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on: September 02, 2023, 02:11:46 am
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-counteroffensive-drone-strikes-putin-b2403066.html

Ukraine-Russia – live: Putin puts ‘Satan II’ nuclear missile ‘on combat duty’ as Kyiv launches drone strikes
Intercontinental ballistic missiles are capable of carrying more than 10 nuclear warheads

The missiles are capable of carrying 10 or more nuclear warheads. In June, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Sarmat missiles would be deployed for combat duty “soon”.
It comes as a Ukrainian drone attacked a town in western Russia, home to one of the country’s biggest nuclear power stations, as Russian air defences intercepted drones heading toward three western regions.
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Reply #1 on: September 02, 2023, 03:33:52 am
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-counteroffensive-drone-strikes-putin-b2403066.html

Ukraine-Russia – live: Putin puts ‘Satan II’ nuclear missile ‘on combat duty’ as Kyiv launches drone strikes
Intercontinental ballistic missiles are capable of carrying more than 10 nuclear warheads

The missiles are capable of carrying 10 or more nuclear warheads. In June, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Sarmat missiles would be deployed for combat duty “soon”.
It comes as a Ukrainian drone attacked a town in western Russia, home to one of the country’s biggest nuclear power stations, as Russian air defences intercepted drones heading toward three western regions.


Is this an 'it won't be long now' situation?!


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Reply #2 on: September 02, 2023, 04:31:38 am
No way in hell will he deploy nukes. He is bluffing and the world knows it because they know that he knows if he did, he would no longer have any friends. It would be the world vs Russia.


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Reply #3 on: September 02, 2023, 05:54:02 am
Well, the "world" vs. Russia, China, Iran, Syria & maybe Saudi Arabia. Possibly parts of Africa. Maybe India & Brazil too, they are big BRICS trading partners.

Nice write up:
https://thebulletin.org/2023/06/how-the-united-states-and-nato-can-deal-with-russian-nuclear-coercion-in-ukraine/

This Petraeus article sounds tough, but we'll see what really happens. The Russians have a lot of subs & missiles. China may be depending on us attriting ourselves against Russia to achieve their goals. Their new "10 Part Line" glommed onto Taiwan, Russian held Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island and parts of India. If we or the Russians lose a lot of hardware and men in an exchange, China's job gets easier. Wheels within wheels.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/us-russia-putin-ukraine-war-david-petraeus

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/09/new-chinese-10-dash-map-sparks-furor-across-indo-pacific-vietnam-india-philippines-malaysia/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS
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Reply #4 on: September 03, 2023, 12:39:24 am
If the nuclear missiles start flying it won't matter who sides with whom !


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Reply #5 on: September 03, 2023, 01:10:54 am
If Putin nukes Ukraine it will be because he believes the West will not respond.


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Reply #6 on: September 04, 2023, 02:17:54 am
If Putin nukes Ukraine it will be because he believes the West will not respond.
Or because he didn't care because he knew he was finished anyway !


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Reply #7 on: September 05, 2023, 03:04:50 am
Romania is a NATO member since 2004...

Ukraine says Russian drones crashed in Romania; 04 September 2023
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66712477
Ukraine has alleged that Russian drones landed on Romanian territory during a series of strikes on a neighbouring Ukrainian city.
Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba told reporters after a news conference in Kyiv that Ukraine had photographic evidence supporting its claim.
However, Romania has rejected Kyiv's version of events and BBC Verify says it cannot authenticate the image.
The row came as the Russian and Turkish leaders held talks.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had travelled to the Russian city of Sochi in an attempt to persuade President Vladimir Putin to revive the deal that allowed Ukraine to export grain safely through the Black Sea.
Mr Putin said the deal, which Moscow abandoned in July, would not be reinstated until the West met his demands for sanctions to be lifted on Russian agricultural produce.

Mr Kuleba, sounding angry, said it was "absolutely obvious" what had happened. He suggested that some of Ukraine's partners were, in effect, turning a blind eye in order to avoid being involved in the conflict.
If a Russian drone did land on Romanian territory, without it being the result of an interception, then this would mark the first time Russia has directly, if accidentally, hit a Nato member state.
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Reply #8 on: September 06, 2023, 06:29:17 pm

Ukraine war: Romania reveals Russian drone parts hit its territory

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66727788

Romania's defence minister has said that remains of a drone used in a Russian attack on a Ukrainian port have been found on Romanian territory.
His comments follow two days of him and other senior officials "categorically" denying any cross-border incident.
Ukraine had insisted it had evidence of the explosion.
Romania's president says the attack, which the defence ministry is investigating, would be a serious violation of Romania's sovereignty.
An attack on Romania, which is a member of Nato, would be "completely inadmissible", Klaus Iohannis said.
On Monday, Ukraine's foreign ministry had reported that Shahed drones "fell and detonated" in Romania on Sunday night after the latest Russian attack on the Ukrainian port of Izmail.
It called the incident further proof of the "huge threat" posed by Moscow to Ukraine's neighbours.
Now Romania's Defence Minister, Angel Tilvar, has visited the Danube Delta region close to the border with Ukraine and announced that several pieces of a drone had been found.
An investigation is now under way and the fragments are being analysed to determine whether they come from a Russian weapon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Shahed_136
The HESA Shahed 136 (Persian: شاهد ۱۳۶, literally "Witness-136"), or Geran-2 (Russian: Герань-2, literally "Geranium-2") in Russian service,[8] is an Iranian loitering munition in the form of an autonomous pusher-prop drone. It is designed and manufactured by Shahed Aviation Industries.[2][better source needed]
The munition is designed to attack ground targets from a distance, fired in multiples from a launch rack (in batches of five upwards) to overwhelm air defenses by consuming their resources during the attack. The first public footage of the drone was released in December 2021.[4]
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Reply #9 on: September 13, 2023, 05:14:51 pm
Starting to get puckery. Cruise missile usage is a "ramping up" event, these are real weapons. The UK is probably at "Defcon 1" this morning. ???

British cruise missiles were used in significant Ukrainian attack on Russian submarine
The UK gave Storm Shadow missiles to Ukraine's armed forces earlier in the year. They are able to be fired by Ukrainian aircraft, with a range of more than 150 miles.
Deborah Haynes
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Wednesday 13 September 2023 16:40, UK

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-strikes-russian-submarine-and-landing-ship-in-audacious-assault-on-crimea-naval-base-12960336
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Reply #10 on: September 13, 2023, 10:33:23 pm
If that was a nuclear submarine the Russians are really not going to be happy - especially if the reactor was damaged and is leaking radiation.  :o
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Reply #11 on: September 14, 2023, 12:17:22 am
If that was a nuclear submarine the Russians are really not going to be happy - especially if the reactor was damaged and is leaking radiation.  :o

Diesel Submarine.

The submarine is a legitimate target for Ukraine for two reasons.

1) the submarines at Sevastopol load up with missiles and head out into the black sea to fire them at Ukrainian cities like Odessa and Kherson
2) Sevastopol is by international law a Ukrainian city and the submarine is part of the occupying forces


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Reply #12 on: September 14, 2023, 12:32:51 am
Not certain they were UK missiles !


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Reply #13 on: September 14, 2023, 01:35:09 am
Something quite big.

This blog video shows satellite images of the damage ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ESH2MVCYU


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Reply #14 on: September 14, 2023, 02:14:37 am
Next stop, POLYARNY!  :o 8)

If the cruise missile blast made it through the pressure hull those could have been secondary explosions.

Where was the Russian air cover? No S-400 online? Their Beriev A-100 is equivalent to an AWACS. Surely they had one in the air. A Vympel R-77 vectored in from a MIG-35 or Su-30 would have saved them a diesel sub.

Not a good look for Russia when there's no response from the "home team". Maybe North Korea will send them some weaponry & soldiers.
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Reply #15 on: September 14, 2023, 02:02:54 pm
Next stop, POLYARNY!  :o 8)

If the cruise missile blast made it through the pressure hull those could have been secondary explosions.

Where was the Russian air cover? No S-400 online? Their Beriev A-100 is equivalent to an AWACS. Surely they had one in the air. A Vympel R-77 vectored in from a MIG-35 or Su-30 would have saved them a diesel sub.

Not a good look for Russia when there's no response from the "home team". Maybe North Korea will send them some weaponry & soldiers.

A report on a Sky News video said that the Ukrainians fired something like 10 missiles and the Russians shot down 7 or 8 of them. They also said that the Ukrainians have located a gap in the Russian air defenses and are making the most of it until the Russians can close that gap.  All of the commentators seem to believe that the missiles were the UK and/or the French cruise missiles that were given to Ukraine earlier this year.
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Reply #16 on: September 15, 2023, 12:12:19 am
They also said that the Ukrainians have located a gap in the Russian air defenses and are making the most of it until the Russians can close that gap. 

If you follow the military commentaries it is more correct to say they created one.

They took out a couple of Air Defence launchers along the coast a few weeks back that the Russians have not had time to replace and then just last week occupied the oil rigs the Russians had previously held in the Black Sea.

This allowed the Ukrainian Migs to get close to Sevastopol unchallenged.

It definitely looks like this was all part of a longer term plan aimed at taking out the dry docks and naval repair facilities in Sevastopol, rather than some opportunistic spur of the moment attack.  It seems like the Ukrainian's were working towards this for at least a month or more.
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Reply #17 on: September 15, 2023, 07:25:17 am
A more detailed report on the, somewhat complex, attack itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb9xOZFW8To



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Reply #18 on: September 16, 2023, 01:58:13 am
A report on a Sky News video said that the Ukrainians fired something like 10 missiles and the Russians shot down 7 or 8 of them. They also said that the Ukrainians have located a gap in the Russian air defenses and are making the most of it until the Russians can close that gap.  All of the commentators seem to believe that the missiles were the UK and/or the French cruise missiles that were given to Ukraine earlier this year.
' Seem to believe ' and  ' missiles were the UK and /or the French cruise missiles ' - so they don't really know !


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Reply #19 on: September 16, 2023, 02:02:55 am
Two Russian warplanes were in a confrontation with a British plane carrying 30 people in international air space over the Black Sea and fired off 2 missiles.
The first one missed and the second one just fell off the wing of the Russian plane.
Escalation avoided for now !


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Reply #20 on: September 16, 2023, 02:33:59 am
North Korea is famous for exfiltrating out Chinese weapons. Looks like Belaru's Lukashenko wants to join the "party" too, I wonder if the good folks of Belarus are as interested?

Russian pilot tried to shoot down RAF surveillance aircraft over the Black Sea in 2022 because he believed he had permission
Russian pilot of the SU-27 fighter jet tried to shoot down RAF plane last year

By RACHAEL BUNYAN PUBLISHED: 03:53 EDT, 14 September 2023

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12517175/Russian-pilot-tried-shoot-RAF-surveillance-plane-Black-Sea-wrongly-thought-permission-missile-missed.html

A Russian pilot tried to shoot down an RAF surveillance plane over the Black Sea because he mistakenly thought he had permission, it has emerged.
The pilot of the SU-27 fighter jet fired two missiles at the RAF aircraft on September 29 last year, with Russia claiming the missile had malfunctioned.
Britain's then defence secretary Ben Wallace told Parliament that two Russian jets had 'recklessly' come within 15ft of the RAF RC-135 Rivet Joint, which has a crew of up to 30.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/15/ukraine-says-russian-missile-defence-destroyed-in-crimea-2-warships-hits

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/15/belarus-leader-alexander-lukashenko-proposes-three-way-partnership-with-russia-and-north-korea
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Reply #21 on: September 16, 2023, 03:16:42 am
That incident is close enough to ancient history, no idea why it is suddenly cropping up as news worthy.


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Reply #22 on: September 16, 2023, 04:09:55 pm
Wheels within wheels...

Ukraine’s Attack On Sevastopol Also Targeted Important Ships Crossing Black Sea
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/09/ukraines-attack-on-sevastopol-also-targeted-important-ships-crossing-black-sea/
Two Russian ships, the tanker Yaz and the suspected arms runner Ursa Major, are headed to Istanbul where they will leave the Black Sea. Evidence suggests that, at the same time as the cruise missile attack on Sevastopol, they were targeted by Ukrainian maritime drones.

The attacks are part of a wider shift in the Black Sea. The launching of ten Storm Shadow or SCALP-EG cruise missiles can be tied back to the destruction of an S-400 system in northwest Crimea on August 24. Together with prying Russian surveillance systems off gas platforms offshore, this will have contributed to the Ukrainian jets’ ability to operate over the water. Russian air defenses remain a serious threat, but Ukraine is gaining space.

The Losses
The landing ship is important as a logistic asset. These ships have moved from their traditional amphibious landing role to a mundane, yet crucial, transport one. Its sister ship, Olenegorsky Gornyak, has already been taken out of action on August 3 by a USV attack. Russia can ill afford to loose too many of these ships.

The loss of the submarine is arguably even more significant. The Improved-Kilo class boats are armed with Kalibr cruise missiles and have conducted numerous attacks against Ukraine. They also threaten merchant ships sailing to and from Odesa. There is now one less of these submarines in the Black Sea.
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Reply #23 on: September 17, 2023, 01:31:40 am
Most military bloggers think the attacks on the other ships were a distraction to divert attention away from the main target.


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Reply #24 on: September 17, 2023, 02:25:58 am
That incident is close enough to ancient history, no idea why it is suddenly cropping up as news worthy.
The incident might seem like 'ancient history' (being a year ago !) but maybe details of what happened have just been revealed.
 Anyway, a warning about how easily things could escalate into world war 3!


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Reply #25 on: September 17, 2023, 11:52:31 pm
'A Russian pilot tried to shoot down an RAF surveillance plane over the Black Sea because he mistakenly thought he had permission, it has emerged. '
Let's hope there aren't any more mistaken beliefs in international air space !


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Reply #26 on: September 18, 2023, 12:30:40 am
Bearing in mind there is a certain amount of professionalism involved in flying fast jets, regardless of country - the younger Chinese pilots are more worrisome as they seem to have a gung-ho nationalistic driven enthusiasm where as for the Russians it seems more of a chore they are obliged to take on because the kremlin tells them to.  Though, that said the VKS pilots seemed a lot more willing than ground troops to oppose Prigozhin even though Wagner were shooting them down at a fairly high rate.


