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gzrfox

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on: September 04, 2024, 04:24:39 pm
As the title says, I've got this issue and I'm not sure if I should be concerned. When riding two up, the engine gets noticeably hotter than when I'm riding so and I'm quite prone to thrashing it a bit more when I'm solo. Doesn't matter if it's day or night, hot or cold weather, it still gets much hotter. Granted, the bike has to haul nearly 200kg of meat around and it's only logical that it'd be struggling but I just want to make sure it's at least in the realm of normal. The bike's running on motul 7100 fully synthetic and mods wise I've only got the DNA filter and cover, if that helps the story.

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Reply #1 on: September 04, 2024, 05:30:17 pm
Interesting.

You say it's getting "noticeably hotter". Have you ensured there's adequate engine oil in the sump?

I assume you're using Motul 7100, 15W50. That's a high-quality oil. I use it too. So the oil grade/quality can't be the issue. But, the volume is also important.

Now, I'd suggest you get hold of an infra-red thermometer, ride the bike two-up for 30 - 45 minutes, then take temperature readings at the sump and near the spark plug (where it threads into the head).

A sump temperature up to 120 Degrees Celsius and a head temp of up to 150 DC is normal. Also, if riding in stop-and-go traffic the head temp is going to be higher - and the sump temp lower - than when riding on the highway.

This information is acquired from owners and experts of air-cooled Harley Davidsons.

Moreover, check the colour of the spark plug. If it's running too lean due to fuel-restriction, it could run hotter temperatures.

The fuel-restriction could be caused by a number of things like air leaks in the hoses and manifolds, clogged fuel-injector, dirt particles inside the fuel pump module's filter/strainer etc. Also, check the air filter to ensure it's clean.

Yet another possibility could be binding brakes, drive-chain too tight and an engine not yet fully run-in.

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Reply #2 on: September 04, 2024, 05:47:27 pm
Interesting.

You say it's getting "noticeably hotter". Have you ensured there's adequate engine oil in the sump?

I assume you're using Motul 7100, 15W50. That's a high-quality oil. I use it too. So the oil grade/quality can't be the issue. But, the volume is also important.

Now, I'd suggest you get hold of an infra-red thermometer, ride the bike two-up for 30 - 45 minutes, then take temperature readings at the sump and near the spark plug (where it threads into the head).

A sump temperature up to 120 Degrees Celsius and a head temp of up to 150 DC is normal. Also, if riding in stop-and-go traffic the head temp is going to be higher - and the sump temp lower - than when riding on the highway.

This information is acquired from owners and experts of air-cooled Harley Davidsons.

Moreover, check the colour of the spark plug. If it's running too lean due to fuel-restriction, it could run hotter temperatures.

The fuel-restriction could be caused by a number of things like air leaks in the hoses and manifolds, clogged fuel-injector, dirt particles inside the fuel pump module's filter/strainer etc. Also, check the air filter to ensure it's clean.

Yet another possibility could be binding brakes, drive-chain too tight and an engine not yet fully run-in.

Oil quantity was the first thing I checked when I first caught wind of the problem but nothing's changed there. It's topped up (right at the top line) and not burning any oil. The oil itself, from a small sample I took from the pan (and of course refilled with fresh) was mint. Barely darkened in 1500km's. Still shows red through the glass as well with no bubbling or sediment or separation.

I did also check the spark plug. First after a few hundred km's since I installed the filter and cover and actually just yesterday (when it got hot again) as well. Pretty much the same as before, no changes and pretty normal to a touch on the leaner side, at least for my liking. I usually had them a bit darker in carburetted bikes but in any case, the EFI seems to be working properly. I have no hiccups, hesitation or anything of the sort. I go for an alternating fuel fill up regime as well, premium/regular.

Air filter's clean as a whistle, too and seems adequately oiled from the factory.

The brakes I did extensively, I have no problems there. Chain's also adjusted and regularly cleaned and lubricated. The bike's got 3500km on the clock so I'm assuming it's well run in by now.

I should note again that the bike gets hot only when with a pillion. When I'm by myself, doesn't matter if I thrash it relentlessly, it never gets as hot. Also, the heat is certainly coming from the engine and not the exhaust or any other part. I can really feel it in my legs!

The thermometer is a good idea but it'll have to wait I'm afraid. So far I've been chalking it up to the increased strain of a small bike with two hefty passengers since there doesn't seem to be anything else wrong with it but I'd rather be on the safe side and pass it on to the next person undamaged!

Many thanks again!


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Reply #3 on: September 04, 2024, 06:39:25 pm
I should note again that the bike gets hot only when with a pillion. When I'm by myself, doesn't matter if I thrash it relentlessly, it never gets as hot.

    Maybe it's the correct temperature riding with a pillion but running too cold solo?
   
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Reply #4 on: September 04, 2024, 10:43:31 pm
Maybe too it is related to your riding position solo, as opposed to two up. Solo gives more room to move back in the saddle and spread your legs. Two up means more cramped for the rider and legs possibly positioned closer to the engine.

Whatever, don't sweat this (no pun intended), as these bikes are made in India, where some areas are so hot now, they are almost inhospitable to human life. If engines there were self destructing from overheating, we would know about it.

If you wear some proper (read protective riding pants, of the non mesh version), you would not even notice the engine heat. That has been my experience.
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Reply #5 on: September 04, 2024, 10:55:56 pm
Just sell the damn thing.
You'll never be happy with this bike.
This ↓↓↓ is a selection of topics you started lately.
They al breath a spirit of disappointment or discontent.
No hard feelings, but this isn't the bike for you.

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37300.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37250.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37085.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37150.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37106.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37076.0

Please note that these are only the topics you started, not the comments or questions you posted in other topics.
And maybe I missed some.
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Reply #6 on: September 04, 2024, 11:49:05 pm
Just sell the damn thing.
You'll never be happy with this bike.
This ↓↓↓ is a selection of topics you started lately.
They al breath a spirit of disappointment or discontent.
No hard feelings, but this isn't the bike for you.

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37300.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37250.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37085.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37150.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37106.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37076.0

Please note that these are only the topics you started, not the comments or questions you posted in other topics.
And maybe I missed some.
That's telling them !


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Reply #7 on: September 05, 2024, 04:47:29 am
    Maybe it's the correct temperature riding with a pillion but running too cold solo?
   
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Could very well be, wouldn't know.



Maybe too it is related to your riding position solo, as opposed to two up. Solo gives more room to move back in the saddle and spread your legs. Two up means more cramped for the rider and legs possibly positioned closer to the engine.

Whatever, don't sweat this (no pun intended), as these bikes are made in India, where some areas are so hot now, they are almost inhospitable to human life. If engines there were self destructing from overheating, we would know about it.

If you wear some proper (read protective riding pants, of the non mesh version), you would not even notice the engine heat. That has been my experience.

Didn't even think of that, the simplest thing! Thank you!



Just sell the damn thing.
You'll never be happy with this bike.
This ↓↓↓ is a selection of topics you started lately.
They al breath a spirit of disappointment or discontent.
No hard feelings, but this isn't the bike for you.

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37300.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37250.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37085.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37150.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37106.0

https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?topic=37076.0

Please note that these are only the topics you started, not the comments or questions you posted in other topics.
And maybe I missed some.


Already am but as I said...

I'd rather be on the safe side and pass it on to the next person undamaged!


That's telling them !

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