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on: September 17, 2021, 06:19:02 am
https://hiconsumption.com/best-beginner-motorcycles/

In the "beginner bikes" section the price is listed as $2520...add $1000 for shipping, etc. and it's still well under $4K for this India-built Honda, right there with the Chinese hardware. Maybe in 2022...something to help sell the 300 Rebel?
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Reply #1 on: September 17, 2021, 05:56:49 pm
I think the author of that article was smoking something.

He lists the Cleveland Cyclewerks Heist as a good beginners bike.
        It's a hardtail.
        Although you can still buy a new one on Cycletrader from old dealer stock, I don't think they have been produced since 2016.
        Cleveland Cyclewerks is up for sale, the partners parted ways.

The price listed for CB350 H'Ness is the (original?) India price converted to US$.  By that calculus, we should be able to buy Interceptors for $4K and Meteors for $2700.  It doesn't seem to work that way.

I doubt we'll see the H'Ness in the US, but it could happen, ... IF US sales numbers for the Meteor are impressive enough.
Export sales of the H'Ness, for those countries it was exported to, have NOT been very impressive.
https://www.rushlane.com/honda-cb350-sales-cross-18k-units-new-may-2021-price-list-12401860.html

Speaking of smoking something, A YZF-R3 is a suitable beginner bike, but the RE Meteor doesn't make the list?

And what about the Suzuki S40?  With a seat 3" lower than the Yamaha, 20 fewer horsepower, and only 6 lbs heavier, with a nice low CG and forgiving cruiser handling, that seems more suitable for the task to my mind, although I would have thought the relatively low tech used on the bike would have resulted in a lower price tag.  Suzuki announced they were withdrawing the S40 two years ago, but apparently changed their mind, maybe because of pandemic related demand? 

Too bad they didn't bring back the GZ250.  It wasn't that long ago, that Suzuki was able to sell their Marauder small single in the US, for a list price of $3999.  I hear that the GZ250 was being used in a lot of MSF training courses.  I wonder what machine has replaced it?


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Reply #3 on: September 18, 2021, 05:20:26 am
Nice pix!

I have to agree, the H'Ness is a fine looking bike and something I could ride here around here the city every day.  But, I can't imagine it doing anything that much better than my RE C5, or saving enough gas money to justify its purchase, unless it was 2nd hand and priced under market, like my C5 was.  But the biggest problem is that Honda Big Wing, so far, does not see fit to to bring it to the US.  It's the same problem we have with the Yamaha S400.

An interesting beginner bike I CAN apparently get here in the US, is this slightly strange looking, but not ugly, long stroke 49x66mm, 250cc V Twin, machine, in what I'd call a "standard" configuration.  18.1 hp claimed, a 30 inch seat, and only 283 lbs for $3500.  The Buccaneer Classic and Buccaneer Cafe:  http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/street/buccaneer_classic.php

I think these SSR machines are distributed by Benelli USA, which apparently has quite a few dealers.
http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/dealer_locator.php

Interesting, but I have to admit that I'm even more attracted to SSR's "Lazer 6"  http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/moped/lazer6.php
An MSRP of $1600 percolates my interest, but I think it's the styling.  I haven't seen anything that cool with pedals, since, never.  And that's twice the HP I can get from one of those add on Chinese two strokes.

I used to think that I wanted a Yamaha FS-1  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_FS1
Or the Sachs G3   https://www.bike-urious.com/1980-sachs-g3-5051d/, admitted more show than go.
or even the Honda SS50  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_SS50


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Reply #4 on: September 18, 2021, 05:45:36 am
The Buccaneer 250 is a favorite of mine. That "hammer" motor has been around for 20+ years, and the Buccaneers standard frame appeal to me, a tiny SV650...
I think the Buccaneer is ideal. 17 inch wheels for reasonable seat height, disc brakes, 4 gallons of fuel, about 70+ MPG, a carb, electronic ignition. 18 HP means it's good to +60 MPH. With only 280 pounds of weight, that really takes the mechanical strain out of the equation. Less weight means less to lug around in the garage & in the parking lot, a big deal as we all age out. Anything to extend the time we can enjoy the sport is good. For those of us under 5'10" or so, a really fun package.
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Reply #5 on: September 18, 2021, 10:23:33 am

Cleveland Cyclewerks is up for sale, the partners parted ways.


