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Title: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Richard230 on September 04, 2019, 02:28:03 pm
Yesterday was an active day for the anti-gun crowd in the U.S. Walmart announced that they would stop selling pistol (?) ammunition in all of their stores.

Meanwhile, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to declare the NRA a domestic terrorist organization.  :o  At least they didn't call it a "gang".   ::) They are accusing the NRA of promoting the ownership of guns, causing gun ownership prevention laws to not be approved and encouraging the use of guns that are then killing people.  What a bunch of jerks.  :P
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Guaire on September 04, 2019, 03:57:32 pm
In SFO it's a poop storm in the toilet. It's just a show. Probably just a way for the commies to spend more of people's money in court, defending their own illegal behavior.
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: microbc on September 04, 2019, 06:18:31 pm
Since San Francisco is a sanctuary city and they claim the NRA is a terrorist organization, shouldn't they welcome the NRA and gun owners (who they must also believe are terrorists) with open arms and protect them????
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Richard230 on September 04, 2019, 10:56:57 pm
One of the radio personalizes at an SF station read the entire resolution. It says that SF will not do business with any person or company that associates with the NRA.  Right now their police union is saying that they don't have enough officers to give out sufficient traffic violation tickets to meet the City's "Vision Zero" goal of eliminating all traffic deaths and are recommending that the State Legislature approve installing automatic speed ticketing cameras in the city to control speeding (which is almost impossible to do in the city due to traffic congestion).  I wonder how many SF cops will be fired for being members of the NRA?   >:(

What a city!   :-[  But the "unhoused" and "undocumented" sure love the place.  ::)  Free everything at the taxpayer's expense.  >:(
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: tooseevee on September 04, 2019, 11:33:04 pm
One of the radio personalizes at an SF station read the entire resolution. It says that SF will not do business with any person or company that associates with the NRA.  Right now their police union is saying that they don't have enough officers to give out sufficient traffic violation tickets to meet the City's "Vision Zero" goal of eliminating all traffic deaths and are recommending that the State Legislature approve installing automatic speed ticketing cameras in the city to control speeding (which is almost impossible to do in the city due to traffic congestion).  I wonder how many SF cops will be fired for being members of the NRA?   >:(

What a city!   :-[  But the "unhoused" and "undocumented" sure love the place.  ::)  Free everything at the taxpayer's expense.  >:(

       Ohdearlord, please hold me back from starting in on SF and all the rest of these lunatic Kalifornia cities and Kalifornia in toto and the rest of these cities and states that have been under total Progressive Democrat rule for 50 or 60 years (many way longer than that) and now NONE of the sewerousness (I'm reminded of The Magic Christian) that all of them are steeped in and suffocated by and have been victims of is their responsibility and none of them are the least bit responsible and the media backs them up and supports them and helps get them reelected. Year after year after year after

     "What"?

     "SHUT UP, GEORGE"!! >:( >:(

     "Oh. OK. Sorry"  :-[(http://)

     "Well, you asked me to stop you"


     
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Arizoni on September 05, 2019, 12:34:11 am
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They are accusing the NRA of promoting the ownership of guns, causing gun ownership prevention laws to not be approved and encouraging the use of guns that are then killing people...
That's a good start on a list of the reasons I've been a member of the NRA for over 50 years.

They left out:
 "Standing as a protector of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, against all who would destroy it."

I'm sure that alone is reason enough for the Liberal crowd to list the NRA as being a terrorist organization.
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: wildbill on September 09, 2019, 08:32:06 am
im sure you guys need no-where near the amount of guns you have. I once owed 14 and 40 year later none. looking back wtf did I need 14 guns for......
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Dr Mayhem on September 09, 2019, 03:46:47 pm
BAM!!!

WE don't!.. and we don't need to keep going on and on about them like they're like mom, apple pie and the best piece of ass we've ever had all rolled into one!

Beyond so disgusted with that mindless shit like so many others of us over here
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: ace.cafe on September 09, 2019, 09:12:46 pm
It's fine if anyone doesn't want to have a gun. Nobody is forcing anyone to own one.
If they would simply extend the same courtesy to those who do want them, things would work out very well.

Regarding SF, I think its current condition speaks for itself, so it doesn't need any further denigration by me.

