[AzCal Retred]

@ #732: I guess we need to let Jair Bolsonaro know you're coming - get that Portugese/German app on your phone now! 
After you get Brazilian citizenship, maybe run for that "President" job. Jair will probably be done by then. You may need to get an actual "Brazilian" to run, though...

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-12-02/germany-locks-down-the-unvaccinated-weighs-vaccine-mandate
Germany Locks Down the Unvaccinated, Weighs Vaccine Mandate

[Arschloch]

I have ro disappoint you, after a decade amongs swedish rats, there is nothing that could disappoint me.

Waiting for the retard with the taurus, and than i happily take the bullet. 

[AzCal Retred]

Seeing as how you are ready & willing to shuffle off, why not volunteer to be a "control" for C19 Omicron? If nothing happens, you're home free. If you end up on a respirator in a coma, valuable data on mortality has been generated. My money is that if you come off the respirator successfully, I'm fairly certain you won't be saying "I'd have rather died than gotten the jab." You will be exposed, somewhere, somehow, so better to take a hit knowingly & be monitored that hope someone finds you in your apartment before you suffocate in your own lung juices. Better a proven $50 vaccine with a very high probability of zero hospital time than a $700 miracle drug (Remdesivir (Veklury)) regimen in the hospital.

What treatments are available for COVID-19?
The FDA has approved the antiviral drug Veklury (remdesivir) for adults and certain pediatric patients with COVID-19 who are sick enough to need hospitalization. Veklury should only be administered in a hospital or in a health care setting capable of providing acute care comparable to inpatient hospital care.

During public health emergencies, the FDA may authorize the use of unapproved drugs or unapproved uses of approved drugs under certain conditions. This is called an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)External Link Disclaimer. Therapeutic products authorized under an EUA are listed on the FDA’s EUA page.

For example, the FDA has issued EUAs for several monoclonal antibody treatments for COVID-19 for the treatment of mild or moderate COVID-19 in adults and pediatric patients (ages 12 and older weighing at least 40 kilograms, about 88 pounds) with positive results of direct SARS-CoV-2 viral testing, and who are at high risk for progressing to severe COVID-19 and/or hospitalization. One EUA for a monoclonal antibody product includes use for preventative (prophylaxis) treatment after being exposed to SARS-CoV-2. This product is not a substitute for vaccination against COVID-19.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/know-your-treatment-options-covid-19

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2007764

[Arschloch]

...well than you need a booster for the omicron. Actually i don't care if i die in 5 minutes from now, i have zero intentions to send a cent of my hard earned money to Gates and his fantastic generation. 

https://youtu.be/72e-p3wn6WE

[Hoiho]

Seeing as how you are ready & willing to shuffle off, why not volunteer to be a "control" for C19 Omicron? If nothing happens, you're home free. If you end up on a respirator in a coma, valuable data on mortality has been generated. My money is that if you come off the respirator successfully, I'm fairly certain you won't be saying "I'd have rather died than gotten the jab." You will be exposed, somewhere, somehow, so better to take a hit knowingly & be monitored that hope someone finds you in your apartment before you suffocate in your own lung juices. Better a proven $50 vaccine with a very high probability of zero hospital time than a $700 miracle drug (Remdesivir (Veklury)) regimen in the hospital.

What treatments are available for COVID-19?
The FDA has approved the antiviral drug Veklury (remdesivir) for adults and certain pediatric patients with COVID-19 who are sick enough to need hospitalization. Veklury should only be administered in a hospital or in a health care setting capable of providing acute care comparable to inpatient hospital care.

During public health emergencies, the FDA may authorize the use of unapproved drugs or unapproved uses of approved drugs under certain conditions. This is called an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)External Link Disclaimer. Therapeutic products authorized under an EUA are listed on the FDA’s EUA page.

For example, the FDA has issued EUAs for several monoclonal antibody treatments for COVID-19 for the treatment of mild or moderate COVID-19 in adults and pediatric patients (ages 12 and older weighing at least 40 kilograms, about 88 pounds) with positive results of direct SARS-CoV-2 viral testing, and who are at high risk for progressing to severe COVID-19 and/or hospitalization. One EUA for a monoclonal antibody product includes use for preventative (prophylaxis) treatment after being exposed to SARS-CoV-2. This product is not a substitute for vaccination against COVID-19.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/know-your-treatment-options-covid-19

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2007764

My niece is an ED specialist and says if anti-vaxxers are paranoid about the vaccine; wait until they end up in ICU on a respirator - the amount of poisons they pump into a seriously ill patient to keep them alive would blow their narrow minds.

[Karl Childers]

This is confidence inspiring.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/

[AzCal Retred]

Another point of view.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/11/19/fda-2076-vaccine-data/

[Karl Childers]

As much as Snopes has a fairly good track record it ain't over until the fat lady sings, worth keeping an eye on as to the outcome.