Really, when did this happen, and where did you read about it?


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Reply #6 on: September 18, 2021, 10:27:45 am
I'm even more attracted to SSR's "Lazer 6"  http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/moped/lazer6.php
An MSRP of $1600 percolates my interest, but I think it's the styling.  I haven't seen anything that cool with pedals, since, never. 
That made me smile, very rare when I look at new bikes! I'd have one!
No wonder we no longer have a motor industry


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Reply #7 on: September 18, 2021, 03:51:46 pm
Looks like a candidate for the Piranha 212cc, 5 speed Pit Bike motor! Bandages optional...

https://tboltusa.com/store/piranha-212cc-2v-five-speed-electric-start-engine-p-11153.html
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Reply #8 on: September 18, 2021, 04:06:10 pm
Apparently Cleveland CycleWerks is still going strong - here's the Ace 400/250 spec sheet:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5eac817a2777e76f3d4c0a86/t/5efceb76fc8c7a2633c6259f/1593633654845/CCW+Ace+Gen+1.5+Specifications-WEB.pdf 

CycleWerks got its start in 2009, making gas motorcycles. In 2019, Colosimo and his business partner parted ways, which caused the company to scale back, but also to refocus. Cleveland CycleWerks currently has seven full-time employees.Mar 28, 2020
Cleveland CycleWerks launches new e-motorcycle - Crain's Cleveland ...https://www.crainscleveland.com › manufacturing › clevel.
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Reply #9 on: September 18, 2021, 05:59:58 pm

Really, when did this happen, and where did you read about it?
Very recently I guess,

I noticed that clicking on "order" for any of their machines resulted in being sent to this page:
https://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/contact

and found this article:
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/cleveland-cyclewerks-up-for-sale-167412.html


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Reply #10 on: September 18, 2021, 06:32:00 pm
Axman88 - Good find, that autoevolution article was dated 16 Aug 2021, far more recent than my info.
So he’s looking to see if he currently has four employees in the United States, a general manager in China, and a buyer who wants to buy a company that has relationships with other countries. Colosimo said the CCW model was “highly profitable” and the company was profitable, but added that “I don’t know if there are any buyers there.”

nicholastanguma - here's your ground floor opportunity to actualize your engineering dreams...get that checkbook out!
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Reply #11 on: September 29, 2021, 11:41:29 am
I'm not sure these are beginner bikes anymore with all the traffic on the road, you never get a chance to open up unless you are on a freeway.


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Reply #12 on: October 03, 2021, 09:49:41 pm
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/202004309125203
As there's no news of the H'ness coming to the UK and nothing about the release of the Benelli 530 Imperiale...
I think the 400 (370cc) is going to be the replacement for my ElectraX.
I know it's the wrong time of year for selling bikes but it looks like I'll be polishing my Bullet next weekend and getting it an MoT...
No wonder we no longer have a motor industry


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Reply #13 on: October 03, 2021, 11:18:50 pm
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/202004309125203
As there's no news of the H'ness coming to the UK and nothing about the release of the Benelli 530 Imperiale...
I think the 400 (370cc) is going to be the replacement for my ElectraX.
I know it's the wrong time of year for selling bikes but it looks like I'll be polishing my Bullet next weekend and getting it an MoT...
The Imperiale is an attractive bike, no doubt.  But, I don't think we'll be seeing that offered for sale here in Harley country either.   I wonder why they left the kick starter off, that's quite an oversight.


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Reply #14 on: October 04, 2021, 07:55:36 pm
Why would it need a kickstart?  ???
I gave up kicking bikes the same time as 2 stroke oil  :o
No wonder we no longer have a motor industry