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Royal Enfield Motorcycles => 650 Interceptor & Continental GT => Topic started by: EJJKC on November 02, 2022, 11:32:57 pm
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Dude, Harley bros get mad when you pass their $70,000 custom Dyna CVO on your slow ass RE Interceptor. I’ve gotten used to them pretending other makes don’t exist and them not doing the wave but this dude followed me into the gas station 10 miles down the road and threatened me with his get back whip….
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Dude, Harley bros get mad when you pass their $70,000 custom Dyna CVO on your slow ass RE Interceptor. I’ve gotten used to them pretending other makes don’t exist and them not doing the wave but this dude followed me into the gas station 10 miles down the road and threatened me with his get back whip….
His what? Is that a euphemism?
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His what? Is that a euphemism?
Get back whip is a leather whip clipped to the front brake lever used to whip cars or bikes that get to close….. mostly used by outlaw bikers and wannabes (like this dude….. typically dudes that have a prospect patch on their cuts don’t have 1% patches)….
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Most Harley guys I pass wave around here. I figure the ones that don't are to scared to take their hands of the handle bars of their bike that is to big for them. I never have understood that stupid rope hanging off the handlebars. Don't bring a rope to a gun fight are words to live by.
David
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Get back whip is a leather whip clipped to the front brake lever used to whip cars or bikes that get to close…..patches)….
Look at that, ive learned something today 8)
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Look at that, ive learned something today 8)
Likewise :o
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Most Harley guys I pass wave around here. I figure the ones that don't are to scared to take their hands of the handle bars of their bike that is to big for them. I never have understood that stupid rope hanging off the handlebars. Don't bring a rope to a gun fight are words to live by.
David
Kinda how I feel about…. I unzipped my jacket to get my debit card and he saw my sidearm and started “cooling” off. Eventually an outlaw club is going to take those fake patches and whip from him…..
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Googling bikers & whips was not productive. ::)
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A rider around here has one. So captain dck head hits the wrong car, some smack head, just a genteel nudge from that driver, and he or she is road kill. Gawd, knuckleheads
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Harley bros.... Fuckin idiots. I think there's some moral code that forbids them being behind any other bike, no matter if they hold up said bike come corner time.
Funny thing, Harley bros never seem to be an issue at the track. ::)
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Er, what's a prospect patch?
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Er, what's a prospect patch?
You have to earn your way into a biker gang. Prospect is a newbie who hasn't passed the initiation to wear the full gang colors. David
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Bypass the initiation and go straight to Aliexpress. Job done, no sausage sucking required.
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You have to earn your way into a biker gang. Prospect is a newbie who hasn't passed the initiation to wear the full gang colors. David
Initiation. Sounds fun! ???
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Harley bros.... Fuckin idiots. I think there's some moral code that forbids them being behind any other bike, no matter if they hold up said bike come corner time.
Funny thing, Harley bros never seem to be an issue at the track. ::)
My last trip found me behind a group of 3 harley riders on a two lane rural. The last was a trike.
The trike rider wanted me to pass them and kept moving to the center line and motioning me with their right arm to pass them on the right.
So this is the US, we drive on the right and it’s illegal to pass on the right.
Sigh😮💨
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Dude, Harley bros get mad when you pass their $70,000 custom Dyna CVO on your slow ass RE Interceptor. I’ve gotten used to them pretending other makes don’t exist and them not doing the wave but this dude followed me into the gas station 10 miles down the road and threatened me with his get back whip….
I always wave to other motorcycles when I ride, and I find 90% of Harley riders just look the other way. My guess, is that they are better than me, as well as smarter and better looking, with far superior manhood between the legs than I.
When I rode a Honda, it was even worse...
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I always wave to other motorcycles when I ride, and I find 90% of Harley riders just look the other way. My guess, is that they are better than me, as well as smarter and better looking, with far superior manhood between the legs than I.
When I rode a Honda, it was even worse...
I wish I could like some of the posts in this thread.
This is the first time I’ve ever had one follow me. First time in 20 years I felt like I might be getting into a scuffle. First time in 20 years I wasn’t able to avoid trouble and I avoid trouble like the plague…. Don’t get me wrong…. I’m not afraid to get into a scuffle, I just don’t want to. I don’t like guns either but I still carry one…..
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I dislike guns as well, which is why I carry 24/7 and have more than 50 in my safe. The more I have, the fewer will be out there attacking innocent people.
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I always wave to other motorcycles when I ride, and I find 90% of Harley riders just look the other way. My guess, is that they are better than me, as well as smarter and better looking, with far superior manhood between the legs than I.
When I rode a Honda, it was even worse...
My mate back in UK has had a Harley for 30-odd years. In that respect, I just don't understand him. Many years ago, he took his son - then about 10 - for a 50 mile ride. During the ride, the boy was uncomfortable. He told his dad his arse was bleeding .... Now in his 30s, the son has NEVER been on that bike again.
Maybe the problem with many Harley riders is similar to the boy's but they daren't admit it. Maybe they're too busy clenching their arses to wave to you.
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Seems less of a problem here in dear old Blighted, sorry Blighty. Most Harley riders seem happy to return the wave here but perhaps that's down to failing eyesight and mistaking my chrome Interceptor for a Sporty! The only marque that come across as rude to me are Brough Superior, yes there's not many about and probably the riders aren't generally out on bikes, preferring their Lear Jet but I've waived at a few and not one of the miserable barstages has waved back.
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Over the years, I have rented Harley bikes for multiple days in five different states.
The question one needs to ask is; Do Harley riders give each other "the wave"?
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Over the years, I have rented Harley bikes for multiple days in five different states.
The question one needs to ask is; Do Harley riders give each other "the wave"?
I’ve owned several Harleys over the years but I will never own another. But yes Harley bros wave to other Harley bros
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Apparently there are regional differences, but around here most Harley riders wave to other riders, regardless of the make.
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Here in Southern Arizona, they wouldn't wave if I had 20 dollar bills glued to my tits.
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Here in Southern Arizona, they wouldn't wave if I had 20 dollar bills glued to my tits.
Under those circumstances, not sure I’d wave either….
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I hired a Harley once with a bunch of guys in Orlando to ride to Cape Canaveral and back. Hilarious. Heavy, noisy, slow and uncomfortable at highway speeds (bolt upright turns you into a windsock) and grinding the floor boards at what must have been 20° of lean if that. The girls at some random bar we stopped at thought we were cool because we rode Harleys. So sad.
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Usually, its the people who no nothing about motorcycles that think Harleys are really cool. They have one of the most successful marketing teams the world has ever seen.
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After a conference in Phoenix, AZ, I rented a Road King for a day trip to Sedona and local area.
The ride was great, with useful windshield and saddle bags, but the Harley was disappointing in two ways.
The floorboards were so far forward that I could barely use the rear edges for footpegs, and I have long legs.
When leaned over in a curve, I had to watch for bumps and dips in the road, as they would set off a wobble, the severity depending on how much faster than 80 mph I was going. If that sounds like an extreme condition, It's quite common in western states.
Still, I never make fun of other people's bikes, not even Harleys. Disclaimer: my own brother rides one.
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I feel disappointed - I was imagining a proper bull-whip, Indiana Jones style, but they are more like a My Little Pony accessory.
Harley bros fighting with these things would resemble the Monty Python fish dance.
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Couple of years ago a guy on Another Forum was grizzling about the Harley wave thing. He's a nice guy but he rides a Harley. He was feeling a bit butthurt that no one waves to him 😂. So sad but waddya expect. No one here waves to Harleys. Now they have a sad on.
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I dislike guns as well, which is why I carry 24/7 and have more than 50 in my safe. The more I have, the fewer will be out there attacking innocent people.
That is one of the weirdest reasons I've ever heard for owning lots of guns. I reckon the factory will be more than happy to pump out an extra 50 to make up the difference.
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Under those circumstances, not sure I’d wave either….
I actually did laugh out loud! ;D
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Get back, Loretta........
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i hate harley as a culture but harley bike or not, most riders here are totally fine with waving back (although i actually *never* intitiate the wave in fear of accidently waving to e-bikes lol)
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What is Harley culture?
Is it buying every possible object that exists that has a HD logo on it?
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What is Harley culture?
Is it buying every possible object that exists that has a HD logo on it?
Yes, that, as well as the delirious bliss of total ignorance involved , immersing oneself so deeply in the culture as to be blinded by inferior century old engine technology and an excessively heavy, ill-handling chunk of out-dated Americana.
Yes, I am more than a little bitter, as an American that cannot find a good American bike I wouldn't be embarrassed to own.
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Yes, that, as well as the delirious bliss of total ignorance involved , immersing oneself so deeply in the culture as to be blinded by inferior century old engine technology and an excessively heavy, ill-handling chunk of out-dated Americana.
Yes, I am more than a little bitter, as an American that cannot find a good American bike I wouldn't be embarrassed to own.
I wouldn't be embarrassed on an Indian FTR, especially the carbon version. There are probably better foreign-made bikes for the money, but it's certainly eye-catching and far preferable to the new Sportster. As Harleys go I wouldn't be embarrassed on a Pan American either, though it's not altogether my style. Of course your average Harley fanboy considers the Pan American an abomination. Ditto for the new Sportster.
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I wouldn't be embarrassed on an Indian FTR, especially the carbon version. There are probably better foreign-made bikes for the money, but it's certainly eye-catching and far preferable to the new Sportster. As Harleys go I wouldn't be embarrassed on a Pan American either, though it's not altogether my style. Of course your average Harley fanboy considers the Pan American an abomination. Ditto for the new Sportster.
Agreed on the FTR
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To be fair, my *1980* Suzuki GS550 felt newer than either our old Dyna or new RE, ABS notwithstanding.
Harley is ancient tech and RE is updated ancient tech ;)
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I stand corrected. I actually like Indians, and kinda liked Victories.
The Pan American still has that single-pin abomination of an uneven-firing engine, and its bloody heavy as hell.
I must confess, I owned a VRod in 2002, and I liked it, but the damned exhaust burned my right leg and the gas tank was too small. When I told the salesman it felt a little "delicate" compared to my Honda ST, I thought he was going to deck me.
Sold it for another Honda.
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Never met a Harley rider that knew what a front brake was, or how to use it.
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I own a 2000 HD Softtail. It is a great bike. Never had any problems, runs like a clock. Has some great attributes-A real tank w/o the cheesey stamped edge all bike now have, Beautiful paint, very solid feel, long lasting and quality components. There is something great about them. The only problem with early twin cam engines , which could be a big one are the spring loaded cam chain adjusters that could break prematurely and possibly cause engine damage. Replacement is involved for the home mechanic, and most places will charge at least $1500 + to do it. Mine are still original and OK. Otherwise I have had 22 years and 30,000 miles of pleasure, and several tours.