 
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Richard230 on September 09, 2019, 10:08:14 pm
When in SF, I always watch where I step.   :o
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: tooseevee on September 10, 2019, 12:36:07 pm

If they would simply extend the same courtesy to those who do want them, things would work out very well.


         If you EVER expect this from Progressives (and I know you don't) on ANY subject, you have a lonnnng wait (as you already know).

          We must repent and admit our sins and agree with them or they are NEVER satisfied. We are not wrong, we are EEEvil.
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: ace.cafe on September 10, 2019, 01:24:00 pm
         If you EVER expect this from Progressives (and I know you don't) on ANY subject, you have a lonnnng wait (as you already know).

          We must repent and admit our sins and agree with them or they are NEVER satisfied. We are not wrong, we are EEEvil.
Yes, I know, but I like to try starting out with a reasonable request for civility, just in case I may meet the rare moderate variety. If it is the now common bug-eyed zealot variety, I try to get ready for their sucker-punch or other physical attack.
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Richard230 on September 10, 2019, 02:30:56 pm
Everyone's favorite Progressive governor now running California (who is being pushed by the local media to run for President) has just signed into law a bill that would prevent children in elementary schools from being disciplined or expelled for being disruptive or violent in class.  Apparently, the teacher and other students are just supposed to wait until the disruptive student completes their activities and finally calms down.  This is said to be a "social justice" issue.

Anyone want to be a school teacher in California now?
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: tooseevee on September 10, 2019, 05:31:01 pm
Everyone's favorite Progressive governor now running California (who is being pushed by the local media to run for President) has just signed into law a bill that would prevent children in elementary schools from being disciplined or expelled for being disruptive or violent in class.  Apparently, the teacher and other students are just supposed to wait until the disruptive student completes their activities and finally calms down.  This is said to be a "social justice" issue.

Anyone want to be a school teacher in California now?

       This is the result of 60 years of steady yearly increases in Progressive policy influence on every area of what runs this country. Schools and school committees, teachers (and especially teachers' union executives) and the admin staffs of schools across this nation are exclusely Progressive leaning. Many are political activists as are more and more people in congress.

       Progressive funneling and sorting since the end of WW2 is also why our new hire teachers for the past 30 or 40 years have been from the bottom 1/3 of their graduating classes rather than the top 1/3 as it used to be. 

         And by the time it is realized and documented that a teacher is a worthless waste of tax payer money and a danger to children's education (this takes about three years) they have full union protection and permanent status and it costs the town thousands if not millions (towns that are alReady broke) to try to rid themselves of he/she/Q PLUS the whole union and Progressive attack machine comes down on them and will paper the town to death with lawyers.

             A Conservative teacher in today's public schools has to be very, very careful or he/she will be gotten rid of by any method the Progressive Left machine has at its disposal and all that matters is their goal and that is to produce compliant little Progressives who will continue to support the agenda which is to shut down Conservative free speech EVERYwhere.

         Gavin Newsome would fit right in with the loonie tunes who are alREADY running for President. Perfect fit.
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Richard230 on September 10, 2019, 10:41:49 pm
Under this new law that the Gov signed, I figure that the elementary schools will soon resemble the "Lord of the Flies".   :o  It won't take long before the children realize that there are no consequences for "acting out" and then it will classroom terror.  You will reap what you sow.   :(
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: tooseevee on September 11, 2019, 03:36:11 am
Under this new law that the Gov signed, I figure that the elementary schools will soon resemble the "Lord of the Flies".   :o  It won't take long before the children realize that there are no consequences for "acting out" and then it will classroom terror.  You will reap what you sow.   :(

           Blackboard Jungle.

            Actually it's worse than that already in a lot of places. Has been for a lot of years. Many inner-city schools are just daycare warehouses.
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Richard230 on September 11, 2019, 10:14:02 pm
Every day it is something new.   :'( The latest California bill that the governor said he would sign would outlaw independent, contract and part-time workers and reclassify them as "employees" for the companies that they work for. They would all have to be full-time employees of a larger company, apparently. News reports say that the law would affect over a million contract workers.

Kind of tough on independent truck drivers, handymen, and many other jobs.  The law is apparently aimed at Uber drivers, package and food delivery drivers, independent non-union contractors and similar one-man businesses, but a lot of other contract jobs are going to be dragged down with them.  Doctors have been exempted, along with a few other professions in the bill, such as (no surprise) lawyers. 