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Reply #27 on: September 22, 2023, 05:39:00 pm

Abrams upgrade scrapped after Leopards tank in Ukraine
US Army recognizes it needs to change direction after the damage done to Germany’s supposedly superior tanks in Ukraine

https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/abrams-upgrade-scrapped-after-leopards-tank-in-ukraine/
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Reply #28 on: September 23, 2023, 12:53:26 am
Abrams upgrade scrapped after Leopards tank in Ukraine
US Army recognizes it needs to change direction after the damage done to Germany’s supposedly superior tanks in Ukraine

https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/abrams-upgrade-scrapped-after-leopards-tank-in-ukraine/
Ukraine showed it can destroy Russian tanks so it shouldn't be surprising Russia can destroy Ukraine's tanks !


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Reply #29 on: September 23, 2023, 03:31:54 pm
Tanks are vulnerable without air cover and infantry. Mines don't help them much either. The modern infantryman can engage a tank successfully, and virtually any modern aerial platform can destroy one. Likely their time on the battlefield is over, tech has marched on. They are mainly useful against opposition that doesn't have access to modern weaponry, like civilians.
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Reply #30 on: September 23, 2023, 04:11:54 pm
Even in WWII  main battle tanks were vulnerable to artillery and air power.  You needed air superiority and a batch of infantry to protect tanks even then.  WWII tanks could even be immobilized (though not "cooked") by 0.50 cal into the engine compartment from above. A lot of T34 were lost that way.

There are a few factors working against tanks in Ukraine ... and yes, the drones do not help, especially as forward spotters for artillery. 

However the biggest problem here is the Ukrainian war has degraded into trench warfare with extensive minefields, tank traps and and batteries of artillery.   

For reasons unknown, the west was slow providing long range weapons early on allowing the Russians time to setup extensive defences and  mine fields extending many 100s of miles, just back from the front lines, completely unhindered.  The Ukrainians had to sit back and watch all winter as the Russians built defences becasue they had neither the long range artillery nor the air power to reach that far.

Predictably after our politicians, through nervousness about committing, gave the Russians a chance to build extensive defence lines, many of these same people are upset about the lack of Ukrainian success against the same defences they allowed to be built by restricting longer range weapons.

Tanks are creatures better suited to the fast moving mobile battlefield, they are absolutely not suited for deployment as pill boxes for infantry support, they need to keep on the move.  Tanks are designed to be part of a combined arms assault accompanied by mechanised infantry and supported from the air, keeping on the move and advancing tens or even hundreds of miles in a day.

Now, the actual infantry support weapon Ukrainians probably need right now, would be something more akin to a modern version of the early war German close support Stug (late war Stugs were tank destroyers)  -  but no-one builds Armor like that anymore , as no one thought we would be back in trench warfare in the 21st century.

If at some  point the Ukrainians smash through the Russian defensive lines, and the tanks can move again, the donated tanks will suddenly be useful,  in the way they are meant to operate.

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Reply #31 on: September 25, 2023, 07:00:33 pm
Cyber-teams fight a high-tech war on front lines

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66686584

Ukraine cyber-operators are being deployed on the front lines of the war, duelling close-up with their Russian counterparts in a new kind of high-tech battle.
"We have people who are directly involved in combat," says Illia Vitiuk, the head of the Ukrainian Security Service's (SBU) cyber department.
Speaking inside the heavily protected SBU headquarters, he explains how his teams mix the skills of hackers and special forces - getting inside Russian systems, working alongside snipers and deploying the latest technologies.
The department uses Artificial Intelligence (AI) visual recognition systems to analyse information gathered from aerial drones (alongside intelligence from human sources, satellites and other technical sources) to provide targets for the military.
"We understand which type of military weapons they are about to use and on what direction," Mr Vitiuk says.
His teams will also hack into surveillance cameras on occupied territory to watch Russian troop movements. And they direct kamikaze drones to take out Russian cameras spying on Ukrainian movements. Doing this often requires teams working undercover, close to the target.
Drones - sometimes used for surveillance and sometimes to act as weapons - have been at the leading edge of innovation in this conflict.
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Reply #33 on: September 27, 2023, 06:10:06 pm
Following the Oligarch money always leads to Putin.

Russia superyacht symbolises challenge of seizing assets
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66818492
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Reply #35 on: October 06, 2023, 03:45:12 pm
Our future is sounding more & more like a bad scify movie.
I'll bet our NASA group would love to have one of these "Nuculah" gas cooled drones for exo-exploration of the gas giants Jupiter & Saturn.


Putin makes nuclear-powered Burevestnik missile test claim - 06 October 2023
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67021695
Russia has held a "final successful test" of a nuclear-powered cruise missile, Vladimir Putin has claimed.
The president's comments came after his spokesman rejected a New York Times report that testing of the weapon, known as the Burevestnik, was imminent.  (Буревестник; "Storm petrel" )
The experimental weapon, first announced in 2018, has been hailed as having a potentially unlimited range.
It is said to be powered by a nuclear reactor and is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.
"We have now virtually finished work on modern types of strategic weaponry about which I have spoken and which I announced a few years ago," Mr Putin told a meeting in the Black Sea resort of Sochi on Thursday which was broadcast live on state television.
He added: "A final successful test has been held of Burevestnik - a global-range nuclear-powered cruise missile."
The missile, code-named Skyfall by Nato, is said to be powered by a nuclear reactor, which is supposed to activate after solid fuel rocket boosters have launched it into the air.
But the New York Times quoted an arms control campaign group, the Nuclear Threat Initiative, as saying that the previous known 13 tests of the system between 2017 and 2019 were all unsuccessful.
Mr Putin also told his audience that work was almost complete on an intercontinental ballistic missile, called Sarmat.
Despite Mr Putin's apparent disclosure, he said Russia had no plans to change its nuclear doctrine - the policy that sets out the circumstances in which its forces might use nuclear weapons.
He added that the existence of the Russian state was not under threat and "no person of sound mind and clear memory" would contemplate a nuclear strike against it.
But he did indicate that Russia could theoretically withdraw its ratification of the 1996 Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty. He argued that as the US had signed but never ratified it, it was possible for Russia to act in the same way.


https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-nuclear-test-missile-ukraine-war-2204f967c8739216ded2efc3f71a6e0f

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik

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The National Interest compiled several unclassified defense sources from General Electric experts about the similar 601B project[34][35][36] and they predicted low weight and compact gas-cooled nuclear reactor in the drone.[37] Russian submarine designers say that a low-power reactor is preferred for Poseidon because a smaller reactor is less noisy.[31]




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I wouldn't trust anything Putin says .

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Reply #38 on: October 08, 2023, 02:27:23 am
Ukrainian tank commander is upset that his captured Russian tank is too unreliable,  and rings the Russian manufacturer to complain about the poor quality ...

He even tells the guy his Ukrainian Battalion details and where they are based, but somehow he does not seem to catch on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5b4ncaRi9s
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Reply #39 on: October 08, 2023, 01:39:35 pm
Ukrainian tank commander is upset that his captured Russian tank is too unreliable,  and rings the Russian manufacturer to complain about the poor quality ...

He even tells the guy his Ukrainian Battalion details and where they are based, but somehow he does not seem to catch on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5b4ncaRi9s

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Reply #40 on: October 09, 2023, 07:10:37 pm
Ukraine war: US gives 1.1 million rounds of ammunition seized from Iran to Kyiv

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67014218

Ukraine's Western allies recently warned that their production lines were struggling to keep up with the rate at which Ukraine was using ammunition.
Centcom says the Iranian rounds were transferred to Ukraine on Monday.
It added the ammunition was 7.62mm calibre used in Soviet-era rifles and light machine-guns.
While the number is significant, it represents a small percentage of the hundreds of millions of rounds already shipped by allies to Ukraine.
The US has already provided more than 200 million bullets and grenades.
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Reply #41 on: October 09, 2023, 11:54:30 pm
maybe this explains why i've not seen more than token amounts of Large Rifle Primers since 2019? all of the 7.62 i've seen uses LRPs.


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Reply #42 on: October 11, 2023, 07:47:55 pm
None of this applies if one or the other combatants has control of the airspace. The only reason Ukraine doesn't control the air space is that we aren't allowing it, but the hardware & tech is already there in-theater.

This "better artillery" solution mentioned in the article below is a generalized ($$$) archaic solution to a specific problem. More drones neutralize the "need" for artillery. Counter-battery radar systems allow you to vector missiles or drones right on top of OpFor artillery within seconds. CBR is WWII tech that was well polished by 1960 and just got better since then. Tank warfare is in much the same league, time & technology has passed them by. Whoever controls the airspace gets to kill all the OpFor armor & cannon in short order. Remember Gulf War #1? Remember that 50 mile long string of corpses, blasted tanks & towed artillery? Remember who controlled the air space?

Why not just bring back mounted cavalry & black powder? The horses are largely transparent to radar, self-replicating and "green", & black powder can be made on-site virtually everywhere. ::)

Our modern destroyers don't even bother to have a big deck gun, just a "Sea-Wiz" (Phalanx) close-support gun. Provide Ukraine with air cover and the need for artillery drops to near zero. When the Russian batteries open up and the "Friendly" drones & vectored in missiles start popping off the artillery positions like popcorn, day or night, a lot of OpFor spunk goes right out the window. An artillery war just means you aren't serious and your "allies" are considered a fungible asset. You also don't have unlimited cheap high explosives to waste on public housing & hospitals. And if provided proper air cover, Ukraine wouldn't have Rooskie missile batteries blowing up their hospitals, schools & housing either. As the OpFor launch sites can be hit within seconds, the targets damn sure better be worth it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-battery_radar

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/10/09/change-of-plans-us-army-embraces-lessons-learned-from-war-in-ukraine/
“Everything we’re seeing in Ukraine [is] about the relevance of precision fires, all the emerging technology, but the big killer on the battlefield is conventional artillery, high-explosive artillery,” he said.
The U.S. Army plans to issue a new conventional fires strategy by the end of the year, he added.


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'The only reason Ukraine doesn't control the air space is that we aren't allowing it, but the hardware & tech is already there in-theater.'
Don't understand that. Who isn't allowing it and why ?


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Reply #44 on: October 11, 2023, 11:21:47 pm
They are flying 30 year old aircraft from chewed up airstrips. The Poland F16 deal blew up. We're foot dragging on providing F16 aircraft. We'll defend the Philippines airspace but not Ukraines. Ukraines infrastructure is being chewed apart by Russia because there's no air cap/ no-fly zone. It's not good being a fungible asset to a dysfunctional "Soup-r Pow-r" that has externally induced internal dissention. The "Artillery War" only exists because there's no air cover. We put an air cap over Iraq & Afghanistan. Without air cover missiles and artillery will continue to destroy Ukrainian people & infrastructure. With air cover it stops because OpFor artillery and missile launch sites vaporize within 30-60 seconds of firing or launching. China, Russia & Iran have obvious ambitions, it's a question of when not if it starts. Luring two US Carrier task forces into a kill box at the tail end of the Mediterranean would be a great starting point.

NATO nation makes 'excuses' to backtrack on F-16 pledge to Ukraine; Poland 'betrays' Kyiv amid war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akvGs0KgsF8

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https://2017-2021.state.gov/countries-areas/philippines/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20has%20designated%20the,balanced%2C%20and%20responsive%20security%20partnership.
The U.S. has designated the Philippines as a Major Non-NATO Ally, and there are close and abiding security ties between the two nations. The Manila Declaration signed in 2011 reaffirmed the 1951 U.S.-Philippines Mutual Defense Treaty as the foundation for a robust, balanced, and responsive security partnership.
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Reply #45 on: October 18, 2023, 06:44:45 pm
More remote control military hardware. Victory goes to the controller/chip builder, whomever that may be...what could go possibly wrong?

US abandoning M1 Abrams tank headed to Ukraine
US Army study calls for new, lighter tank with reduced crew, bigger guns and hypersonic anti-tank missiles for the battlefields of the future; By GABRIEL HONRADA; OCTOBER 9, 2023

https://asiatimes.com/2023/10/us-abandoning-m1-abrams-tank-headed-to-ukraine/

A US Army study has recommended phasing out the M1 Abrams tank for lighter, smaller, unmanned vehicles, citing survivability concerns in future battlefields that have been made apparent in the Ukraine war.
This month, The Warzone reported that the US Army Science Board study has recommended moving beyond the M1 Abrams tank to new, smaller tanks and uncrewed vehicles to dominate the anticipated battlefields of the 2040s. The study reportedly outlines the need for a next-generation M1 derivative equipped with larger caliber guns as well as hypersonic anti-tank missiles.
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Reply #46 on: October 18, 2023, 09:21:14 pm
smaller target, bigger gun, crew out of line of fire, what's not to love? as long as commo doesn't go down. but then, there's gottlos https://www.blackgate.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Analog-Science-Fiction-November-1969.jpg


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Reply #47 on: October 18, 2023, 10:45:08 pm
And the ever popular Dinochrome Brigade... :o

https://bolo.fandom.com/wiki/Dinochrome_Brigade
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Reply #48 on: October 19, 2023, 09:02:17 am
More remote control military hardware. Victory goes to the controller/chip builder, whomever that may be...what could go possibly wrong?

US abandoning M1 Abrams tank headed to Ukraine
US Army study calls for new, lighter tank with reduced crew, bigger guns and hypersonic anti-tank missiles for the battlefields of the future; By GABRIEL HONRADA; OCTOBER 9, 2023

https://asiatimes.com/2023/10/us-abandoning-m1-abrams-tank-headed-to-ukraine/

A US Army study has recommended phasing out the M1 Abrams tank for lighter, smaller, unmanned vehicles, citing survivability concerns in future battlefields that have been made apparent in the Ukraine war.
This month, The Warzone reported that the US Army Science Board study has recommended moving beyond the M1 Abrams tank to new, smaller tanks and uncrewed vehicles to dominate the anticipated battlefields of the 2040s. The study reportedly outlines the need for a next-generation M1 derivative equipped with larger caliber guns as well as hypersonic anti-tank missiles.

