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Reply #31 on: December 03, 2021, 03:30:50 am
I cant believe the amount of choices or the span of prices available.
 China has our number on autodial.
 We are spoiled for choice and the price is right.
 Its amazing.  How will we ever kick this China habit?
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Reply #32 on: December 03, 2021, 03:54:24 am
There is available a complete Zongshen 212cc 5 speed horizontal single engine for about $1100, I think it makes about 16-18 HP. It essentially bolts into any Passport/Super Cub/trail 90 frame. What a terrific "mini Aermacchi Ala Azzurra" could be made from one. A sub-200 pound 80 MPH sportbike, obviously using appropriate wheels, brakes & fork.

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Reply #33 on: December 03, 2021, 10:18:55 pm
This is interesting, an adult sized ultralight trail bike. 21" wheels front & rear, 125cc 4 speed, 190 pounds all up weight, disc brakes, lots of travel & ground clearance. A 5 speed 190cc Zongshen in one of these and you'd have quite a dirt-worthy package. The FXR comes with basic lighting, turn signals, maybe even licensable in Texas or Arizona.

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Reply #34 on: December 09, 2021, 05:21:26 am
I didn't see any mention it, so perhaps nobody realizes, the Navi was launched in India in 2016, sold for several years there, then discontinued.  Sales had been unspectacular, and it was not updated to meet BS6 standards, although the Activa scooter, its parent machine, was brought forward.
https://www.autocarindia.com/bike-news/honda-to-discontinue-the-navi-and-cliq-by-april-2020-415629

In that light, this seems a bit less like a "new product introduction", and more like what Britain did with their Martini Henrys, when they started arming English boys with the new Lee Metfords, that is, send them off to less developed parts of the word.

I guess there's still plenty of room for freshly cast carburetors in the new world.  And the Navi is cheap, cheaper than any other Honda internal combustion powered scooter or motorcycle that I know of.   Although, to put this in perspective, those that were able to find buyers in India were selling for the equivalent of $700.
https://www.rushlane.com/2022-honda-navi-110cc-launched-in-the-us-12417783.html


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Reply #35 on: December 09, 2021, 02:06:17 pm
I think Honda is just trying (desperately) to get urban U.S. young people back onto two wheels and away from their cell phones and computers by making the Navi as cheap and as easy to ride as possible. Plus, it gets rid of the bikes that have backed up in their warehouse due to low sales elsewhere.  ;)
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Reply #36 on: December 09, 2021, 05:52:08 pm
I think Honda is just trying (desperately) to get urban U.S. young people back onto two wheels and away from their cell phones and computers by making the Navi as cheap and as easy to ride as possible. Plus, it gets rid of the bikes that have backed up in their warehouse due to low sales elsewhere.
Since the "new" Navi is being offered to the US in the same "old" colors it was wearing in India at the end of it's run there a few years ago, I'm inclined to suspect it's mainly your last suggestion motivating their move.

I see a machine that has all the drawbacks of a scooter, (small wheels, poor suspension, CVT slow accelleration), but none of the advantages ( weather protection afforded by floor & guards affixed to the underbone, easy step through seating, lots of storage space)

Still, it's interesting to see how the original concept evolved.  This article from the time of the ACTUAL introduction talks about Off-road and Adventure variants, and mentions a $585 price tag.  https://www.autoevolution.com/news/honda-reveals-fun-packed-navi-scooter-looking-like-grom-s-smaller-brother-104324.html

I wonder what happened to the other variants?   I read that US sales of Dual Purpose bikes went up by 47% in 2020, and Off-Road were up 45%, while Scooter sales increased by only 14%.  https://www.motorbiscuit.com/us-motorcycle-sales-never-hotter-last-20-years/
It seems like the smart move would have been to dust off the off-road capable designs, and ship a few containers of those over from India.