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Reply #75 on: May 05, 2021, 12:28:06 am
A Biggo +1 to Bilgemaster @ #72! :o  That lady is a textbook study in ultrecrepidarianism.

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Reply #76 on: May 05, 2021, 07:52:21 am
R230 - At $500M you were a bit low. With numbers like that it's clear that there isn't a solution being proposed, the homeless are just being used for a proxy cash harvest mechanism. Like in the "war on drugs", there's always a monetary driver for the astute middleman.

Drugs are easy - decriminalize drugs, subsidize domestic production by "mom 'n pop" farms only, set up Federal Drug rehab camps with beds, toilets, kitchens & let evolution take its course. No TV, video, electronic games or internet, just community gardens, small livestock & a real book library. Anyone testing clean for 30 days gets to function as "medical help assistants" and let them clean up piss, shit & vomit for 90 days for the medical folks. Still clean after that stint, give them $10K and let them out. Folks that learn will stay out, others will cycle thru again. Some will stay on as semi-permanent stoners. "Failures" get photographed & buried in a trench Viet-Nam style. We as a country overnight stop subsidizing terrorism around the world & eliminate much of the domestic crime issue. We also put a huge multi-billion dollar "law enforcement" industry based around "controlling drugs" out of business overnight. Drugs have never been controlled, just severely monetized. Supplying the need in-country stops the money-sucking lie. Folks stay clean because they have the will to do so, the same reason we aren't all hopeless alcoholics. Laws already exist banning working, driving or operating equipment impaired.

The homeless need shelter, some food, sanitation & medical care as lots of them are just older folks with no options. To keep things real, you need to put the able-bodied to work and pay them, like the CCC programs did in the 1930's. One thing they can do is function as Park & city street cleaners. Another is to bus them out to the brush filled forests and let them assist in fire-fighting prevention by removing & clearing vegetation from around State & private structures, and for the more able even the "back-country" forest. Fires already cost tens of billions in damages to the California economy, so the money is there for some prevention. Giving homeless folks a paying job keeps them out of other trouble and is a "Christian" thing to do, help your fellow citizens. Job training classes and general education could provide other useful methods of filling their off hours, again reducing "mischief" opportunities.

And for the drug-loving percentage, that's where the Federal Drug Rehab camps come into play. You can stay there semi-permanently, cheaply staying stoned until you shuffle off, or you can bootstrap yourself back with a nice paycheck to start off with if you step up and clean up. Either way, these camps would be WAY EASIER on everyone else than living daily with the actual cost of illegal drugs. The ONLY GUY keeping you off of drugs or alcohol is that guy in the mirror. Just my $0.05...

https://www.hoover.org/research/only-san-francisco-61000-tents-and-350000-public-toilets#:~:text=San%20Francisco%20estimates%20about%208%2C000,about%20%24106%2C500%20per%20homeless%20individual.
The city’s 2020–21 budget for the Department of Homeless and Supportive Housing is about $852 million. To put that in perspective, Sacramento’s city budget is about $650 million, which covers all public services for their population of over 500,000.



Don't you have already enough of the social engineering? You want to observe the outcomes of that kind of schemes in real? The right place for you would be Sweden than, just go to the controlled and gov. owned liquer store with 20 Stasi employees around reporting back to the rehab centre how much beer you bought. Who are you to determine yourself how much you can drink and if you are an alcoholic? You will get engaged if you like it or not. It's profitable to engage everyone in it since the state pays and doesn't ask questions. Maybe the reason so many brew their beer at home although it's expensive as s#$it and tastes like it too.
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Reply #77 on: May 05, 2021, 10:58:29 am
Yea but you still not getting to grips with the homeless problem it just gets worse and worse year by year, in the UK they will never get out of the problem it just gets deeper and deeper with more people and families becoming homeless, they house them in redundant office blocks, you can forget the homeless situation ever changing it will be a permanent feature of the future due to mass migration and other economic factors it's here to stay, good old government negligence, deliberately inflating the property markets to get rich and make corporate profit for the rich.
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Reply #78 on: May 05, 2021, 11:20:48 am
Yea but you still not getting to grips with the homeless problem it just gets worse and worse year by year, in the UK they will never get out of the problem it just gets deeper and deeper with more people and families becoming homeless, they house them in redundant office blocks, you can forget the homeless situation ever changing it will be a permanent feature of the future due to mass migration and other economic factors it's here to stay, good old government negligence, deliberately inflating the property markets to get rich and make corporate profit for the rich.

The more they "help" the worce it´s getting. Normally the cure to high prices are high prices because that makes new supply economically possible. Doesn´t work in Sweden because everyone is engaged in preventing things from moving.  ;)

Maybe, a mandatory shot of that vaccine could help.
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Reply #79 on: May 05, 2021, 12:25:56 pm
Well the uk is just the same it's like the brakes have been put on everything they only remain normal for a selected few and authority employees, l am not voting tommorow l am sick of the lot of them liars and cheaters.


