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Title: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Chasfield on October 21, 2009, 06:44:20 pm
An American politician recently described these Wall Street types who just got their butts rescued with public money, but are now about to award each other mega bonuses, as living on Mars when the rest of us are living on planet Earth.

This was the worse deal ever, and Jack's hand full of beans for his Mum's best milk cow looks like a good trade by comparison.

I have to say that I go to sleep chewing my pillow thinking about the mess we (US and UK) are in.

In the UK we stumped up some tens of billions of pounds for our wrecked banks. It so happens that our education budget is some tens of billions of pounds. If we have to cut the latter for the sake of the former, then we are all fools indeed.

 >:(
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Vince on October 21, 2009, 08:27:17 pm
    Lucy, let me 'splain. These very people that you rail against have only our best interests at heart. Politicians, bankers, and others of the rich elite simply know better than you what is best for you. They selflessly work for our betterment. They never stop thinking of new ways to protect and nurture us and protect us from ourselves.
     Just today I was reading about your British Home Office. In their infinite wisdom and caring they have created a new safer design for your pint mugs. It will be a shatterproof plastic so it can't be used as a weapon. You will be safe in the pubs. See? They really do care!!!!.
     When I think of all the ways my government helps and protects me I just want to hang my head between my knees and weep for joy. Big Brother loves me.
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Anon on October 21, 2009, 09:07:02 pm
In their infinite wisdom and caring they have created a new safer design for your pint mugs. It will be a shatterproof plastic so it can't be used as a weapon
Beer in plastic pint cups is SOOOO wrong!  They might as well make us drink out of those plastic sippy cups that toddlers use.   :'(

Eamon
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: mbevo1 on October 21, 2009, 09:32:08 pm
Just saw a press release that the companies who got  the seven largest handouts will be required to cut the top 25 executive's compensation by about 90% and all executives will be cut an average of 50%.  AIG people will be capped at $200K. 

How will they get by...

Mike and Stumpy in Michigan
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Vince on October 21, 2009, 09:36:06 pm
    




Beer in plastic pint cups is SOOOO wrong!  They might as well make us drink out of those plastic sippy cups that toddlers use.   :'(

Eamon

      Eamon, you are brilliant!  With proper valving and a tamper proof top we would also be protected from choking! I will forward your ideas to the British Home Office as well as our own Consumer Products Safety Commission. I feel safer already.



Just saw a press release that the companies who got  the seven largest handouts will be required to cut the top 25 executive's compensation by about 90% and all executives will be cut an average of 50%.  AIG people will be capped at $200K. 

How will they get by...

Mike and Stumpy in Michigan


     We could give them a Federal pension as their reward for all their good deeds and help in these times.

    
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: ace.cafe on October 21, 2009, 10:21:46 pm
   
     We could give them a Federal pension as their reward for all their good deeds and help in these times.

    

I was thinking more in terms of a Federal Penitentiary.
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Cabo Cruz on October 22, 2009, 02:38:34 am
"We could give them a Federal pension as their reward for all their good deeds and help in these times."  Vince

"I was thinking more in terms of a Federal Penitentiary."  ace.cafe


Hot dog, Br. Ace, you beat me to it, man!!!

P.S.   Br. Vince, Desi Arnaz and I, believe it or not,
        are from the same hometown -- Santiago de
        Cuba.  He and my mom were classmates in
        elementary school.  And, no, I'm not the guy's
        illegitimate son!
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: 1Blackwolf1 on October 22, 2009, 04:42:58 am
"We could give them a Federal pension as their reward for all their good deeds and help in these times."  Vince

"I was thinking more in terms of a Federal Penitentiary."  ace.cafe


Hot dog, Br. Ace, you beat me to it, man!!!

P.S.   Br. Vince, Desi Arnaz and I, believe it or not,
        are from the same hometown -- Santiago de
        Cuba.  He and my mom were classmates in
        elementary school.  And, no, I'm not the guy's
        illegitimate son!


  We wanna see pictures to be sure... :D :D :D.  Will.
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: 1Blackwolf1 on October 22, 2009, 04:44:42 am
I was thinking more in terms of a Federal Penitentiary.

  I was thinking of a good drawing and quartering..breaking on the wheel..walking the plank..
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: jdrouin on October 22, 2009, 05:36:20 am
  I was thinking of a good drawing and quartering..breaking on the wheel..walking the plank..

You guys forgot burning at the stake on a fire of dollar bills.

Jeff
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: 1Blackwolf1 on October 22, 2009, 12:36:27 pm
You guys forgot burning at the stake on a fire of dollar bills.

Jeff

  No they give us the stack of money to burn them at the stake.  We come up with the burning material.  Will.
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: StephenCB on October 22, 2009, 12:37:31 pm
You guys forgot burning at the stake on a fire of dollar bills.

Because at the rate the dollar is dropping in value, that's what we'll be using them for; to light and fuel our cook stoves...
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Chasfield on October 22, 2009, 05:53:12 pm
Exchange rate - oh yeah, the implausibility of rewarding the economy wreckers ultimately helps to debase the currency - if we look like a ship of fools then who wants to have truck with the dollar (or pound) any more?