This the Aussie Royal Australian Armor Corp's idea of a battlefield vehicle for the future:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N7RJQTi710


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Reply #49 on: October 19, 2023, 02:35:42 pm
This the Aussie Royal Australian Armor Corp's idea of a battlefield vehicle for the future:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N7RJQTi710

Will they stop the war so that everyone can recharge their vehicles after driving them for 50 miles? I notice in the video that they are driving the trucks along a row of high-tension power lines. Makes sense.  ;) Cute electric doggy at the end of the video, but it does need a tail and a butt to sniff. Still, not as expensive as nuclear submarines.   ::)
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Reply #50 on: October 19, 2023, 06:26:22 pm
About 2-3 weeks into a conflict the voodoo future tech is mostly used up/broken and it devolves back to the infantryman slogging along carrying a rifle. ALL of the battlefield electronics are corruptible. Nobody wants to be battlefield point-man with a fully armed, semi-autonomous Boston Dynamics Big Dog standing behind him.
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Reply #51 on: October 20, 2023, 02:24:24 am
Double post.
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Reply #52 on: October 20, 2023, 02:25:03 am
The two benefits seem to be;
  • much much quieter
  • in theory , if supply lines are cut, can be recharged in the field from solar blankets (though you would need a lot)  etc whereas if your out of diesel you are pretty much stuck

There are of course quite a few issues that also will need to be addressed.

Meanwhile, Russia seems to be following their usual suicidal tactics ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4ElW-1jAM0
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Reply #53 on: October 20, 2023, 02:05:54 pm
Radio controlled cars modified to lay mines.

https://youtu.be/DKLCLb3CdaA?si=GYWtT6rKAksvLRld&t=149


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Reply #54 on: October 20, 2023, 10:09:58 pm
Or do your mine laying from 60,000 feet... :o ::)

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@ #57:The two benefits seem to be;
1) much much quieter ; 2) in theory , if supply lines are cut, can be recharged in the field from solar blankets (though you would need a lot)


Yup, if you had an invisible football field sized foldable PV array, plenty of daylight, nice flat ground and nobody shooting at you all day it'd be great. At least until you rolled out your "the target is here" PV array. The vehicle itself would still be visible to search radar, plus optically & thermally. And there's still that "hundreds of pounds of batteries to replace 6 pounds of fuel" thing. In wartime nobody really cares if you are environmentally sensitive. Tanks, HumVees, MREPS & aircraft can all burn the same fuels, it's handier that way. The whole "EV Combat Vehicle" idea seems to be to subsidize someone's nephews via government program. Putting directed energy weapons in the field is hard enough, but battery-izing the whole shebang...priceless.

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Reply #55 on: October 21, 2023, 12:10:56 am
reminiscent of the renowned bicycle corps the us toyed with briefly in the 1890s, and implemented by france, italy, germany...


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Reply #56 on: October 21, 2023, 09:14:01 am
reminiscent of the renowned bicycle corps the us toyed with briefly in the 1890s, and implemented by france, italy, germany...











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Reply #57 on: October 21, 2023, 07:37:31 pm
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Reply #58 on: October 21, 2023, 10:09:52 pm
I wonder if any of the military Ural sidecar outfits are seeing any serious use in the current Ukraine conflict. I suspect not, or at least nowhere near the front lines, or is there photographic evidence to the contrary?

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Reply #59 on: October 21, 2023, 11:00:43 pm
I wonder if any of the military Ural sidecar outfits are seeing any serious use in the current Ukraine conflict. I suspect not, or at least nowhere near the front lines, or is there photographic evidence to the contrary?

A.

Actually no Ural there.

No idea what the WWI thing with what appears to be a Vickers MG is.

The caption on the first photo says it is a lend lease Harley Davidson, presumably a WLA.

The last one with green tint is captioned as a "Chang Jiang CJ750".

A Vickers or possibly a Maxim on an early Harley Davidson:





Here is another photo of the Chinese one:



... and the Soviet contraption from a different angle ...

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Reply #60 on: October 22, 2023, 12:18:03 am
One of these with a Barret .50 Cal or compact MANPAD rocket would likely be the current equivalent. Simple works in warfare.
"We don't have to be the most competent army, just the least incompetent.": Ralph Peters "Red Army", quote of Motorized Rifle Division commander to troops.

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Reply #61 on: October 22, 2023, 07:17:16 am
Just coincidence that China & Russia are partners and there's a drone shortage? ::)

Ukraine fears drone shortages due to China restrictions

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67078089

Drones have had a profound effect on the war in Ukraine, used in great quantities by both sides. China's move to place restrictions on exports, however, has led to concerns that there could be a problem with supplies.
Many of them are commercially made in China and bought off the shelf, and new supplies are vital because of the large numbers lost in the fighting.
But there are indications of a reduction in the number of Chinese drones and parts available to both Ukraine and Russia.
According to the Royal United Services Institute (Rusi), a London-based think tank, Ukraine is losing about 10,000 drones a month.
Numerous volunteer groups have been instrumental in using donated funds to help the Ukrainian army restock its supplies.
Commercial drones are used alongside purpose-made military designs, such as Turkish Bayraktar drones used by Ukraine and Iranian Shaheds used by Russia.
The latest restrictions imposed by the Chinese government came into force on 1 September. They apply to longer-range drones weighing more than 4kg, as well as drone-related equipment such as some cameras and radio modules.
Chinese producers of such equipment are now required to apply for export licences and provide end-user certificates, and the government in Beijing - which has not condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine - says commercial Chinese drones must not be used for military purposes.
Ukrainian volunteers and soldiers say the latest Chinese restrictions have so far had minimal impact on the availability of drones, especially the ubiquitous lightweight Mavics made by the Chinese company DJI.
However, they say that the supply of parts has been affected, and they also fear that the situation may worsen in the future.
"The only change for now is that we're more actively buying whatever stock is left in European warehouses," says Lyuba Shypovych, who heads Dignitas, one of the largest Ukrainian volunteer groups supplying the military with drones. "But what we'll be doing in the future is unclear."
She is particularly worried about the availability of parts such as thermal imaging cameras.
"Because days are getting shorter and nights longer, this is definitely having an impact on supplies for our military and on how warfare is conducted in general because we don't have as many thermal imaging drones. Our units are turning blind at night," she says. "This affects both off-the-shelf drones with thermal imaging cameras and parts."
The availability of parts is particularly important for those who assemble their own drones or improve purchased models.
"The impact is being felt. The licences required by China now have limited Ukraine's access to drone parts," says a senior drone operator from the Kastus Kalinouski regiment who uses the callsign Oddr. "But we're looking for alternatives to make sure our drones work as they did before."
This is just the latest hurdle facing volunteers procuring drones for both the Russian and Ukrainian armies.
Some volunteers say the Chinese restrictions may stimulate the production of drone parts back in Ukraine
The world's largest commercial drone-maker, DJI, halted direct sales to both countries two months after the start of the full-scale invasion in February 2022. It also banned its distributors across the globe from selling DJI products to customers in Russia or Ukraine.
According to Ms Shypovych, the number of Chinese drones made available to distributors in Europe fell sharply between August and September 2022.
"It's unlikely that it happened by chance. European countries are where Ukrainians import drones from," she says.
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Reply #62 on: October 22, 2023, 07:25:15 am
maybe we shouldn't allow ourselves to become so dependent on not-friends in asia?


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Reply #63 on: October 22, 2023, 03:17:38 pm
A bit late to worry about that.  :(

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Reply #64 on: October 22, 2023, 05:11:38 pm
Because we chase the low-cost provider to maximize corporate profits we're stuck in the loop. Maybe after the dust settles from the next go-round we'll be smarter. Or speaking Mandarin. The obvious stupidity of not producing critical infrastructure in-house is mind blowing. In out very-well-heeled-corporate- lobbyist-driven Government we zeks come last.

In the power biz, they ask for rate increases to cover "smart" automation, then stand there doe-eyed and ask for more money to "harden" their now-automated system against cyber attack. Meanwhile they have reduced their employee roster and increased profit margin. A "dumb" system is perfectly adequate for distribution needs. It's a LOT HARDER to have hundreds of employees all making a nice living wage to engage in a conspiracy than it is to corrupt ONE electrical/electronics subcontractor doing system programming. That and a guaranteed 10.5% guaranteed Rate of Return on Capital Expenditures.
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Reply #65 on: October 22, 2023, 06:03:49 pm
Most managers want more time for "meetings " and junket trips and the traditional way to do this is automate and when you cannot automate outsource.  A combination of the two will see you doing a minimum of real work.


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Reply #66 on: October 22, 2023, 06:36:06 pm
BTW, my daughter just took her yearly company's "harassment training" via the internet. It took her 3 hours to complete. It seems to me like kind of a waste of time since she works by herself and has no one to manage or to harass.  ::)
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Reply #67 on: October 22, 2023, 09:42:50 pm
Hey, it ticked a box on some upper managers pay evaluation chart. So not a total loss, now he'll be able to afford that second mistress or Thailand "vacation".
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BTW, my daughter just took her yearly company's "harassment training" via the internet. It took her 3 hours to complete. It seems to me like kind of a waste of time since she works by herself and has no one to manage or to harass.  ::)
What is harassment training, is it being taught how to or how not to harass people ?!


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Reply #69 on: October 23, 2023, 06:34:44 am
It's CYA verbiage for the company. Their own pet HR department decides what is and isn't harassment. It is if the individuals aren't well connected or are disposable. Not so much for the "valuable" people, they get reassigned, the accusers get NDAs & compensation.
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In the U.S., and especially in California, companies and public agencies are typically required to instruct their employees how to interact with other employees so as to not make them feel bad or underappreciated, or to feel pressured by their boss or other staff to do or act in ways that make them uncomfortable. This is apparently done to reduce the number of lawsuits against the company by underappreciated employees. Many companies use a "canned" anti-harassment video that they buy from a consulting service to get that item off of their yearly checklist at minimal effort to the HR department.
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Reply #72 on: November 13, 2023, 06:25:58 pm
The current 5th Column effort in the House of Representatives isn't helping anyone but Putin. Ukraine is 1/4th the size of Russia with less resources. Stalemate wears them down faster. Unless a Russian win is the actual intent, the Bible has to inform the new Speaker where his loyalties lie.

Opinion  How Ukraine can break the stalemate; November 12, 2023

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/12/ukraine-war-stalemate-congress-funding/

In a recent essay and interview with the Economist, Ukraine’s top general, Valery Zaluzhny, said aloud what is evident on the battlefield: Ukraine is at a stalemate with Russia and “there will most likely be no deep and beautiful breakthrough.” The statement should trigger a renewed effort to kick-start Ukraine’s battle against Russia’s invasion, with help from the United States and European allies.
The general’s analysis is sobering. Ukraine and Russia, he said, have reached a “stupor,” fighting in trenches as in World War I, neither able to gain on the other. “The simple fact is that we see everything the enemy is doing and they see everything we are doing. In order for us to break this deadlock we need something new.” He said Ukraine needs a technological leap, calling for new air power, electronic warfare and counter-battery capability, and mine-breaching technology.
Adding to the gloom, a profile of President Volodymyr Zelensky in Time magazine reflected worry in Ukraine that the West is forsaking Kyiv before its forces can push back the Russian invasion. “The scariest thing is that part of the world got used to the war in Ukraine,” Mr. Zelensky said. “Exhaustion with the war rolls along like a wave. You see it in the United States, in Europe. And we see that as soon as they start to get a little tired, it becomes like a show to them: ‘I can’t watch this rerun for the 10th time.’”
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Reply #73 on: November 13, 2023, 07:26:47 pm
America always gets bored of supporting wars and abandons the fight, whether we are talking Afghanistan, Ukraine or Vietnam.

What is surprising is how fast the US lost interest this time.


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Reply #74 on: November 13, 2023, 08:55:23 pm
What is surprising is how fast the US lost interest this time.
it doesn't help that we had a pro-russian 5th columnist in the oval office, and his collaborators in congress still.


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Reply #75 on: November 14, 2023, 12:48:52 am
What is surprising is how fast the US lost interest this time.

Better OpFor social media penetration? Vietnam was mostly print media. Social media would have made J. Goebbels VERY happy. Had it existed then we might be having this discussion in German.
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Reply #77 on: November 14, 2023, 06:05:11 pm
it doesn't help that we had a pro-russian 5th columnist in the oval office, and his collaborators in congress still.
Yes, very concerning for all of us.


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Reply #78 on: November 14, 2023, 11:28:45 pm
Avoid the rush! bilinguals have a better chance at being the neighborhood Zampolit or Peoples Liberation Political Officer, Comrade Leofric. Better to be the guy with the Kalashnikov and clipboard than the fellow in the trench with the shovel...

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Reply #79 on: November 15, 2023, 01:14:36 am
Not sure if NKVD Commissar, or modern equivalent , is a particularly healthy career to take on if you want to live a long life :D


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Reply #80 on: November 15, 2023, 01:47:41 am
Beware the "Vindow Viper"... :o ;D ;D ;D
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Reply #81 on: November 15, 2023, 09:50:42 pm
Avoid the rush! bilinguals have a better chance at being the neighborhood Zampolit or Peoples Liberation Political Officer, Comrade Leofric. Better to be the guy with the Kalashnikov and clipboard than the fellow in the trench with the shovel...

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Reply #82 on: November 15, 2023, 10:55:33 pm
80% of the US is running around glued to their cell phones. About 1/3rd of those are worried about who won the last election. I'm not seeing any great outcomes here. I have to agree with N. Haley that anonymous posts need to go. That will be tough to enforce, but should clean some of the cockroaches out of the kitchen.
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Reply #83 on: November 16, 2023, 03:09:03 am
I have older friends who are pretty much convinced anything they see on their preferred newsfeed is factual and true - and I also know a bunch of college age kid's who think it is hilarious to edit Wikipedia and post conspiracy theories all over the place that they invented themselves and see which ones gain a life of their own  on social media and take off.

