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650 Interceptor & Continental GT / Re: Belt drive conversion?
« Last Post by axman88 on Today at 03:44:15 pm »

I saw some studies that showed that a new, clean, perfectly lubed and adjusted chain is more efficient than a belt.

People talk about "the facts", but I've yet to see them.

The "studies" I've seen were commissioned by belt manufacturers, and they were comparing new belts to debilitated chains that THEY had decided best represented the condition of "real world" chain drives.  Spray salt water on a chain and belt before testing and we shouldn't be surprised if the belt wins.

If you have seen a study that compares well adjusted moto belts to well adjusted and lubed moto chains, you should share it.

I'll certainly grant that there is less maintenance with a belt.   On the other hand, the chain offers:
    Better durability
    Higher load capacity
    Easier ratio change
    Substantially less expensive component replacement cost.
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Bullet with the UCE engine / Re: Engine paint
« Last Post by dyl on Today at 03:41:41 pm »
Thanks for your input Robin!
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Campfire Talk / Re: ישראל כחזית השלישית
« Last Post by AzCal Retred on Today at 03:24:15 pm »
"Same types now that are getting close to the same results as in the past that also have a leader that intentionally does nothing to stop it."

What types?

What results?

What leader?

Why so deliberately vague?

Here's a real event with some documentation. Was this what you were cryptically referring to?
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-national-guard-university-texas-austin-protest-311795050354
CLAIM: The National Guard was sent in on Wednesday to address war protesters at the University of Texas at Austin.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The National Guard was not called to the university in response to the demonstration against the Israel-Hamas war, the Texas Military Department and a university spokesperson told The Associated Press. Texas state troopers responded at the request of university officials and Gov. Greg Abbott, according to a Texas Department of Public safety spokesperson. Local police were also on the scene.
THE FACTS: Amid student protests on an increasing number of college campuses, social media users falsely claimed that a demonstration at UT-Austin was met by the National Guard.
“We send the national guard for kids protesting at college but not the open border?” reads one X post that shared a clip from a Fox News report showing officers marching on the university’s campus. It had received approximately 24,000 likes and 6,300 shares as of Thursday.
Another X post captioned a clip of protestors clashing with officers, “Texas University demonstration confronting National Guard.”
Others specifically alleged that either Abbott or President Joe Biden had sent the military agency to UT-Austin. But such reports are unfounded.
“While the Texas National Guard was aware and prepared to respond to the protests at UT yesterday, no Soldiers were dispatched to the campus during the event,” the Texas Military Department, which encompasses the state’s National Guard, wrote in a statement to the AP. “DPS and law enforcement partners did not require assistance.”
However, the statement added, “the Texas National Guard is prepared to respond if requested.”
Brian Davis, a spokesperson for UT-Austin, told the AP that “the National Guard rumor is not true.”


Here's how the National Guard is mobilized:
https://www.army.nationalguard.mil/About-Us/Army-Guard-Mission/
The governor can call the National Guard into action during local or statewide emergencies, such as storms, fires, earthquakes or civil disturbances. In addition, the President of the United States can activate the National Guard for participation in federal missions.

Here's an article discussing the political ins & outs:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/25/white-house-johnson-national-guard-protesters-00154374

Twitter/X got it wrong but lots of people don't care about accuracy, just "Truthiness".
truth·i·ness  /  ˈtro͞oTHēnəs/ : noun - INFORMAL:
The quality of seeming or being felt to be true, even if not necessarily true.


Here's an instance of NG mobilization:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_sit-down_strike
The police, armed with guns and tear gas, attempted to enter the Fisher Body 2 plant on January 11, 1937. The strikers inside the plant pelted them with hinges, bottles, and bolts, led by Bob Travis and Roy Reuther.[13] They were able to withstand several waves of attack, eventually ending the standoff. The strikers dubbed this "The Battle of Running Bulls", a mocking reference to the police ("bulls"). Fourteen strikers were injured by gunfire during the battle.
At the time, Vice President John Nance Garner supported federal intervention to break up the Flint Strike, but this idea was rejected by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The president urged GM to recognize a union so the plants could re-open.
GM obtained a second injunction against the strike on February 2, 1937. GM was granted the injunction by Judge Edward S. Black. Judge Black owned over three thousand shares of GM. Judge Black was disbarred from the case after the UAW found out about the revelation. The union not only ignored the order, but spread the strike to Chevrolet Plant #4. To avoid tipping its hand, the union let it be known in the hours before the move that it intended to go after another plant in the complex, changing directions only at the last minute. GM, tipped off by an informant within the UAW, was ready and waiting for the union at the other plant and caught completely off guard at Plant #4. The strike ended after 44 days.
That development forced GM to bargain with the union. John L. Lewis, President of the United Mine Workers and founder and leader of the Congress of Industrial Organizations, spoke for the UAW in those negotiations; UAW President Homer Martin was sent on a speaking tour to keep him out of the way. GM's representatives refused to be in the same room as the UAW's, so Governor Frank Murphy acted as courier and intermediary between the two groups. Governor Murphy sent in the Michigan National Guard, not to evict the strikers, but rather to protect them from the police and corporate strike-breakers. The two parties finally reached agreement on February 11, 1937, on a one-page agreement that recognized the UAW as the exclusive bargaining representative for GM's employees who were members of the union for the next six months.[14]


