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on: May 04, 2020, 03:56:04 pm
What semi synthetic oil would you recommend for a 2018 535 continental GT, Book says 15W 50 Semi synthetic, But in my part of UK seems a bit shy of it.
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Reply #1 on: May 04, 2020, 04:08:30 pm
By the way it's only done 90 miles.


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Reply #2 on: May 04, 2020, 04:18:20 pm
Engine oil. Mineral oil for the break in period.
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Reply #3 on: May 04, 2020, 04:31:54 pm
Book recommends Semi synthetic, So unsure about Mineral, Just want to do an oil change and put back in storage.
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Reply #4 on: May 04, 2020, 07:46:20 pm
I never had any complaints with Castrol GTX in my Norton Commando back in the day in the UK, but that was more decades ago than I care to remember.

Nowadays I understand Castrol sells a semi-synthetic 15W-50 called "Castrol Power1 4T" in the UK that's also JAS0 MA2 compliant for your Conti's clutch. Details at: https://www.castrol.com/en_gb/united-kingdom/home/motorcycle-oil-and-fluids/motorcycle-engine-oils/engine-oil-by-brand/castrol-power1.html#tab_power1-4t-15w-50
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Reply #5 on: May 04, 2020, 11:00:32 pm
Just want to do an oil change and put back in storage.


Oh right. If it's just storage oil, you'll change it again before you start using it, so use whatever. Rotella from Walmart sounds like a cheap option.
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Reply #6 on: May 04, 2020, 11:22:28 pm
I haven't used this oil yet, but from the analysis I found online, looks to me a lot like a 50 weight Rotella T5, and had some good internet reviews so I bought myself a jug of this.  It'll be in my engine within the next two weeks.

https://www.zoro.com/mystik-diesel-engine-oil-15w-40-synth-blnd-2gal-625776002078/i/G3376751/feature-product?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhoORmp2b6QIVAr7ACh2bfgU0EAQYBCABEgJPgfD_BwE

The SDS for this product says, "Mystik is a registered trademark of CITGO Petroleum Corporation"

Mystik is out of Houston Texas.  https://www.mystiklubes.com/Product.do?code=663004002


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Reply #7 on: May 04, 2020, 11:24:41 pm
I haven't used this oil yet, but from the analysis I found online, looks to me a lot like a 50 weight Rotella T5, and had some good internet reviews so I bought myself a jug of this.  It'll be in my engine within the next two weeks.

https://www.zoro.com/mystik-diesel-engine-oil-15w-40-synth-blnd-2gal-625776002078/i/G3376751/feature-product?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhoORmp2b6QIVAr7ACh2bfgU0EAQYBCABEgJPgfD_BwE

The SDS for this product says, "Mystik is a registered trademark of CITGO Petroleum Corporation"

Mystik is out of Houston Texas.  https://www.mystiklubes.com/Product.do?code=663004002

Does your 2018 535GT have a catalytic convertor?


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Reply #8 on: May 05, 2020, 09:18:29 am
I've been using 10W40 in the UK, I struggled to find 15w50 over here that wasn't silly price. Bike has not exploded, (though I've only taken it from 230 miles to 1100 miles), so I count as success.


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Reply #9 on: May 05, 2020, 09:29:45 am
Thanks for your reply's, And to axeman 88 yes i believe it has a cat as it's a E4 model,And as wr6133 said 15W 50 it's hard to find in the UK unless you pay megabucks.


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Reply #10 on: May 05, 2020, 02:32:58 pm
Thanks for your reply's, And to axeman 88 yes i believe it has a cat as it's a E4 model,And as wr6133 said 15W 50 it's hard to find in the UK unless you pay megabucks.

Since 15W-50 oil is probably only used by motorcycles and other "enthusiast" vehicles and is described as a "specialty oil", it is likely that we are just getting screwed by the oil companies are are helping subsidize sales of their auto oil.   >:(

Here is an example for you:  My 2009 F650GS owners manual recommends using 10W-40 mineral oil. (Shell Rotella T4 here I come!  :)  ) However, if you go into a motorcycle dealer, like a BMW shop, for an oil change, they only use expensive 15W-50 "semi-synthetic oil (and who knows how "semi" it is, anyway).  In fact, BMW no longer sells 10W-40 oil in their shops, only the 15W-50 stuff, along with even more expensive 5W-40 full-synthetic oil (can you say rebranded Shell Rotella T6?). The only mineral oil they offer for their "legacy" air heads is a 20W-50 mineral oil sold in designer cans that look exactly like syrup cans that remember from my childhood, which is even more expensive than their other oils. An equal opportunity screwer.  >:(

On the other hand, does it really make any difference if you are using 10W-40, 15W-50, or 20W-50 oil under most riding conditions?  And when was the last time you heard about an engine blowing up because their owner used a slightly different viscosity oil or different brand than the one recommended by the manufacturer?  Something to think about. If it was me, I wouldn't be too concerned about using a 10W-40 oil in a cooler climate and a 20W-50 oil in a hot climate.  :)
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Reply #11 on: May 05, 2020, 03:14:05 pm
Interesting read Richard230.