As far as waving, that custom is waving bye-bye. I still do it, and get a wave on leisurely Sundays, but during the week, with all the crazies on the road, not often.
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I'm 68 and have been riding for 60 years. Have owned just about every make possible. I can now sleep easily because I've now seen it all. 47hp bikes bragging about passing 70hp bikes. Now if you want to tell the rest of the story about how much work has been done to your bike, then your bragging don't mean squat unless you went up against a HD with equal work. LOL
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Never met a Harley rider that knew what a front brake was, or how to use it.
Just finished putting new brake lines on the Dyna, so count 2 of us at this address ;) It is a loud clunky antique beast, but it has its agricultural charms. It gives my son plenty to learn about, there is always something that needs doing on that thing.
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If they could just find it in their collective hearts to produce a smooth, even firing engine (Google Harley NOVA) and catch up with the 20th century, I'd have a little more respect for them.
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I'm 68 and have been riding for 60 years. Have owned just about every make possible. I can now sleep easily because I've now seen it all. 47hp bikes bragging about passing 70hp bikes. Now if you want to tell the rest of the story about how much work has been done to your bike, then your bragging don't mean squat unless you went up against a HD with equal work. LOL
I think you missed the point entirely. The OP wasn’t racing the Bro, he simply went past him… thus creating offence to his concept of Bro manhood.
In defence of the Bro stereotype - my Enfield mate and I are completely ok with being ignored by the Bro’s but one day there was a gaggle of them coming toward us and the lead rider gave us the biggest wave and grin ever. It was so against type, and completely awesome.
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If they could just find it in their collective hearts to produce a smooth, even firing engine (Google Harley NOVA) and catch up with the 20th century, I'd have a little more respect for them.
It is like flying an airplane with a radial engine. The sounds, vibration, and oil leaks are all part of the charm.
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Hey everyone is different. Riding slowly enjoying the ‘lifestyle’ I can kind of understand why some are drawn to Harley. It isn’t really that different from the adventure bros on their R1250GSA or the Ducatisti for that matter. Or the R1 and gixxer squids.
Hell I think the 500 single Bullets are heaps of junk but some absolutely love them. Good on them for their enthusiasm.
Most of my buddies think I’ve lost my mind buying an Enfield and enjoying it.
Getting to not caring what anyone else thinks is an important life milestone
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Call me crazy, but somehow the charm of my smooth running, reliable, non-leaking Royal Enfield has me pretty satisfied with my choice. The low price is just icing on the cake.
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What is Harley culture?
Is it buying every possible object that exists that has a HD logo on it?
Harley clothes, fake tattoos etc.
My other brother rode a Honda 750 Super sport in the 1970s when I had the 500four.
I was dumbfounded when later in life he became a Harley guy. Never before in his life had he worn a do-rag, when the Road King came so did the do-rags, both he and his wife were swimming in Harley apparel.
Again, definitely not my cup of tea.
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Save me the cultural exchange googling. Tell me what the hell is a do-rag?
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he and his wife were swimming in Harley apparel.
I worked Rolling Thunder every year for over a decade. It was quite the social study seeing older adults with grey hair standing around in stiff brand new leather. It smelled like a saddle shop in DC on the Mall.
I handled quite a few crashes on the George Washington Memorial Parkway of riders on rental Harleys for the weekend. Playing dress up for the weekend can be dangerous when 1000 bikes are doing the accordion in a pack on the highway. David
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A do-rag is decorative head cloth worn in lieu of head protection of any kind.
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Save me the culturalexchange googling. Tell me what the he'll is a do-rag?
Picture is worth 1000 words
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I worked Rolling Thunder every year for over a decade. It was quite the social study seeing older adults with grey hair standing around in stiff brand new leather. It smelled like a saddle shop in DC on the Mall.
I handled quite a few crashes on the George Washington Memorial Parkway of riders on rental Harleys for the weekend. Playing dress up for the weekend can be dangerous when 1000 bikes are doing the accordion in a pack on the highway. David
When I want to play dress up, I go to a Renaissance Fare!
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Picture is worth 1000 words
Sweet Jaysus.
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Sweet Jaysus.
Yep. I can't help imagining it's another name for a kill rag and they're wearing it on their head. Which also wouldn't surprise me. ::)
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I sold my Harley because I lost the chain that connects my wallet to my pants. ;D ;D ;D
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I’ll be the first to admit, I love Harley’s.
Hell I love most motorcycles in general but I have a special place in my heart for American v twins.
The biker boy lifestyle and incessant need to leather up, however has never been my cup o tea.
While it is easy to say what an idiot for the putrid attitude a typical 1%er will convey , you truly need to experience the Ruth im of a quality build American v twin on an open highway.
But then again like I said , I’d have fun riding a Honda monkey across the arctic.
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Thing I love about Harleys is watching their riders get them around corners, even really slow corners. Most amusing.
Phil
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A do-rag is decorative head cloth worn in lieu of head protection of any kind.
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Yep. I can't help imagining it's another name for a kill rag and they're wearing it on their head. Which also wouldn't surprise me. ::)
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:) Maybe not quite that nefarious.
The "do" part refers to hairdo.
"hairdo | ˈherˌdo͞o |
noun (plural hairdos) informal
the way in which a person's hair is styled: an elaborate bouffant hairdo."
These guys also wear them under their beanie helmets.
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I’ll be the first to admit, I love Harley’s.
Hell I love most motorcycles in general but I have a special place in my heart for American v twins.
The biker boy lifestyle and incessant need to leather up, however has never been my cup o tea.
While it is easy to say what an idiot for the putrid attitude a typical 1%er will convey , you truly need to experience the Ruth im of a quality build American v twin on an open highway.
But then again like I said , I’d have fun riding a Honda monkey across the arctic.
There should be no apostrophe in Harleys.
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I'm 68 and have been riding for 60 years. Have owned just about every make possible. I can now sleep easily because I've now seen it all. 47hp bikes bragging about passing 70hp bikes. Now if you want to tell the rest of the story about how much work has been done to your bike, then your bragging don't mean squat unless you went up against a HD with equal work. LOL
I didn’t pass him to flex. I passed him because he was going 45 when I came up on him at 60…. And I had to slow down to 30 in turns I regularly take in my Jeep at 65. I had just finished a 12 hour shift with an hour commute each way so I didn’t have time for it. I thought he was another one of those rich urban biker noobs that bought more bike than he had skills to ride…..
My bike is still stock…..
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There should be no apostrophe in Harleys.
Your takin this way too seriously.
They’re going to laugh when they’re reading you’re typos.
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Save me the cultural exchange googling. Tell me what the hell is a do-rag?
As soon as i finished reading Jess's reply, i googled 'do-rag', never knew it was a 'thing' :)
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Your takin this way too seriously.
They’re going to laugh when they’re reading you’re typos.
Hey baby, this boy ain't got no typos!
Oh, and just for fun:
you're
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you are.
"you're an angel, Deb!"
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Hey baby, this boy ain't got no typos!
Oh, and just for fun:
you're
/yo͝or,yôr/
contraction
you are.
"you're an angel, Deb!"
Nothing but love here stud
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I sold my Harley because I lost the chain that connects my wallet to my pants. ;D ;D ;D
😂
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I will say I have got several compliments when I started my Interceptor from non-bike people who loved the lack of straight-pipe racket. It seems to project a friendly image :)
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Thing I love about Harleys is watching their riders get them around corners, even really slow corners. Most amusing.
Phil
Its amazing how little people want to lean because of floorboards.
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Your takin this way too seriously.
They’re going to laugh when they’re reading you’re typos.
Be sure you have YOUR punctuation correct before you criticize someone else's punctuation.
If you're doing it on purpose?....indicate it in some way.
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Picture is worth 1000 words
That's not a do rag, Jess. That's a kind of stupid F-ing bandana that I've laughed at ever since this cable TV a**hole and others like him first appeared & F-ed up all the sensible car & motorcycle TV programs that were originally on the tube. The absolute WORST were those OCC clowns.
PS: What the hell is the sequence for Bold Type? I never seem to get it correct.
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Be sure you have YOUR punctuation correct before you criticize someone else's punctuation.
If you're doing it on purpose?....indicate it in some way.
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That "wave" thing:
Since my first days of riding(1965 Honda C110 50cc Super Sports Cub) the wave has been a communication system between riders. The drop-hand wave is to indicate that "the road I just traveled and that you are about to travel is clear of road hazards and speed traps". Alternatively, a exaggerated tapping of the helmet indicates that "up ahead, there is something you need to worry about, so use your head".
_ It was never a peer review.
_ I continue to participate including scooter riders, KliM clad GSA riders and yes the Bros.
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Bless your hearts
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Be sure you have YOUR punctuation correct before you criticize someone else's punctuation.
If you're doing it on purpose?....indicate it in some way.
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One day I stopped by the side of the road to help a stranded rider. He refused my help because I was on a Honda. Hope the Harley was easy to push.
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This is my biking buddy Colin.Dressed for the Scottish weather.
Too sensible for an American Harley rider?
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In weather like that the only thing on the roads over here are AWD SUVs - Well done to Colin! :)
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Yeah sometimes ya gotta laugh...
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This is my biking buddy Colin.Dressed for the Scottish weather.
Too sensible for an American Harley rider?
Harley.
Sidecar.
Scotland in the rain.
Doesn't sound very sensible to me, courageous maybe.
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Harley.
Sidecar.
Scotland in the rain.
Doesn't sound very sensible to me, courageous maybe.
He had it booked into Harley Glasgow for a repair.What turned out to be after a sunny ride there ended up a wet ride home.
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This is my biking buddy Colin.Dressed for the Scottish weather.
Too sensible for an American Harley rider?
No cuts… no leather…. No get back whip…. No wallet on a chain…. Wearing a helmet…. Are you sure he’s a Harley rider?
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I fitted with Sporster exhausts my Interceptor...do I risk something?!?
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No cuts… no leather…. No get back whip…. No wallet on a chain…. Wearing a helmet…. Are you sure he’s a Harley rider?
Underneath that wet suit there's plenty of leather. ::)
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I fitted with Sporster exhausts my Interceptor...do I risk something?!?
Your bike is now haunted with the spirit of Harley-Davidson. It will soon start leaking oil and vibrating. Don't say I didn't warn you!
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One day I stopped by the side of the road to help a stranded rider. He refused my help because I was on a Honda. Hope the Harley was easy to push.