It i sort of a competition as to who can have the most insanely stupid made up claims go viral.


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Reply #84 on: November 17, 2023, 12:10:27 am
Beware the "Vindow Viper"... :o ;D ;D ;D
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Reply #85 on: November 17, 2023, 12:23:39 am
Historical kids story reference for clarity...

https://www.boyscouttrail.com/content/story/vinder_viper-128.asp

Vinder Viper Story

Notes:
The punch line should be delivered as a little old German man with such an accent.
 
Years ago, a man inherited a house from his great uncle who died in the war. The house sat on a hill outside of town in the next state and rumors were told that it was haunted. The man traveled to the town to inspect the house and found that it was a wonderful old mansion in great condition, but very, very old. So, he decided to move in and enjoy his inheritance.

A couple weeks after he moved in, late at night, the phone rang. When he answered it, a voice said, "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there in 2 weeks!" and then it hung up before he could say anything. This really shook the man. The next day, he searched the Internet under 'snakes' for 'vinder viper' but found nothing.

A week past with no concerns and again, late one night, the phone rang. "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there in 1 week!" and hung up. This made the man quite nervous, not knowing what a vinder viper was. He asked around the town, and no one had ever heard of any such viper.

Four days later, late at night, the phone rang. "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there in 2 days!" The man is getting much more concerned now.

The next night, the phone rang. "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there tomorrow!" Needless to say, the man is just plain scared now.

The next evening, the phone rang. "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there in 1 hour!" The man tries to leave, but his car battery is dead.

Nearly an hour later, the phone rang. "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there in 2 minutes!" The man runs around locking all the windows and doors and calls 911. The police are on their way.

Soon, there was a knock at the door. The man opened the door a crack and asked, "Is that the police?"

"No, I am the vinder viper. I come every month to vash and vipe your vindows."

Putin...windows...capisce?  Unknown scary guy associated with windows (vinders?).
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Reply #86 on: November 17, 2023, 05:27:39 am
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Reply #87 on: November 18, 2023, 12:43:43 am
Historical kids story reference for clarity...

https://www.boyscouttrail.com/content/story/vinder_viper-128.asp

Vinder Viper Story

Notes:
The punch line should be delivered as a little old German man with such an accent.
 
Years ago, a man inherited a house from his great uncle who died in the war. The house sat on a hill outside of town in the next state and rumors were told that it was haunted. The man traveled to the town to inspect the house and found that it was a wonderful old mansion in great condition, but very, very old. So, he decided to move in and enjoy his inheritance.

A couple weeks after he moved in, late at night, the phone rang. When he answered it, a voice said, "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there in 2 weeks!" and then it hung up before he could say anything. This really shook the man. The next day, he searched the Internet under 'snakes' for 'vinder viper' but found nothing.

A week past with no concerns and again, late one night, the phone rang. "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there in 1 week!" and hung up. This made the man quite nervous, not knowing what a vinder viper was. He asked around the town, and no one had ever heard of any such viper.

Four days later, late at night, the phone rang. "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there in 2 days!" The man is getting much more concerned now.

The next night, the phone rang. "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there tomorrow!" Needless to say, the man is just plain scared now.

The next evening, the phone rang. "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there in 1 hour!" The man tries to leave, but his car battery is dead.

Nearly an hour later, the phone rang. "I am the Vinder Viper. I will be there in 2 minutes!" The man runs around locking all the windows and doors and calls 911. The police are on their way.

Soon, there was a knock at the door. The man opened the door a crack and asked, "Is that the police?"

"No, I am the vinder viper. I come every month to vash and vipe your vindows."

Putin...windows...capisce?  Unknown scary guy associated with windows (vinders?).
Thank you. I guessed the window wiper bit but the rest took a while for me to get there !


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Reply #88 on: November 18, 2023, 04:20:17 pm
Germany is a big player here. Sounds like they may be getting tired of bystanding.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/18/russia-ukraine-war-live-putin-zelenskiy-latest-updates-news
Germany calls on Putin to take first step towards peace
The German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, has called on Russian president, Vladimir Putin, to take the first step towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Ukraine.
“He must withdraw troops,” Scholz said during a visit to Nuthetal in Brandenburg state.
However, there are currently no signs of this happening, he said in response to a question about whether peace negotiations are possible.
Putin must not succeed in his goal of using force to annex parts of a neighbouring country, Scholz said.
The chancellor once again assured Ukraine of Germany’s help in its defence against the Russian invasion for as long as necessary.


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Reply #89 on: November 18, 2023, 09:53:44 pm
Germany is a big player here. Sounds like they may be getting tired of bystanding.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/18/russia-ukraine-war-live-putin-zelenskiy-latest-updates-news
Germany calls on Putin to take first step towards peace
The German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, has called on Russian president, Vladimir Putin, to take the first step towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Ukraine.
“He must withdraw troops,” Scholz said during a visit to Nuthetal in Brandenburg state.
However, there are currently no signs of this happening, he said in response to a question about whether peace negotiations are possible.
Putin must not succeed in his goal of using force to annex parts of a neighbouring country, Scholz said.
The chancellor once again assured Ukraine of Germany’s help in its defence against the Russian invasion for as long as necessary.

Good for Germany. Unfortunately Putin isn't likely to take much notice.


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Reply #90 on: November 18, 2023, 10:12:32 pm
Good for Germany. Unfortunately Putin isn't likely to take much notice.

Yeah, historically the Russian experience of long wars is the opposite of the US.

US - in long wars as the casualties mount the public become unhappy and start to feel it is pointless. The press get bored and lose interest, One of the major parties (has been Democrat some wars, Republican other times) decides to make the war a political issue to attack their opponents over.  Eventually the US announces the war has been "won" and withdraws for local US political reasons. Within months or sometimes just weeks the opposition rolls in and take over.

Russia - casualties are mainly from poorer areas with little political influence and tend to be covered up. Propaganda keeps the public mainly onside. The longer the war drags  out the weaker the opposition becomes both in morale and actual capability.  Eventually if Russia can hold out long enough without some local crazies starting a revolution (like 1917 or the fall of the Soviet Union) Russia wins by default as the last man standing.
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Reply #91 on: November 18, 2023, 10:29:04 pm
all of NATO has a clear interest in the outcome in ukraine. just because russia is no longer ruled by "dirty reds" does not mean they're not a potential threat, especially to their immediate neighbors. authoritarianism wears many guises.


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Reply #92 on: November 18, 2023, 11:56:46 pm
all of NATO has a clear interest in the outcome in ukraine. just because russia is no longer ruled by "dirty reds" does not mean they're not a potential threat, especially to their immediate neighbors. authoritarianism wears many guises.

Well except Hungary which is more pro-Putin if anything.


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Reply #93 on: November 19, 2023, 06:42:56 pm
Hungary isn't alone. Quite a lot of majority pro-Putin, Hungary-sized states here too. These would be our "Red" states, right? Hmmm...red...Putin...Russia...coincidence or fate?  ::)  The Colorado Judge that recently ruled you can't run for office after being involved in insurrection unless you are already the President was a real credit to jurisprudence. I guess the Constitution really IS a suicide plot, at least as long as nobody charged with enforcing the rules is willing to set aside their own self-interests or fear. The Military Cyber Divisions of Russia, China & Iran really deserve a lot of credit for their work here. Maybe their commanders will get dachas in Colorado, New Hampshire, Minnesota and Michigan after the dust settles.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/colorado-judges-allows-trump-primary-ballot-delays-decision-general-election-2023-11-18/

Donald Trump to remain on Colorado primary ballot after judge dismisses lawsuit
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67446313
Section three of the 14th Amendment bars from office those who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and then "engaged in insurrection" against it.A group of Colorado voters filed a legal challenge in September, arguing the amendment should apply to Mr Trump and his involvement in the 2021 riot at the US Capitol.
But Ms Wallace disagreed, arguing in her ruling that the 14th amendment's insurrection ban does not apply to presidents because Section 3 does not explicitly name them.
"After considering the arguments on both sides, the Court is persuaded that 'officers of the United States,' did not include the President of the United States."
"t appears to the court that for whatever reason the drafters of Section Three did not intend to include a person who had only taken the presidential oath," she wrote in her ruling.
Ms Wallace did find, however, that Mr Trump "engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021 through incitement, and that the First Amendment does not protect Trump's speech".

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Reply #94 on: November 19, 2023, 07:07:33 pm
i wonder if new zealand is accepting refugees from the US? pretty sure i won't be allowed to bring my firearms. too old to run. guess i might as well fight it out here.


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Reply #95 on: November 19, 2023, 08:58:50 pm
i wonder if new zealand is accepting refugees from the US? pretty sure i won't be allowed to bring my firearms. too old to run. guess i might as well fight it out here.

NZ had pretty open firearm rules until very recently. That changed after 2019 when a white supremacist killed 51 people in Christchurch.


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Reply #96 on: November 19, 2023, 09:17:30 pm
NZ had pretty open firearm rules until very recently. That changed after 2019 when a white supremacist killed 51 people in Christchurch.
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Reply #97 on: November 20, 2023, 02:24:48 am
all of NATO has a clear interest in the outcome in ukraine. just because russia is no longer ruled by "dirty reds" does not mean they're not a potential threat, especially to their immediate neighbors. authoritarianism wears many guises.
I thought most people  realised what Russia was like a long time ago ,although Putin did pull the wool over some people's eyes ,even being allowed to meet the queen in this country , which seems incredible now !


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Reply #98 on: December 14, 2023, 10:22:55 pm
Some light!

EU Agrees To Open Ukraine Membership Talks;  Dec 14, 2023

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/12/14/eu-agrees-to-open-ukraine-membership-talks/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=3934422&sh=6fb7ae87a0f8

The European Union on Thursday unanimously agreed to open membership talks for Ukraine, the president of the European Council announced, a decision Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky lauded as a “victory” in what could be a major blow for Russia, as its invasion of Ukraine nears the two-year mark.

EU leaders agreed at a meeting in Brussels to open talks for Ukraine—as well as neighboring Moldova—to enter the 27-member bloc, despite years-long opposition from Hungary.


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Reply #99 on: December 14, 2023, 10:32:22 pm
Well, that is going to tighten Putin's jaws. And he was having such a nice day so far.
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Reply #100 on: December 14, 2023, 10:57:39 pm
Well, that is going to tighten Putin's jaws. And he was having such a nice day so far.

With MAGA in the US and Hungary in the EU being fully pro-Russia and pro-Putin  he has very little to worry about.   

The Ukraine will be eventually be forced into "peace" negotiations and have to cede any territory Russia currently occupies and probably cop an arms embargo, an overall win for Putin. This will then give Russia a few year breathing space to build up their army again and at some stage will contrive some new excuse about pedophile nazi's in the Ukraine and take the rest of the country.


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Reply #101 on: December 14, 2023, 11:23:36 pm
Our MAGA GOP House is busy "Impeaching" Hunter Biden, an unelected citizen...?!  They seem opposed to an open televised trial. Nobody likes to look as stupid/treacherous as they really are, right?  ::)
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Reply #102 on: December 15, 2023, 12:32:27 am
With MAGA in the US and Hungary in the EU being fully pro-Russia and pro-Putin  he has very little to worry about.   Yes,can't see him being too worried about EU.

The Ukraine will be eventually be forced into "peace" negotiations and have to cede any territory Russia currently occupies and probably cop an arms embargo, an overall win for Putin. This will then give Russia a few year breathing space to build up their army again and at some stage will contrive some new excuse about pedophile nazi's in the Ukraine and take the rest of the country.
If Russia keeps what they invaded in Ukraine Putin won't stop at Ukraine .


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Reply #103 on: December 15, 2023, 01:04:05 am
Tru Dat! Maybe the Dear Leader will persuade Putin to trade Ukraine for a warm water port at Mir-a-Lago.
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Reply #104 on: December 17, 2023, 11:37:55 pm
Putin is making noises about Finland now. Claims it is NATO's fault for 'dragging' Finland into NATO !


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Reply #105 on: December 18, 2023, 12:38:11 am
if china attacked russia, (who) would the US help?


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Reply #106 on: December 18, 2023, 05:38:27 am
if china attacked russia, (who) would the US help?

They have both been US Allies in the past and recipients of Lend Lease .  Though technically it was Soviet Russia and the Republic of China at the time.


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Reply #107 on: December 18, 2023, 05:51:18 pm
Maybe Congress would spend their time deciding if chocolate milk should now be on school menus and impeaching the unelected, non-office-holding Hunter Biden. Is the US just getting too stupid to live?

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Reply #108 on: December 18, 2023, 09:30:48 pm
i expect they'll claim that hunter's lapses are an indication of joe's lack of family values... hmm, family values, where've i heard that before? oh, yeah, splitting up immigrant families etc.


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Reply #109 on: December 19, 2023, 01:47:54 am
if china attacked russia, (who) would the US help?
Neither ! (or was it a rhetorical question ?)


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Reply #110 on: December 19, 2023, 01:51:05 am
Maybe Congress would spend their time deciding if chocolate milk should now be on school menus and impeaching the unelected, non-office-holding Hunter Biden. Is the US just getting too stupid to live?
It looks a bit like it. Although some of the comments from the contributors on here do still give some hope.


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Reply #111 on: December 19, 2023, 02:51:42 am
Maybe Congress would spend their time deciding if chocolate milk should now be on school menus

Be aware that Chocolate milk is not necessarily Kosher which may cause issues for orthodox students and also children of Messianic Christians.   Evangelicals?  who knows ...  they make it up as they go along and claim it is biblical.

Islamic students will be OK with Chocolate Milk providing there is no porcine gelatin used in producing the product.  Chocolate is Halal providing any gelatin is plant based.


