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Hillbillythumper

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Reply #15 on: December 09, 2021, 05:05:28 am
I just went back and looked at the eBay listing from Endfield country. Their picture shows nibs on the rotor. The rotor they sent has no nibs. The part number the dealer gave me is 570862. The eBay listing quotes that part number.


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Reply #16 on: December 09, 2021, 05:14:08 am
The part number is 570862. The eBay listing references that part number. Their picture shows nibs on the rotor. The rotor they sent me has no nibs.


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Reply #17 on: December 09, 2021, 10:49:01 am
The rotor with only one nib is for older bikes, not efi.
Although it can be retro fitted if you swap over to a carb.
Your modern efi needs the one with multiple nibs, 18 I think?
Also hitchcocks say 570862 is superceded by part number 572362.
But that's for euro 3 bikes.
https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/s.nl?ext=F&sc=1&category=&search=570862

A search through parts lists shows euro4 bikes to use,
Flywheel Magento Assy ( 18-1 PIP)
SKU: 571282/B

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/35991
« Last Edit: December 09, 2021, 11:23:30 am by Haggis »
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Reply #18 on: December 09, 2021, 02:26:27 pm
...and that's why I don't buy deep motor or important parts from India...

Here's pix of the two rotors. On H's site, Haggis part number of 571282/B returned this: 571282
No "superceeded" info was attached. A quick e-mail to Hitchcocks should provide clarity & reassurance.
Most stuff I order from H's is "door to door" in 4-6 days and you actually get what you ordered.
Once you figure out what you actually received from India, you can always sell it on e-bay.

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/41078
PART No. 572362 ; Replaces 570862
FLYWHEEL MAGNETO ASSY. WITH 5MM DIA STATOR MTG HOLE ; £169.40 ( x 1.3 = $220 USD )

https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/35991
PART No. 571282 (searched as 571282/B ) ; FLYWHEEL MAGNETO ASSEMBLY (18-1 PIP) (EURO-4 B5 C5 Models) ; £165.00

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Reply #19 on: December 09, 2021, 03:41:34 pm
As I said, its part 570862 that has been superceded.
As his bike is a euro4 he will require 571282.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2021, 03:43:57 pm by Haggis »
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Reply #20 on: December 09, 2021, 03:56:36 pm
The part number is 570862. The eBay listing references that part number. Their picture shows nibs on the rotor. The rotor they sent me has no nibs.

Hillbillythumper - I would get in touch with Tim Hirdler. He ran RE's parts for the USA before RENA. I believe he would know the different generations of parts and what fits what.

https://westerncyclesupply.com
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Reply #21 on: December 09, 2021, 06:01:58 pm
Thanks Gentlemen. I will contact western cycle supply. This has been frustrating but I want my bike back on the road. It only has 4000 miles on it.


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Reply #22 on: December 09, 2021, 06:12:00 pm
The part number is 570862. The eBay listing references that part number. Their picture shows nibs on the rotor. The rotor they sent me has no nibs.
Ask for a refund.  "Item received does not match picture / description" is likely going to be sufficient grounds to get you a refund, without even shipping the rotor back.

If the parts physically fit, I might be interested in giving those unwanted parts a new home.  I'd like to accumulate all the parts I'd need to kick my Euro 3 C5's ECU to the curb, just for fun.

It is concerning that you are measuring less than 5 volts across pairs of yellow alternator phase wires.   When I ran this test on my 1999, single phase Bullet alternator, seems like I was getting voltages in the high 30s VAC range, tested open circuit and revved up a bit.  You tested with the rect/reg connected, or open circuit?


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Reply #23 on: December 10, 2021, 01:02:34 am
I tested the alternator leads open circuit.


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Reply #24 on: December 10, 2021, 06:04:28 pm
The part number 571282/B has been superseded by 571282/C.


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Reply #25 on: January 16, 2022, 10:32:11 pm
Well guys, I got the correct alternator for my bike (as far as I can tell) from Tim at Western Cycle supply and carefully installed it. I have no spark. Resistance of CKP is 208 ohms, same as the original. Showing output with kick starter. Cannot find any bad connections. Fuel pump pressures up and motor cranks normally but not so much as a pop. Pulled plug and cranked with starter. No spark. Tearing my hair out :-X any suggestions?


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Reply #26 on: January 16, 2022, 10:38:18 pm
Measure the line that goes to the spark coil (if possible  with an oscilloskope). If you get signal, change coil. If you dont have signal, check fuses. If everything is right, change ECU.
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Reply #27 on: January 16, 2022, 11:11:01 pm
I don’t have oscilloscope. I do have a fairly elaborate multi meter. Will it be a 12 volt signal? Is there no way to check the ECU?
I checked the fuses.
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Reply #28 on: January 16, 2022, 11:12:44 pm
By the way I checked the fuses.


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Reply #29 on: January 16, 2022, 11:17:19 pm
Check if the coil even gets voltage. That is the first step.

Did you get error messages from the ECU?
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