Oh, I thought you were going to say he refused your help because you made a grammatical error
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Yes, it is laughable when you see those rebel renegade fellow Harley riders that are trying to be individuals, but all look the same! Hell, you could laugh at just about anyone who follows any trend in style- clothes, hair, speech, anything. Basically that amounts to everybody, including me and surely each one of you in some way, shape, or form.
Most post 1980 HD's are pretty good. Mine has a counter balancer and is smooth. Never leaked a drop of oil.
People trying to look cool do not bother me, but I have to go off topic. What bothers me is what I see every day- Riders blowing red lights and the frequent rider casually weaving in between cars on the highway at 80 MPH. This has become the norm here in NYC and thereabouts. And there is no way to stop it. Police leave them alone for fear they may run, and cause catastrophe. Although all these cameras are a pain in the ass, maybe more on the highways might save lives by getting these riders off the road before they die or take someone else down. this to me is a big problem all around, especially for us sane riders.
The average motorist deals with this behavior from riders every day, and as a result, are making more aggressive moves close to motorcyclists. I am noticing more cars making aggressive moves near me, tailgating more, and nonchalantly almost killing me. I think many motorists see riders doing the same, and figure that if the rider can do it, and has no regard for life, why should I. Am I imagining this, paranoid, or just old? Anyone else noticing this?
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One day I stopped by the side of the road to help a stranded rider. He refused my help because I was on a Honda. Hope the Harley was easy to push.
Its amazing how many people in all the different forums have come across this same guy !! WOW !!!!!
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For me in Oztralia it’s not so much drivers are aggressive, they are plain fu*king stupid. Unfortunately here a licence is a right not a privilege and it’s so easy to get one. Seriously there are suburbs here I would not drive through let alone ride! Harley’’’’s. I’d have one if I had the spare money. I have hired one a couple of times and enjoyed, like the RE The look I can leave. Remember, 1 more Harley on the road is one less car, and that’s always good! Now for my number one quote from another forum…”yeah, they ride Harleys’ but their not harl’ley people”. Ahh that brings a grin every time!
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Its amazing how many people in all the different forums have come across this same guy !! WOW !!!!!
It is not surprising, since he won't accept help he has been sitting out there for years ::)
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It is not surprising, since he won't accept help he has been sitting out there for years ::)
He’s been pushing that Harley for a while
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Most Harley riders wave around here. Many initiate the wave. I guess there's a shortage of bad bikers in Colorado.
I've had a Sportster and two panheads. Harleys used to be cool bikes.
My '64 pan was stock, and accessory free. Practically svelte by today's standards. I cornered it far enough to lift the floorboards, and grind down the sidecar lug on the frame. Even slid it around on the dirt roads up in the foothills. Feet up slides, to be sure. It was six times heavier than me. If I'd had to put my foot down, it would have torn my leg off.
I was working at a Honda shop when I sold my Elefant. We had a leftover NT650 that I thought would make a good canyon scratcher. But employees bought bikes at 10% over cost. They sold it out from under me at the last minute.
While pondering what to do next, I rode someone's SuperGlide around the block. It reminded me how much I liked my old panheads. I bought a Sportster. A minimalist motorcycle. Underpowered, but gloriously torquey. (And listening to my coworkers squawk about it added to the pleasure).
Like my Bullet, and Interceptor, it was a bike I could sit and stare at. I can't say that about the new ones.
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I got involved in a 'making good progress' thing with a Harley a couple of years ago, I had him until I messed up a gear change - my chain got stuck between the front deraillieur and frame.
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Here in Utah we have a lot of Harley riders, and I'd say it's 50/50 on the wave. At bike nights and group rides, it seems like 90% of them think the Royal Enfield is dope, and they also usually think it's much older than it really is haha.
All the biker gang nonsense is just that though; nonsense. I've ridden with a few groups who were pretty friendly and accepting, but I'm sure that varies wildly.
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I don't see how people think Enfield riders are dopes. I think we are pretty smart.
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Here in Utah we have a lot of Harley riders, and I'd say it's 50/50 on the wave. At bike nights and group rides, it seems like 90% of them think the Royal Enfield is dope, and they also usually think it's much older than it really is haha.
All the biker gang nonsense is just that though; nonsense. I've ridden with a few groups who were pretty friendly and accepting, but I'm sure that varies wildly.
There are formal and informal riding clubs that are probably as friendly as any random group of motor sports enthusiasts.
There are organized criminal gangs on motorcycles that are not really nice people.
Then there is the weird cosplay world of middle-age or older men and women doing their best to look like a criminal gang while in real life they probably would swoon if they got a parking ticket and the last rumble they got into was in third grade lunch ::)
I can't say I have ever had a negative interaction with the 1%er clubs, but I am nervous around them because I don't want to be talking to a Pagan about carburetors when a Hells Angel comes by to take a few shots at them or vice versa.
We had (have?) a club around here that was kind of "sorta 1% but not really" and rumor has it they tried a bit too hard to be tough guys and the real 1%er clubs were displeased.
I'll pass on the whole dress like Sons Of Anarchy while going to get a half-cafe latte and an organic sandwich thing myself.
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Reading this thread is like listening to a bunch of Jr High girls arguing over what hair ties look the best. If this is the level of maturity that RE owners have............ WOW !
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Its like being in high school again.
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Does anybody just go out for rides to ride anymore? Or is it just to play dress-up to go to the dealers and stand around, to a coffee shop and look hip, or do poker runs, and ride with the pack, hot Rod around annoying the general public etc? How many here hop on their RE or you name it and put on 100-200 miles either in a group, a few buddies or simply solo? This wave, cliquish snobbery, hardass mentality and attitude out there is gettin’ to be re-god-damn-diculous! Good grief what has motorcycling come to? :o
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I think everybody has done all that in their time but I don't need to look hip I am hip.Steve McQueen and Peter Fonda based their biker characters on me.
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I think everybody has done all that in their time but I don't need to look hip I am hip.Steve McQueen and Peter Fonda based their biker characters on me.
You remind me of Chuck Norris.
When Chuck Norris rides a motorcycle, the motorcycle wears a helmet.
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Here in Utah we have a lot of Harley riders, and I'd say it's 50/50 on the wave. At bike nights and group rides, it seems like 90% of them think the Royal Enfield is dope, and they also usually think it's much older than it really is haha.
All the biker gang nonsense is just that though; nonsense. I've ridden with a few groups who were pretty friendly and accepting, but I'm sure that varies wildly.
I spent six months in Logan in 2002 so I know a little about the state and I guess you are less likely to meet unfriendly people there than in other places. Or unlikely to "meet people" on the road just. Great roads and scenery but a lot of high altitude.
As for Harleys, all of us identify to some extent with our bikes, if nothing else by NOT using bikes that we dislike for some reason. Personally, I don't like Harleys because I think they are horrible bikes from a technology standpoint, but you can meet the nicest people on a Harley as well as a Honda. Not to mention Enfields... Most will wave back though.
Here in Sweden, "outlaw bikers" was never a thing on the road. It would be very seasonal. Think Minnesota.
I saw an earlier message in the beginning of the thread of somebody inadvertedly flashing their sidearm. If you would do that here you would be fined and lose your license. If you did not have a license you would go to prison. My point is not to discuss gun control, but just to provide some ideas as to why outlaw biker gangs was never was a real menace on the roads in Europe. It was always about dipping into a pool of identity. Not much different than choosing what jacket to wear.
Doesn't stop me from judging though, millennial style...
/Kranis
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I got involved in a 'making good progress' thing with a Harley a couple of years ago, I had him until I messed up a gear change - my chain got stuck between the front deraillieur and frame.
Question: Why doesn't this post have like at least five replies with some kind of ROTFL emoji? ;D
Took me a while though...
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Million dollar bogan. you tube.
Rides his Harley everywhere.(In the world)
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He must have titanium testicles to deal with that much vibration for that long.
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Rode to work yesterday. Ended up beside a guy on a custom harley at a red light.
He looked at my bike and said ‘that's badass!’ and gave me a fist bump and then the light turned green and we went our separate ways.
I would call that friendly.
(And no, he was not flirting, with my jacket, riding pants, helmet & gloves you can not tell if I’m female or male)
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I just sold my 2021 HD Heritage Classic, before that I had a 2019 Road King, both great bikes. Handling, comfort, power, and reliability were excellent. I usually have more than one bike, but right now I just have a 2022 W800. I am considering buying a 650 Interceptor this spring. I have owned 45 motorcycles from 11 different brands in my life and have ridden more, and I gotta say the negative attitude towards HD on this site makes little to no sense. I have been riding since 1968, and I would never have owned a Harley years ago, they certainly had little power, and were trouble. One of the only bikes I have owned that had no issues(recalls or problems) in over 20,000 miles was my first Harley, a 2010 Electra Glide. There is no more stable and comfortable motorcycle going down the road at 80 mph than a newer Road King. I have never been a "waver", but that doesn't mean I think I am better than you. :)
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There are good and valid reasons for the Harley hate. I can only speak for myself, as a former owner. HD WILL NOT make a motorcycle I like, with an even firing, smooth running engine, and at a price that I can afford. They flat out refuse, leading me to buy 20 years of Hondas.
HD is a marketing firm, disguised as a motorcycle factory.
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There are good and valid reasons for the Harley hate. I can only speak for myself, as a former owner. HD WILL NOT make a motorcycle I like, with an even firing, smooth running engine, and at a price that I can afford. They flat out refuse, leading me to buy 20 years of Hondas.
HD is a marketing firm, disguised as a motorcycle factory.
I never said they made a motorcycle to fit every ones needs. My point was simple, that they make a great motorcycle now, but not always. Let me guess, the HD you owned was several years ago. I have had LOTS of Hondas, including a 1992, 1995, and a 2018 Gold Wing all bought new.
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Some of the disdain or dislike (not hate) towards some in the Harley crowd is merely a reaction to the attitudes displayed by those Harley riders. They reap what they sow. They are the ones instigating “attitude” Life’s too short to endlessly take the high road. They get attitude right back at em. Just like some in the British steel bike crowd who have attitudes towards Royal Enfields from India. Seen that as well.
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'It has been pointed out that Jonathan Swift in his 1726 novel Gulliver's Travels described this phenomenon when writing about how two groups entered into a long and vicious war after they disagreed on which was the best end to break an egg.'
The narcism of small differences, played out to perfection.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences
A Harley wouldn't be my first choice... but I'd still take it over a car.
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I just wish, and pray, and sincerely hope they will some day realize the hundred year old firing order should be moderdized and come into the new century like everyone else. Sure, they can continue making those lazy boy recliners on wheels, and I applaud the effort on electric and the Pan America, but there stubborn refusal to engineer a truly modern, (270 degree crank?) twin , that would appeal to a huge number of us, really grinds my gears.
