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majstevetrevor

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on: November 18, 2021, 12:41:45 am
I don't currently own an RE 500 but have in the past, and I've had in the back of my mind to get a used one as a second bike to my Moto Guzzi.  There's one I am looking at now, but a couple of people, including even my local RE garage, have expressed real concern about the availability of parts now that the model has been made redundant.  I notice too that many of the Hitchcock's parts that I would be interested in (silencers, performance parts, etc) are listed as not currently available.

So, what's the feeling? Is it likely to be very difficult to get replacement and/or aftermarket parts in the near future?


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Reply #1 on: November 18, 2021, 01:44:30 am
Compare production numbers for the 500 UCE vice any MG.  You will be able to get maintenance parts for the UCE much longer than Pagani will be interested in making them for MGs.  You might be buying them from India on eBay but they will be available.  PS I bailed out of my 2019 V7 III Stone and that was one of the reasons -- Pagani dumped the powertrain in 2021.
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Reply #2 on: November 18, 2021, 03:04:25 am
Being worried about parts for a Royal Enfield would be like worrying about parts for a VW Beetle, or a Ford Model T. There are so many on the road in India that even if R.E. run out of spares, third parties will fill the void.


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Reply #3 on: November 18, 2021, 03:34:40 am
I expect a lot of the parts shortages one may be seeing now are the result of the same "supply chain disruptions" that are making my local supermarket look more and more like ones I recall back in the happy socialist workers' paradise of East Germany back in the '80s. We've all noticed that some of those shelves are looking a bit bare, right?

Whatever parts your local dealership may decide to stock (or not) in future to cater to Bullet owners, who by now are mostly doing their own servicing anyhow, I expect parts for those UCE Bullets will be generally plentiful for some time to come. Same for the old Iron Cylinder Engine. Perhaps not so much for the rather short-lived intermediate AVL versions, which even pre-Covid were being reported as becoming sparse or "sketchy"--though very often this seems to have been a matter of other models' bits being sold or advertised mistakenly as being suitable for the AVLs.

Precise historical production figures for the long run of Bullets of various models are hard to come by, but here's an excerpt from a recent Bloomberg article that fairly well sums up the growing scale of production of those last models of Bullets under Eicher ownership:

"The new Bullet, plus a model called the Classic that leaned even harder into the 60s aesthetic, went on the market in 2009, catching the middle of this long financial tailwind. That year, Royal Enfield sold about 52,000 motorcycles. In 2012 it was moving more than 100,000, overwhelmingly in India, a number that had almost tripled by 2014—representing more than enough revenue to finance other upgrades to the product line. In its last financial year before the pandemic struck, the company sold about 824,000 bikes globally. Harley, by contrast, shipped about 218,000."

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-10-14/india-s-royal-enfield-motorcycle-is-coming-after-harley-davidson-hog (Good article, by the way)

Prior to the UCE, one hears rather vaguely of production figures for the old "Iron Bellies" of perhaps about 30,000 per annum at their peak...but with production of that model more or less unchanged for over half a century since 1955, that's still a helluva lotta bikes that'll need a gasket or grommet now and then. Factor in the fact that in India, far more than in the USA, a Bullet is an "aspirational" and even multi-generational symbol of success with a certain Harleyesque element of patriotism mixed in, and I personally have little fear my old thumper will get what she needs for at least  as long as I'm able to swing a leg over her.

Will one still be able to get a brand new $24 OEM carb with all the fixins or a $14 sidestand assembly delivered free to one's door from far yonder in 20 years? Maybe...maybe not. But I can still get any parts I need for my '57 Zündapp Bella scooter, so I'm certainly not gonna lose any sleep about my Bullet.

I'd say get one. In fact, if you can, get a nice "ultra-primitivo" Iron Barrel to tinker with. They do have their own simple and unimpeachable virtues as true engineering fossils, and the fettling's all part of the fun.
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So badass my Enfield's actually illegal  in India. Yet it squeaks by here in Virginia.

 


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Reply #4 on: November 18, 2021, 03:46:52 am
I think you make a goid point Bilge- 24-48hrs and I can get virtually any part (others may take a bit of searching) for my 56 MGA and 58 Austin Healey 3000 and they made  SHITLOADS more bikes👍
As far as Oz us concerned legislation says importers MUST make parts available for 29yrs after a model ceases sale.
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Reply #5 on: November 18, 2021, 03:56:51 am
I think you make a goid point Bilge- 24-48hrs and I can get virtually any part (others may take a bit of searching) for my 56 MGA and 58 Austin Healey 3000 and they made  SHITLOADS more bikes👍
As far as Oz us concerned legislation says importers MUST make parts available for 29yrs after a model ceases sale.

