[AzCal Retred]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4857817-hr-mcmaster-tim-walz-military/
H.R. McMaster on Walz’s military claims: ‘I would never disparage any service’ - 09/01/24
Former national security adviser H.R. McMaster said Sunday he “would never disparage” someone’s military service, when asked about the controversy surrounding the Democratic vice presidential nominee’s past remarks about his time in the Army National Guard.
“I think everybody’s got to make their own judgment. Look at the facts of the service, which I think, you know, we should always celebrate and thank those who, you know, who serve our nation in uniform,” said McMaster, who served in the Trump administration, in an interview on NewsNation’s “The Hill Sunday” with Chris Stirewalt.

I'm going to go with McMasters take on this, not yours. I think he's got way more credibility and perspective. You are just shit-stirring. We haven't heard a peep about your service record. Walz isn't talking about disruptive kak like "being a dictator for a day" or still pretending the election was stolen. You just keep on following the Anointed One down the rabbit hole, there will surely be a reward.

[AzCal Retred]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/2/russian-barrage-targets-kyiv-ukrainian-strike-destroys-school
Russian barrage targets Kyiv, Ukrainian strike destroys school
A Kyiv official said more than 10 cruise missiles, about 10 ballistic missiles and a drone were fired on Monday morning.

Something for R57 to ponder. He seems to be greatly bothered by furriners in country. Looks like a lot of abuse is driven by agribusiness profiteering. Competition is only for the little guy that can't afford a Supreme Court judge, Senator or Representative. I think 45 owns a few judges...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4nn1w169kno
Migrant farm worker deaths show cost of the 'American Dream'
From farmers and meatpackers to line cooks and construction workers, migrants often do dangerous jobs where workplace deaths typically go unnoticed by the wider public. But in the past year, the issue has been thrust into the spotlight, by multiple high-profile deaths and by a migrant crisis at the border that has amplified anti-immigrant rhetoric.

The agricultural industry also has the highest rate of workplace deaths, followed by transportation and construction, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Earlier this year, back-to-back deaths highlighted some of these dangers.

Both Mendoza and Hugo had H2A visas that allowed them temporarily to work in US agriculture. And the number of foreign-born workers who rely on this type of visa has grown.
Between 2017-2022, H2A visa holders have increased by 64.7%, or by nearly 150,000 workers.
In total, about 70% of farmworkers are foreign born, and over three-quarters are Hispanic, according to the National Center for Farmworker Health.
“Immigration is the key source of workers for many jobs in the US,” Chloe East, a University of Colorado Denver economics professor who focuses on immigration policy, says.
“We know for a fact that foreign-born workers are taking these types of dangerous jobs that US-born workers don’t.”
A 2020 federal investigation into agricultural H2A labourers in Florida, Texas and Georgia described conditions akin to “modern-day slavery”. Due to the investigation, 24 people were charged with trafficking, money laundering and other crimes.
“The American dream is a powerful attraction for destitute and desperate people across the globe, and where there is need, there is greed from those who will attempt to exploit,” Acting US Attorney David Estes said in a press release at the time.
Migrants that enter the country illegally can have even less protections if they’re hired to work, experts say. And almost half of agricultural workers are undocumented, according to the Centre for Migration Studies.
“Undocumented immigrant workers are concentrated in the most dangerous, hazardous, and otherwise unappealing jobs in US,” according to an article published in the International Migration Review.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932

https://theweek.com/articles/461227/farm-subsidies-welfare-program-agribusiness (2015)
"Critics contend that the subsidies it hands out are wasteful, illogical, and counterproductive — a welfare program for millionaires and giant agribusinesses. Over the last decade, the farm bill has cost taxpayers more than $168 billion. In theory, the program uses loans, price supports, and payments to protect family farmers from the fickle fluctuations of weather, price, and economic conditions, so that their businesses remain stable and Americans are ensured a steady supply of affordable food. In practice, the program keeps food prices high, costing consumers billions, while funneling most of its aid to giant agribusinesses and wealthy farmers. About 75 percent of total subsidies go to the biggest 10 percent of farming companies, including Riceland Foods Inc., Pilgrims Pride Corp., and Archer Daniels Midland. Among the "farmers" who get federal subsidies are Bruce Springsteen (who leases land to an organic farmer), Jon Bon Jovi (who owns bee colonies), former President Jimmy Carter, and billionaire media mogul Ted Turner. "

[him a layin]

Trump and Vance have said nothing against Walz 24 yr service in the National Guard. Only his intentional lies about being deployed.  You don't have an issue with these statements ?

 "We can make sure those weapons of war, that I carried in war, are only carried in war."