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Reply #80 on: May 05, 2021, 01:15:00 pm
A Biggo +1 to Bilgemaster @ #72! :o  That lady is a textbook study in ultrecrepidarianism.

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And what exactly would you do that's neither bad or good?  :D
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Reply #81 on: May 05, 2021, 02:34:25 pm
R230 - At $500M you were a bit low. With numbers like that it's clear that there isn't a solution being proposed, the homeless are just being used for a proxy cash harvest mechanism. Like in the "war on drugs", there's always a monetary driver for the astute middleman.

Drugs are easy - decriminalize drugs, subsidize domestic production by "mom 'n pop" farms only, set up Federal Drug rehab camps with beds, toilets, kitchens & let evolution take its course. No TV, video, electronic games or internet, just community gardens, small livestock & a real book library. Anyone testing clean for 30 days gets to function as "medical help assistants" and let them clean up piss, shit & vomit for 90 days for the medical folks. Still clean after that stint, give them $10K and let them out. Folks that learn will stay out, others will cycle thru again. Some will stay on as semi-permanent stoners. "Failures" get photographed & buried in a trench Viet-Nam style. We as a country overnight stop subsidizing terrorism around the world & eliminate much of the domestic crime issue. We also put a huge multi-billion dollar "law enforcement" industry based around "controlling drugs" out of business overnight. Drugs have never been controlled, just severely monetized. Supplying the need in-country stops the money-sucking lie. Folks stay clean because they have the will to do so, the same reason we aren't all hopeless alcoholics. Laws already exist banning working, driving or operating equipment impaired.

The homeless need shelter, some food, sanitation & medical care as lots of them are just older folks with no options. To keep things real, you need to put the able-bodied to work and pay them, like the CCC programs did in the 1930's. One thing they can do is function as Park & city street cleaners. Another is to bus them out to the brush filled forests and let them assist in fire-fighting prevention by removing & clearing vegetation from around State & private structures, and for the more able even the "back-country" forest. Fires already cost tens of billions in damages to the California economy, so the money is there for some prevention. Giving homeless folks a paying job keeps them out of other trouble and is a "Christian" thing to do, help your fellow citizens. Job training classes and general education could provide other useful methods of filling their off hours, again reducing "mischief" opportunities.

And for the drug-loving percentage, that's where the Federal Drug Rehab camps come into play. You can stay there semi-permanently, cheaply staying stoned until you shuffle off, or you can bootstrap yourself back with a nice paycheck to start off with if you step up and clean up. Either way, these camps would be WAY EASIER on everyone else than living daily with the actual cost of illegal drugs. The ONLY GUY keeping you off of drugs or alcohol is that guy in the mirror. Just my $0.05...

https://www.hoover.org/research/only-san-francisco-61000-tents-and-350000-public-toilets#:~:text=San%20Francisco%20estimates%20about%208%2C000,about%20%24106%2C500%20per%20homeless%20individual.
The city’s 2020–21 budget for the Department of Homeless and Supportive Housing is about $852 million. To put that in perspective, Sacramento’s city budget is about $650 million, which covers all public services for their population of over 500,000.



AcCal Retired: I think you are right on with your idea about paying out-of-work and homeless people to perform meaningful tasks that benefit society, as was done by the CCC during the Great Depression. My dad worked for the CCC during the 1930's. He grew up on a worn-out farm in the Missouri Ozarks. After joining the CCC he worked in the county building parks, cleaning up debris and building various small structures, as well as fighting fires when needed. At the end of the work day he taught the other young men in the organization how to read and write as he was one of only two in the local CCC who had an education.

But no one that I know of has wanted to create a CCC-type work group. It has been mentioned that might be because government unions don't want the homeless or jobless performing tasks that they feel are their right to perform. About the only program that I  am aware of locally is the city of San Jose paying a few of their homeless to pick up their own trash (like stuff that the city workers don't want to touch), for a lot less than city workers are paid.  But I am not aware of any current government program that has out of luck people actually building lasting improvements like the CCC did back in the day.

I am still amazed at what the CCC was able to perform during the few years that they were in existence - which ended when WWII started. (My dad enlisted in the AAC and was stationed at Hamilton Field for most of the war). As one amazing example of the work that the CCC did is Pinnacles National Monument (now Park) in central California. They cut a tunnel through granite by hand, built trails all over the park, built bathrooms and the visitor center and cut hiking trails with steel handrails up sheer cliffs that are still used daily by hundreds of visitors. Without the CCC I doubt that anything like that could have been accomplished so quickly and so well using the current method of hiring a private contracting firm with the lowest bid to perform the work. The Civilian Conservation Corp is an idea that really needs to be duplicated today. But I suspect its day has passed. Now there are just too many contracting and work rules for that to happen.   :(
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Reply #82 on: May 05, 2021, 02:57:31 pm
All that is changeable with the stroke of a pen. The tricky part as always is finding out exactly who's making money by keeping the current situation status quo. At that point you have a much better idea of how best to proceed.