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Reply #112 on: December 19, 2023, 09:28:23 am
Halal. Kosher. No cloven hoofs. Our TEETH tell us we are omnivores. A million years of hominids proving that anything that walks, crawls, swims, flies, or even tries to get away is suitable for dinner. Almost all plants are dinner too. Some plants require extensive prisoner testing (cassava, tapioca, the Buckeye bush nuts, etc... :o) prior to the rest of the tribe chowing down. The absolute absurdity of all this made-up dietary B.S. is astounding. My favorite is how the Vikings died off in the "Little Ice Age" of the 1300's because they wouldn't adopt the native peoples fish, walrus, whale & seal diet. That's hard core - to be surrounded by seafood and starve yourself off because your sheep, cows, greens & grains were gone because "things changed" & it became too cold to grow plants. Generally, if you are hungry, you'll eat, despite any anointed words of the Big Juju. That's how we covered the globe, pole to pole, sky to ground, and we did it with only fire & sharp sticks.

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As an aside, in 1991 when the "Battle of Mogadishu" went down, I clearly remember seeing on the news footage huge piles of bags of Purina People Ration (Halal) stacked in the warehouses our army was guarding. Interestingly it is difficult to get a list of Purina feeding products on the internet. Maybe someone's squeamish about their company's product line? The Purina Monkey ration is easy to find however...just how different could the "People Ration" really be?  :o ;D Might be handy to have a bag or two stashed away for hard times.
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Reply #113 on: December 20, 2023, 07:04:06 pm
An article in my newspaper today, written by Ivan Nechepurenko and published by the NY Times, reports that Alexel Navalny, a leader of the opposition in Russia, has disappeared from the prison where he was confined and no one knows what happened to him or where he is.

Dimitry Peskov, spokesman for President Vladimir Putin, told journalists Friday that the Kremlin had "neither the possibility, nor rights or desire to trace the fate of convicts", referring to Navalny.
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One fears the worst in this case.

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Reply #115 on: December 22, 2023, 04:33:27 pm
Maybe he "volunteered" for Ukraine Duty in the New Wagner Group? They apparently don't track those guys after they hit the front line.
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Reply #116 on: December 26, 2023, 10:02:02 pm
The data is trending into the "Too stupid to live" corner... >:(

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67766964

How pro-Russian 'yacht' propaganda influenced US debate over Ukraine aid
20th December 2023

A website founded by a former US Marine who now lives in Russia has fuelled a rumour that Volodymyr Zelensky purchased two luxury yachts with American aid money.
Despite the false claim, the disinformation plot was successful. It took off online and was echoed by members of the US Congress making crucial decisions about military spending.
It was an incredible assertion - using two advisers as proxies, Mr Zelensky paid $75m (£59m) for two yachts.
But not only has the Ukrainian government flatly denied the story, the two ships in question have not even been sold.
Despite being false, the story reached members of the US Congress, where leaders say any decision on further aid to Ukraine will be delayed until next year.




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Reply #117 on: December 26, 2023, 10:21:34 pm
The AP reports today that Navalny has been found imprisoned at a penal colony located north of the Arctic Circle. That location should keep his lawyers and any interested officials from visiting him very often. Apparently, Putin wants to make sure that he will not be saying much during the upcoming presidential election - which Putin has got locked up anyway.
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Reply #118 on: December 28, 2023, 02:40:04 am
A candidate who was going to stand against Putin in the Russian election has been disqualified for making some error on the application form apparently .   How careless of them !
Perhaps they could be allowed another chance to complete the application form and correct the
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Reply #119 on: December 30, 2023, 12:58:54 am
The AP reports today that Navalny has been found imprisoned at a penal colony located north of the Arctic Circle. That location should keep his lawyers and any interested officials from visiting him very often. Apparently, Putin wants to make sure that he will not be saying much during the upcoming presidential election - which Putin has got locked up anyway.
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Reply #120 on: December 30, 2023, 01:54:32 am
The Golden rule: "Them what has the gold(aka power) makes the rules."
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Reply #121 on: January 13, 2024, 10:41:18 pm
US election 2024: Why the world is watching so closely
12th January 2024

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67949560

In no capital in the world are they watching this campaign as closely as they are in Kyiv. The fate of the war arguably depends on the outcome.
"If the policy of the next president - whoever he is - will be different toward Ukraine, colder or more inward-oriented… then I think these signals will greatly affect the course of the war," President Volodymr Zelensky said recently.
He didn't name names but Mr Trump has said he would end the war "in 24 hours" of being elected, although he hasn't explained how. The Ukrainians are concerned he would push for negotiations that wouldn't favour their cause.
That would go down well in Russia, where the media has been particularly supportive of Trump, and some have criticised efforts to remove him from the ballot in 16 US states.
The Kremlin-controlled channel NTV was scathing. "This is real meddling in the election and the undermining of democracy by Americans themselves. No Russians or Chinese would even dream of this," NTV correspondent Anton Ponomaryov told viewers, with no hint of irony.
The implications of a shift in US policy would be felt beyond Ukraine's border and would particularly worry those European states  that neighbour Russia.

Further afield, other American allies may decide the US is not a reliable security partner. One US senator raised the prospect of Japan developing its own nuclear arsenal if America stops helping Ukraine. Tokyo, he told me, could decide the American nuclear security umbrella simply has too many holes in it.
There's also the prospect that a re-elected President Trump would act on his desire to pull America out of Nato, effectively crippling the military alliance. Two people with ties to the Trump campaign have told me he does plan to do just that.
Europeans, says Senator Coons, are right to be anxious.
"The US and its European allies have a significant common challenge. Together we have to show the world that Putin can't outlast us and that [Chinese] President Xi's vision of authoritarianism is not the best for the world."


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Swedish alarm after defence chiefs' war warning
10 Jan. 2024

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67935464

A warning to Swedes from two top defence officials to prepare for war has prompted concern and accusations of alarmism.
Civil Defence Minister Carl-Oskar Bohlin told a defence conference "there could be war in Sweden".
His message was then backed up by military commander-in-chief Gen Micael Byden, who said all Swedes should prepare mentally for the possibility.
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Reply #122 on: January 14, 2024, 12:54:57 am
US election 2024: Why the world is watching so closely

The blind unthinking bi-partisan support of the US in Australia is starting to get a lot of people worried.

Even prior to the new reformed GOP that has arisen in recent years, the US already had a reputation of abandoning allies and throwing them under the bus for internal political convenience or to keep lobbyist or the media happy.  Suez Crisis, Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Kurds all come to mind, there are no doubt others I have forgotten.


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Reply #123 on: January 14, 2024, 01:47:18 am
Somebody on tv the other day was saying the result of the American election will actually be more critical to the UK than who wins our own election later this year.


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Reply #124 on: January 14, 2024, 01:48:47 pm
Somebody on tv the other day was saying the result of the American election will actually be more critical to the UK than who wins our own election later this year.

I don't know about the UK, but that certainly is true for Ukraine.
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Reply #125 on: January 20, 2024, 03:52:29 pm
"It's deja vu all over again"  Does sound familiar though.

AfD: Germans float ban on elected far-right party after scandal

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68029232

Germany is wrestling with a potentially explosive debate over whether to ban the far-right party Alternative for Germany, or AfD.
Germans have been shocked by revelations that senior figures attended a meeting where mass deportations were allegedly discussed.
A growing backlash has sparked large protests and public condemnation.
The AfD, which continues to poll second nationally, says it's being scandalously smeared by opponents.
"Panic is spreading. We can smell your fear," AfD MP Bernd Baumann declared this week, addressing politicians from the ruling coalition parties.It was investigative outlet Correctiv that released a bombshell report about a "secret" meeting at a hotel near Berlin in November involving around 20 people - including senior AfD figures and neo-Nazi influencers.
At least two members of the centre-right Christian Democrats (CDU), the party of former Chancellor Angela Merkel, were also said to be present - claims being "examined" by party officials.
Discussion allegedly focused on so-called "remigration" - the removal of millions of asylum seekers, "non-assimilated" people and those with "non-German" backgrounds, even if they hold residency rights and citizenship.
Since its release, the report has sparked large anti-AfD rallies including in Berlin, Cologne and Hamburg, and more are due to take place this weekend.
At least 50,000 people turned out in the centre of Hamburg on Friday to hear centre-left Mayor Peter Tschentscher deliver a message to the AfD: "We are united and determined not to let our country and democracy be destroyed for the second time since 1945."
Many at the protest voiced shock at the deportation plan and concern at the strength of the AfD.
"I feel threatened and I am already making plans to get out of Germany. I don't feel comfortable here any more," said one German citizen whose family comes from Latin America.
Chancellor Olaf Scholz has expressed gratitude for the "tens of thousands" of protesters, warning that any expulsion plan amounted to "an attack against our democracy and in turn on all of us".



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Reply #126 on: January 25, 2024, 02:20:25 am
Quoteb from reply 121 - 'A warning to Swedes from two top defence officials to prepare for war has prompted concern and accusations of alarmism.
Civil Defence Minister Carl-Oskar Bohlin told a defence conference "there could be war in Sweden".
His message was then backed up by military commander-in-chief Gen Micael Byden, who said all Swedes should prepare mentally for the possibility.'
They are saying a similar thing here regarding the threat from Russia. i.e. setting up a citizens defence force in addition to the regular army and reservists. ( similar to the Home Guard in the second world war i suppose but obviously more modern )
ps America will already be better prepared when most people have guns anyway !


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Reply #127 on: January 27, 2024, 07:55:59 am
One hand washes the other. Finland AND Sweden are both NATO now. The Baltic is heating up...Putin now has more to worry about. Now if we can just keep the USA a NATO member we'll be all good! ???

US approves F-16 fighter jet sale to Turkey worth $23bn
26th January 2024

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68115978

The US government has approved the $23bn (£18bn) sale of 40 new F-16 fighter jets to Turkey - a move that had been long delayed - after Ankara ratified Sweden's accession to Nato.
The deal includes modernisation kits for 79 existing Turkish F-16s.

The US State Department told Congress it had also approved the sale of 40 F-35 fighters to Greece, costing $8.6bn.
Turkey ratified Sweden's Nato accession after more than a year of delay that caused tension in the alliance.
It first made the request for the jets in 2021, but its delay in ratifying Sweden's Nato bid proved to be a major stumbling block. Turkey was concerned over what it called Sweden's support for Kurdish separatists.
But Turkish MPs ratified Sweden's bid this week and Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan gave his final sign-off.
US President Joe Biden then urged that the F-16 sales be approved "without delay".


...And the bravest man in Russia, after Navalny....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/26/putin-challenger-russia-boris-nadezhdin/
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Reply #128 on: January 27, 2024, 08:01:40 am
Erdogan run Turkey is a bit of a powder keg and very unpredictable.


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Reply #129 on: January 27, 2024, 02:30:23 pm
Sweden isn't over the NATO hump yet. They still have to get approval from one of the Baltic countries that is looking for a cash payout.
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Reply #130 on: January 27, 2024, 03:39:54 pm
Hungary is apparently waiting for the Dear Leader to re-emerge over here and join up with them in the Fantasy Dictator League. Maybe we could send them a one-way Connex full of their favorite Right-Wing Nuts, it'd surely save a lot of court costs.
" But the North Atlantic Treaty regulating NATO does not have an option to suspend or even expel members. But there's the possibility to do something to the same effect when a member state persistently violates the principles contained in the pact—by failing to safeguard the freedom of its people, the country's democracy and the rule of law. In that case, NATO members can unanimously decide to stop assisting that ally. "

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/us-disappointed-that-hungary-taking-so-long-to-approve-sweden-joining-nato
While the Hungarian government formally supports Sweden’s accession, the country’s parliament has avoided voting on the matter, fuelling frustration among Nato allies and raising questions about the motivations of Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán.
The Hungarian leader routinely criticises his western allies and has been nurturing relationships with Moscow and Beijing.
In an interview at the US embassy in Budapest on Thursday afternoon, the US ambassador, David Pressman, said: “An alliance is only as strong as the commitments that we make to each other and the commitments that we keep.
“I think that it’s important that the Hungarian government live up to its commitment, and its commitment has been that it will not be the last ally to ratify Sweden’s accession.”
He added: “Keeping your word is obviously an important element of trust in any relationship.”
Domestically, senior Hungarian politicians have argued that Sweden’s bid has not been put to a parliamentary vote because the country has been critical of the state of Hungarian democracy. Nevertheless, diplomats familiar with the Nato application process say Hungary never formally raised any objections to Swedish membership.
This week, Orbán sent a letter to his Swedish counterpart, Ulf Kristersson, inviting him for discussions, a proposal Sweden’s prime minister has accepted while indicating he will not be negotiating over the country’s Nato membership.
Asked whether Hungary had presented any demands, Pressman said: “The United States is unaware of what is causing the delay by the Hungarian government.”
He was blunt about Washington’s position, saying: “We’re disappointed that this has taken so long. And we look forward to Hungary living up to the commitment it’s made to the United States and to its other allies.”
The ambassador also underscored Budapest’s deepening diplomatic isolation, beyond the issue of Sweden’s Nato accession.
“Hungary is really alone – and it doesn’t need to be,” he said, citing Hungarian government decisions such as blocking EU financing for Ukraine, holding talks with Vladimir Putin and resisting efforts to diversify away from Russian energy as “worrying signs”.
While Hungary is formally an ally of the US, Orbán has listed the US president, Joe Biden, as one of his opponents and senior Hungarian officials have accused Washington of meddling in Hungarian politics. Government-controlled media routinely run anti-American content, including conspiracy theories about US foreign policy.
“The bilateral relationship between the US and Hungary is extremely difficult,” the ambassador said.
Pressman also described the Hungarian government’s foreign policy as a “fantasy”.
“The Hungarians have this idea that it’s a political communications device where they’re constantly talking about imperialists and colonialists and Brussels and George Soros – and all of these entities who are trying to ‘interfere’ in its domestic politics – and it’s really a fantasy,” he said. “And it’s a fantasy that is serving some political purpose in this country, but is also distracting from some of the real challenges and opportunities that Hungary has. (That sounds familiar...)
“And part of that fantasy involves waiting out other governments – so whether it’s wishing to see a different leadership in the European Commission or different leadership in the United States of America or different leaders in any country around Europe. It’s not a foreign policy, it’s a foreign fantasy,” he added.

https://apnews.com/article/turkey-sweden-nato-ratification-expansion-3686af974e7f9238ee9698451e649ea9
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán says his government is in favor of bringing Sweden into NATO, though he also has suggested that members of his governing Fidesz party remain unconvinced because of “blatant lies” from some Swedish politicians about the state of Hungary’s democracy.
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Reply #131 on: January 27, 2024, 10:15:32 pm
How could there be a question about the state of Hungary's democracy?  ::)
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Reply #132 on: January 27, 2024, 11:10:36 pm
I have not been following it recently but I believe some of the reimbursement restrictions blocking billions of euros going to Hungary were lifted once they modified new laws to comply with human rights however some 21 Billion Euro of other EU funding remains blocked due to corruption, politicians attempting to over-rule the courts and eliminate judicial independence,  and human rights issues.