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Reply #12 on: May 06, 2020, 01:07:03 am
I definitely am of the opinion, that valve train noise from my UCE 500 was greater in warm weather with 40 weight than it was with 50 weight.  In cold weather the 40 weight worked well.

I'm not sure if they offer the free shipping to the UK, but the source I listed for the 15w50 semi-synth, shipped it free to me, because I found another $14 worth of stuff to order along with it.

And, I had pasted the wrong link, that was 15w40.  This is the link to the 15w50: 
https://www.zoro.com/mystik-hydraulic-oil-mineral-oil-2-gal-663004002078/i/G9102134/?recommended=true    The description on the seller's website "mineral", but the jug and the manufacturers website both say "synthetic blend", for what it's worth.

 If $17.60 a gallon isn't economical enough for you, I suggest saving your drippings from the frying pan.

https://youtu.be/uzHRYxRiboc

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Reply #13 on: May 06, 2020, 02:50:29 am
I haven't used this oil yet, but from the analysis I found online, looks to me a lot like a 50 weight Rotella T5, and had some good internet reviews so I bought myself a jug of this.  It'll be in my engine within the next two weeks.

https://www.zoro.com/mystik-diesel-engine-oil-15w-40-synth-blnd-2gal-625776002078/i/G3376751/feature-product?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhoORmp2b6QIVAr7ACh2bfgU0EAQYBCABEgJPgfD_BwE

The SDS for this product says, "Mystik is a registered trademark of CITGO Petroleum Corporation"

Mystik is out of Houston Texas.  https://www.mystiklubes.com/Product.do?code=663004002


There's been some discussion of that Mystic Mystik® JT-8® Synthetic Blend Super Heavy Duty SAE 15W-50  over on those Bob is the Oil Guy Forums. It seems a very well regarded product not only by lots of agricultural, trucker and fleet operator types, but by many bikers too, including those with clutches more akin to Royal Enfield's later model UCE Bullets, Himis or the new 650s that might normally ask for that clutch-friendly JASO-rated goo to which my old "Iron Belly", with its separate gear box and primary, sloshing with 90 weight gear oil and Type F ATF respectively, is supremely indifferent.

Not that I'm any expert on motor oils, but although many Enfield owners swear by Rotella diesel type oils, my biggest qualm with them until now would be that I'd only ever seen them readily available as 15W-40 or yet thinner blends. The fact that our man "axman88" has found a reasonably economical and "cushier" 15W-50 blend, just like my User Manual instructs me to use in my "Iron Belly," is very interesting indeed.

Not that it matters overmuch for newer engines with your hydraulic lifters and electronic bum massagers and what have you, but for my primitive old girl's flat tappets I like to see a healthy "old school" pre-SL rating amount of Zinc additive of 1,500 ppm or higher. In fact, acting on Ace's kind suggestion earlier to these Forums, I add an ounce or two of that Lucas TB-Zinc Engine Break-in Additive to the Mobil1 15W-50 Full Synthetic I currently use, which has only 1,200 ppm of zinc in the jug (their similar but far pricier 20W-50 Mobil1 V-Twin blend has 1,750 ppm). That cocktail must be hitting the spot, cause I haven't had to adjust my tappets in nearly two years. I check regularly, but those cams, pushrods and whatnot just aren't showing any wear, and I've put over 10,000 miles on her.

It's hard to find solid numbers on the Mystic JT-8 15W-50, but I did find a posting on a Ford Trucks forum here about a fresh-from-the-jug lab test done of their 15W-40 blend, which probably has a very comparable if not identical additive package to their 15W-50:



Mystic JT-8, the numbers
Here are the numbers as they break down in their virgin sample form:

Boron- 178
Magn- 25
Calcium- 2802
Phos- 1515
Zinc- 1755
Moly- 128

Mystic JT-8 15w-40.
For those of you that are running the older 385s, FEs, Y blocks, etc. here's yer oil. No wonder it does so well in my FEs. With the boron and moly content and the higher than SM oils ZDDP, this is one killer oil for the older engines. I know we have a member that uses it but his name escapes me, is it rustbucket? No. Is it..........................

Anyway, he will stand up for sure after reading this. For the reader in all of us, here is the MSDS as Citgo sees it. Note TBN of 12.0, viscosity index, and flash point.
http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/591239.pdf





Evidence suggests that my old Iron Belly's pretty content with its diet of Mobil1 and Lucas goop, but you devotees of Rotella and other better-cleansing dieselly spews, especially those flogging their rides through warmer climes, might owe "axman88" a vote of thanks for his Grand Mystic Discovery  and maybe give that thicker stuff a whirl, especially if you're in the States where it's readily available. Here's a vendor locator to maybe beat that shipping.
 
