one that fits, which is a generic filter for various cars from the FIAT group. Just a bog standard filter  appropriately designed for a motor that is at least twice as large with longer service intervals than the RE.

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Reply #233 on: December 04, 2022, 03:42:54 pm
Price is not a good indicator of quality in this case. It is apparent that RE is trying to put up as many price fences they can between domestic and export markets. For the bikes this is working, but for service items there is parallell export, making prices more on par with the domestic market (+ freight and other surcharges) *if* you are willing to buy from non-authorised channels. For filters in North America there is AC Delco, Fram, Wix, K&N  and others, and in Europe there is Mahle, Mann, Bosch und so weiter ad nauseam. Quality is not an issue from these reputed manufacturers and there is no need to pay more than 7 USD or EUR a piece. The important thing is to get one that fits, which is a generic filter for various cars from the FIAT group. Just a bog standard filter  appropriately designed for a motor that is at least twice as large with longer service intervals than the RE.

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Go ahead and buy any filter that fits.
To me, the opening pressure of the bypass valve inside is, next to good fitment, the most important feature of the filter.
With original RE filters, I know it's correct.
Won't buy anything else, and at  $11 once a year, who cares..??
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Reply #234 on: December 04, 2022, 06:15:32 pm
Let’s just put a sticky up this endless debate every few months is dull.  You are either in the use the offical item or an official sanctioned one at least until the 3 year warranty is up or you are in I can make one fit for $2.99. All y’all know which camp you are in.
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Reply #235 on: December 04, 2022, 09:27:05 pm
Go ahead and buy any filter that fits.
To me, the opening pressure of the bypass valve inside is, next to good fitment, the most important feature of the filter.
With original RE filters, I know it's correct.
Won't buy anything else, and at  $11 once a year, who cares..??


So where do you find the crack pressure for the bypass valve on the oem filter vs any other filter? Because sometimes getting parts at the dealer is semi impossible.
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Reply #236 on: December 04, 2022, 11:00:53 pm
Personally I wouldn't trust an $11 part from eBay - can't even guarantee its an original RE filter - at least not whilst there is a warranty at stake.  There are even fake spark plugs out there.


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Reply #237 on: December 05, 2022, 02:36:39 am
I believe that there are maybe 10 spin-on oil filters that would work fine on any spin-on type oil filter application ever made on this planet. The brand may vary, or perhaps the length, but except of possible clearance problems, there is no need for flooding the market with different serial numbers of what is basically the same filter.  The more I think about it, it might be less than 10. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Reply #238 on: December 05, 2022, 03:59:47 am
you're wrong.  In 1965 you would have bbeen correct.


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I believe that there are maybe 10 spin-on oil filters that would work fine on any spin-on type oil filter application ever made on this planet. The brand may vary, or perhaps the length, but except of possible clearance problems, there is no need for flooding the market with different serial numbers of what is basically the same filter.  The more I think about it, it might be less than 10. Correct me if I am wrong.


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Reply #239 on: December 05, 2022, 11:18:31 am
You are right, $11 is a venti latte & cheese danish at Starbucks.
It's a cappuccino and cake at Costa coffee.
Do they have Costa coffee in the USA.?
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Reply #240 on: December 05, 2022, 01:24:57 pm
you're wrong.  In 1965 you would have bbeen correct.


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Would you care to elaborate? On the other hand, maybe I should know better than to ask.

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Reply #241 on: December 05, 2022, 01:48:34 pm
It's a cappuccino and cake at Costa coffee.
Do they have Costa coffee in the USA.?
I’ve never seen one, but it’s a really big country.
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Reply #242 on: December 05, 2022, 04:00:15 pm
I’ve never seen one, but it’s a really big country.

I find it comforting that you discuss the price of coffee and pastry rather than those of oil filters. At this point, it seems to be the right thing to do. BTW, Costa is very British. It is now owned by Coca-Cola who does not seem to push any of its coffee brands on the domestic (US) market.

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Reply #243 on: December 05, 2022, 04:42:45 pm
Seventeen pages on oil filters. WOW.  (and counting)
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Reply #244 on: December 05, 2022, 04:47:34 pm
and this is only one of maybe 17 separate threads on oil filters!

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Reply #245 on: December 05, 2022, 04:54:42 pm
Seventeen pages on oil filters. WOW.  (and counting)
You could always filter it out.


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Reply #246 on: December 05, 2022, 07:32:57 pm
You could always filter it out.

Hehe. Hence why we are now more concerned with intercontinental price differences in coffee.

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Reply #247 on: December 05, 2022, 10:27:34 pm
Hehe. Hence why we are now more concerned with intercontinental price differences in coffee.

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Reply #248 on: December 06, 2022, 10:07:00 pm
The above . . . :   For good reason, IMHO.
Since this thread is properly ending about coffee, as all filter threads should end with ...  I have visited the pictured riverside cafe on my 'cafe racers a hundred times, often to purchase some oil filters at a bike shop.  So weird that the subject of bike filters (this is a popular biker stop) often came up.  Mobile 1  and Wix are the most experimented with by far.  I'm a Wix fan for auto's, Mob'1 too.  Not sure if it was the coffee talking, but cafe biker types talk fast about oil & aftermarket filters.   

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