" Tim Walz wrote a speech "where he claimed to have 'stood one night in the dark of night at Bagram Air Base in Iraq' and watched an American soldier's body get loaded onto a plane.  "Bagram is in Afghanistan, not Iraq and Walz didn't deploy to either,"

no, i disapprove of these apparent bald-faced lies, though i'd want to check the sources. as i've said repeatedly, i don't follow the news.

but in 2019 and 2020 donald told a series of mutually exclusive lies about covid. do you approve of that?
and why? to keep attendance up at his rallies, which just happens to be the BEST way to help it spread, trashing his surgeon general in the process, and all to stroke his tremendous ego. viewed in terms of internal consistency, one of them could have been true, but in fact none of them were: "it's a hoax" "a liberal hoax" "it's just like a flu" "it will be gone in a week" "gone in two weeks" "gone in a month" "like a miracle, by easter".  and now on the fifth or sixth variant, over 1 million americans are dead. do you approve of that?

he cheats at golf. do you approve of that?

he's cheated on every one of his wives. do you approve of that?

when found guilty of cheating on his taxes he said "everyone does it" which isn't exculpatory, it's a confession. do you approve of that?

he said "just grab them by the pussy" do you approve of that?

donald called veterans "losers and "chumps". do you approve of that?
 
donald is a felon with multiple convictions. do you approve of that?

most serious of all, donald has repeatedly expressed a desire to abrogate the constitution. do you approve of that?
which he specifically swore an oath to defend, which is perjury. do you approve of that?

project and diffuse and distract all you like, it doesn't change the fact that donald is a compulsive liar, a cheat, a perjurer, a sociopath and a convicted felon.

[Leofric]

How many more of THESE do the Ukrainian forces have? Scarier that the Russian thermobaric jobs? 

A.

https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1830550497452757350

Russia will have equally nasty weapons ,and they are all scary . Napalm and phosphorus were used years ago of course.

[AzCal Retred]

Modern warfare is just industrialized slaughter. Then the victor writes the history.

"I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell." William Tecumseh Sherman

[GlennF]

Russia will have equally nasty weapons ,and they are all scary . Napalm and phosphorus were used years ago of course.

I have two brothers in the Australian military.

Back during the First Gulf War, when I mentioned that according to news reports "at least the US no longer use napalm".

They just laughed and said "Well yes, what they now use instead does the exact same job, and is in fact much worse if your caught in the line of fire, but it is not CALLED napalm, so that statement is technically correct" .

[Racer57]

no, i disapprove of these apparent bald-faced lies, though i'd want to check the sources. as i've said repeatedly, i don't follow the news.

If you do not follow the news, then I have to assume you get your facts from here ? To compare the rest of your post to stolen valor does nothing more than show your contempt for those that do deploy.

Here is the same video with audio I posted of Walz earlier, intentionally lying when he was running for a political office.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKhfz6xUE4

[AzCal Retred]

Really? You as a sTrump-pet want to open up the "Intentionally Lying" can 'o worms? That's ludicrous on SO many levels. How much audio can you stand? 5,000 hours? 10,000 hours? You'll have to suffer thru the psychotic stream of consciousness babble-on between each lie, at least 8-15 seconds on average. You can't even begin to compare a seditionist, conspiracy-mongering election denying ex-CiC to a newbie-ish "regular politician" maybe inflating the stats a bit. Get real. There's "lies, damned lies, and statistics.” and we all know who the Jedi Lie Master is here. The perplexing part is the continuous, utter denial on the part of the cult faithful. What's in it for them that is so important that they'd put their logic & credulity on hold to achieve? You watch J6 and see only a Cub Scout picnic and hear a gentle PTA-mom-like pep talk. Why? At least 80% of us here clearly "got the message". Probably 100% judging from the debriefed insurrectionists. 45 LOVES to talk in code, you love to talk code, he was raised by Roy Cohn, admires the Sopranos (in manner & dress) and you are asking for non-coded admissions of guilt when you absolutely know better. If you can't support a liar, cancel your Trump-playing card & sneaker order right now. If you want to support the Liar-in-Chief then "stand down & stand by" on anyone else's minor porkies. It's way too far down the list to be worth your time. Maybe spend more time boning up on Project 2025, ya wants'ta be ready when they start handing out gratuities like free undocumented labor and start divvying up their stuff. It worked before in Tulsa back when America was still great, maybe round II will be just as great for the "right people". None of this kak is happening for honorable reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

[AzCal Retred]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62406vgjdmo
Lion rescued from Ukraine takes first steps outside
A lioness rescued from war-torn Ukraine has taken her first steps outside at a sanctuary in Kent.
Three-year-old Yuna, who has shell shock, arrived at The Big Cat Sanctuary in Smarden on 17 August and stayed inside her enclosure for a week.
But the sanctuary, which said she had previously been confined to a small space on a concrete floor, said she had "begun to reveal a playful and curious nature".
This involved venturing to the outside of her enclosure, feeling grass beneath her paws for the first time and scratching trees and logs.

[him a layin]

If you do not follow the news, then I have to assume you get your facts from here ? To compare the rest of your post to stolen valor does nothing more than show your contempt for those that do deploy.

Here is the same video with audio I posted of Walz earlier, intentionally lying when he was running for a political office.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKhfz6xUE4

oh, look, there's that projection thing again.
"it's a hoax a liberal hoax its just like a flu it will be gone in a week two weeks a month like a miracle by easter".
"losers", "chumps".