I am American, and I want to buy American. It irks me that Americans don't make a product I want to spend my money on.
Rant off.
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Some of the disdain or dislike (not hate) towards some in the Harley crowd is merely a reaction to the attitudes displayed by those Harley riders. They reap what they sow. They are the ones instigating “attitude” Life’s too short to endlessly take the high road. They get attitude right back at em. Just like some in the British steel bike crowd who have attitudes towards Royal Enfields from India. Seen that as well.
Agree.
(And no, he was not flirting, with my jacket, riding pants, helmet & gloves you can not tell if I’m female or male)
Hate to tell you (but not really ;)) but guys can tell you're a female rider, even with all the gear on. Some sort of straight version of a gaydar, I suppose.
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In the begining of a long trip I will wave to other riders. After many miles I become focused on just the road in front of me and will realize that a group of riders going the other way waved to me--- all of them. Too late to wave back, maybe they think I'm a jerk or unfriendly. Not true, but how will they ever know ?
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Some of the disdain or dislike (not hate) towards some in the Harley crowd is merely a reaction to the attitudes displayed by those Harley riders. They reap what they sow. They are the ones instigating “attitude” Life’s too short to endlessly take the high road. They get attitude right back at em. Just like some in the British steel bike crowd who have attitudes towards Royal Enfields from India. Seen that as well.
I agree completely, it always irked me when I got the my Harley is better than your Royal Star Venture. ( I had a 1999, 2004, and 2007 ) But then I would smile to myself as I blew past them. I lived north of Tomahawk WI for a few years, home of the fall ride. I always got a kick out of seeing them unload their Harley from a trailer and then drive them into town like they just made a long trip. My buddy bought a new Soft Tail Springer around 1990, beautiful bike, but he couldn't ride to far because it vibrated so bad.
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I just wish, and pray, and sincerely hope they will some day realize the hundred year old firing order should be moderdized and come into the new century like everyone else. Sure, they can continue making those lazy boy recliners on wheels, and I applaud the effort on electric and the Pan America, but there stubborn refusal to engineer a truly modern, (270 degree crank?) twin , that would appeal to a huge number of us, really grinds my gears.
I am American, and I want to buy American. It irks me that Americans don't make a product I want to spend my money on.
Rant off.
The new Milwaukee 8 engines are not the same as the old engines, to the complaints of some of the Harley faithful. My 2010 Electra Glide shook bad at idle, and when you hit the started the sound of the starter engaging was enough to wake the dead. My newer M8 engines have lost at lot of the old Harley character. That goodness.
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There are good and valid reasons for the Harley hate. I can only speak for myself, as a former owner. HD WILL NOT make a motorcycle I like, with an even firing, smooth running engine, and at a price that I can afford. They flat out refuse, leading me to buy 20 years of Hondas.
HD is a marketing firm, disguised as a motorcycle factory.
It’s actually a finance firm disguised as a motorcycle company
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As an aside, I was antiquated with a guy who put the word out that he would buy Harleys for X% more than a dealer's trade-in value. He and his son would build double decker racks and load them into shipping containers and send them to Norway. This was in the late '80s and '90s. He would do 4 a year. He lived in a nice house.
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I just wish, and pray, and sincerely hope they will some day realize the hundred year old firing order should be moderdized and come into the new century like everyone else. Sure, they can continue making those lazy boy recliners on wheels, and I applaud the effort on electric and the Pan America, but there stubborn refusal to engineer a truly modern, (270 degree crank?) twin , that would appeal to a huge number of us, really grinds my gears.
I am American, and I want to buy American. It irks me that Americans don't make a product I want to spend my money on.
Rant off.
You know they devised a balance shaft or some such, made a smooth(ish) Harley, and got endless complaints. They know their market and it isn't you ;)
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(And no, he was not flirting, with my jacket, riding pants, helmet & gloves you can not tell if I’m female or male)
FYI - You have no idea how visual men are. We can tell. Once walking on the beach a person came out from behind a dune and starting walking towards us from a LONG way off. One of the women in our group said "Is that a man or woman" and all the guys were 100% sure the person was female and all the women were 100% sure they had no idea. Imagine that our eyes work like 10 times better than normal when looking for a girl!
She was a she.
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You know they devised a balance shaft or some such, made a smooth(ish) Harley, and got endless complaints. They know their market and it isn't you ;)
My brother owned a Road King. He repeatedly told me it smoothed out at speed so I went for a pillion ride with him. It never smoothed out.
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So, is it the bikes or the lifestyle that offends? Would a Harley be acceptable (for someone else) if they wore an Aerostich suit?
I don't see much difference between a giant Harley and a Gold Wing. They're both too big to be fun on a twisty road.
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Big difference. A Goldwing is near perfection on 2 wheels. Smooth, powerful, ultra-reliable. Refined to a razor's edge.
A Roadking is the polar opposite.
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Has any one of you ridden a Harley built in the last 10 years? They are smoother than my W800, and I am betting a Royal Enfield.
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Big difference. A Goldwing is near perfection on 2 wheels. Smooth, powerful, ultra-reliable. Refined to a razor's edge.
A Roadking is the polar opposite.
I traded my 2018 Honda Gold Wing Tour in on a 2019 Road King after I put over 17,000 miles on it. My wife liked riding on the Road King better, so did I.
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It takes a herculean effort to make such an uneven firing engine, inherently designed to shake itself apart, to run smooth. Lots of rubber. Lots of locktite. I applaud the effort.
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My brother owned a Road King. He repeatedly told me it smoothed out at speed so I went for a pillion ride with him. It never smoothed out.
Let me guess, this was 20 years ago and it was older than that.
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My brother owned a Road King. He repeatedly told me it smoothed out at speed so I went for a pillion ride with him. It never smoothed out.
They can be quite different between models, years, and different bikes. The 94 Dyna my son dragged home vibrates so much I am waiting for the various parts to fly off in different directions. He insisted "they all do that" so I took his friend's Fatboy out and it vibrated way less, but still more than a RE.
Speaking of, don't forget you are comparing nearly-new bikes to bikes that are decades old with a lot miles and a lot of worn-out rubber.
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Let me guess, this was 20 years ago and it was older than that.
Somewhere in the late 2000s. Bike was nee at the time.
Regardless of the bike, he believed it was smooth, it was not.
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All this bantering back and forth about vibration etc some of you guys are either spoiled, simply soft or maybe like to be Cadillac pampered when riding a motorcycle! It’s too bad RE doesn’t put kickstart on their bikes anymore. That sure would Separate the men from the rosy palmed caleoused thumb types out there that’s for sure! :P
Joking :o
There’s a bike out there for everyone.
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Somewhere in the late 2000s. Bike was nee at the time.
Regardless of the bike, he believed it was smooth, it was not.
Well if he likes it, then it is fine for him ;)
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Vibration sensitivity is extremely subjective. I've had Gold Wing riders whine about vibration. To me my ES350 is dead smooth. As long as I don't have to pay for it, this is Amurrika, ride what you like.
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I don't see much difference between a giant Harley and a Gold Wing. They're both too big to be fun on a twisty road.
Wanna bet ? :D Tail of the Dragon. 318 curves in 11 miles. I had my mufflers dragging. Never left 2nd gear. Came out of curve WFO and used decomp to slow down.
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Wanna bet ? :D Tail of the Dragon. 318 curves in 11 miles. I had my mufflers dragging. Never left 2nd gear. Came out of curve WFO and used decomp to slow down.
Its not the speed or number of curves, its the feel of the machine between your legs.
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That's an unnatural act on a Gold Wing.
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Wanna bet ? :D Tail of the Dragon. 318 curves in 11 miles. I had my mufflers dragging. Never left 2nd gear. Came out of curve WFO and used decomp to slow down.
You can go fast with almost any bike, there are scooter and bagger races, and these guys ride like hell.
But that doesn't mean it's fun to everybody.
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I commuted in my Scion xA for awhile between Bishop and Needles. I'd take the 168 over from Big Pine to the 266 in Fish Lake Valley, then on past Lida Junction and on to the 95, then south to Lost Wages, Nevada. Westgard Pass above Big Pine is maybe 20 miles of incredibly beautiful, fabulously twisty dry grippy asphalt about 100 miles from the nearest hospital. Have fun but be aware. One trip I spotted an unloaded semi-tractor rig about half a mile ahead around a few curves. Out of boredom I decided to give chase and picked up the pace. About 5 minutes later I'd gotten within maybe 200 yards, a lot harder than I'd imagined; that semi was hustling. We were in a canyon, not possible to pass, so I watched the semi driver's cornering technique. He was drifting both the truck & trailer thru the curves. He'd set up, toss that rig sideways and power thru. Unbelievable. I'm sure he'd probably been thru that canyon a thousand times, likely his Daddy was buying the tires, but it was impressive to see. On a straight stretch he slowed and waved me by, playtime over for now.
The point here is that fun is where you find it. It really doesn't matter if you are grinding chrome off of the undercarriage of your luxo-touring bike or you are picking clean lines with your 350 Meteor, if you are enjoying yourself that's all that matters. That amazing semi driver was having a ball in 80,000 pounds of iron. Quantified speed is part of the race track experience, streets and highways are for traveling. If you can manage to make it entertaining without endangering others, more power to you.
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All this bantering back and forth about vibration etc some of you guys are either spoiled, simply soft or maybe like to be Cadillac pampered when riding a motorcycle! It’s too bad RE doesn’t put kickstart on their bikes anymore. That sure would Separate the men from the rosy palmed caleoused thumb types out there that’s for sure! :P
Joking :o
There’s a bike out there for everyone.
Vibration in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, if it results from logical engineering compromises. For example, some of my hot rods with long overlap camshafts and solid motor mounts had somewhat of a lope and vibration at idle. The trade off was much higher performance at the expense of smoothness.
If vibration is due to ancient and obsolete technology that makes little sense in the modern world, then it is not a good thing. If a V-Twin vibrates itself to partial disassembly, there is no trade off in performance. Its just nasty and unpleasant.
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You know they devised a balance shaft or some such, made a smooth(ish) Harley, and got endless complaints. They know their market and it isn't you ;)
I think that this reflects what jackthebiker wrote about his Harleys. The Milwaukee-Eight and Revolution are very good engines from an engineering standpoint but those are not the engines that people like to tear down into molecules on Youtube. The older types cannot be used as a stressed member and need rubber mounts for lack of proper balancing. I think they are horrible from an engineering standpoint already when they were produced. But yes, I think that (nowadays) HD know what they are doing with their product range. And I genuinely appreciate the white-bearded guys that come to the biker cafés in the Stockholm area with their newly polished custom Harleys. Engineering principles aside, they are little works of art.