The EU blocking funding to Hungary was believed to be part of the original motivation for them being difficult with both Swedish membership and also EU funding to Ukraine.

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Reply #133 on: January 30, 2024, 02:43:43 am
'And the bravest man in Russia, after Navalny....'
Yes, what will it be  - poison, prison or falling from a high level window ?!


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Reply #134 on: January 30, 2024, 02:52:20 am
Maybe Ukraine terrorists will down his plane..worked well enough on Prigozhin.
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Reply #135 on: January 30, 2024, 11:40:58 pm
Maybe Ukraine terrorists will down his plane..worked well enough on Prigozhin.
Yes,forgot that one.
Whatever, even if they survive to polling day nobody will obviously be allowed to beat Putin in a Russian 'election ' !


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Reply #136 on: January 31, 2024, 12:23:02 am
Yes,forgot that one.
Whatever, even if they survive to polling day nobody will obviously be allowed to beat Putin in a Russian 'election ' !

Well, you know,  you cannot trust the unwashed masses to make an informed decision without a bit of "guidance" as to who are suitable candidates.


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Reply #137 on: January 31, 2024, 03:41:31 am
Apparently the PLA and Wagner Group are supplying plenty of "guidance" this year. Good to finally be informed via social media with the "true lowdown" on Tay-Tay & Kelce... :o
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Reply #138 on: January 31, 2024, 06:03:25 pm
Pick your flavor. IF the dust settles on the "Logic" side, there will be a lot of folks banned from public office. If we succumb to the "Internet Crazy" OpFor Bot driven side, after the White Nationalism pogrom is done creating a large slavitude class and transferring their wealth over, things may really degrade. 

"It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you." vs. "Its Only Paranoia If They're Not Really After You."

China suspected of using AI on social media to sway US voters, Microsoft says
https://www.reuters.com/world/china-may-be-behind-social-media-accounts-seeking-sway-us-voters-microsoft-says-2023-09-07/

Study Confirms Influence of Russian Internet “Trolls” on 2016 Election
https://www.sipa.columbia.edu/news/study-confirms-influence-russian-internet-trolls-2016-election

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Reply #139 on: February 01, 2024, 12:04:18 am
Apparently the PLA and Wagner Group are supplying plenty of "guidance" this year. Good to finally be informed via social media with the "true lowdown" on Tay-Tay & Kelce... :o
What are Tay-Tay & Kelce ?


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Reply #140 on: February 01, 2024, 12:07:54 am
I thought it was now taken for granted that Russia and China ( and other 'unfriendly ' countries ) will try and interfere in America's elections and other internal affairs.
As well as Britain's affairs of course .


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Reply #141 on: February 01, 2024, 01:45:20 am
I thought it was now taken for granted that Russia and China ( and other 'unfriendly ' countries ) will try and interfere in America's elections and other internal affairs.
As well as Britain's affairs of course .
i do. i routinely note that Donny the Hutt is working from the KGB playbook.


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Reply #142 on: February 01, 2024, 03:03:11 am
@ Reply #139: Taylor Swift and her squeeze Travis Kelce. The Nut-web has "determined" that Tay-Tay is actually working under deep cover for the Pentagon and Kelce is a highly paid shill for Pfizer, a vaccine supplier. Also that the Super Bowl is fixed, and that the number 13 is integral to this whole process. LOTS of "woo woo" here. The sad part is that these folks vote...

https://nypost.com/2024/01/31/news/end-the-taylor-travis-super-bowl-biden-cia-conspiracy-theory/
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Reply #143 on: February 04, 2024, 10:36:47 pm
12 arrested and 3 dead that Putin says were selling information regarding his "unstoppable" hypersonic missile. Sounds to me like if you are a scientist or a military program manager, it is probably a good time to get out of Dodge and head for some country where you can relax on the beach, while staying away from windows, stairs and hospitals:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRzmw5AFvm8
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Reply #145 on: February 14, 2024, 08:45:34 pm
Meanwhile there are claims that Putin is being sold Starlink access. Denied by Starlink of course.

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-use-elon-musk-starlink-ukraine-army-intelligence-say/


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Here's where they're getting them from.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28009

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Reply #147 on: February 16, 2024, 05:22:43 pm
The shifting balance of power in the Black Sea

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/turkey-black-sea/

In contrast to the deadlocked land war, Ukraine’s tactics in the Black Sea have dealt Russia humiliating defeats, with Turkey emerging as the sea’s maritime power
In a nutshell
Ukraine’s strikes have forced the Russian Black Sea Fleet to retreat
As Russian naval prowess wanes, Black Sea power dynamics have shifted
Turkey, the gatekeeper of the sea’s naval traffic, has gained the upper hand
major consequence of Russia’s strategic miscalculation in attacking Ukraine is unfolding in the Black Sea. Turkey stands to be its greatest beneficiary.
In contrast to the land war between Russian and Ukrainian forces, which, Ukraine’s recently dismissed commander-in-chief General Valery Zaluzhny, had famously declared to be in a stalemate  with no prospects for any “beautiful military breakthrough,” the dynamics in the Black Sea are changing. Russia is on the losing end as its large-scale invasion approaches the two-year mark on February 24.
By using Western-supplied cruise missiles and through ingenious attacks with automated weapons systems, Ukraine is defying the odds. So far, it has been remarkably successful in punishing the Russian Black Sea fleet, forcing it to assume a defensive posture and even retreat eastward. To make matters worse for Russia, Ukraine has scored another victory by reestablishing a shipping corridor hugging the western shores of the Black Sea and eventually transiting through Istanbul to export its grain, something Russia was desperately trying to prevent. This route has been largely successful, reaching an export volume not seen since the Russian invasion, and compensating for Ukraine’s losses from the collapse of the grain corridor agreement, brokered by the United Nations and Turkey, that Russia had walked out of in July 2023.
What is truly surprising is that Ukraine is turning the tide against Russia in the Black Sea, though it barely has any navy to speak of. Russia’s inability to prevent these developments in the Black Sea has tarnished its swagger. Moreover, its loss of critical platforms, including its flagship Moskva, amounts to an actual degradation of Russian naval capabilities in the Black Sea. This problem is compounded by the fact that, for now, it is next to impossible to replace these assets.
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Reply #148 on: February 16, 2024, 05:38:41 pm
those poor boys in the russian army and navy need to go home and work to change their leaders who persist in sending them off to die on fool's errands


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Reply #149 on: February 16, 2024, 07:25:05 pm
I think the "work" will likely involve either a Dragunov or a pound of C4. Putin is a "Cold, dead fingers" kind of guy.
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Reply #150 on: February 16, 2024, 10:26:06 pm
I think the "work" will likely involve either a Dragunov or a pound of C4. Putin is a "Cold, dead fingers" kind of guy.
whatever it takes to get the job done. throwing him in prison just so he can die later of overwork or poison or hypothermia is just cruelty for its own sake.


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Reply #151 on: February 18, 2024, 01:41:28 pm
Last night I heard on the TV national news that Alexei Navalny's wife was told by the Kremlin that he died of "sudden death syndrome". There seems to be a lot of that going around Russia lately.  ::)
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Reply #152 on: February 18, 2024, 10:27:47 pm
Very sad about Alexei Navalny killed one way or another on the orders of Putin. Even if he died of so called 'natural causes ' it would be because they weakened him to such an extent by the way he was treated in prison, and who knows what they might have been  putting in his food and drink to slowly poison his body.
ps Medledev ,Putin's sidekick, is now threatening to launch nuclear missiles specifically at Washington, London ,and other European cities he named ,if Russia is not allowed to keep territories he considers to be Russian ( and no doubt other countries Russia might want to invade )


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Reply #153 on: February 19, 2024, 12:16:15 am
Sounds like a way to guarantee Moscow will glow in the dark for about the next 500 years. The good news is that when you go skating on the sheet of glass at night where the Kremlin used to be you won't need a flashlight (electric torch).
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Reply #154 on: February 19, 2024, 01:21:02 am

Medledev ,Putin's sidekick, is now threatening to launch nuclear missiles specifically at Washington, London ,and other European cities he named ,if Russia is not allowed to keep territories he considers to be Russian ( and no doubt other countries Russia might want to invade )
seward's folly too.

a KGB officer with nukes. unless suicide is part of the plan(a la adolf),  his bunker had best be deep and well-stocked with young ladies.


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Reply #155 on: February 19, 2024, 04:33:26 am
Mongolia's reaction to Russian claims that anything that used to be Russian historically still belongs to Russia:


Mongol Tsakhia ELBEGDORJ (former president)

After Putin’s talk. I found Mongolian historic map. Don’t worry. We are a peaceful and free nation.







It also raised a few eyebrows in China where there is an ongoing dispute with Russia over the status of Vladivostok and the former Soviet Far East, which was for centuries indisputably Chinese territory but was appropriated under force by Russia in Victorina times the Soviets settled it  with deported Ukrainians and Cossacks from Crimea in the 1930's.  (basically Stalin suppressed a Ukrainian independence movement in the 1930's by sending millions of Ukrainians to the Far East on the Chinese border where they could not do any harm) .

https://intpolicydigest.org/with-russia-weakened-china-sets-its-sights-on-vladivostok/
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Reply #156 on: February 19, 2024, 12:37:20 pm
if i recall my 1970 high school russian history correctly, the russian imperial house was founded by Rurik and his former viking compatriots who had colonized ukraine, much like the normans did normandy, and then went on to conquer most of britain.

so technically it could be argued that russia belongs to ukraine, rather than the other way around. or maybe it belongs to norway?


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Reply #157 on: February 19, 2024, 02:10:20 pm
Putin should really give Russia back to the Mongols. They clearly deserve it. After all, they were there first. ;D
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Reply #158 on: February 19, 2024, 04:42:44 pm
Kremlin sacks head of Black Sea fleet after Ukraine sinks warships
Bloggers say ‘it had become impossible to ignore the latest heavy losses’ under Admiral Viktor Sokolov
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/17/putin-sacks-head-of-black-sea-fleet-after-ukraine-sinks-war/

Ukraine claims critical strike on Caesar Kunikov, Russian Black Sea warship ; 12 Feb 2024
The attack near occupied Crimea came as Ukraine’s new military chief toured the front lines.
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Reply #159 on: February 19, 2024, 10:01:33 pm
The Admiral should have gone down with his ship.
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Reply #160 on: February 20, 2024, 02:26:07 am
Ukraine make their own sea drones so the campaign in the black sea is going well.

They are however losing heaps of people and towns in the land battles now that pro-Putin MAGA and  Trump have put the Kybosh on the US supplying ammo - probably permanently unless MAGA lose control of the house.  Even if MAGA had a change of heart and now approved the bill most of the damage has been done the lost troops and lost ground cannot be regained.

The fact that they gave up their nuclear weapons and dismantled and destroyed their long range bomber fleet back in the nineties as part of a deal where the US agreed to support them if attacked apparently is beside the point.

On the plus side Australia this week announced another increase in military aid to Ukraine, though it is a drop in the ocean compared to what will be need to make up for the ongoing loss of US support.
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Reply #161 on: February 20, 2024, 06:17:35 am
To be clear, as part of the deal brokered by the US,  in return for promises of protection from attack,  Ukraine destroyed -

11 Tu-160 strategic bombers
27 Tu-95 strategic bombers
483 Kh-55 air-launched cruise missiles

all of which could have been converted to carry conventional warheads.

https://www.armscontrol.org/node/2963

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Since 1997, under the Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) program, the United States has assisted Ukraine with dismantling remaining heavy bombers, strategic air-launched cruise missiles, and ICBMs and associated silos and launch-control centers.

The CTR program will also help Ukraine eliminate its Tu-22M Backfire bombers, Tu-134 combat trainers, and Kh-22 air-launched cruise missiles. According to Defense Threat Reduction Agency spokesman Bob Bennett, although these weapons systems are not covered by the START agreement, given their capabilities, the United States feels it is “advantageous” to assist Ukraine with their dismantlement. CTR efforts in Ukraine are expected to be concluded by 2007
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Even before MAGA the US was already setting up Ukraine to be taken over by Putin.
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Reply #162 on: February 20, 2024, 09:06:22 am
I'm hoping there will be a sanity-regaining "come to Jesus" moment after Tuesday, November 5, 2024. A good start would be repatriating Carlson et al to their preferred homeland - lots of space in Siberia. Otherwise Putin & Xi will get it all.

The MAGA rabbit-hole diving crowd will have a tough time explaining to their kids & grandkids in 20 years why they threw in with Vlad & his puppet the "полезный идиот". With luck it'll be like looking for Nixon voters.

The good news is that no other country from here one out will really trust the USA to honor commitments, so there will be fewer Iraq's and Ukraines. The biggest winner will be China, they'll be the de facto voice of sanity compared to Russia & the USA.
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Reply #163 on: February 21, 2024, 06:14:00 pm
The biggest winner will be China, they'll be the de facto voice of sanity compared to Russia & the USA.' - but a little oppressive !


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Reply #164 on: February 21, 2024, 06:21:48 pm
To be clear, as part of the deal brokered by the US,  in return for promises of protection from attack,  Ukraine destroyed -

11 Tu-160 strategic bombers
27 Tu-95 strategic bombers
483 Kh-55 air-launched cruise missiles

all of which could have been converted to carry conventional warheads.

i might have missed something but what did Ukraine get from Russia in exchange for losing all these weapons.




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Reply #165 on: February 21, 2024, 10:42:01 pm

i might have missed something but what did Ukraine get from Russia in exchange for losing all these weapons.