Anyone else who wants to be exempted from the provisions of the law would have to complete a questionnaire written by the AFLCIO and submit it to a state bureaucrat who would decide if they could be exempted from the law and remain an independent contractor. (Construction unions pushed the bill because they were concerned about a rumor that someone was developing a smart phone app that would allow homeowners to hire workers to perform construction jobs around their homes - instead of just going down to the local Home Depot and dragging someone off of the street.) ::)

Radio talk show news reports said that many of the legislators admitted that they had voted for the law without actually reading it as they weren't given time to do so. Republicans wanted to have public hearings on the proposed law, but Democrats (who have a "super-majority" in the legislature) said that it was too important to let the public comment on the bill and it needed to be passed right away.  :o

There was speculation on the radio talk shows that this was really done to deal a blow to the "underground economy" that operates on cash and doesn't pay payroll, SS, unemployment, employer and various other taxes to the state, federal and local governments.   :o
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Arizoni on September 12, 2019, 03:13:52 am
That law will put a lot of people out of a job.

By making them employees, the company will have to provide health insurance and Social Security payments.

That latter item can cost a company over $6000/year per employee, a price that could easily put a company out of business if they have very many of those part time workers.

Of course the law makers don't give a shit.  They are only looking for more money going into the 'system' under the pretext of looking like they are on the workers side.
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Richard230 on September 12, 2019, 02:22:59 pm
That law will put a lot of people out of a job.

By making them employees, the company will have to provide health insurance and Social Security payments.

That latter item can cost a company over $6000/year per employee, a price that could easily put a company out of business if they have very many of those part time workers.

Of course the law makers don't give a shit.  They are only looking for more money going into the 'system' under the pretext of looking like they are on the workers side.

You are exactly right and that is what the analysts are saying about the law, which the Governor says he will sign.  But guess what? The legislators and "progressives" don't give a shit (as you say) - which they ignore anyway while walking around the streets of San Francisco.  ::)

I assume that if tens of thousands of people get laid off because small businesses close, or just can't afford to make their independent contractors (which are now working and can work at more than one job), full-time employees, which will then become homeless, the politicians will feel sorry for them and rush to help them out with public funds so that their lives living on the street in a tent will be more comfortable.  >:(

It just occurred to me that maybe an up and coming job career for someone who wanted to start up a new business would be making tents designed for California public sidewalk living.  ::)

I just heard a new report about the law that said that independent musicians and singers are not exempted from the law.  So if you want to create a band you will have to pay your other band members as employees and pay them as if they were working at a Ford factory.

What hasn't been mentioned yet is that the law would likely apply to seniors who hire an in-home care person as they get older and don't want (or can't afford) to live in a nursing home. Can you imagine a 90-year old woman having to pay a person helping them live in their home as a full-time employee, with breaks, paid lunchtime, overtime after 8 hours of work, health insurance, paid vacations, deducting income and SS taxes, etc., etc.?  :o  That is just crazy!  I might add that I have a friend who just had to place his mother in a nursing home when she fell down and broke her hip. She is paying $10,000 a month to live in the facility.  It won't take long before she goes broke and has to sell the home that she lived in all of her life. What a way to spend the last years of your life and then end up with nothing.  :'(

The Government is here to help.   >:(

The latest reports say that newspapers (the LA Times was mentioned) are very much concerned what this law will do to their paper delivery services.  Right now they pay independent contractors per paper delivered, but if they had to employee paperboys full time that would really put the printed paper home delivery service in financial jeopardy. The law gives newspaper companies one year to figure it out before it will apply to them.

The state's newspaper publishing organization took out a 1/2 page ad in today's newspaper complaining about the new law and stating that it will likely put smaller newspapers out of business because they can't afford to pay newspaper delivery people as full-time employees. 
Title: Re: Tough day for the NRA and gun owners
Post by: Bilgemaster on September 12, 2019, 10:39:29 pm
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       Progressive funneling and sorting since the end of WW2 is also why our new hire teachers for the past 30 or 40 years have been from the bottom 1/3 of their graduating classes rather than the top 1/3 as it used to be. 

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Broader opportunities for women since the Eisenhower Administration is the culprit. Once teaching was one of few professions open to smart and well educated women. This has changed. You want better teachers, pay them better.