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Reply #15 on: January 06, 2023, 11:36:00 am
Passion, is what is missing, in my opinion. Soichiro had a passion for great engineering, regardless of cost. All that is long gone, now.

It doesn't seems so, looks like his passion infected the world long time ago, or the result of it.


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Reply #16 on: January 06, 2023, 11:41:19 am
I remember I wanted to buy one. So I travelled to a bike fair to meet the dealer and see the bike. When I arrived they kept the bike as a state secret And I was not allowed to sit on it. So I did not buy one.
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Reply #17 on: January 06, 2023, 11:53:55 am
I remember I wanted to buy one. So I travelled to a bike fair to meet the dealer and see the bike. When I arrived they kept the bike as a state secret And I was not allowed to sit on it. So I did not buy one.

That's cos you want the bun & the money like Soichiro.  ;)


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Reply #18 on: January 06, 2023, 01:21:46 pm
Who would need a Honda, when it's the great people of Japan building it.


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Reply #19 on: January 06, 2023, 01:27:10 pm
Who would need a Honda, when it's the great people of Japan building it.

I'm not sure what that means, but my opinion is that I have always respected the passion, the vision, and the enthusiasm that Soichiro Honda exhibited in his lifetime.

As an American, I wish he was of my country, but he isn't. I like the man, Honda, and his country or origin is secondary.

Is that making any sense?  I admit, I'm mildly retarded, and I have to ask.
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Reply #20 on: January 06, 2023, 01:32:24 pm
Who would need a Honda, when it's the great people of Japan building it.

... certainly nobody working for Honda.  ;)

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Reply #21 on: January 06, 2023, 02:13:57 pm
Passion, is what is missing, in my opinion. Soichiro had a passion for great engineering, regardless of cost. All that is long gone, now.

+1  :)
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Reply #22 on: January 06, 2023, 11:41:30 pm
Who would need a Honda, when it's the great people of Japan building it.

According to the mighty Google - the CBR series, CB series, the Wave, Dream, Super Cub, Hunter Cub, Grom/MSX, Monkey. Scoopy, Zoomer-X, PCX, Click, Icon, Forza,
and the Rebel  are all made in Thailand.


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Reply #23 on: January 06, 2023, 11:44:37 pm
You want to see heads explode?  Remind the hardcore bikers that Harley makes bikes in CHINA.

Not all, but some.
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Reply #24 on: January 07, 2023, 12:02:59 am
Why have a middleman? China’s QJMotor, which is a subsidiary of Qianjiang is filing papers with NTSA even as we debate this. People mostly buy based on price, and QJ makes a LOT of hardware for "others". It's not like they don't know how to make a functional motorcycle & move it off of the sales floor. They even have a biggo Hoggly-Dawg-ish V-twin coming along.

https://www.motodeal.com.ph/articles/motorcycle-news-philippines/qj-motor-developing-powerful-1-301cc-v-twin-engine

As far as HD riders whinging, in the 1970's there were already Keihin carbs and Showa forks coming stock on new machines, none of which the affluent doctors, lawyers & plumbers buying them liked being pointed out. People believe what they like to believe... :o ???
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Reply #25 on: January 07, 2023, 12:49:10 am
Most of Harley's accessories which is a huge source of income for them has been made in China for years now where as a lot of after market parts are made by various companies right here in the states, S&S comes to mind and as I was noticing here  is now offering big bore kits for the Enfield Interceptors. I used to go to the Sturgis Rally for many years and the cross section of riders is much broader  and eclectic than one would think. I hung out at the Hell's Angels house on Third Street one time and ran into Sonny Barger and his crew. Those guys fit the old profile of HD riders to a T but in that sea of bar and shield faithful there were so many personality types and people from all walks of life and philosophies that it's a disservice to try and lump them altogether. Blue collar guys, hippies, intellectuals and artists. I always enjoyed my evenings at One Eyed Jacks bar interacting with these people, very few who fit the stereotype.

My beef with Chinese Motorcycles is trying to weed out the crap from the better built and then the lack of support for their bikes here in the way of dealerships though Harley may change that.