/Kranis
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True story.
I remember sitting one night in a bar in Zante one of the Greek islands speaking to a couple of local bikers.With my back to the road I remember hearing and saying Ah the unmistakable sound of Harley Davidson to which they started laughing.Turning around I saw a very old tractor rumbling past.
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Vibration in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, if it results from logical engineering compromises. For example, some of my hot rods with long overlap camshafts and solid motor mounts had somewhat of a lope and vibration at idle. The trade off was much higher performance at the expense of smoothness.
If vibration is due to ancient and obsolete technology that makes little sense in the modern world, then it is not a good thing. If a V-Twin vibrates itself to partial disassembly, there is no trade off in performance. Its just nasty and unpleasant.
So whats your take on the 2014 Indian Vintage I owned? Another piece of junk?
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Or my 2015 Indian Chieftain?
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Or my 2012 Victory Cross Roads LE? All obsolete V twins I guess.
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That is a beautiful bike, one of the best I have ever seen. I'm sure its running as good or better than it did new. I would be proud to own such a nice machine.
But if it has an uneven firing, vibration prone engine, its still using ancient, obsolete technology.
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All beautiful, well cared for machines, likely run far better than new. It doesn't change an inherently flawed engine design.
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Vibration in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, if it results from logical engineering compromises. For example, some of my hot rods with long overlap camshafts and solid motor mounts had somewhat of a lope and vibration at idle. The trade off was much higher performance at the expense of smoothness.
If vibration is due to ancient and obsolete technology that makes little sense in the modern world, then it is not a good thing. If a V-Twin vibrates itself to partial disassembly, there is no trade off in performance. Its just nasty and unpleasant.
You are confusing vibration inherent in a particular engine design or configuration with a camshaft timing derived engine idle condition. The lovely lope from a cammy V8 has nothing to do with design configuration derived primary, secondary and rocking couple vibration. These things are fixed by the design. You don't need to re balance engines every time you swap out a cam. What you feel as "vibration" at idle from a camed V8 is in fact engine movement transmitted to the chassis due to the uneven torque impulses from a rotating assembly accelerating and deceleration due to poor idle performance caused by long overlap cams that produce poor compression at idle and cranking speeds. It's not "engine vibration" per say in the context of the discussion here.
Phil
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Dang, Phil, you are pretty damned smart. And I mean that sincerely. :)
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Or my 2012 Victory Cross Roads LE? All obsolete V twins I guess.
Indian and Victory, the "thinking mans" Harley Davidson?
Phil
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Indian and Victory, the "Intelligent mans" Harley Davidson?
Phil
I wonder, Phil, do the Indian and Victory utilize that same weird firing thing? Where the pistons fire right after each other and all the fasteners loosen up and fall out.
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I wonder, Phil, do the Indian and Victory utilize that same weird firing thing? Where the pistons fire right after each other and all the fasteners loosen up and fall out.
I have never had any fasteners loosen on my 3 Harleys after over 50,000 miles. Please stop spreading false information or I will report you to the Disimformation Police. 8)
I had 4 Victorys and 2 Indians and they felt similar at idle, and for that matter so did my wife's Roadstars and my Stratoliner.
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Ok, but if I owned a Milwaukee vibrator, I'd buy stock in the Locktite corporation. :o
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I wonder, Phil, do the Indian and Victory utilize that same weird firing thing? Where the pistons fire right after each other and all the fasteners loosen up and fall out.
I assume so if they are aiming for the same Harley sound. The vibration issue with 45 deg V twins sharing a common crank pin is a fundamental design one due to the cylinder configuration not the firing interval. The firing interval is about the sound and the 45 deg architecture is about the "feel". In a Harley engine they are of course historically linked. You could make a 45 degree V twin with even firing intervals if you wanted to. The 45 deg single crank pin engine is more about style than function. Even a 90 deg v twin can be packaged these days to fit into the "cruiser" segment.
Phil
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My interwebs say "Front cylinder bang, rotate three hundred fifteen degrees, bang, rotate 405 degrees, bang, followed by sheer chaos.
In what universe does this make any sense?
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All this bantering back and forth about vibration etc some of you guys are either spoiled, simply soft or maybe like to be Cadillac pampered when riding a motorcycle! It’s too bad RE doesn’t put kickstart on their bikes anymore. That sure would Separate the men from the rosy palmed caleoused thumb types out there that’s for sure! :P
Joking :o
There’s a bike out there for everyone.
I'd love it if a kickstart was at least an option. I enjoy the hell out of kicking over my 77 KZ650 (long term project now, but it will live again), when properly tuned it started quicker than on the button.
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I vote for a kick starter as well.
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There’s a time and place for a bike with a kickstarter. Even a manual retard magneto and maybe a decompression lever has its place. Around the city, town, bumper to bumper stop and go traffic ain’t it. Rolling out of your drive for a romp out in the country or backwoods absolutely. Vibration, wooden brakes, the works. Throw in some high speed and you are really living. Not a joke.
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My interwebs say "Front cylinder bang, rotate three hundred fifteen degrees, bang, rotate 405 degrees, bang, followed by sheer chaos.
In what universe does this make any sense?
In the universe of "as simple as possible" several engine configurations were adopted over the years not due to purity and excellence of design but because they were expeditious and cost effective. The Triumph parallel twin for one. Unlike the British Ducati when they first decided to build a twin cylinder engine didn't go the cheapest and easiest route. The went for the "best engineering at the time" route. When they went the other route in later years it was a disaster, re the infamous Ducati "parallel twin"
Phil
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My interwebs say "Front cylinder bang, rotate three hundred fifteen degrees, bang, rotate 405 degrees, bang, followed by sheer chaos.
In what universe does this make any sense?
I've had H-Ds for decades and have traveled all over the USA. I sincerely wish you knew as much about them as you think you do.
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I've had H-Ds for decades and have traveled all over the USA. I sincerely wish you knew as much about them as you think you do.
I may not be as knowledgeable as some, but I know flawed technology when I see it. (or hear it)
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I admit to being mildly retarded. That said, someone please explain to me how this makes sense in a normal universe:
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My tiny brain tells me that much inherent imbalance is just asking for trouble.
I assume, from my limited research, that this was done a hundred years ago to increase torque, in a day and age where horsepower and torque were measured in single digits.
But what made good sense a hundred years ago is just dumb today.
Convince me I'm wrong.
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You are better going over to the Motto Guzzi owners or Harley Davidson owners website to get a better answer.
Take a helmet with you.
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Never ride without one. Only got a few brain cells left, can't afford to lose any more.
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I may not be as knowledgeable as some, but I know flawed technology when I see it. (or hear it)
You really should do some research before making comments like yours. When I came to the RE forums I had wrongly assumed that the childish HD bashing comments wouldn't exist as they are in Jap bike forums.
RE parallel twin engine tech is over a hundred twenty years old.
IF RE were to build a bike with 4inch pistons instead of small3inch pistons it will have same vibration.
Parallel twin versus Vertical twin has nothing to do with firing order.
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You really should do some research before making comments like yours. When I came to the RE forums I had wrongly assumed that the childish HD bashing comments wouldn't exist as they are in Jap bike forums.
RE engine tech is over a hundred twenty years old.
IF RE were to build a bike with 4inch pistons instead of 3inch pistons it will have same vibration.
Parallel twin versus Vertical twin has nothing to do with firing order.
My understanding, is the 650 twin is a new design.
The vibration I refer to is a result of two pistons firing one right after the other. The RE does not suffer from the same defect.
Research has been deep.
You are welcome.
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I don't care how little sense the HD V-twin makes in this day and age. I built a '62 Panhead chop in the mid 70s. I loved the feeling that mill put down. In 2014 I bought an 883 Super Low. I really liked that engine as well. The two most fun to ride street bikes for me were Buells-Blast and XB9SX. Boy would they go around a corner. The least fun bike I ever owned was the '81 Gelding. It handled well, but had an engine with no character. For me it has always about feeling. There is fun to be had anywhere. Find yours.
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I don't care how little sense the HD V-twin makes in this day and age. I built a '62 Panhead chop in the mid 70s. I loved the feeling that mill put down. In 2014 I bought an 883 Super Low. I really liked that engine as well. The two most fun to ride street bikes for me were Buells-Blast and XB9SX. Boy would they go around a corner. The least fun bike I ever owned was the '81 Gelding. It handled well, but had an engine with no character. For me it has always about feeling. There is fun to be had anywhere. Find yours.
Yeah, riding a castrated male horse has no character. I'd be the same if someone cut my balls off.
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Please stop. :o There are inherently balanced configurations for primary and/or secondary vibrations such a the 90 degree V-twin. Most are not. Therefore, engines may be equipped with balance shafts or "counter balancers". Given the vast number of variations of the angle between the cylinders in production bikes (0-180) as well as firing order, going for inherent balance is just one of many design parameters. BTW, The Milwaukee-Eight has counter balancers as does the Twin Cams for the Softtail. Most parallell twins today use the 270 degree firing pattern, regardless of origin.
/Kranis
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The problem is Royal Enfield now makes a electric start only twin. I didn't find this forum until I'd bought my Interceptor. I'm guessing there weren't a lot of complains about vibration, or Harley bashing, before that.
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I like biplanes, flying boats, airships, and
steam engines. I don't care that they're inferior and obsolete. I'll never get the change to fly in a PanAm clipper, or a Zeppelin, but I have been up in a Stearman. Loops, barrel rolls, hammerhead stalls. Way more fun than a flight from Denver to LA. A couple of passing National Guard A-10 Warthogs wagged their wings at us. They got it.
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I like biplanes, flying boats, airships, and
steam engines. I don't care that they're inferior and obsolete. I'll never get the change to fly in a PanAm clipper, or a Zeppelin, but I have been up in a Stearman. Loops, barrel rolls, hammerhead stalls. Way more fun than a flight from Denver to LA. A couple of passing National Guard A-10 Warthogs wagged their wings at us. They got it.
All hope is not gone.
https://www.straightlineaviation.com/ (https://www.straightlineaviation.com/)
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This Honda's the best, bin the rest! ;D
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_vf1000f.htm
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If Honda made a bike like the RE Interceptor, and with that legendary Honda four cylinder jewel.....
I'd pay double. And that is a fact.
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It's hard to believe that a thread could start with a story of a childish adult threatening another adult with a toy whip....
And spiral DOWNWARD from there.
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I have been justly reprimanded and have accepted my punishment. I thustly apologize with sincere fellatios.
