[rustyelectrician]

I had my speedo replaced under warranty 500 kms ago and the hesitation problem in 5th gear has not reappeared.

So there are well-documented problems with the speedo on the 350 classic. Tiger Ness had the faceplate peel away and jam the needle, but mostly I think people (like me) have had the needle simply fail to return to zero. Upon restarting, any acceleration is added to the rest position. This can usually be rectified by switching the ignition on, waiting for the sweep to finish, turning off and then repeat however many times it takes to return to zero (took me eight tries). Bear with me.

Now the abs, the speedo and the ecu pick up their signal from the front abs sensor. I suspect the funky speedo may be interfering with the abs signal, confusing the ecu which then "thinks" you must be exceeding the maximum permissible top speed and then cuts the fuel injection way back to correct your naughty behavior. (Now, besides the fact that had I known, no matter how pretty, I would never have purchased a bike with an effing speed limiter built-in to appease the effing EU nanny state....)

In my past correspondence with Enfield, they referred to the 5th gear hesitation as a misfiring. I don't think so. In my experience, misfiring is followed by backfiring as excess unburnt fuel in the exhaust is burnt off, once proper ignition returns. There is no evidence of that.

At any rate, the speedo has been replaced and at least 500kms in and the hesitation in 5th gear has not returned.

[Stephan]

Would be interesting to add your experience to the list.
https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=35135.msg469376#msg469376

[Curious wanderer]

I would never have purchased a bike with an effing speed limiter built-in to appease the effing EU nanny state....).

You didn’t dear boy, you bought one with a limiter to appease the home market rules for sub 350cc bikes, nothing to do with the EU.

[paulmh]

You didn’t dear boy, you bought one with a limiter to appease the home market rules for sub 350cc bikes, nothing to do with the EU.

  EU gets blamed for everything it seems.

[SteveThackery]

You didn’t dear boy, you bought one with a limiter to appease the home market rules for sub 350cc bikes, nothing to do with the EU.

^^-------- THIS -------^^

In any case, you need to be pretty light and skinny to notice - my Meteor won't reach the speed limiter with me on board.

[Curious wanderer]

^^-------- THIS -------^^

In any case, you need to be pretty light and skinny to notice - my Meteor won't reach the speed limiter with me on board.

I remain slim and lovely and my classic easily reaches the limiter.😂😂😜

[Stephan]

Hi folks - hope someone has some insight to help identify my problem. 2023 Classic and it is has now done around 2200km.

When shifting into 5th, only sometimes, then there is a hesitation which i first thought felt like the clutch slipping. I’ve adjusted the clutch and I’ve also swapped out the relays and cleaned the excess white grease off those plugs. I expected it to go away after the 1st service, but it hasn’t.

It happens only occasionally and i cannot replicate the problem - on some rides it will not happen at all and on some rides, it might happen a couple of times. If i close the throttle when it happens, and shift to 4th and then ease the throttle open it seems to go away.

Normally it happens only when hot - it doesn’t seem to happen when cold.

Any ideas?

Experienced that yesterday for the first time, at the end of a day ride after a five days road-trip, just about 2000km after the 10000km service.
By this service, they swapped my speedo that was faulty since the first day.
Don’t want to go through again the 5 pages of the thread.
Did you find a solution or at least an explanation?
Edit: response was just not far above,the speedo. If that, I just prefer having the old one.

[MMRanch]

I think Steve hit the nail on the head this time.

It seems to me that it's all just SHIFTING ERROR.

I've done "LAZY SHIFTS" on occasions that resulted in landing between 4th and 5th.   
But
I know it was my mistake and just correct it and go on... 

Like gilburton said something about doing things slower on the 350J engines.

[Stephan]

It seems to me that it's all just SHIFTING ERROR.

NO, I was in 5th till a certain time when it happens.

[San]

I think Steve hit the nail on the head this time.

It seems to me that it's all just SHIFTING ERROR.

I've done "LAZY SHIFTS" on occasions that resulted in landing between 4th and 5th.   
But
I know it was my mistake and just correct it and go on... 

Like gilburton said something about doing things slower on the 350J engines.

Hey Mike,

Hope you've been well? 😊

I'm afraid I will disagree on this. Just finished a three day riding weekend and I can definitely confirm this is not a shifting issue. It is also not the rev limiter.

The random hesitation/jerking is definitely EFI goofiness as someone else had called it.

I recall WildCard mentioing that an Octane Booster helped him. I had nothing to lose and despite always filling up on the 95 rated fuel, I put an Octane Booster and injector/fuelsystem cleaner in the tank. Perhaps for 800 out of the 1100 Kms, I stayed in the 4th gear (where the issue manifests for me) and I only had it happen twice.

Not saying the fuel conditioner did anything. But before it would happen every 100 or so kilometers. And my Speedometer works a charm, so its not that for sure.

Regardless, I have learned to not worry too much and just keep riding!