Stuff returned to Russia

For the ex Soviet warheads, weapons and equipment given back to Russia I believe they were given some sort of offset on a gas debt.

Stuff Destroyed with US help

As for all the items destroyed, nothing from Russia.

What they got from dismantling the ex-Soviet stuff that Russia did not want was threefold:

  • help dismantling a huge nuclear deterrent they would have struggled to maintain in operational condition and were unlikely to ever be able to actually use - in some cases due to practical considerations like missing launch codes, but also politically it would have been disastrous to use the weapons.
    (Ukraine had the third largest stockpile of operational nukes in the world at that point in time, Ukraine had 1,900 Soviet strategic nuclear warheads and between 2,650 and 4,200 Soviet tactical nuclear weapons deployed on its territory at the time of independence in 1991)
  • they got the Budapest Memorandum
  • some vague promises about eventual EU/NATO memberships if they complied 

Budapest Memorandum

The Budapest memorandum supposedly was a guarantee that none of the major powers US/UK/Russia would ever attack ukraine and that they would support Ukraine if attacked.  The Budapest Agreement was worthless as Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and the US and UK just stood by and watched,  and in then in current war Russia blatantly broke the agreement right at the start and the Pro-putin MAGA house have broken it now for a second time.
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Reply #166 on: February 22, 2024, 04:07:05 pm
i might have missed something but what did Ukraine get from Russia in exchange for losing all these weapons?

The GOP, Tucker, The Dear Leader, OAN, NewsMax, Fox?  >:(

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Reply #167 on: February 22, 2024, 04:19:06 pm
Coincidence - nothing to see here folks, move along...  ::)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68367482
Kremlin lashes out after Joe Biden aims sweary barb at Vladimir Putin

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68369084
AT&T outage: Thousands report issues with US mobile services
Users have said their phones are displaying the SOS message, leaving them unable to make calls or access services.
The complaints comprise issues with calls, texts and internet access, with most reports indicating no service or no signal.
Downdetector's heatmap shows major population centres including Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston and Atlanta are among those facing the highest number of outages.
Some have also reported experiencing difficulties with 911 service in some areas, with officials advising the use of a landline, social media or a cell phone with a different carrier in the event of an emergency.
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Reply #168 on: February 22, 2024, 08:36:42 pm
my household includes 2 cell phones via AT&T; one unaffected, one unable to send or receive calls. the store manager we went to at 9 am for diagnostics we were in the neighborhood getting dental work) described the incident as a "nationwide attack", although i don't know how accurate that description is. nationwide, yes, attack, not so sure. i did mention that this was something our good close personal friends in russia or china would do.


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Reply #169 on: February 23, 2024, 02:27:45 am
'On Thursday, Mr Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the comment "debases America" and described Mr Biden as a "Hollywood cowboy".

"Has Mr Putin ever used one crude word to address you?" he added.'

Putin tends to do a bit more than use crude words !  >:(


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Reply #170 on: February 25, 2024, 01:08:51 am
Ukraine shot down another $300 million Russian AWACS aircraft using an old S200 antiaircraft missile. You would have thought they would have seen that missile coming and taken some sort of counter-measure. I guess those old Soviet aircraft just are not working like they were designed to do. Either that or the crew was having a vodka party at the time.  ::)  I don't think the Russians have very many of these planes left that they are using to keep an eye on the battlefield and controlling their attack aircraft.
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Reply #171 on: February 25, 2024, 01:40:56 am
I'm getting the impression that all this voodoo high tech is mostly smoke & mirrors making bank for arms dealers. Maybe we'll be waving the boys off soon in concrete Liberty Ships shouldering their M1903-A3 Springfields.

An actual hi-tech confrontation should be over fast. The spare parts will be all used up in a week or so.
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Reply #172 on: February 25, 2024, 03:05:38 am
as we've seen with their tanks, i'm coming to suspect that much of russian military tech is sorely outdated. since the chinese used to derive theirs from russia, i wonder if they're a "paper tiger" too?


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Reply #173 on: February 25, 2024, 01:34:22 pm
as we've seen with their tanks, i'm coming to suspect that much of russian military tech is sorely outdated. since the chinese used to derive theirs from russia, i wonder if they're a "paper tiger" too?

I have long suspected that the Russian military developers and manufacturers greatly exaggerate their new technology to the country's bosses just so the junk will be bought and also to scare the West into reacting. Which we do and then develop a counter measure or similar tech that actually does what their stuff never did, but at great expense. Kind of reminds me of Regan's Star Wars junk that never worked either, but got the Russians to freak out and spend a lot of money trying to duplicate it - which didn't work out, either.

What it all does though is to keep the military tech companies on both sides fat and happy - except maybe in Russia, where lately if your stuff really turns out to be fake, you accidentally fall out of a hospital window.  :o  While in the U.S. if our stuff doesn't work, our guys are just awarded even more money in the hopes that they will finally make it work.  ::)
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Reply #174 on: February 25, 2024, 04:08:17 pm
It's an old long standing problem that never gets fixed. In WW2 our subs were equipped with torpedoes that didn't run true, or at correct depth, were slow and had a high fail-to-detonate ratio. It took Admiral Lockwood to sort that. Remember the Iraq Gulf 1 debacle where high numbers of Apaches ended up as spare parts for the few remaining flyers? How the M1 Abrams crews had to beg their girlfriends for nylon hosiery to act as air intake pre-screens for the turbine engine so it didn't choke off and grind to a halt? After living around Fort Irwin where these very machines had been tested & vetted it's highly unlikely the issues were unknown before deployment, and especially after having had spent billions in R&D.Maybe we should start strapping a few arms suppliers corporate board members to the fronts of these machines on initial deployments.

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Reply #175 on: February 27, 2024, 06:01:20 am
Remember all the Lockheed scandals about 15 years ago where they did stuff like faked test results on missiles and then later admitted to it to get a reduced fine?


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Reply #176 on: February 27, 2024, 09:07:05 am
In other news, the deteriorating situation in Ukraine resulting from the MAGA decision to block Ukraine aid and the likelihood that Trump once elected will continue to block Ukraine aid and also withdraw from NATO is pushing EU NATO members to have a change of heart and consider sending ground troops to Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjf9pxx-RaQ


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Reply #177 on: February 27, 2024, 02:42:04 pm
In other news, the deteriorating situation in Ukraine resulting from the MAGA decision to block Ukraine aid and the likelihood that Trump once elected will continue to block Ukraine aid and also withdraw from NATO is pushing EU NATO members to have a change of heart and consider sending ground troops to Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjf9pxx-RaQ

That could be a scary situation for all involved. You never know what Putin is going to do next if he gets cornered, but whatever he does he could not care in the least what might happen to the rest of the world, or even is buddies, China, North Korea, or Iran. He only cares about himself and his legacy. Kind of reminds me of someone else I can think of.  >:(

Regarding high tech military manufacturers, my favorite story is from a few weeks ago when the Chinese military discovered that several of their ICBMs were filled with water instead of rocket fuel.  ;D  I wonder if the rocket fuel was drained and used for heating homes and cooking meals.  :o
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Reply #178 on: February 27, 2024, 10:08:21 pm
" He (Putin) only cares about himself and his legacy. "

Hopefully the PRC will aid in dispatching him so they can reallocate some sparsely populated points North territory and not lose world market share. The "good guy" points from blocking WW3 would likely buy them Taiwan a few times over. If the world economy collapses Xi's homelife immediately gets much harder. In any event the first few days of the exchange will be fascinating, seeing who was actually ready and what hardware actually worked. Hopefully we won't have to read at night by the glow of Cherenkov radiation...

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/cherenkov-radiation-explained#:~:text=Cherenkov%20radiation%20happens%20when%20electrically,interact%20to%20give%20off%20light.
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Reply #179 on: February 28, 2024, 12:27:38 am

Hopefully the PRC will aid in dispatching him so they can reallocate some sparsely populated points North territory and not lose world market share.

I am not 100% sure Putin would care.  That part of Russia is actually populated by Ukrainians.

The Russian Far East was stolen from China in Victorian times and was at the time an unpopulated wilderness. 

The modern Far East  (Vladivostok, Khabarovsk etc) is 9 hours to Moscow by air and several days by train or car. It was forcibly populated by renegade Cossack/Tartar from Crimea and troublemaking Ukrainians,  by Stalin in the 1930's.   Stalin had tried suppressing the fiercely independent Ukrainians ( unhappy with collective farms and Moscow centric control ) in the early 1930's by seizing all the food and starving them (millions died) but that had minimal effect and if anything made them worse, so he deported entire towns and villages to the Far East and replaced them with Russian speaking settlers.  Some quarter of a million Ukrainians were forcibly deported to the far East in the 1930's.

About the only thing Putin would miss losing the Far East is the military value of the airfields and ports.


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The 1930s were marked by mass deportations of Ukrainian peasantry to Russia, primarily targeting “kulaks,” farmers, and those whose independent land management was more successful than the Soviet collective farm system. These groups were seen as the main threat to the USSR’s colonial policy. After occupying the territories of then-independent and democratic Ukrainian People’s Republic, the Soviet government resorted to mass deportations to suppress pro-Ukrainian nationalist potential, exiling it to the Far East and exploiting the “liberated” lands. Over time, this Red Terror became systematic, with successive waves of forced deportations of Ukrainians.
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Reply #180 on: February 29, 2024, 12:43:30 am
In other news, the deteriorating situation in Ukraine resulting from the MAGA decision to block Ukraine aid and the likelihood that Trump once elected will continue to block Ukraine aid and also withdraw from NATO is pushing EU NATO members to have a change of heart and consider sending ground troops to Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjf9pxx-RaQ
i think the UK and  EU countries have denied any intention of sending ground troops to Ukraine and Russia's propaganda  woman has acknowledged this .


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Reply #181 on: February 29, 2024, 03:44:41 pm
I assume that this announcement by Putin is no big surprise to anyone. If Putin thinks he is loosing his war, he will use tactical nukes to get his way, no matter what the result will be:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNnA-CJh_e8
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Reply #182 on: February 29, 2024, 05:33:20 pm
Then the gauntlet is thrown. Put immediate NATO air cover over Ukraine & NATO troops on the ground there or lose Eastern Europe. Now there's nowhere to go but up. Anyone world leader nuts enough to threaten casual Nuke usage upwind & next door to their own country needs to either be running for US President or get his bluff called immediately.
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Reply #183 on: February 29, 2024, 05:38:08 pm
or both


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Reply #184 on: February 29, 2024, 09:29:23 pm
Putin said at the outset that if anybody tried to stop him blah,blah -  the like of which the world had never seen , which you could only take as meaning nuclear war .


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Reply #185 on: March 01, 2024, 03:13:48 am
Putin said at the outset that if anybody tried to stop him blah,blah -  the like of which the world had never seen , which you could only take as meaning nuclear war .
someone (preferably one of his own people) needs to put a bullet in his head, and the sooner the better.  sociopathic megalomaniacs can't be relied upon to do it themselves without "help"
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Reply #186 on: March 02, 2024, 02:28:53 pm
Putin is now predicting the end of civilization if he doesn't get what he wants and needs to use nukes to achieve his goals. I guess that means the end of American hamburgers and French fries.  ::)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax-2LKVrKzg
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Reply #187 on: March 02, 2024, 03:18:23 pm
"the only thing we have to fear is...fear itself".
sociopaths routinely lie and threaten but they're rarely interested in suicide.


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Reply #188 on: March 02, 2024, 09:42:23 pm
As Yoda would put it ...  "Narcissism, in that one, strong it be. "


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Reply #189 on: March 05, 2024, 10:57:56 pm
No lost time here! Nord Stream apparently got the Scandinavians full attention. The Baltic states are probably thrilled.

Hungarian President Signs Sweden's Bid to Join NATO
https://www.voanews.com/a/hungarian-president-signs-sweden-s-bid-to-join-nato/7514634.html

Poised for accession, Sweden joins NATO drills in reshaped north
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poised-accession-sweden-joins-nato-drills-reshaped-north-2024-03-04/

Newly enlarged NATO starts drill in Finland, Norway and Sweden in defense of its Nordic turf
https://apnews.com/article/nato-military-drill-nordics-finland-norway-sweden-87ff05e1bb24f77dc9d5b5bf09c709b0
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Reply #190 on: March 05, 2024, 11:18:41 pm
Germany and Russia spar over a leaked audio on missiles for Ukraine. Berlin promises to investigate

https://apnews.com/article/russia-germany-ukraine-taurus-missiles-recording-de408772f1edf3bd2f98fd5a3f64da3c

BERLIN (AP) — The German government on Monday vehemently rejected allegations that Russia’s leak of a conversation by high-ranking German military officers was an indication that Berlin was preparing for war against Russia.
At the same time, the government sought to contain the domestic fallout from the leak and promised a quick investigation into how a conversation by top German military personnel could be intercepted and published.
“It is absolutely clear that such claims that this conversation would prove, that Germany is preparing a war against Russia, that this is absurdly infamous Russian propaganda,” a spokesman for German Chancellor Olaf Scholz told reporters in Berlin.
Government spokesman Wolfgang Buechner said the leak was part of Russia’s “information war” against the West, and that the aim was to create discord within Germany.
The 38-minute recording features military officers discussing in German how Taurus long-range cruise missiles could be used by Kyiv against invading Russian forces.
The audio leak was posted by Margarita Simonyan, chief editor of Russian state-funded television channel RT, on social media on Friday, the same day that Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny was laid to rest after his still-unexplained death two weeks ago in an Arctic penal colony. The recording also surfaced just weeks before Russia’s presidential election.
The audio leak was posted by Margarita Simonyan, chief editor of Russian state-funded television channel RT, on social media on Friday, the same day that Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny was laid to rest after his still-unexplained death two weeks ago in an Arctic penal colony. The recording also surfaced just weeks before Russia’s presidential election.
In the leaked audio, four officers, including the head of Germany’s air force, Ingo Gerhartz, can be heard discussing deployment scenarios for Taurus missiles in Ukraine before a meeting with Defense Minister Boris Pistorius, German news agency dpa reported.
The officers then state that early delivery and rapid deployment of Taurus missiles would only be possible with the participation of German soldiers. The officers said training Ukrainian soldiers to deploy the Taurus on their own would be possible, but it would take months.
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Reply #191 on: March 10, 2024, 08:10:18 pm
https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2024/03/sweden-becomes-natos-32nd-member
Swedish forces exercise in northern Norway as the country officially joins NATO
March 7 became historic as all Nordic countries now are members of the North Atlantic Alliance. It happens simultaneously as thousands of Finnish and Swedish soldiers cross the border to Norway's Finnmark region for NATO's largest Arctic exercise so far north ever.
The Nordic footprint in NATO is highly visible in the northernmost regions of Finland, Norway and Sweden this week as thousands of soldiers train joint operations in the air, on the ground, and at sea. The bi-annual Norwegian-led exercise Cold Response has this winter changed its name to Nordic Response.
On Thursday, about 4,000 Finnish and Swedish soldiers make ready to cross the border between Enontekio in northern Finland into Kautokeino in Norway. The exercise includes 20,000 soldiers from 13 countries and is the largest military maneuver so far north of the Arctic Circle ever by the Alliance’s member states.
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Reply #192 on: March 13, 2024, 12:31:14 am
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/11/nato-allies-turkey-romania-bulgaria-sign-deal-to-clear-black-sea-mines
Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria have signed an agreement to clear mines drifting in the Black Sea that have posed a threat to shipping since the start of Russia’s war in Ukraine.
On Thursday, Turkish Defence Minister Yasar Guler said the deal establishes a Mine Countermeasures Task Group among the three NATO allies to deal with the mines as he met in Istanbul with his Romanian counterpart, Angel Tilvar, and Bulgarian Deputy Defence Minister Atanas Zapryanov.
Zapryanov said mines pose a “danger to ports, communication networks and key water infrastructure” while Tilvar added that Russia’s “disdain for the norms of international law and its aggression in the Black Sea is not only a regional problem but also a problem with global consequences”.
Sea mines have posed a threat to Ukraine’s Black Sea export routes since Russia’s invasion in February 2022, and several commercial ships have been hit, including a bulk carrier heading to a Danube River port to load grain in December.



