[him a layin]

"the americans always do the right thing, after they've tried everything else." - w. churchill (allegedly)

[Casanova]

"the americans always do the right thing, after they've tried everything else." - w. churchill (allegedly)

Running out of options is a result of failure to sustain alternative, not a situation that's very desirable to achieve and likely to lead into totalitarianism only.

Churchill was at war, war doesn't build economy for sustainable life. There's not much to conquer to live from either such as the roman empire did, in today's world.

[AzCal Retred]

   Running out of options is a result of failure to sustain alternatives, not a situation that's very desirable to achieve and is likely to lead into totalitarianism.
   Churchill was at war, war doesn't build economy for sustainable life. There's not much to conquer to live from either such as the roman empire did, in today's world.

WOW! Our guy's BAAACK!!   
Thoughtful & to the point. Well spoken!
Next, we'll need a plan & options...

"Remember: A bad plan is better than no plan..."

[AzCal Retred]

Bad Ideas:
It's a bad idea to outbreed the food supply.
It's a bad idea to degrade the local environment to the point there's no biodiversity left. I
t's a bad idea to contaminate and degrade a common resource like the atmosphere, your groundwater, the soil or the ocean.
It's a bad idea to have leadership based on "accident of birth" and social connections rather than demonstrated ability & competency.
It's a bad idea to allow raw capitalism to dominate the political process.

Maybe good ideas:
It might be a good idea to tie citizenship to accomplishment & investment. Voting ability should be tied to completing the same political course as immigrants and successfully completing military service, serving in a "Peace Corps" style organization or achieving competency in & maintaining a productive job for 5 years.
It might be a good idea to require a base level of food and workaday hardware production to come from inside your own country. Tariffs will be involved.
It might be a good idea to break up Agribusiness mega-farms and distribute leases to 160 acre parcels to qualifying  actual Family Farmers.
It might be a good idea to step on the neck of Agribusiness corporations breeding GMO plants that don't reseed themselves and require company specific pesticides. These same Agribusinesses need to be reined in from prosecuting farmers from saving their own seed. Breeding & gene-splicing plants that only you can reproduce has to stop.
It might be a good idea to re-establish the commodities program. 100 pounds of rice & beans, a 20 pound block of cheese, a 10 pound box of powdered milk, a bag of sugar and some freeze-dried vegetables and you won't go hungry. It supports family farms and cuts out the prepared food and recreational food industries.
It might be a good idea to require people to know where (& how) food comes from and how to use basic ingredients to keep yourself fed and healthy.
It might be a good idea to apply the law uniformly regardless of economic status. That means no special country club prisons or home arrest in your penthouse.
It might be a good idea to require new drivers to have a monitored vehicle, recording driving habits for 2 years. Those unable to demonstrate self control can be excluded from the licensed population. Small economy hatchbacks could be supplied for a low fee for those unable to obtain suitable vehicles. These could be maintained by High School, Community College and Prison auto shop classes.

[Casanova]

My main point I was trying to make was that taking big quotes out of context can be misleading, disinformativ and not unlikely to be used as tool of propaganda.

[AzCal Retred]

...such as?

[Leofric]

"Remember: A bad plan is better than no plan..."
They said something like that about Brexit , and look where that has got us !

[him a layin]

or, "a good plan today is better than a perfect plan in two weeks"

[GlennF]

“We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganized. Presumably the plans for our employment were being changed. I was to learn later in life that, perhaps because we are so good at organizing, we tend as a nation to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.” - Charlton Ogburn, pp. 32-33, “Merrill’s Marauders: The truth about an incredible adventure,” Harper’s Magazine, January 1957

[AzCal Retred]

@ #21: "Remember: a bad plan is better than no plan..."They said something like that about Brexit , and look where that has got us !

Brexit was an up/down vote. The implementation of that dumb-ass vote was where "bad plan vs. no plan" comes into play. Letting it crash land was worse than a poor implementation.

[Leofric]

@ #21: "Remember: a bad plan is better than no plan..."They said something like that about Brexit , and look where that has got us !


Brexit was an up/down vote. The implementation of that dumb-ass vote was where "bad plan vs. no plan" comes into play. Letting it crash land was worse than a poor implementation.

There were comments in my local paper recently about people not getting the Brexit they 'craved ',Northern Ireland being left out on a limb, among other things. That is the e
I would say it would be interesting to know what sort of Brexit did people crave that would not have created a problem for Northern Ireland ?

[GlennF]

There were comments in my local paper recently about people not getting the Brexit they 'craved ',Northern Ireland being left out on a limb, among other things. That is the e
I would say it would be interesting to know what sort of Brexit did people crave that would not have created a problem for Northern Ireland ?

They probably thought a sovereign post-Brexit Britain would be so amazingly successful and wondrous that the Free State would kick out all the Fenians and rejoin the UK with cap in hand.

[Richard230]

They probably thought a sovereign post-Brexit Britain would be so amazingly successful and wondrous that the Free State would kick out all the Fenians and rejoin the UK with cap in hand.

More likely the people who voted for Brexit just wanted to go back to the "good old days".  Just like today's Russians want to go back to the good old USSR when standing in line for a loaf of bread for a few hours let you meet all of your neighbors. 

[Leofric]

They probably thought a sovereign post-Brexit Britain would be so amazingly successful and wondrous that the Free State would kick out all the Fenians and rejoin the UK with cap in hand.

I don't remember it being a big consideration at the time of the referendum,so a lot of people probably hardly considered it might be a problem.
(but we were subjected to such a 'Farage' of anti EU propaganda who knows what people thought !)