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Reply #75 on: October 17, 2021, 08:23:47 pm
 Quote: "There's no market for a brand new artifact, otherwise we'd still be running Pre-Unit Bullets."
 Wasn't the demise caused by emissions restrictions? The fact is, you could not market an antique now if you wanted to, regardless of demand even in Europe .
 
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Reply #76 on: October 17, 2021, 10:31:29 pm
Parasitic losses on any activity are too large. Everything is an artifact for the FFF crowd, because in the future everything will be better, whatever they consider better since they are above the market, science and law anyway. The more jobs we have that pay a sh#it the "better" and more exciting  it's going to get, that's for sure.
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Reply #77 on: October 17, 2021, 11:30:46 pm
@ #75: Emissions are met by having parts that work well over a given time frame. An IB Bullet with a modern high silicon low expansion piston, good steel rings and valve stem seals can provide all the mechanical combustion sealing technology you need for emissions compliance. The CSC folks are still using carburetors on their newest SC250's & TT250's, machines that make about the same HP as an IB Bullet. The Bullet is a low compression motor, so NOx isn't that big a factor. Spark timing was crank-triggered on the Electra, eliminating the distributor drive gear slop, if it was even a problem. You could indeed market an "antique", but you sure couldn't sell one to the prevailing crop of buyers. All the maintenance hassles you've enumerated and the 50 years behind the times performance level for displacement would squelch the deal. An "antique" is also labor-intensive to produce, with it's myriad of hand fitted items, so an EPA-compliant Bullet would likely cost more than a modern, "clean-sheet" design that would leave it for dead in about every category, especially regarding owner maintenance.
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Reply #78 on: October 18, 2021, 02:11:49 am
Don't forget Triumph's idea of hiding their fuel injectors behind fake carburetor shells on their first injected Bonnevilles. I thought that was pretty creative.
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Reply #79 on: October 18, 2021, 02:45:45 am
A few hand crafted BSA V-Twins from builder Doug Fraser of Melbourne, Australia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GTCEiBOsu4

https://thekneeslider.com/bsa-b66-v-twin-by-doug-fraser/
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Reply #80 on: October 18, 2021, 02:59:28 am
and the 50 years behind the times performance level for displacement would squelch the deal

They could steal an idea from the IT crowd and advertise them with an "equivalent displacement" rather than the real one. SO ... instead of a 500 bullet it would be marketed as a "250 equivalent" Bullet.  :D


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Reply #81 on: October 18, 2021, 01:44:30 pm
They could steal an idea from the IT crowd and advertise them with an "equivalent displacement" rather than the real one. SO ... instead of a 500 bullet it would be marketed as a "250 equivalent" Bullet.  :D
Do you really think anyone bought a Bullet original for the performance?
 Anyone with any sense knew what they were getting. A last chance to own some rideable old tech.
 It was Enfields attempt to meet the emissions spec that killed so many of them. If you did not recognize and correct how lean your bike was from the factory you were in for a seizure . I thought it odd so many experts blamed the cast iron cylinder for the issue. How cast iron worked so well before is still a mystery.  ::)
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Reply #82 on: November 26, 2021, 05:06:09 am
The latest bum dope!  ;D ;D ;D Just 8 days, 12 hours away from the "big reveal"!

BSA Motorcycles Is Back With New Logo – First Official Teaser Out:  Arun Prakash Nov. 25, 2021

Copyright (C) 'RUSH LANE' Read more at... https://www.rushlane.com/bsa-motorcycles-is-back-with-new-logo-first-teaser-12383695.html .
https://www.rushlane.com/bsa-motorcycles-is-back-with-new-logo-first-teaser-12383695.html

https://www.bsacompany.co.uk/

And Twitter steps into the fray - 

https://twitter.com/bsamotorcycles_

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BSAMotorcycles?src=hashtag_click

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Reply #83 on: November 26, 2021, 02:19:04 pm
The latest bum dope!  ;D ;D ;D Just 8 days, 12 hours away from the "big reveal"!

BSA Motorcycles Is Back With New Logo – First Official Teaser Out:  Arun Prakash Nov. 25, 2021

Copyright (C) 'RUSH LANE' Read more at... https://www.rushlane.com/bsa-motorcycles-is-back-with-new-logo-first-teaser-12383695.html .
https://www.rushlane.com/bsa-motorcycles-is-back-with-new-logo-first-teaser-12383695.html

https://www.bsacompany.co.uk/

And Twitter steps into the fray - 

https://twitter.com/bsamotorcycles_

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BSAMotorcycles?src=hashtag_click

I wonder what qualified BSA for free cash from the UK taxpayers?   ???  The size of their 300cc-class engines?  ::)
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Reply #84 on: November 26, 2021, 06:08:31 pm
It's commonplace to have local (or higher) government pay for "job-bringing-industries" to locate in their confines. Good or bad, that's the practice.
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Reply #85 on: November 27, 2021, 01:24:34 am
Do you really think anyone bought a Bullet original for the performance?

Definitely!  I think that from it's inception in India, until at least the turn of the millennia, nearly EVERY purchaser of the RE 500 Bullet in India, chose it for it's power and weight.  This was the biggest, baddest, most powerful machine available in India, for a price that a working person could afford, and it was made in India.  Since by far, the majority of these machines were and still are, sold in India, it follows that by far the majority of Bullet riders have the Indian perspective of their machines, ... not your western perspective.

The way that those who love them talk about these machines is practically religious.  Similar short films have been linked to here in the forum, but I don't think this one has:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-JwZfLKX1U&t=281s


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Reply #86 on: November 27, 2021, 01:56:27 am
Thanks for posting!  :)  Those guys are incredible, what they accomplish working with so little. Great spirit, like the HD & Indian folks in the 20's & 30's.
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A trifecta of Bullets: a Red Deluxe 500, a Green Standard 500, and a Black ES 350.