[AzCal Retred]

My money is on Putin in the Ukraine and Taiwan "reunified" with the PRC by March whilst the "free" world stands by, indulging in an orgy of self immolation driven by social media "patriots" & complicit GOP/Right Wing Vichy leadership. That's the important outcome to avoid. If the vaccine is actually a trojan horse, anyone associated with Big Pharma won't be able to step outside their compound again without springing a leak; this is Amurrika where virtually everyone has a deer rifle & long memory. Biden went out of his way to say no more lockdowns to avoid personally initiating CWII, in the face of the viral-spread countermeasures being taken by our offshore allies. The evening news is now describing Chinese hypersonic ship killing weaponry (poorly), there are geopolitical maps on the news showing Russian armour & troops surrounding the Ukraine, and another long article about how much explosives & ordinance the Army & other services have "lost track" of, apparently redirected to Alt-Reich groups. Meanwhile the entire GOP leadership is still lip-synching for the Trump Qanon crowd, still whinging about stolen elections, still banging on about removing college level classes from grade schools that don't exist and being supported by wide eyed, very vocal Qanon fed parents. We have weekly mass shootings by nut cases raised on "First Person Shooter" games and conspiracy websites. The capacity for the USA to rub two coherent thoughts together for our collective survival doesn't look too encouraging to me. Whatever come next will be really ugly, really stupid & utterly avoidable.

I don't think that worrying about possible adverse vaccine side effects in a country as litigious & well armed as the USA compares in urgency; that horse has left the barn. Our main concern needs to be making rational choices & presenting a unified front to the foreign agencies deliberately sowing dissent. Broken can be mended. Managing a process takes rational thought & hard work. The only folks benefitting by letting things burn to the ground are scrap dealers & insurance fraudsters.

[Arschloch]

There is nothing left to repair, may as well polish Putins Zil. Who releases such horses on the public has lost any credibility whatsoever. Waiting for the retard with the gun that comes to enforce the vaxx mandates.

[GlennF]

My niece is an ED specialist and says if anti-vaxxers are paranoid about the vaccine; wait until they end up in ICU on a respirator - the amount of poisons they pump into a seriously ill patient to keep them alive would blow their narrow minds.

My flatmate in an anti-vaxer, she is quite happy to take horse medicine, weird concoctions of apple cider vinegar and strange home made herbal remedies some idiot on the internet came up with over a few  beers one weekend, also some weird brew she lets ferment in a jar in the shed that looks like swamp water and has even considered bleach, however she refuses to go near any vaccine as she is convinced vaccines are "untested" and have killed hundreds of millions of people world wide and it is all being covered up by the government or aliens or lizard people or something.

Personally I wish covid were more virulent but the vaccine was was 100% effective as it would kill off the anti vaxer population while leaving the rest of us just fine - and hence substantially improve the human gene pool overnight.

[Karl Childers]

Personally I wish covid were more virulent but the vaccine was was 100% effective as it would kill off the anti vaxer population while leaving the rest of us just fine - and hence substantially improve the human gene pool overnight.

I see that sentiment more and more, that sounds like a very Murican solution to me, why not just get guns and start blowing these pesky anti vaxxers away, it'd be a more pro active solution than waiting on Darwin to do it for you. Flip side is the therory that the treatment (it's not a vaccine) is promoting the mutations so maybe the anti vaxxers can arm themselves as well and we can have a pandemic civil war as we all know as human beings that bloodshed solves everything. Seriously, isn't that a hard line to take?

The fear and the division we are facing from the pandemic is ramping up more everyday, I found what I consider a good discussion by rational minds on the subject, maybe we can hold off on wholesale murder for a while longer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_uAwsVn10Y

[AzCal Retred]

Is there really some compelling reason to re-enact "The Handmaids Tale" in real time? Masks & distancing demonstrably work, but not if sporadically applied. The same goes for vaccines therapies. These are just tools. Used properly they reduce & can possibly halt spread. Unused you are simply saying "Live or die because of your genetics, bro." If we could have a sane, upfront conversation regarding that outcome I think it's possible folks might get on board, but we haven't.

There is a cost to doing nothing. When the hospitals crash there is collateral damage to both the vulnerable infected and the "normal" patients from denial of services. My "Do Nothing" plan was to cut a check for maybe $200K to every Covid related or "service denial" related death victim, it'd have been cheaper than what we've done so far. 200K is several years pay to the average wage earner. Debt would be reduced, college becomes a possibility, maybe paying off/acquiring a home, a crappy but better outcome than just piles of bodies outside hospitals. But somehow I don't really believe people would have gone for that plan.

What we are actually doing is voluntarily turning a public health issue into a rallying meme for the alt-right, largely driven by social media to the exclusive benefit of China & Russia. That's verifiable. There's no reason to believe C19 is a hoax other than it gives you a rational to believe you are being persecuted. The Cyber Armies of these two countries need you to believe that. The evening news tells you it's nearly 1938 all over again, for the same "Acquisition of resources" reasons. As Franklin said - "Hang together or hang separately".

[AzCal Retred]

@ # 744: Spiro T. Agnews statement "Nattering nabobs of nihilistic negativism" comes to mind...
" There is nothing left to repair, may as well polish Putins Zil. Who releases such horses on the public has lost any credibility whatsoever. Waiting for the retard with the gun that comes to enforce the vaxx mandates. "

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Nabobs_natter_about_the_passing_of_William_Safire_1929-2009.html

[Arschloch]

https://youtu.be/XkOdMRUQkN8

Sweden and California meeting. I'm all for it, we just have to make the Californians and Sweds pay for it. Blood, sweat and tears for the pigs. 

Surprisingly there was not even knife waving on the part of our environmental hero.

Im exactly interested in this sort of women.