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For the first time in many years a pushrod machine finished on the podium at the 2022 MG2. The machine was a Norton ES2 owned and developed by New Zealander Peter Lodge, and superbly ridden by Mike Browne. Not content with a third finishing position behind two machines that featured twin cylinders and 4 valves per cylinder, on his last lap Mike set a new all time fastest lap for a 500 cc single cylinder machine of 110.312 mph, all the more incredible because it was his first race on a classic machine.

https://www.mcnews.com.au/2022-classic-senior-race-manx-grand-prix/



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Reply #1 on: August 30, 2022, 09:00:33 pm
As Steve Linsdell and Bullet Whisperer have been showing for some time, don't write off the OHV singles...

But where are the Gold Stars and Velocettes? Or does somone have to do this on an Ariel Red Hunter next?

Here's some on-board footage from this very bike, though not at the IoM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9wFtLyxQXs

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Reply #2 on: August 30, 2022, 11:22:33 pm
That's incredible fast, and a faster lap than Agostini did back in the day on his MV Agusta. It also shows that doesn't need to be a Manx but even the much older ES2 can be prepared to deliver rather impressive performance. I doubt even a 500cc 4 valve DOHC single would be much faster.


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Reply #3 on: August 31, 2022, 02:41:21 am
That's incredible fast, and a faster lap than Agostini did back in the day on his MV Agusta. It also shows that doesn't need to be a Manx but even the much older ES2 can be prepared to deliver rather impressive performance. I doubt even a 500cc 4 valve DOHC single would be much faster.

It's a staggering accomplishment on a 500 pushrod single, esp when put in context -

Between 1965 and 1972 Agostini managed 11 race wins of his own, while in 1967 Hailwood set another lap record at 108.77mph, which would stand for a further 11 years.
The record was to stand until 1975 when Hailwood’s absolute lap record was broken by Mike Grant on a two-stroke triple Kawasaki, raising it to 109.80mph
The eighties were dominated by one man - Joey Dunlop. He recorded the first 115mph plus lap in 1980 riding the 3cyl 121HP Rea Racing Yamaha TZ750



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Reply #4 on: August 31, 2022, 09:22:12 pm
The redline looks to be 8,700 RPM, really spinning for a 100mm stroke. Maybe there's a short stroke crank in there, like BW's machine? Otherwise that's likely a titanium, CF nanotube or beryllium rod...and maybe piston too. Inertial forces are huge at those numbers. "Speed costs money - how fast can you afford to go?"

https://www.moto-data.net/norton/500-model-18-and-es2-1947-1954

http://www.back.extreme-tuners.com/cat.php?id=17

https://dragcartel.com/products/k-series-custom-forged-titanium-rods

https://www.highpowermedia.com/Archive/aluminium-beryllium
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advanced-metalsPrevious articles have mentioned a few materials that are used for pistons, and the subject was also covered in a recent Race Engine Technology article on pistons. But there is one material that has been hailed by one piston design expert I spoke to as being ideal here - aluminium-beryllium. Blessed with a combination of desirable properties that may be present individually in other materials, it would almost certainly have been the material of choice now, had it not been banned by the FIA. Such was its importance that it was banned in an era when materials development was very free. In fact, 2010 marks a decade since the controversial decision to ban it.

In 2000, the editor of Race Engine Technology Ian Bamsey wrote in Racer, "Since 1998, Ilmor has manufactured pistons from an aluminium-beryllium alloy, thereby reducing their weight by a third, possibly more, and gaining enhanced thermal conductivity. The cost of this alloy, and the fact that fine beryllium dust particles arguably constitute a health hazard, has led to an effective ban on its use, imposed by the FIA. Under pressure from McLaren and Mercedes, however, this ruling, for which Ferrari lobbied hard, has been postponed to the end of the current season."

In granular form beryllium is indeed hazardous to health. There is a disease associated with it called berylliosis and this is a chronic condition affecting the lungs. Beryllium is used widely in racing engines, in copper-beryllium alloys, and herein lies the key to its safe use. The beryllium in valve seats is alloyed with copper, so it is soluble in copper and is not simply embedded particles of beryllium within the copper matrix. On the other hand, aluminium-beryllium is a metal-matrix composite, with finely divided beryllium reinforcement held in an aluminium matrix, so it is more hazardous.

But I have heard a rumour from more than one source that a certain team objected to the use of this material after it was refused an exclusive supply of it for its own use. Only then, I'm told, did the team's objections on health and cost grounds become so strong. Ron Dennis, whose McLaren team benefited from using aluminium-beryllium pistons from 1998 to 2000, insisted that all of the health risk lay in the manufacture of the parts, not in their use. The material is still used in many applications to this day, albeit outside motorsport.