Remember this other instance of NG mobilization? Lots of us older folks do. Nobody is interested in a repeat performance.
https://www.kent.edu/may-4-historical-accuracy





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650 Interceptor & Continental GT / Re: Belt drive conversion?
« Last Post by Wrenchjockie on Today at 03:06:22 pm »
Thanks for the responses.
I got yelled at for wasting $ on something that isn’t a performance increase.
Gee, quieter, smoother, less maintenance-not an improvement?
I pointed out that the majority of mods shown on that list are stupid loud exhausts and removing the rear fender.
Not really my idea of ‘performance improvement’.
I saw some studies that showed that a new, clean, perfectly lubed and adjusted chain is more efficient than a belt.
Yeah, and how about 5,000 miles later?
Last year, when NJ Mike and I did a multi day trip, I was flopping around cleaning and lubing my chain in a parking lot, and he was smiling and waving at his belt.
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650 Interceptor & Continental GT / Re: Question about stock tires
« Last Post by 20MarkIII on Today at 02:21:56 pm »
A couple of comments here. You might have your rear wheel alignment checked and I don't care for the Ceat tubes used on my 2020 INT. They are very thick and heavy for road tubes. I had to replace the rear tube early on and went with a Michelin Road Tube.
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350 J Platform / Re: Trade-in Values on 350 Meteors/Classics
« Last Post by 20MarkIII on Today at 02:05:36 pm »
Another option for selling a bike is the consignment route. Not all Dealers will agree to it but I think you'll generally do better financially than trading in. There is ,of course, a commission fee but the bike will generally get more exposure and importantly you avoid strangers snooping around your premises.
I love my Meteor but as others have said, if I could find a RE 650 powered bike with the extreme comfort of the Meteor, I'd be tempted to change up. I'm falling hard for the Shotgun in gray and waiting on the new Classic 650 as well.
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650 Interceptor & Continental GT / Re: Question about stock tires
« Last Post by Re-Cycle on Today at 01:46:18 pm »
I've done a lot of riding in the past and after a pause of ten years just recently (2 years ago) picked up motorcycling again.
But even with that experience I find it difficult to tell exactly what I felt during those test rides. And what you feel or what you think you feel are two different things that are often not easy to tell apart.

But in the end what's important is how the bike feels for you when you ride it. If you're happy with the Ceat's, that's fine.
I just wasn't and on the total cost *) upgrading the tires was not a very big deal so an easy decision to take.

*) Motorcycles and cars in The Netherlands are rather expensive, we have a tax (on top of the VAT) that most other countries don't have. Sometimes when I see the prices quoted on this forum for new or second hand Enfields in the USA it almost makes me cry when I think of what I paid for mine  ;D
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650 Interceptor & Continental GT / Re: Belt drive conversion?
« Last Post by Re-Cycle on Today at 01:30:36 pm »
It's because you are using facts to argue with feelings and that will never work. Belt drive is clean, quiet and almost maintenanace free, so what's not to like?

PS. I've heard the same arguments regarding belt drives on bicycles.
On a bicycle it is a fact that a belt drive has more energy loss than a well maintained chain drivetrain. So belt driven bicycles are often used for commuting, where the fact that you have almost no maintainance to do is an important aspect. Also you cannot use a belt on a derailleur drivetrain, so you have to have a bike with hubgears, a single speed or a gearbox like Pinion. On full suspensions the belt tension is something to take care of, the frame or rear triangle has to be split to get the belt on or off... which usually means a belt-specific frame design.
So there are pro's, but there are con's as well. So it's up to personal preferences, use, etc. which works best.

As far as converting my Conti to belt drive, I don't see enough advantages to do that. I ride 3.000~4.000km a year and never in the rain if I can avoid it. A chain will do fine.

But it's good to have the choice if anyone wants to do the switch, so kudo's for the nice work!
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650 Interceptor & Continental GT / Re: Belt drive conversion?
« Last Post by Red Rider on Today at 01:11:06 pm »
Where would one acquire these belt drive systems? Cost?
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