Your description above ... I get it and share that opinion.
I don't like what I call "toggle switch traction". I like tires that "walk" a little. I spent some time a couple of days ago in the "Are larger tires possible" thread describing my 90/10 Avons on my RE. When reading your other posts and watching your trackday videos I think you could find some satisfaction with one of three Avon choices depending on your personal fine-line distinctions between road riding and sport/track.
I've been through a few sets of Avons on other bikes over the years and find them to stay round (not flat-center). The newer ones with the 3D Sipe Technology give me extra confidence in the rain. I've tested them in a water covered parking lot and also by putting my traction control in the most sensitive setting and in a controlled way seeing if I can make the light flash in the rain. I think they are wicked good.
I have not had them on the RE long (2 gays) but I have no reason to expect them behave differently than before. But as you pointed out, tires shouldn't be judged by the last mili-ounce of traction but by the hints they give you moments prior to that limit. Then it is up to us to be able to take a hint .
Thanks for your information, although you may be confusing me with someone else, my trackday videos usually feature cars, either high power turbo engines crammed in old RWD cars, or just very lightweight RWD cars with no assistance whatsoever
Depends what you are looking for. E.. g. the stock Pirelli have a clearly more rounded shape than the BT46, which comes at the price of less directional stability and longitudinal sensivity. The BT46 just ignores these longitudinal lines, where the Pirellis have been nervously "dancing" over.
Do you really get in the range where tires tell you "I'm out of grip soon" ? Usually the footpegs touch the road before that. Maybe the GT footpegs have more ground clearance though than on the Interceptor.
Ok, i will try to get a more precise description. I want mainly 3 things: feeling, progressive grip loss, and a tyre that keeps roundish when it gets older. I do not need ultimate grip, i'd rather have a bit lower grip and tyres that start getting traction when colder. If they can last more, then i would like them even more. But really what i want the most is the grip feeling in the wet, combined with progressive grip loss.
I want tyres that allow me to feel how much grip i have left, and will not go from "I grip" to "go die in that ditch" in a split second. I'd rather have overall less grip and an easier transition from "grip" to "no grip". Most tyres can do well and grind footpegs when it is dry, but what I want is control when the conditions are bad and the grip is low. I want grip and predictability when it rains, when it is cold, when i can see damp zones on the road and snow on the side, or when it rains so hard that i do not have a square inch of skin left dry. These are the times i am likely to crash due to a loss of grip, not when it is hot, sunny and dry.
I’m with NVDucati here. I like progressive feel, no surprises. Surprises are what causes highsides, for xample. I can dig a bike squirrelling around, lets you know where you stand.
Agree ... I already did two of these on track, and now i just cannot track bikes. I get afraid and just freeze past some angle. Strangely enough, i can hardly count how many times i ended in a gravel pit or spun with a car on track, but I never got afraid ... guess i never hurt myself as hard either.
If michelin did some pilot road 2ct for our bikes i'd probably get them as they fit my checklist pretty well, but they do not.