My hunch is that legislation quite possibly is a reaction to some of those Japanese manufacturers who pull the plug on parts support pretty much the week after the last one of some short-lived model has rolled off the factory floor. There is manifest virtue in making the same damned bike decade after decade after all, huh?
So badass my Enfield's actually illegal  in India. Yet it squeaks by here in Virginia.

 


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Reply #6 on: November 18, 2021, 04:15:52 am
Australia seemed to be a country where car manufacturers would come  in, fail to make inroads and quit, leaving customers high & dry! Last one was Opel who G.M sold a couple of models badges as Holden, so Opal opened dealership selling bigger range but same car at a "European" Premium Price .....lasted 13mths! but as .M no issue on parts, not same with others from Eastern Block, European, Malaysia, etc....
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Reply #7 on: November 18, 2021, 06:20:22 am
I'm not too worried. I already buy spares I need from H over the interwebs, and India if H can't help. I'd be wasting my time to try buying spares through the local dealer so I don't bother. If spares become truly unavailable, the bike is simple enough to be able to adapt generic parts or make my own.
If it gets really bad, the engine grenades and I can't get spares, I've already measured it to see if a DR650 engine will fit. Could use one of those Chinese xr400 clones, too.
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Reply #8 on: November 18, 2021, 07:29:25 am
When we are finally legislated out of existence, I'm sticking an electric motor in mine! Whizz whizz.


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Reply #9 on: November 18, 2021, 08:44:30 am
Andrew, I'll brew my own fuel, ride after midnight and plant a tree in the morning. I'd need to buy an aftermarket pipe as quiet as the original though!

I have a 50yo Norton and a 63yo Triumph. Spares plentiful and cheaper than a Kawasaki. Even the innermost depths of the motor are still supplied and at decent quality.


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Reply #10 on: November 18, 2021, 09:20:12 am
Andrew, I'll brew my own fuel, ride after midnight and plant a tree in the morning. I'd need to buy an aftermarket pipe as quiet as the original though!

I have a 50yo Norton and a 63yo Triumph. Spares plentiful and cheaper than a Kawasaki. Even the innermost depths of the motor are still supplied and at decent quality.

And if it gets REALLY bad, C5 in the cnr of the man cave, home-brew in the tank, pressurised, with a release valve cable operated from the throttle, to keep me hydrated as I  polish MR Clean G.T and reminisce 👍😀
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Reply #11 on: November 18, 2021, 02:08:57 pm
My hunch is that legislation quite possibly is a reaction to some of those Japanese manufacturers who pull the plug on parts support pretty much the week after the last one of some short-lived model has rolled off the factory floor. There is manifest virtue in making the same damned bike decade after decade after all, huh?

In my experience, an example of that is Yamaha. While I don't know what the situation is now, in the past Yamaha parts for many discontinued models would be hard to come by within just a couple of years after Yamaha would give up on the bike and move on to another completely new design.  My daughter's first motorcycle, a 1987 SRX250TC, comes to mind.   :(
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Reply #12 on: November 18, 2021, 02:25:03 pm
Thanks, I appreciate all this good feedback.


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Reply #13 on: November 18, 2021, 02:29:50 pm
When we are finally legislated out of existence, I'm sticking an electric motor in mine! Whizz whizz.

If you think gas-powered motorcycles are tough to work on, or find parts for, just try electric motorcycles. The manufacturers don't believe (likely correctly) that their customers can work on, or even understand, how the electronics that power and control their motors work. They tend to keep a tight lid on access to their power train programming and parts sources. While most of you would have no problem working on their chassis, how would you like to try to solve a mysterious "glitch" in the power train programming, hidden away in one of the cells of the the "potted" battery pack, the onboard charger, or the battery management system? Unless your name is Tesla, or are a confirmed electronics geek, that is not going to be any fun.

Plus, most electric motorcycle and scooter manufacturers are "startups" and rarely stay in business more than a year or two. (The major Japanese brands are doing their best to stay out of the market.) Once they go belly up, their employees move on and there is no longer any resource to maintain, resolve weird issues, or source parts for their vehicles. And that happens very quickly. Like within a few weeks.  ::)
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Reply #14 on: November 18, 2021, 06:03:24 pm
I think the trick to a good parts supply is to pick a model that has been in production for years. Previously I owned a Yamaha Scorpio 225. It had the same engine as 500 bazllion other 225cc Yamaha bikes and I never had trouble getting parts for it. I'm sure there are plenty of other long lived models out there.

If I do have to go electric, I can fit an entire diesel/electric submarine battery pack up my original exhaust.  :)