My biggest problem is products from countries that are run by oppressive regimes, especially the war mongering variety. That means Ural out of Russia and all the alphabet soup companies out of China are off my radar in the foreseeable future when I go bike shopping. It is impossible to avoid buying goods from China but when I can I do. Does that make me an Asia phobe ? Considering the number of Japanese bikes I have owned over the years I don't think so.


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Reply #26 on: January 07, 2023, 09:28:01 am
You have highly specialised manufacturing hubs, like for example computer motherboards in Taiwan, Gigabyte, Asus, AsRock.. breaking them up and than hoping to recreate it in your garage? There would seem to be some obstacles to overcome on that way. The super experienced mechanic with an inbuilt torque wrench in his arm won't be of much help there.

Apparently the relocation of iPhone manufacturing back to the US under Trump failed due to the unavailability of such a simple thing as tiny screws.  ;)
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Reply #27 on: January 07, 2023, 02:43:57 pm
I'm gathering from a number of economists China's economy is showing signs of being in trouble some predict that there will be a pullback from an entirely global market as China's enslaved labor alone won't be able to sustain them. If it does come to pass it will be a rough patch for awhile but other nations will be able to retool. There are some signs of this in the US already. Once past that point the sourcing of raw materials will then be the last hurdle for some nations. While China rattles sabers at the moment expect more  than just that for Taiwan and the region of the south China Sea as their economy truly shits the bed. Expansion and war always seems to be the band aid applied by fascist states of which China is one, the model of communism has since disappeared under Xi and gone to one man rule ala Hitler, Stalin, Putin etc. The playbook seems to never change when rulers and nations devolve into this situation.


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Reply #28 on: January 07, 2023, 04:16:57 pm
" Apparently the relocation of iPhone manufacturing back to the US under Trump failed due to the unavailability of such a simple thing as tiny screws. "
What I've seen is that if Corporate doesn't want something to succeed, they usually find some specious rationale not to. Corporate bean counters working in multinationals have no national or political alliances. To them it always devolves to "Cheap = Good". Moving production back to the homeland means higher upfront prices and lower profit margins as there is less slave labor involved. However, being able to make what you need on your own ground promotes your groups long term survival. The politicians job is to guide people in the right direction to promote progress in the publics best interest, not to just work the system to fatten their own bankroll. It's not a bad thing to have a population that's able to repair & maintain their own stuff, that actually know how to do things and have a reasonable idea of how the things they use actually work. There's a lot of positives to having a general population that can "use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without". Those folks from the '30's & '40's had a lot of adaptability & resilience compared to the average modern "consumer". The learning curve will be steep.

" Expansion and war always seems to be the band aid applied by fascist states "
It's an old & noble human tradition - "War is good business, invest your son, daughter, or others offspring". Thinning the herd, smartening up the survivors, the folks left over have more room to grow and some hard found wisdom to do it with. What a helluva process...

" My beef with Chinese Motorcycles is trying to weed out the crap from the better built and then the lack of support for their bikes "
Maybe a more nationally self sufficient market will fix that - more small repair shops, small machine shops, 3-D printer tech, possibly we won't care about sourcing OEM parts. Even the Japanese are reluctant to keep parts for more than ten years back. The lucrative philosophy of planned obsolescence is entrenched, but the side effect seems to be greater performance. Most machines now boast a 6 speed gearbox, even 650cc (40 cubic inch) sport machines routinely produce 120 HP or so in performance guise. Keeping them running long term isn't an issue for a market obsessed with having "the latest tech". IF we go back to on-shore production that'll likely change. The Bullet was built to function in a "make do" 1930's market and was brilliant as basic transport/weekend recreation back when the riders were expected to have basic mechanical & electrical skills. Maybe the future is the frugal Honda CG clone motor in multiple variations. You can certainly expect high performance equipment to become much more expensive to own & operate.
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Reply #29 on: January 07, 2023, 05:28:24 pm
I don't need anything of that, certainly not an iPhone.  ;)