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Old Alabama expression for persistence: "If at first you don't succeed, just keep right on a'sucking them seeds" ;D ;D ;D
Honda, Suzuki & Yamaha all made V-4's for a while, back in the days when we were their prime market and the dollar meant something. They are awesome until rebuild time ($$$) comes around, then the singles & twins start looking REAL GOOD. Gawd Bless Alan Hitchcock and the venerable old Bullet! ;D
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I admit to being mildly retarded. That said, someone please explain to me how this makes sense in a normal universe:
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My tiny brain tells me that much inherent imbalance is just asking for trouble.
I assume, from my limited research, that this was done a hundred years ago to increase torque, in a day and age where horsepower and torque were measured in single digits.
But what made good sense a hundred years ago is just dumb today.
Convince me I'm wrong.
If you want to know about engine balance then you can start with this. After that you can do some actual balancing. It's interesting work but fiddly and time consuming and requires some specialised equipment. I have some experience in doing Ducati engines under the guidance of an expert.
Phil
https://motochassis.com/Articles/EngineBalance/EngineBalance.pdf
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Old Alabama expression for persistence: "If at first you don't succeed, just keep right on a'sucking them seeds" ;D ;D ;D
Honda, Suzuki & Yamaha all made V-4's for a while, back in the days when we were their prime market and the dollar meant something. They are awesome until rebuild time ($$$) comes around, then the singles & twins start looking REAL GOOD. Gawd Bless Alan Hitchcock and the venerable old Bullet! ;D
God bless Alfred Hitchcock. Him and I used to ride dirt bikes together in the old days, and he always had spare parts he would sell me cheap. He always gave me the creeps, though. Him and our riding buddy Norman. Norman Bates, I think was his name. We would spend hours and hours working on our bikes at his mom's motel, drinking and trading parts.
Those were good times.
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If you want to know about engine balance then you can start with this. After that you can do some actual balancing. It's interesting work but fiddly and time consuming and requires some specialised equipment. I have some experience in doing Ducati engines under the guidance of an expert.
Phil
https://motochassis.com/Articles/EngineBalance/EngineBalance.pdf
Downloaded for future education. Thanks, Phil. Did you just add "Lucky" or did I just miss it all these years?
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Old Alabama expression for persistence: "If at first you don't succeed, just keep right on a'sucking them seeds" ;D ;D ;D
Honda, Suzuki & Yamaha all made V-4's for a while, back in the days when we were their prime market and the dollar meant something. They are awesome until rebuild time ($$$) comes around, then the singles & twins start looking REAL GOOD. Gawd Bless Alan Hitchcock and the venerable old Bullet! ;D
The mid 80s Honda V4s suffered from engine issues, bad (not harden correctly) cams, poor oiling of the cams. Mostly 750s. I rode Kawasakis, a KZ750, and then a KZ1100.
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I admit to being mildly retarded. That said, someone please explain to me how this makes sense in a normal universe:
I assume, from my limited research, that this was done a hundred years ago to increase torque, in a day and age where horsepower and torque were measured in single digits.
But what made good sense a hundred years ago is just dumb today.
Convince me I'm wrong.
After doing zero research, I've concluded that it made sense because:
They wanted to build an engine that fit into a bicycle frame
They wanted to build an engine with a short crankshaft. Probably so it only needed bearings at the ends, none in the middle.
They wanted to build a narrow engine (I know, they didn't foresee those stupid primary drives that came later)
Then people got used to it so they were stuck with it. Their singles, flat twins etc didn't survive.
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The mid 80s Honda V4s suffered from engine issues, bad (not harden correctly) cams, poor oiling of the cams. Mostly 750s. I rode Kawasakis, a KZ750, and then a KZ1100.
Soft cams on the Honda V4 was only a common issue on ‘83 and earlier and early ‘84 engines. My ‘84 V65 Magna had hardened cams and bigger oil ports to get get clean cool oil to the cams. Now some later engines did end up with soft cams but only after cam replacement because the profiles never changed.
I rode 200,000 plus miles on my V65 that already had 34,000 miles on it. I bought it as a basket case for $100 and it came with 2 spare engines. One ‘83 and one ‘85. The cams on the ‘83 were trashed so I send them to a guy in Canada that reground and resurfaced them with the cam profile for the 1000cc VF1000r interceptor and did his thing to harden them. Those were the cams I put 200,000 miles on. In that time I had to adjust the valves twice… first time was after a 1000 mile run in period and again at 100,000 miles. this bike ran Shell Rotella T4 conventional 15w40 and I religiously changed the oil every 5000 miles (approx). But the stock cams from the ‘84 engine and the ‘85 engine used a different alloy and manufacturing process and some kind of very thick plating…. I don’t pretend to understand the difference except I got enough when I sold them to a V65 collector to pay for the customs cams I used in my engine build. If the V65 had any kind of aftermarket support at all I would still be riding it… and I drive about 30,000 miles a year… 20k on a bike and 10k in my Jeep. My V65 Magna was the love of my life. Amelia (my Orange Crush Interceptor) is the new great love of my life…. Which BTW I have owned since August 2nd 2022 and I’m already chasing 6000 miles.
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It's hard to believe that a thread could start with a story of a childish adult threatening another adult with a toy whip....
And spiral DOWNWARD from there.
I’m not trying to bash Harleys. I like looking at them. They are awesome machines for what they are. I don’t enjoy riding them and I think they are way over priced. That being said, my big problem with HD is most HD owners. It’s like running into a Texas proud native Texan or a wrangler owner…. They have this smug F’ing attitude that they are the greatest that ever was or ever will be and nothing else matters. Kind of like running into a twighlight or supernatural fan girl.
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They have this smug F’ing attitude that they are the greatest that ever was or ever will be and nothing else matters. Kind of like running into a twighlight or supernatural fan girl.
Like some people in this tread.
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I’m not trying to bash Harleys. I like looking at them. They are awesome machines for what they are. I don’t enjoy riding them and I think they are way over priced. That being said, my big problem with HD is most HD owners. It’s like running into a Texas proud native Texan or a wrangler owner…. They have this smug F’ing attitude that they are the greatest that ever was or ever will be and nothing else matters. Kind of like running into a twighlight or supernatural fan girl.
This is one of the few logical statements on this thread. I love Harley’s. Love the ones I’ve had. I can’t deal with the douchebags that are 75% of their owners.
I just don’t get starting a thread about how lame Harley’s are. But I’m new to the forum and will prob get bashed for having an opinion.
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This is one of the few logical statements on this thread. I love Harley’s. Love the ones I’ve had. I can’t deal with the douchebags that are 75% of their owners.
I just don’t get starting a thread about how lame Harley’s are. But I’m new to the forum and will prob get bashed for having an opinion.
No bashing from me. I love motorcycles. Tall ones, short ones, thin ones and Fat Boys.
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It’s like running into a Texas proud native Texan or a wrangler owner…. They have this smug F’ing attitude that they are the greatest that ever was or ever will be and nothing else matters. Kind of like running into a twighlight or supernatural fan girl.
Isnt that how the world sees Americans..The teenagers of the world :D
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The most dangerous and inconsiderate riders I see aren't young guys on 200 horsepower sport bikes. EVERY TIME it's a Harley. Every darned time.
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This is one of the few logical statements on this thread. I love Harley’s. Love the ones I’ve had. I can’t deal with the douchebags that are 75% of their owners.
I just don’t get starting a thread about how lame Harley’s are. But I’m new to the forum and will prob get bashed for having an opinion.
Well…. When I started the thread… it was about how lame one particular HD rider was…. After that it took on a life of its own
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Well…. When I started the thread… it was about how lame one particular HD rider was…. After that it took on a life of its own
Took on a life that you gave birth too and you had no idea there would be childish comments. yeah. right.
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Took on a life that you gave birth too and you had no idea there would be childish comments. yeah. right.
Whatever dude. My threads usually die on the second page. So believe what you want, have a good day. Happy Sabbath
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Took on a life that you gave birth too and you had no idea there would be childish comments. yeah. right.
Childish comments on an internet forum??????????
I'm shocked. :o :o :o
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This is one of the few logical statements on this thread. I love Harley’s. Love the ones I’ve had. I can’t deal with the douchebags that are 75% of their owners.
I just don’t get starting a thread about how lame Harley’s are. But I’m new to the forum and will prob get bashed for having an opinion.
Please, no apostrophe in Harleys.
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Whatever dude. My threads usually die on the second page. So believe what you want, have a good day. Happy Sabbath
Don't worry about it. Stereotypes don't come about by accident.
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Wouldn't mind owning a Harley at some stage! There are some really cool models!
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This is one of the few logical statements on this thread. I love Harley’s. Love the ones I’ve had. I can’t deal with the douchebags that are 75% of their owners.
I just don’t get starting a thread about how lame Harley’s are. But I’m new to the forum and will prob get bashed for having an opinion.
There isn’t a single bit of logic in your quote, it is the propagation of a stereotype. Change it out to Dodge Rams or Tesla owners or … you choose, it works the same. It is a stereotype not logical.
Disclosure. I don’t like Harleys. I don’t like golf either. It is true that I don’t have any friends who have a Harley but I do have friends who love golf as much as I love boating. Vive la difference.
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There isn’t a single bit of logic in your quote, it is the propagation of a stereotype. Change it out to Dodge Rams or Tesla owners or … you choose, it works the same. It is a stereotype not logical.
Disclosure. I don’t like Harleys. I don’t like golf either. It is true that I don’t have any friends who have a Harley but I do have friends who love golf as much as I love boating. Vive la difference.
The two "best" days of boat ownership.....the day you "buy it" and the day you "sell it" ;D
Phil
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"BOAT"; acronym - "Break Out Another Thousand"... ;D
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The two "best" days of boat ownership.....the day you "buy it" and the day you "sell it" ;D
Phil
Also the hundreds of days spent skiing and boarding and footing with the kids and friends in between.
Dont forget those days. They're worth more than gold.
If I still had all the money I've spent on my boat, towing, fuel, camping and the rest, I would've probably wasted it.
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The two "best" days of boat ownership.....the day you "buy it" and the day you "sell it" ;D
Phil
Same for a Jeep owner.
Facts
Jeep mean Just Empty Every Pocket
It’s a pit in the field you just through money into
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Also the hundreds of days spent skiing and boarding and footing with the kids and friends in between.
Dont forget those days. They're worth more than gold.
If I still had all the money I've spent on my boat, towing, fuel, camping and the rest, I would've probably wasted it.