Cheers,
San

[MMRanch]

Sorry guys ,

I've not experienced the miss or dead spot so I can only guess .
Fourth and fifth gears are so close in ratio that the shift between them is no big deal.
The engine catching it's breath on a slow easy shift might cause a hiccup ?

I hope I never have any "First-Hand-experience" with the issue !   

I have red stories of the grease on the relays making a bad connection ?

I'm still guilty of a "Lazy Shift" on my part sometimes .

[San]

Sorry guys ,

I've not experienced the miss or dead spot so I can only guess .
Fourth and fifth gears are so close in ratio that the shift between them is no big deal.
The engine catching it's breath on a slow easy shift might cause a hiccup ?

I hope I never have any "First-Hand-experience" with the issue !   

I have red stories of the grease on the relays making a bad connection ?

I'm still guilty of a "Lazy Shift" on my part sometimes .

Please don't be sorry at all. We're all only trying to help each other whilst being, sometimes, thousands of kilometres away!

You're right. I have plenty of grease on my relays, too. But I double checked to see if the electrical connection was solid and it is. So didn't bother removing it.

I am going to add the octane booster/ fuel system cleaner two more times, alternate tank fulls, and then report back if the 4th gear stutters again.

My money is on bad fuel, water in fuel, or something not 'breathing right' somewhere!

Mike I'm sure your occasional lazy shifting just adds to your style quotient 😅

[MMRanch]

  Mike I'm sure your occasional lazy shifting just adds to your style quotient   

Hay San

I did name my S-Blue-Meteor "ZEN" , and I've about quit looking at the speedometer ! 
unless I'm in town ... 
.................
Lazy might be the right word most of the time , but I do spend a lot of time grinning    while enjoying Zen's company . 

I did take Zen to the Dragon last spring ridding with a buddy on a Suzuki S-40.  We've rode the area every year for near 20 years now.
So , Zen kept up just fine.  The entire area is mostly 30 to 50 mph roads.   There was one point on the   Cherohala Skyway That we came up behind a Harley Road glide doing about 60mph , the rider waved us to go on around but I was already at full power so , I just followed him along till we got to a down hill section.  That was before the DNA-Cam-DeCat operations .
It might be a little better this year ? 

https://cherohala.com/

I'll have to take the 650 Meteor this year the time in August when I meet my old friend ,
But
I'd like to take the 350 Meteor for a Three Day Ride also , if I can find some other 350-J folks interested in doing such a thing.
It's always more fun to have company . 

[San]

  Mike I'm sure your occasional lazy shifting just adds to your style quotient   

Hay San

I did name my S-Blue-Meteor "ZEN" , and I've about quit looking at the speedometer ! 
unless I'm in town ... 
.................
Lazy might be the right word most of the time , but I do spend a lot of time grinning    while enjoying Zen's company . 

I did take Zen to the Dragon last spring ridding with a buddy on a Suzuki S-40.  We've rode the area every year for near 20 years now.
So , Zen kept up just fine.  The entire area is mostly 30 to 50 mph roads.   There was one point on the   Cherohala Skyway That we came up behind a Harley Road glide doing about 60mph , the rider waved us to go on around but I was already at full power so , I just followed him along till we got to a down hill section.  That was before the DNA-Cam-DeCat operations .
It might be a little better this year ? 

https://cherohala.com/

I'll have to take the 650 Meteor this year the time in August when I meet my old friend ,
But
I'd like to take the 350 Meteor for a Three Day Ride also , if I can find some other 350-J folks interested in doing such a thing.
It's always more fun to have company .

Hey Mike,

Haha the funny thing is that the grinning is not a joke. Last weekend, my facial muscles were actually, physically sore, because I kept smiling most of the time I was riding. I thought I was losing my mind but clearly I am not alone!

I would love to do the Dragon with you one day. Perhaps next year, but we shall see

And yes, hopefully you never experience the 4th and 5th gear stutters.

Cheers,
San

[Dexter]

The Dragon is a good test of your cornering skills, but the speed limit is 30 mph (when I was there in 2010) and quite heavily enforced, so "Ricky Racers" carve those bends at their own financial peril. Even so, at that speed, the road does force you to pay attention to where you want to go.

You may see crashes by those who focus on an oncoming vehicle and either ride off the road into the weeds, or into the oncoming vehicle! The 11 miles goes by fairly quickly though, so a return ride to Deal's Gap makes it more worthwhile.

The best thing about doing the Dragon for me though was getting some photos taken by Killboy, as I rode past the spot he was set up at. Doing the road in both directions gets you twice as many pictures and angles to choose from.

Check out his website. He takes pictures of everything that goes by, or doesn't go by if they crash too. Here's one I have on my office wall taken in 2010. Note my toes are on the pegs, as it was easy to drag the toes otherwise, when leaning over in those curves. Very sharp curves!

https://www.killboy.com