This cloud has a silver, well maybe off-white, lining. If they let the dollar become almost worthless and stoke up hyper-inflation, pretty soon all that impossibly high dollar debt burden will start to look smaller, so we don't worry about it so much. Of course, by then a cup of coffee will be $200, your pension will be like a kid's pocket money allowance and most folk will be trading goods for cigarettes.

Not that I want to be seen as a prophet of doom or anything.

 ;)
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Cabo Cruz on October 22, 2009, 08:34:03 pm
"We wanna see pictures to be sure... " :D :D :D.  Will.

Well, I can tell, Br. Will, that my dad, who was born in La Habana and moved to Santiago when he was in his twenties, used to think that my little joke was pretty funny, also!  He had a great sense of humor! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: LJRead on October 22, 2009, 10:17:57 pm
Truth to tell, I don' know how to handle these cruds at the top.  I sort of just let it all slide by, they're getting rich at the country's expense that is.  But then that has been they're way all along.  The only time it has hurt is like now when the whole country seems to be in such dire straights.  I've considered it happening for many years as I saw that countries like China, getting junk built by laborers getting paid very little, to then send the stuff to the U.S. charging a lot relatively in the process.

Here in Tonga I have my small retirement which will now get even smaller as the dollar falls, then I have rents on three apartments, which are also controlled by the marketplace, and so far that has continued to go up.  I balance this all by keeping my net expenditure on stuff very low, living a sort of hippy life style, with little, anyway, in the stores here to buy.  It seems to work out fine. 

I have never had a whole lot of excess to consider.  I was a student up until about 30, then moved to New Zealand where I was also paid like a student, so really, I have never lived high on the hog at any time.  This style of living suits me just fine for some odd reason, maybe because that's how it has always been.

Now there are these fat cats on Wall Street and in banking who are gloating over their getting paid huge bonuses.  Fine and dandy, in my opinion, as they will sort themselves out.  Thing I have always found is that I m happiest having little and working my own life out, and if they have everything laid on, so to speak, that's fine, because ultimately they lose by it.  What they will do is socialize with one another, trying thereby to make their life seem normal, but they never took the opportunity to sort things out for real, like having a 'cheap' bike to spend hours over.
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Vince on October 22, 2009, 11:11:35 pm
Just saw a press release that the companies who got  the seven largest handouts will be required to cut the top 25 executive's compensation by about 90% and all executives will be cut an average of 50%.  AIG people will be capped at $200K. 

How will they get by...

Mike and Stumpy in Michigan
     The report I saw stated that they will get stock in lieu of money. They will be required to hold on to the stock for a long time. The reasoning being that if they have to hold on to the stock they will make better business decisions to protect their company for the long term, rather the business model that has been recently used.
     ?????????????
     A lot of people are really angry and fed up. My store is in Olympia, the Washington State capitol. As with most government enclaves, Olympia is a  haven for  a big government mind set: "We are the government and we are here to help."
Lately, virtually everyone that comes into my store is angry with current government and policies. Even state employees!  I make a good cup of coffee so people tend to linger and talk. Just a few years ago I could stereotype a lot of customers. The knee-jerk Republican, the knee-jerk Democrat, the society saver, the anti this, the pro that. Now everyone is on the same page. They are ALL fed up at the Federal, State, and local level. 
     The question is how it will play out come election time. We'll see.
     
   
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Ice on October 23, 2009, 05:19:25 am
                                    <<<<<<<< HIJACK>>>>>>>>
                       I can vouch for Vince's having good coffee.
             No espresso stands,no chrome consultants and no dyno charts.
                   Advice is just like the coffee, honest simple and good.
                 <<<<<<<END HIJACK AND SHAMELESS PLUG>>>>>>>>
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Vince on October 23, 2009, 06:45:19 pm
     Ice, your check is in the mail.
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: t120rbullet on October 23, 2009, 10:20:02 pm
                                    <<<<<<<< HIJACK>>>>>>>>
                       I can vouch for Vince's having good coffee.
             No espresso stands,no chrome consultants and no dyno charts.
                   Advice is just like the coffee, honest simple and good.
                 <<<<<<<END HIJACK AND SHAMELESS PLUG>>>>>>>>

Yea, but does he have a piston ash tray on the counter?
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: Chasfield on October 24, 2009, 11:57:40 am
Truth to tell, I don' know how to handle these cruds at the top.  I sort of just let it all slide by, they're getting rich at the country's expense that is.  But then that has been they're way all along.  The only time it has hurt is like now when the whole country seems to be in such dire straights.

That is the main issue - they have practically sunk the ship this time around, so the injustice of the way they have been running things comes into sharper focus.

I was trying to think of an image that illustrates the mind set of these bonus zombies - and our impotence.

Let's say a husband walks in on his faithless wife and her lover. Honour demands that, at the very least, the cuckolding rotter should realise his guilt, bolt like a whippet out of the back door, vaulting the yard fence with his pants around his ankles as he goes, never to show his face again. The way it is now, the rascally fellow doesn't even blink, carries right on with the wife, and asks the husband  to toss him a beer as he is passes the refrigerator.

Yep, the current financial situation feels something like that to me.

 :(
Title: Re: Need rage management therapy
Post by: 1Blackwolf1 on October 24, 2009, 04:39:17 pm
  All the more need for a good drawing and quartering.  Will.