 
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Reply #14 on: May 06, 2020, 09:50:59 am
Thanks you for all your inputs,I've found 4Lts of 15W 50 Castrol semi synthetic in Cornwall £33 75 delivered, So good for now, Once again many thanks.


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Reply #15 on: May 06, 2020, 03:29:43 pm
There's been some discussion of that Mystic Mystik® JT-8® Synthetic Blend Super Heavy Duty SAE 15W-50 
Thanks for posting the analysis of the Mystik 15W-50.  I had started a separate thread on this oil
https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=28304.0
which got some views but not much response.

The two caveats I have about the Mystik oil are:
    - it does have pretty high Molybdenum content, a friction reducer which can cause problems with a slipping clutch.   I'll find out after my next oil change, perhaps at this weekend. 
    - My machine has no catalytic converter, but for those who do, I've read that the Zinc additive, which is in the form of ZDDP, can break down if exceptionally high combustion chamber temperatures are encountered yielding up phosphorus, which can poison the catalytic.   Also, if an engine is burning oil, the resulting ash from the additive can coat the active surfaces of the catalytic.  In an engine running correctly, neither should be an issue, from what I've read.  This is a matter of some debate, and I'm no expert, but I understand oil manufacturers have been pressured to reduce the ZDDP content of their products to help extend the life of catalytics, which are supposed to go 100,000 miles.


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Reply #16 on: June 28, 2020, 09:52:25 pm
For whatever it's worth, I've used Castrol actevo 20 w50 with no problems. I believe the activo is designed for air cooled engines.

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Reply #17 on: September 13, 2021, 08:55:13 am
Adinol 5W30 SN full synthetic PERMIUM engine oil is produced using the most expensive and highest quality supersynthetic base oils and up-to-date additives in the world and has the highest quality level and is suitable even for cars that use high ethanol fuel. .

5 W30 Adinol engine oil is one of the best options for all types of cars in the world, which are equipped with turbocharged and supercharged engines, because by creating a very strong oil film and reducing friction, as well as high quality detergent additives, maximum protection of the car engine. Will have.
Adinol 5W30 SN engine oil due to the presence of sophisticated and advanced additives, comfortable and quiet start of the car at low temperatures and silent operation of the engine in all working conditions of the car.
https://revitakhodro.com/brand/addinol/


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Reply #18 on: September 13, 2021, 11:07:00 am
I saw, that Indians using Motul 3000 15W/50, which is mineral oil..I think thats enought for this engine...in Europe we can use Motul 5100 15W50 (viskosity almost same)...
If you will testing different oils you can feel that clutch will stack or slipping.
Take care that you have wet clutch !
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Reply #19 on: September 13, 2021, 11:39:15 am
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Reply #20 on: September 13, 2021, 12:38:46 pm
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Who? "Simasa"? A newbie with just two posts, both touting some 5W30 mongrel brand sold on a Persian website unsuitable for any Enfield that he rather oddly even misspells in his copy pasta pitch? Let's just say I'm watching and dusting off the Ban Hammer...

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Reply #21 on: September 13, 2021, 01:48:31 pm
Who? "Simasa"? A newbie with just two posts, both touting some 5W30 mongrel brand sold on a Persian website unsuitable for any Enfield that he rather oddly even misspells in his copy pasta pitch? Let's just say I'm watching and dusting off the Ban Hammer...


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Reply #22 on: September 13, 2021, 01:53:47 pm
Adinol 5W30 SN full synthetic PERMIUM engine oil is produced using the most expensive and highest quality supersynthetic base oils and up-to-date additives in the world and has the highest quality level and is suitable even for cars that use high ethanol fuel. .

5 W30 Adinol engine oil is one of the best options for all types of cars in the world, which are equipped with turbocharged and supercharged engines, because by creating a very strong oil film and reducing friction, as well as high quality detergent additives, maximum protection of the car engine. Will have.
Adinol 5W30 SN engine oil due to the presence of sophisticated and advanced additives, comfortable and quiet start of the car at low temperatures and silent operation of the engine in all working conditions of the car.
https://revitakhodro.com/brand/addinol/

That is what every oil company says about their brand of lubricant. My response is "Prove it". Hype is cheap, but actual provable facts are harder to come by. Obviously, this is clearly spam. After all, when did any Royal Enfield motorcycle use a 5W30 oil viscosity?  >:(  Nice try, but try pushing your product somewhere else - like a Tesla forum.   :o
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Reply #23 on: September 13, 2021, 02:18:29 pm
Spam and anti-spam are two sides of the same useless coin.

Well, it passes the time stomping the grifters. Up here on The Wall things look a bit different. Unless you had hoped to avail yourself of that tsunami of spammy offers for "Fancy Face Skin Lightening Beauty Cream" or "All-Natural ViaGruntTM Male Enhancement Ointment" continually assailing our parapets to lube your clutch plates, you're probably better off never having seen them. There are exceptions though...


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