[AzCal Retred]

Reply #456: No reason to clutter up unrelated threads - Y'all have your own personal thread now:
Гонщик пятьдесят семь восторгается своим личным богом Дональдом Трампом
I imagine folks will respond if it gets too "out there". Save the Moderator some clean up time later.

[Racer57]

oh, look, there's that projection thing again.
"it's a hoax a liberal hoax its just like a flu it will be gone in a week two weeks a month like a miracle by easter".
"losers", "chumps".

It's been obvious to me since the early 70s that projection (the imputation of one's own goals and motives to others) is what the Democrat party does best and most consistently. They will even continue lying when proven otherwise. The "losers and suckers" comment is a perfect example. Even Snopes says there is no proof of it.

[AzCal Retred]

Here we go again. Take this over to "Гонщик пятьдесят семь восторгается своим личным богом Дональдом Трампом" or start your own thread, this isn't about Russia or Ukraine. Snopes can't find it on audio so they have to say "Snopes was unable to independently verify the claim". That doesn't remotely mean it didn't happen, it just means it hinges on (4 star Marine) General Kelly's statement. Flynn was the only military advisor 45 ever got along with, the rest have a uniformly poor opinion of him. Flynn has "issues", and was the only military man that needed a Presidential Pardon. You are like the only guy that doesn't get this, or at least pretends to not get it. Who's a more reliable information source, 45 or Kelly? Very few Americans would pick 45.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-pardon-michael-flynn-russia-aeef585b08ba6f2c763c8c37bfd678ed
Trump pardons Flynn despite guilty plea in Russia probe

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/06/28/trump-soldiers-suckers-losers-2/
How the Claims Resurfaced in 2023
On Oct. 2, 2023, Biden's official account on X resurfaced the accusation, saying Trump once allegedly "referred to American service members as 'suckers' and 'losers.'" The post (displayed above) included video footage of Biden speaking at a September 2023 event to honor the late U.S. Sen. John McCain, who was a military veteran and prisoner of war. (In that speech, Biden referenced the 2020 story by The Atlantic.)
The day after Biden's post on X, Kelly repeated the claim, as well. Speaking to CNN story, he said (emphasis, ours):
What can I add that has not already been said? A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all 'suckers' because 'there is nothing in it for them.' A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because 'it doesn't look good for me.' A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America's defense are 'losers' and wouldn't visit their graves in France.
In other words, Kelly, who was with Trump in Paris, confirmed that Trump did call American troops "losers" and "suckers," though it was unclear whether he witnessed the comments firsthand or heard about them from someone else, or from news reports. (The 2020 Atlantic story detailed a separate incident of Trump visiting the grave of Kelly's son who was killed in action in Afghanistan, for which Kelly was supposedly present. In that case, Trump allegedly asked of military personnel who volunteered to join the service, "What was in it for them?")
Responding to the CNN interview, a Trump official issued a statement to CNN, saying, "John Kelly has totally clowned himself with these debunked stories he's made up because he didn't serve his president well while working as chief of staff."
In addition to the alleged statements about service members generally, Trump has publicly insulted McCain, in particular, by calling him "not a war hero," and "I like people who weren't captured," according to footage on C-SPAN. Also, for The Atlantic story, anonymous sources said he called former President George H.W. Bush a "loser" for getting shot down by the Japanese while a Navy pilot during World War II.
In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's alleged words; there was no independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies that he once called service members "losers" and "suckers." While it was certainly possible that he said those things, Snopes was unable to independently verify the claim.
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There, I did it for you. You're welcome.

[Racer57]

In her acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention, Kamala Harris cited her mother’s memorable advice: “A direct quote — never do anything half-assed.” If she passed on that maternal wisdom to President Biden, it obviously fell on deaf ears when it came to helping Ukraine defend itself against Vladimir Putin’s invasion and multiple war crimes.

 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/opinion-biden-must-abandon-his-half-assed-ukraine-policy-before-it-s-too-late/ar-AA1pV8ib?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

[AzCal Retred]

FINALLY!!! Something we agree on. But Harris isn't CiC yet, so there's that. The Ukrainian incursion into the Rodina may be a play to force Bidens hand. We'll see.

Biden's not the only timid one here, lots of other countries are pussyfooting around. Nobody is really quite sure exactly how crazy that 71 year old Russian ex-KGB fellow really is. The US Navy in the Med would take a HELLUVA hit if he is. Things could spin wildly out of control really fast.

The good news is we now have the Nordic states in NATO, and they will formidably protect their home turf. The Mid-east would likely go apeshit. Can't imagine that China wouldn't finish up annexing Taiwan while we were busy. 100 miles of shallow home-turf water is a BAD place for our blue-water Navy, might need them elsewhere, like around Japan, Korea & Australia.

Myself I think we need to adopt the Russian policy where we don't care too much how the weapons we provide/sell are used. Just provide them to Ukraine & the other Baltic states & stand back. That's what the Rooskies do, so we could make a point.

However, NOBODY wants their fingerprints on WW3 and I'm not the "decider" anyway, am I?