The reason this material proved to be ideal as a piston material lies in its mechanical properties when compared with those of standard materials. Beryllium has a very low density of 1.85 g/cm3. With an atomic number of four, it is the second metal (if one discounts hydrogen) in the Periodic Table after lithium. It is also very stiff, with an elastic tensile modulus in excess of 280 Gigapascals (GPa). By comparison a typical aluminium alloy has a density of 2.7 g/cm3 and a modulus of 72GPa.

The specific modulus (modulus divided by density) for beryllium is almost 470% greater than that of aluminium. Beryllium's thermal conductivity is also greater than that of a popular aluminium piston alloy by a large margin. So adding beryllium to an aluminium alloy would have some very positive effects. A typical commercially available aluminium-beryllium alloy has a specific stiffness 250% greater than a good piston alloy, and 44% greater thermal conductivity.



A trifecta of Pre-Unit Bullets: a Red Deluxe 500, a Green Standard 500, and a Black ES 350.


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Reply #5 on: August 31, 2022, 10:01:06 pm
Short stroke, big bore for sure. What else you would need to ask the owner. I'm not sure such exotic materials are requred.

Skilled and lightweight rider might be another requirement, which would exclude me.  ;D

Not to underestimate is the much improved rubber compared to the 60ies and the tarmac maybe too.


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Reply #6 on: September 01, 2022, 02:51:03 am
That Aluminum-Beryllium alloy in a piston would certainly give you an edge. A titanium con rod provides clearance that an aluminum rod might not, and is about 20% lighter than steel. If they got those RPM's with stock(ish) parts, that's even more incredible. Materials are just amazing. Remember, it wasn't all that long ago that aluminum was the new wonder metal.
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Reply #7 on: September 01, 2022, 10:18:23 am
That Aluminum-Beryllium alloy in a piston would certainly give you an edge. A titanium con rod provides clearance that an aluminum rod might not, and is about 20% lighter than steel. If they got those RPM's with stock(ish) parts, that's even more incredible. Materials are just amazing. Remember, it wasn't all that long ago that aluminum was the new wonder metal.

Well if you wish to live on the edge...

https://youtu.be/ETxmCCsMoD0

...just go for it.  ;D ... good luck getting just the exact needed amount of balls to handle.  ;)
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Reply #8 on: September 01, 2022, 11:33:30 am
Getting back on topic.

here is a video of scooter racing at the Isle of Mann in 1958.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaOkfJeqzv0


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Reply #9 on: September 05, 2022, 04:06:36 pm
I believe the real edge is knowing that circuit like the back of your hand. Having a superior machine is nice, but if you have not memorized  that long circuit it will not help. Witness Sabine Schmitz as she passes everyone at the Nurburgring in a Van. Rest her soul. Her dad was the caretaker so she had more that 15k laps and the knowledge of every corner.
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Reply #10 on: September 06, 2022, 12:23:50 am
I believe the real edge is knowing that circuit like the back of your hand. Having a superior machine is nice, but if you have not memorized  that long circuit it will not help. Witness Sabine Schmitz as she passes everyone at the Nurburgring in a Van. Rest her soul. Her dad was the caretaker so she had more that 15k laps and the knowledge of every corner.

In 2020 Mike Browne said he'd only ever done 15 laps of the course after debuting at the 2018 Manx GP and competing in 2019 TT...

Make his lap record even more remarkable..


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Reply #11 on: May 09, 2024, 10:40:58 am
The 2023 MGP was even more incredible for the ES2, Mike Browns was actually leading at the end of the first lap !
Unfortunately a miss fire restricted the engine, and although he was able to carry on by short shifting, he finished third.
Steve Linsdell's RE Bullet finished fifth. The first finisher, Dean Harrison on Ted Woof's Summerfield Norton, was the eventual winner, with John McGuinness second on a Paton. Another Paton finished fourth, so the single cylinder fraternity gave a good account of themselves.

Regarding an earlier post where engine details were queried, The Summerfield Norton and the ES2 were identical with a bore of 92 mm, stroke 75 mm. The Linsdell Bullet bore is 90 mm, stroke 78 mm.

I cannot comment on materials used in the Summerfield Norton, but both the ES2 and the Bullet were built without including any components involving the use of exotic and excessively expensive materials. Both continue with two valves and pushrod valve train.

The ES2 is coming again to compete in this years MGP, and with the ignition problem sorted, and Adam Mclean will also be riding the Bullet.


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