Here's what I remember about boats as a kid. Helping dad maintain our clinker ski boat he built himself (flathead Ford powered) Helping him build our next outboard ski boat. Helping him make dozens of water ski's for us and every man and his dog. Being taught how to water ski before I could swim (I got up on 2 ski's the first time I tried it, wonder why) dragging boats up a steep 40 meter long boat ramp at the ski club on the Hawkesbury River with either the car and rope or a tractor. Hundreds of skiing trips. Buy the time I was in my mid teens I'd had enough of boats. As an adult I had friends with cruisers and fishing boats and it confirmed my decision for the rest of my life to give them a wide birth, lol. The boats that is, and the friends whenever they dragged them into dry dock.
Phil
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Here's what I remember about boats as a kid. Helping dad maintain our clinker ski boat he built himself (flathead Ford powered) Helping him build our next outboard ski boat. Helping him make dozens of water ski's for us and every man and his dog. Being taught how to water ski before I could swim (I got up on 2 ski's the first time I tried it, wonder why) dragging boats up a steep 40 meter long boat ramp at the ski club on the Hawkesbury River with either the car and rope or a tractor. Hundreds of skiing trips. Buy the time I was in my mid teens I'd had enough of boats. As an adult I had friends with cruisers and fishing boats and it confirmed my decision for the rest of my life to give them a wide birth, lol. The boats that is, and the friends whenever they dragged them into dry dock.
Phil
Yet another example of someone who continually tries to enforce their values, beliefs and assessment of the value of various attributes on everybody else.
You would deny the amazing experiences and memories that some people create on the water with their boats as a vessel (see what I did there) just because it doesn’t appeal to you?
Go look up Johari’s window for goodness sake.
And yes I am grumpy because I’m sick of the Covid again.
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Yet another example of someone who continually tries to enforce their values, beliefs and assessment of the value of various attributes on everybody else.
You would deny the amazing experiences and memories that some people create on the water with their boats as a vessel (see what I did there) just because it doesn’t appeal to you?
Go look up Johari’s window for goodness sake.
And yes I am grumpy because I’m sick of the Covid again.
I'm just giving you my experiences and opinion. BTW I'm joining you. Got Covid for the first time 7 days ago, the wife 4 days ago. The first 3 days in bed 24/7 and zero energy since then. I'm double vaxed and the wife quad vaxed. She's not anywhere near suffering like me. Very tedious.
Phil
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I'm not seeing Lucky Phil "enforcing" anything, just sharing his take on boats in a written format. From his description he certainly had some good experiences growing up in boats. He "aged out" of boats and went on to pursue other hobbies. "By the time I was in my mid teens I'd had enough of boats." Folks "age out" of hobbies all the time for reasons of their own. That factoid has permitted me to own & appreciate a lot more 2-wheeled hardware; as they lose interest, I swoop on with my "Golden Valley Bankroll" of $1 bills rubber banded together. ;D
As far as denying experiences, that's pretty much what you are doing when you refuse to accept that some folks just don't share your enthusiasm for boating. It's a big universe, the less folks that play in your sandbox just leaves more room for you, right? It certainly doesn't mean you can't enjoy your chosen hobby.
Covid? I thought that was over...wait...the Bill Gates nanobots from my vaccines are saying that the Illiterati have just released new flu & RSV viruses...
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I'm just giving you my experiences and opinion. BTW I'm joining you. Got Covid for the first time 7 days ago, the wife 4 days ago. The first 3 days in bed 24/7 and zero energy since then. I'm double vaxed and the wife quad vaxed. She's not anywhere near suffering like me. Very tedious.
Phil
None of my family under my roof have had it yet, despite son being at uni. We are all fully vaccinated because I work in a hospital.
My wider circle are on their second and third rounds..
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Here's what I remember about boats as a kid. Helping dad maintain our clinker ski boat he built himself (flathead Ford powered) Helping him build our next outboard ski boat. Helping him make dozens of water ski's for us and every man and his dog. Being taught how to water ski before I could swim (I got up on 2 ski's the first time I tried it, wonder why) dragging boats up a steep 40 meter long boat ramp at the ski club on the Hawkesbury River with either the car and rope or a tractor. Hundreds of skiing trips. Buy the time I was in my mid teens I'd had enough of boats. As an adult I had friends with cruisers and fishing boats and it confirmed my decision for the rest of my life to give them a wide birth, lol. The boats that is, and the friends whenever they dragged them into dry dock.
Phil
That's too bad. I wish my dad had made time to do things like that with his kids when I was little.
My kids have grown up with our old Skicraft. The oldest one's partner loves coming out with us too, and the youngest one's friends. So it's been a great way to keep the family doing something together as we get older. Sure it takes a bit of time and money to keep it going but it's totally worth it to me. Luckily, it's not a wooden boat (BTDT sailing) with a car engine so not super complicated.
(also, I got up on skis first time I tried, too. Wakeboard also. I dunno how people make it look so difficult. Dry start slalom, a bit longer but that's partially the driver's skills that make it easy or hard).
Good times.
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I'm just giving you my experiences and opinion. BTW I'm joining you. Got Covid for the first time 7 days ago, the wife 4 days ago. The first 3 days in bed 24/7 and zero energy since then. I'm double vaxed and the wife quad vaxed. She's not anywhere near suffering like me. Very tedious.
Phil
Yes it is tedious. Worse for me than last time. Hope you don’t get night sweats as they are doing my head in. Only joy is so far wife and kids are free of it. Hope you recover well.
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I'm not seeing Lucky Phil "enforcing" anything, just sharing his take on boats in a written format. From his description he certainly had some good experiences growing up in boats. He "aged out" of boats and went on to pursue other hobbies. "By the time I was in my mid teens I'd had enough of boats." Folks "age out" of hobbies all the time for reasons of their own. That factoid has permitted me to own & appreciate a lot more 2-wheeled hardware; as they lose interest, I swoop on with my "Golden Valley Bankroll" of $1 bills rubber banded together. ;D
As far as denying experiences, that's pretty much what you are doing when you refuse to accept that some folks just don't share your enthusiasm for boating. It's a big universe, the less folks that play in your sandbox just leaves more room for you, right? It certainly doesn't mean you can't enjoy your chosen hobby.
Covid? I thought that was over...wait...the Bill Gates nanobots from my vaccines are saying that the Illiterati have just released new flu & RSV viruses...
This is what I said tiger
“I do have friends who love golf as much as I love boating. Vive la difference.”
If you think that means everyone should like boating then your comprehension issues are continuing. Sorry now that I unhid your post. Most be the COVID
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None of my family under my roof have had it yet, despite son being at uni. We are all fully vaccinated because I work in a hospital.
My wider circle are on their second and third rounds..
Wow that is impressive! My UK friends are getting the newer bivalent boosters now. I would hope (not really appropriate to assume with this Government) that we will have access to those before next winter.
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Here's exactly what you said in the post under discussion, "tiger". I think it was generally perceived as a dig at L.P. , not about expressing any particular magnanimity towards others opinions. If you need to hide from posts and make self-aggrandizing Kabuki logic pronouncements about others comprehension, maybe the mirror needs to turn inward.
Yet another example of someone who continually tries to enforce their values, beliefs and assessment of the value of various attributes on everybody else.
You would deny the amazing experiences and memories that some people create on the water with their boats as a vessel (see what I did there) just because it doesn’t appeal to you?
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Guys we need to respect other people's opinions and thoughts.Lets share and learn.I sit shoulder to shoulder at bike meets with Honda cub owners Harley riders and scooter boys.We just talk about two wheeled sometimes three wheeled motorcycles.Peace. love and happiness.✌️✌️
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Yet another example of someone who continually tries to enforce their values, beliefs and assessment of the value of various attributes on everybody else.
You would deny the amazing experiences and memories that some people create on the water with their boats as a vessel (see what I did there) just because it doesn’t appeal to you?
Go look up Johari’s window for goodness sake.
And yes I am grumpy because I’m sick of the Covid again.
Current events and government mentality have the masses convinced everything is "the vid". The was an auto accident here yesterday. The government controlled media concluded the victim died of the dreaded "vid".
Question everything.
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The two "best" days of boat ownership.....the day you "buy it" and the day you "sell it" ;D
Phil
Sounds like you bought the wrong boat ;) :)
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Sounds like you bought the wrong boat ;) :)
I've never owned a boat. But I know plenty that have. The total running cost/maintenance and headache to enjoyment factor ratio never really added up to me.
Phil
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Wooden boat ownership can be a trial, depending on what your goals are. A coworker related a sad tale to me of how he as a young man helped another friend spend several weekends varnishing & caulking that worthy's sail boat. They'd start early Saturday morning, scraping, sanding, calking, varnishing, all the while watching as the owner of an adjacent fibreglass hull sailing vessel simply loaded up his boat with food, drinks & young lovelies and sailed away for the day. Their dock neighbors vessel would return the next afternoon with all aboard looking sunburned, a bit bleary & thoroughly satisfied. My coworker determined that maybe a fiberglass hull was the better option... ;D ;D ;D
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Wooden boat ownership can be a trial, depending on what your goals are. A coworker related a sad tale to me of how he as a young man helped another friend spend several weekends varnishing & caulking that worthy's sail boat. They'd start early Saturday morning, scraping, sanding, calking, varnishing, all the while watching as the owner of an adjacent fibreglass hull sailing vessel simply loaded up his boat with food, drinks & young lovelies and sailed away for the day. Their dock neighbors vessel would return the next afternoon with all aboard looking sunburned, a bit bleary & thoroughly satisfied. My coworker determined that maybe a fiberglass hull was the better option... ;D ;D ;D
Yes, I have had both and now only have fiberglass. It depends on what you like to do, some like to work on boats and others like to sail them too.
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Mine's fibreglass, but I do like to look at a nice clinker-built boat.
Most wooden sailboat owners I know of will sail in summer and sand & varnish in winter. Seems to work.
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Mine's fibreglass, but I do like to look at a nice clinker-built boat.
Most wooden sailboat owners I know of will sail in summer and sand & varnish in winter. Seems to work.
As long as you never let up, you will do fine, but it doesn't take much for big problems to develop. I was once in a sailing club that bought a 65 foot wood powerboat as a clubhouse and our one full-time employee was busy doing something to that boat about every single day. No way I could keep up with something like that and still have a job!
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I don't think I'd buy a 65ft wooden boat, unless I had the necessary staff!
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Trying to stay in topic, or at least motorcycle related, trying to turn a new leaf.
Has anyone towed a wooden boat with their motorcycle?
Does anyone have a wooden motorcycle? What is maintenance like ?
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Does anyone have a wooden motorcycle? What is maintenance like ?