I worked with older guys in the 1970's that had spent time in their youth working CCC jobs. They had good memories of the CCC, said it gave them a job, fed them, housed them, and allowed them to send money home during some very tough times. People do better when they have a purpose & a function. Paying folks to do work towards the general welfare of all of us has a lot of benefits. It keeps a lot of folks out of the "correctional" system. Driving up the PCH in Oregon there are an entire series of CCC concrete bridges that were built in the 1930's, still standing & in use, things of beauty made by poor folks.
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Reply #83 on: May 05, 2021, 03:16:36 pm
All that is changeable with the stroke of a pen. The tricky part as always is finding out exactly who's making money by keeping the current situation status quo. At that point you have a much better idea of how best to proceed.

I worked with older guys in the 1970's that had spent time in their youth working CCC jobs. They had good memories of the CCC, said it gave them a job, fed them, housed them, and allowed them to send money home during some very tough times. People do better when they have a purpose & a function. Paying folks to do work towards the general welfare of all of us has a lot of benefits. It keeps a lot of folks out of the "correctional" system.


Careful, you're making good sense again.


Driving up the PCH in Oregon there are an entire series of CCC concrete bridges that were built in the 1930's, still standing & in use, things of beauty made by poor folks.

And also moving dangerously close to patriotically insightful, too.


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Reply #84 on: May 05, 2021, 03:19:50 pm
But no one that I know of has wanted to create a CCC-type work group. It has been mentioned that might be because government unions don't want the homeless or jobless performing tasks that they feel are their right to perform. About the only program that I  am aware of locally is the city of San Jose paying a few of their homeless to pick up their own trash (like stuff that the city workers don't want to touch), for a lot less than city workers are paid. 


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Reply #85 on: May 05, 2021, 04:08:20 pm
All that is changeable with the stroke of a pen. The tricky part as always is finding out exactly who's making money by keeping the current situation status quo. At that point you have a much better idea of how best to proceed..

...and who could be making money from keeping the status quo in a frozen state and how? This situation is fear driven, someone is scared to make less money, more likely though its fear of losing power or social status maybe. Its masspsychosis, not easy to repair, caused by some drug dealers this time.
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Reply #86 on: May 05, 2021, 05:45:35 pm
gib·ber·ish;  /ˈjib(ə)riSH/  : noun; unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense.; "he talks gibberish" ; Definitions from Oxford Languages
“Patriotism” vs. “Nationalism”: What’s The Difference?
You’ve probably heard of public servants carrying out great acts of patriotism. You’ve probably also heard of concerns of a rising wave of nationalism around the world. Yes, both words involve some form of pride in one’s country, but there is an incredibly important distinction to be made between the two. Historically, both patriotism and nationalism were used roughly in the same way. But they significantly diverged along the way, and one has a much more positive connotation than the other. Do you know which is which?
What is patriotism?
The word patriotism is a noun that means “devoted love, support, and defense of one’s country; national loyalty.”
The term often brings to mind people directly involved with the defense of a nation, namely military service members as well as state and local government representatives. For example: The soldiers showed exemplary patriotism defending their country from attack.
Patriotism, however, can take many other forms outside serving in the military and public office. Diplomats, teachers, first responders, and so many more all exemplify patriotism in the many forms of good they do in service of their communities.
There are millions of government employees, as well as millions who volunteer their time in the interest of their country. Individual acts of pride, such as displaying an American flag at one’s home, are also examples of patriotism.
The word patriotism is first recorded in the early 1700s. Interestingly, by the 1770s, the word patriot could refer to “a member of a resistance movement, a freedom fighter,” specifically those who fought against the British in the war for independence—associations that persist today.
Patriotism is based on patriot, which is recorded in the 1500s. This word ultimately derives from Greek patriṓtēs, “fellow-countryman or lineage member.” The root of this word, in turn, means “fatherland.” Paternal, patriarchy, and even English’s own father are related.
What is nationalism?
In most contexts today, nationalism is “the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one’s own nation viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.” In short, nationalism is a kind of excessive, aggressive patriotism.
Modern nationalism is rooted, in part, in French and American revolutions that fought for the sovereignty of their people over monarchies. This historic nationalism is generally viewed favorably, a cornerstone of Western liberalism and democracy.
However, fascist regimes have merged the fervor of nationalism with the notions of superiority, especially when it comes to ethnicity and religion. In such contexts,  “patriots” can become those who happened to agree with you or look like you, and “traitors” those who do not.
This form of nationalism is what happens when patriotism gets out of hand and morphs into something more exclusionary, isolationist, and … well, chauvinist. For example, The lecturer’s speech on immigration and foreign policy quickly devolved into nationalism, blaming undocumented migrants for the climbing unemployment rate, making much of the audience feel uneasy.
Such nationalism can result in jingoism, which is a form of extreme nationalism promoting vigilant preparedness for war and an aggressive foreign policy. It can also result in isolationism, or “the policy or doctrine of isolating one’s country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreement.”
Recorded in the early 1800s, nationalism, as you probably guessed, is based on nation, ultimately from a Latin word meaning “birth, tribe.”
How to use patriotism vs. nationalism
When using these words, it’s important to keep context, and connotation, in mind:
Patriotism generally has a positive connotation. It’s used for various positive sentiments, attitudes, and actions involving loving one’s country and serving the great good of all its people.
Nationalism generally has a negative connotation. It’s used for political ideologies and movements that a more extreme and exclusionary love of one’s country—at the expense of foreigners, immigrants, and even people in a country who aren’t believed to belong in some way, often racial and religious grounds.
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Reply #87 on: May 05, 2021, 11:24:12 pm
And when did those terms "diverge along the way"?
Well, about the same time that the globalist elite started psychologically preparing the populations for their unipolar one world goverment goal over the previous 100 years or so. It's called "propaganda". These billionaires own most major mass media, and the media promotes the goals of those owners, in an easily consumable way for the various target audiences/readers. Been so for quite a long time, in fact.