Just add motor.
https://www.kozy.com/product/mud-cycles-mud-wood-30283.htm
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Why having your fuel "varnish up" may not always be a bad thing....
https://www.app.com/story/news/local/culture/2017/03/23/check-out-stafford-residents-wooden-motorcycle/99440722/
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I'm a new RE INT owner. The other night, I was riding on the freeway near home for the 1st time ever. I'm experiencing some serious wind buffeting and I was a little nervous but the average speed on freeways here is about 75mph. So I was doing my best to do that fast while limiting the wind beating me up by tucking down a bit and this lady on a big HD cruiser rides right up to my rear then passes me really close in my lane then cuts in front of me...I suppose she was trying to tell me her bike is better than mine. I was a little surprised that a fellow rider would be so dickish but I'm finding out fast that HD owners are complete toolbags. Crazy.
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I'm a new RE INT owner. The other night, I was riding on the freeway near home for the 1st time ever. I'm experiencing some serious wind buffeting and I was a little nervous but the average speed on freeways here is about 75mph. So I was doing my best to do that fast while limiting the wind beating me up by tucking down a bit and this lady on a big HD cruiser rides right up to my rear then passes me really close in my lane then cuts in front of me...I suppose she was trying to tell me her bike is better than mine. I was a little surprised that a fellow rider would be so dickish but I'm finding out fast that HD owners are complete toolbags. Crazy.
The more amazing thing … not too many occasions where a Harley rider passes anyone
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I'm a new RE INT owner. The other night, I was riding on the freeway near home for the 1st time ever. I'm experiencing some serious wind buffeting and I was a little nervous but the average speed on freeways here is about 75mph. So I was doing my best to do that fast while limiting the wind beating me up by tucking down a bit and this lady on a big HD cruiser rides right up to my rear then passes me really close in my lane then cuts in front of me...I suppose she was trying to tell me her bike is better than mine. I was a little surprised that a fellow rider would be so dickish but I'm finding out fast that HD owners are complete toolbags. Crazy.
Welcome to the forum.
Maybe it was as simple as she roughed you up a little as her way of saying ~ get your skinny boy butt up to speed or get out of the way ... ;)
Anyway, welcome.
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Does anyone have a wooden motorcycle? What is maintenance like ?
It wooden start. ::)
Mine's fibreglass, but I do like to look at a nice clinker-built boat.
Mine is the best of both: It's a clinker hull but made in fibreglass. Perfect.
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I'm a new RE INT owner. The other night, I was riding on the freeway near home for the 1st time ever. I'm experiencing some serious wind buffeting and I was a little nervous but the average speed on freeways here is about 75mph. So I was doing my best to do that fast while limiting the wind beating me up by tucking down a bit and this lady on a big HD cruiser rides right up to my rear then passes me really close in my lane then cuts in front of me...I suppose she was trying to tell me her bike is better than mine. I was a little surprised that a fellow rider would be so dickish but I'm finding out fast that HD owners are complete toolbags. Crazy.
Welcome aboard mate, dont worry about certain poster's 'hoile then thou' attitude, you'll get used to it ;).
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I'm a new RE INT owner. The other night, I was riding on the freeway near home for the 1st time ever. I'm experiencing some serious wind buffeting and I was a little nervous but the average speed on freeways here is about 75mph. So I was doing my best to do that fast while limiting the wind beating me up by tucking down a bit and this lady on a big HD cruiser rides right up to my rear then passes me really close in my lane then cuts in front of me...I suppose she was trying to tell me her bike is better than mine. I was a little surprised that a fellow rider would be so dickish but I'm finding out fast that HD owners are complete toolbags. Crazy.
Welcome.
At least you weren't "get back" whipped, I suppose. You're right, they are not like the rest of us. Like vegans and bicyclists, they inhabit a different reality to rest of us.
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I'm a new RE INT owner. The other night, I was riding on the freeway near home for the 1st time ever. I'm experiencing some serious wind buffeting and I was a little nervous but the average speed on freeways here is about 75mph. So I was doing my best to do that fast while limiting the wind beating me up by tucking down a bit and this lady on a big HD cruiser rides right up to my rear then passes me really close in my lane then cuts in front of me...I suppose she was trying to tell me her bike is better than mine. I was a little surprised that a fellow rider would be so dickish but I'm finding out fast that HD owners are complete toolbags. Crazy.
Or just wanted a look at your machine? She might even have noticed your discomfort and been offering you the chance to draft her slipstream.
I wouldn't necessarily read malicious intent into another bike sharing a lane with me. A guy who used to work where I do would carry 1/2" ball bearings in his jacket pocket to flip over his shoulder as an indication of displeasure. Barring one of those in the face, or getting flipped off, spit on, or followed 10 miles and threatened with a "get back whip", I'd assume it's all butterfly kisses and marshmallow dreams.
Harley riders I've crossed paths with, have been very accepting of my RE, tons more so than any Japanese built machine. Some have been quite enthusiastic. Also, I think the HD riders are probably the MOST likely to pull over and render aid if they see a disabled bike.
Considering that, at least in the US, where I ride, motorcycles represent less than 3% of registered vehicles, and
only around 0.6% of vehicle miles traveled, it's very much in our best interest that we try to maintain some sense
of fraternity and try to avoid the tribalism.
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Welcome.
At least you weren't "get back" whipped, I suppose. You're right, they are not like the rest of us. Like vegans and bicyclists, they inhabit a different reality to rest of us.
I feel triggered. Next time I'm riding my bamboo bike in your neck of the woods... you'd better lay low.
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Welcome.
At least you weren't "get back" whipped, I suppose. You're right, they are not like the rest of us. Like vegans and bicyclists, they inhabit a different reality to rest of us.
Gizzo, besides my GT, there are 7 bicycles in my garage, one that cost considerably more than the GT…
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I feel triggered. Next time I'm riding my bamboo bike in your neck of the woods... you'd better lay low.
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If I see you coming along on your bamboo bike dressed in lycra and packing 16 inches of anal beads, you can bet I'm laying low ;D ;D ;D
Gizzo, besides my GT, there are 7 bicycles in my garage, one that cost considerably more than the GT…
That's terrific. There's one or two in my shed, too.
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I'm a new RE INT owner. The other night, I was riding on the freeway near home for the 1st time ever. I'm experiencing some serious wind buffeting and I was a little nervous but the average speed on freeways here is about 75mph. So I was doing my best to do that fast while limiting the wind beating me up by tucking down a bit and this lady on a big HD cruiser rides right up to my rear then passes me really close in my lane then cuts in front of me...I suppose she was trying to tell me her bike is better than mine. I was a little surprised that a fellow rider would be so dickish but I'm finding out fast that HD owners are complete toolbags. Crazy.
Damn your one lucky SOB !!! To have met the only person in your life thats "dickish" and they just happen to be on an HD. CRAZY !!!
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I'm a new RE INT owner. The other night, I was riding on the freeway near home for the 1st time ever. I'm experiencing some serious wind buffeting and I was a little nervous but the average speed on freeways here is about 75mph. So I was doing my best to do that fast while limiting the wind beating me up by tucking down a bit and this lady on a big HD cruiser rides right up to my rear then passes me really close in my lane then cuts in front of me...I suppose she was trying to tell me her bike is better than mine. I was a little surprised that a fellow rider would be so dickish but I'm finding out fast that HD owners are complete toolbags. Crazy.
There was a time in my life I would have chased her.Try to get past her to show who's the boss.Now? just makes me smile.
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Does anyone have a wooden motorcycle? What is maintenance like ?
I did join of a cult group of carpenters that branched out and formed a splinter group to ply their trade on wooden motorcycles.
Very soon I saw the error of my ways and turned over a new leaf and left before the rot set in. A close shave!
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Mine is the best of both: It's a clinker hull but made in fibreglass. Perfect.
Good combination. There was a proposal here years ago to allow those race in a particular class, but the traditionalists blocked it. Pity.
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Baggers on the High Bank
(https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34107.0;attach=75485;image)
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Damn your one lucky SOB !!! To have met the only person in your life thats "dickish" and they just happen to be on an HD. CRAZY !!!
This^
Try driving around the DC Beltway and corresponding each dick move to a vehicle type and pretty soon you will hate everything on 2 wheels up to 18 wheels ::)
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Baggers on the High Bank
(https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34107.0;attach=75485;image)
Genuinely, those King of the Baggers races are so incredibly fun to watch. Super impressive riding.
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When I joined the RE community I couldn’t get over how many people complained about the seat height on what I thought was a pretty small lowish bike.
Those baggers are jacked up to the max in order to get done ground clearance. Many of the racers can’t touch the ground.
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Gizzo, besides my GT, there are 7 bicycles in my garage, one that cost considerably more than the GT…
;D ;D ;D
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Good combination. There was a proposal here years ago to allow those race in a particular class, but the traditionalists blocked it. Pity.
That's weird. Down here I think that a lot of the rear mount clinker hull boats used to be ski race boats before they retired to social skiing.
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;D ;D ;D
😂
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Good combination. There was a proposal here years ago to allow those race in a particular class, but the traditionalists blocked it. Pity.
These boats??
(https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/sc0518/sc0518-340524/images/1-1522188278783@2x.jpg?1524603461000)
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These boats??
(https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/sc0518/sc0518-340524/images/1-1522188278783@2x.jpg?1524603461000)
Whoa! I want to see a Barbie vs Haulover Inlet vijeo in that bad girl
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I had a short fling with 3 point outboards when I was young.
This one wasn't mine (I was in the era of Instamatic cameras)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XAudfCeFOSM/S-3VZSkfmqI/AAAAAAAAAZw/cRYgnsNYQhU/s1600/Hydroplane.jpg)
Do they make electric ones yet?
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Whoa! I want to see a Barbie vs Haulover Inlet vijeo in that bad girl
When those boats race it is insane, they have "roll cages" to keep the other boats from flipping onto you and cutting your head off :o
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Wait...This was a , what, motorcycle forum?
I'm just as guilty I guess.
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When those boats race it is insane, they have "roll cages" to keep the other boats from flipping onto you and cutting your head off :o
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Wow, they look wild.
Here's some boat racing silliness from closer to home.
Jet sprint
https://youtu.be/21qrnID0Ab8
Tinny racing
https://youtu.be/Jxw07enzZ2c
Southern 80
https://youtu.be/HZ5sLPcWsDY
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I am trying to work out a connection between motorcycles and boats? That's it! sometimes a motorcycle can ride through water.😏
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A boat on a trailer is like a boat with 2 wheels!
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Maybe it's because the 650 is a bit of a barge, or maybe it would make a good anchor.
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Maybe it's because the 650 is a bit of a barge, or maybe it would make a good anchor.
Or you can only say you don't like Harleys in so many ways ::)