I would like to point out it's VERY important to the globalist/technocrat/banking cabal and their "Great Reset" to demonize nationalism to the maximum extent possible, in order to get easier consensus to destroy borders and countries in order to facilitate the blending of all into the new homogenized global order of equal poverty for all but the "elite".
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Reply #88 on: May 06, 2021, 02:34:53 am
And when did those terms "diverge along the way"?
Well, about the same time that the globalist elite started psychologically preparing the populations for their unipolar one world goverment goal over the previous 100 years or so. It's called "propaganda". These billionaires own most major mass media, and the media promotes the goals of those owners, in an easily consumable way for the various target audiences/readers. Been so for quite a long time, in fact.

I would like to point out it's VERY important to the globalist/technocrat/banking cabal and their "Great Reset" to demonize nationalism to the maximum extent possible, in order to get easier consensus to destroy borders and countries in order to facilitate the blending of all into the new homogenized global order of equal poverty for all but the "elite".


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Reply #89 on: May 06, 2021, 02:35:59 am
It looks like these words predate the rise & fall of many nations, having existed since the 1700's. It's somewhat unlikely a world-wide conspiracy could have originated 400 years ago, in the age of industrial steam & sail.

The Great Reset is a recent addition, looks like it took about 6 months for the Dark Web to integrate it into the catechism after lifting it from the Davos meeting nomenclature. Seems perhaps a poor strategy for the "one-world plotters" to reveal their catchphrase? Quite a lapse in discipline after 400 years.

From the article:
" The word patriotism is first recorded in the early 1700s."
" Recorded in the early 1800s, nationalism, "


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset
" In June 2020, the theme of the January 2021 51st World Economic Forum Annual Meeting was announced as "The Great Reset","

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset#Conspiracy_theory_by_the_same_name
" A November 2020 article said that the Great Reset conspiracy theory, was the first in the Presidency of Joe Biden.[1 11] A January 30, 2021 article in The Economist said that the United States has a "rich history of conspiracism, due to its anti-government, apocalyptic religious and entrepreneurial traditions."[1 12] According to the article, 50% of Trump's supporters espoused QAnon "core falsehoods" that Trump was "leading the fight" against a corrupt, global, and high-level "Democratic child-sex operation".[1 12] Trump promoted the QAnon conspiracy which combined a number of "fabrications into a single narrative."[1 12] With the COVID-19 pandemic combined with presidential election, the "far-reaching and baseless QAnon conspiracy" has spread worldwide. Adherents believe they are an "embattled minority"—the only ones that "know 'the truth'." Mainstream media outlets such as The New York Times, the BBC, and The Guardian traced the spread of the latest conspiracy theory on the great reset, which had integrated the anti-lockdown conspiracies, to far-right internet personalities and groups—some also supporting the QAnon conspiracy theory—including Candace Owens, Glenn Beck, Fox News' Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson,[1 10][1 13][1 3][38] and Paul Joseph Watson,[1 14] the UK-based editor of Alex Jones' far-right conspiracy website Infowars where he advocated for the New World Order among others.[1 15] "
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