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Reply #193 on: March 25, 2024, 01:18:12 am
ISIS attacks Russia and Russia attacks Ukraine. Sounds like when the House of Saud funded 9/1/1 and the USA attacked Iraq. Apparently the priorities of the current Supreme Commander determine the appropriate response/excuse for doing what you wanted to do all along, not the actual military & tactical reality.

Russia stages major airstrike on Ukraine; one missile enters Polish airspace ; March 24, 2024
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kyiv-lviv-under-russian-air-attack-poland-activates-aircraft-officials-say-2024-03-24/
POLISH AIRSPACE
Poland's armed forces said a Russian cruise missile launched at the region of Lviv had violated Poland's airspace.
"The object entered Polish space near the town of Oserdow (Lublin Voivodeship) and stayed there for 39 seconds," it said on the social media platform X. "During the entire flight, it was observed by military radar systems."
Poland's army spokesperson, Jacek Goryszewski, told reporters that the missile travelled about 2 km (1.2 miles) into Polish airspace before returning to Ukraine.
There was no immediate comment from Russia. Warsaw said it would demand an explanation from Moscow.
Polish Defence Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz said Warsaw would continue to support Ukraine both militarily and on the humanitarian side.


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Reply #194 on: March 25, 2024, 03:38:09 pm
Hypersonic missiles in combat action. You can bet the Allied countries are looking very hard at this. It's essential to have "eyes in the air" (E-3 Sentry , E-2C Hawkeye, P-8A Poseidon ) to have any defense reaction time against these.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1772200543840088540?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Russian fascists launched several hypersonic missiles from occupied Crimea. They covered the distance of 580 km to Kyiv in 3 minutes at an estimated speed of 11,600 km/h (7,200mph). Hence the air raid siren system did not turn on in time. Suspected to be Zircon cruise missiles.
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Reply #195 on: March 26, 2024, 12:29:40 am
I am sure Putin will be trying his hardest to invent some Ukranian connection with
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Reply #196 on: March 26, 2024, 01:29:13 am
I am sure Putin will be trying his hardest to invent some Ukranian connection with
the terrorist attack !
i'm almost amused at the notion that anyone cares what the former KGB officer says or thinks.


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Reply #197 on: March 26, 2024, 01:44:49 am
i'm almost amused at the notion that anyone cares what the former KGB officer says or thinks.

Well sort of former, in a weird way the KGB have stuck together and still exist in an informal way, and they were the ones that put Putin in power.




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Reply #199 on: March 27, 2024, 12:08:22 am
i'm almost amused at the notion that anyone cares what the former KGB officer says or thinks.
I know what you mean . The notion that anybody still believes what he says is difficult to understand.


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Reply #200 on: March 27, 2024, 11:55:39 am
I know what you mean . The notion that anybody still believes what he says is difficult to understand.

I don't find it difficult at all.  He and his people are a lite version of what the Kim family has done in N. Korea and Xi in China.  It follows a very predictable pattern.

Step 1: Acquire power by any means necessary. Death squads, cheating in elections, etc.  Anything is allowed because the ends justify the means, and anything is possible as long as one gives one's self the moral authority.  The hubris of thinking that one individual (or group of anointed individuals) know best how others should live their lives knows no bounds.

Step 2: Control the media and the schools.  If you control what information people have access to, you control what they think because they don't know any better.

Step 3: Indoctrinate the kids for a decade or two with the idea that there are victims and oppressors, that the kids are victims (as long as they meet certain demographic / socioeconomic classifications), and the Great Anointed One will save them from the evil oppressors.  Note: said oppressor can be a target demographic group (whites and/or "the rich" in the West), or could be an external enemy (America for N. Korea and China) - either way, the approach and outcome is the same: a populace that buys whatever the leader / media says without any critical thinking getting in the way.

You can tell who has the society's best interests at heart.  If they want to control the flow of information (media / restricting free speech) and control the education of the youth, then you know they don't have the nation's best interests at heart in the long term.  Those who champion the free exchange of ideas, want kids to learn how to think (as opposed to what to think), and encourage liberty - they are the ones who want the nation to thrive. 

It's control, authoritarianism, and collectivism vs liberty, free association, and the ability to make personal choices.

It's easy to see in Russia.  It's been happening since the end of the Cold War.
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Reply #201 on: March 27, 2024, 08:59:59 pm
Yeah I'm with you for sure. I am aghast when minority opinions sculpt Supreme Court decisions, or major media outlets promulgate disproven opinion pieces in lieu of actual news. It would be terrible if judicial and legislative representatives were afraid for their lives due to daily threats from those debunked media driven opinions. It's really sad when fear is openly used to drive a wedge between groups of Americans largely at the bottom of the economic pecking order. Authoritarianism is certainly on the rise in America, promoting disrespect for our political process, lawlessness, control through collective victim-mentality thought & behavior and reducing personal choice for at least 50% of the population. The long-term defunding of public education has dramatically reduced our youth's critical thinking & logical cognition ability.
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Reply #202 on: March 27, 2024, 09:28:05 pm
I heard a news report today saying that a California state legislator has introduced a bill requiring schools to teach children at least one semester before they graduate from high school regarding how to manage their money. It sounded like there was going to be push-back on that idea. One thing big business, banks and credit card companies (and maybe the government too?) don't want is for the public to know how to save and efficiently spend money.  ::)
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Reply #203 on: March 27, 2024, 10:08:16 pm
I presume some people would see that as an infringement of their basic right to do what they please when they please and indoctrinate their children as they see fit.


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Reply #204 on: March 28, 2024, 05:12:53 am
It's likely a cultural thing. People aren't supposed to know or talk about money. Coincidentally this keeps them working cheap and keeps them broke. Kind of a good thing if you are looking for working folks to keep your Company coal town or textile town making record profits. Only a stupid guy would spread the word about dealing with money. Generally the Golden Rule folks don't rewrite the rules to benefit the unwashed masses.

When I was a kid high schools had shop classes, music classes, home ec, civics, foreign languages, etc. All the things that make well rounded citizens. Marginal tax rates were near 90% but we built highways, bridges, paid for schools & not a single millionaire went to bed hungry. The money people rewrote the rulebook to reduce their taxes, conveniently eliminating a lot of "costly" opportunities previously afforded the lesser people. Dumbing down the workforce seems to go hand in glove with lowering corporate costs & jacking up profit.

The only "enemy" here is the time-honored tendency for money to self-protect, accrete and concentrate power over time. Getting the people at the bottom to fight each other over crumbs is just the entertainment. Short term, self-serving thinking is bad for the country. Lack of critical thinking ability is also bad for the country. Creating and living in an alternate woo-woo reality is likewise bad for the country. In the words of Ann Richards "If your hair's white, you can't say you don't know it."  It's really looking like we're going to have an all-hands effort soon, so we all need to be on the same page.



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Reply #205 on: March 28, 2024, 07:34:39 am
ever played "monopoly"? capitalism in a nutshell. one player wins, everyone else loses.


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Reply #206 on: March 28, 2024, 01:02:02 pm
re reply 200. Yes exactly,you sum it up perfectly. I should have said difficult to understand unless you live in Russia and are lied to and misled by the regime.


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Reply #207 on: March 30, 2024, 08:06:43 pm
Gotland island, a strategic location in the Baltic Sea, remilitarises as Sweden joins NATO

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/focus/20240329-sweden-nato-s-newest-member-ends-traditional-stance-of-neutrality
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Reply #208 on: April 09, 2024, 06:04:58 pm
Ukraine war: UN body urges restraint after Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant hit
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68757082
Mr Grossi specified there had been "at least three direct hits" against the plant's "main reactor containment structures".
"This cannot happen," he said. "No one can conceivably benefit or get any military or political advantage from attacks against nuclear facilities. This is a no go."
Both Russia and Ukraine regularly accuse each other of shelling the plant and risking a serious nuclear accident.


https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/nuclear-cloud-will-trigger-natos-article-5-us-warns-russia/
The US Senate has introduced a resolution which proposes that the actions of Russia, Belarus “or proxy of Russia” be considered as an attack on NATO, if their actions lead to radioactive contamination of the allies’ territory.
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Reply #209 on: April 09, 2024, 06:19:32 pm
ever played "monopoly"? capitalism in a nutshell. one player wins, everyone else loses.

With one major exception: in Monopoly, there is a limmited supply to compete for.  In the real world, there is no limited supply.  There's always new ideas, new products, people selling property / business interests, etc.  There's not a shortage as there is in Monopoly.

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Reply #210 on: April 09, 2024, 08:39:13 pm
I'm thinking that with a world population of 8,000,000,000 we're running out of "winner" opportunities. Even the basics (safe place to sleep, clean water to drink, enough food to eat) get more remote everyday for a significant percentage.

This happened in 1600's Europe when lots of folks sold everything & got on a leaky 80' wood boat to show up over here in "North America". No trip guarantees either. In 2024 there is a real shortage of new "North Americas" to go to. For the Indians/First Peoples it likely looked like THEY needed a border wall.  ::)

The Ponzi scheme unlimited growth model only applies to initial conditions. We're reaching the carrying capacity of the range. "Natures reset" isn't a very pleasant process. It can work out, but only if we apply what we know honestly. Looks to me that as a species we for some reason prefer the "crash 'n burn" solution game animals employ. What a waste of a 3.5 pound brain...
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Reply #211 on: April 09, 2024, 10:48:12 pm
welcome to elonia! bask under the twin moons in paradise where there is no war, no crime, no pollution, no commoners, no annoying choices to be made, while all your desires are met by our specially programmed AI-Droids!


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Reply #212 on: April 09, 2024, 11:33:13 pm
Elonia lacks ambiance IMHO. Also much of an atmosphere. Watching Fear & Dread (Phobos & Deimos) careen across an indigo sky suffused with red dust is insufficient reason to live where a minor suit puncture results in your becoming a foamy red corpse-sickle. The 62% weight reduction is an insufficient tradeoff. Much more terraforming will be necessary before I buy a ticket. 8)

" At ground level the Martian atmosphere has a pressure of 6.518 millibars or 0.095 psi as compared to the Earth's sea level atmospheric pressure of 14.7 psi. "  "Boiling point of water at 0.095 PSI = 32.9 degrees F..."
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Reply #213 on: April 10, 2024, 04:46:47 am
and fewer serfs to lord it over. :-\


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Reply #214 on: April 10, 2024, 09:24:38 am
I think Elon was channeling Heinlein from the 1950's when he contemplated colony ships. Science marches on, lots cheaper & easier ways to commit suicide nowadays...

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Reply #215 on: April 13, 2024, 12:48:09 am
We are firmly in the future, directed energy weapons are officially on the battlefield. A live fire exercise for the UK. If it can hit a coin from 1 klick, aircraft and armour are on the menu as well. With such modest power requirements, airborne lasers are a certainty. "Puff the magic dragon" for 2024, likely in a C130.
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DragonFire: UK laser could be used against Russian drones on Ukraine front line

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68795603

A UK high-power laser weapon could be sent to Ukraine to take down Russian drones, the defence secretary says.
According to Grant Shapps, the weapon could have "huge ramifications" for the conflict in Europe.
The DragonFire weapon is expected to be rolled out by 2027, but Mr Shapps said he wanted to "speed up" production and make it available sooner.
It follows a successful trial of the laser, carried out against an aerial target for the first time in January.
The laser was originally expected to be operational by 2032, but new reforms intended to speed up government procurement of weapons mean that it will now be ready five years earlier.
Despite this, the defence secretary told reporters while on a visit to Porton Down military research centre near Salisbury that he wanted to speed this up even further.
"Let's say that it didn't have to be 100% perfect in order for Ukrainians perhaps to get their hands on it," he said.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) says the faster timetable comes in response to the "rapidly changing threat environment" faced by the UK.The weapon is precise enough to hit a £1 coin from a kilometre away, according to the MoD. It is hoped that it will pave the way for a low-cost alternative to missiles, to shoot down targets such as drones.
January's successful test of the weapon was carried out at the MoD's Hebrides Range in Scotland and was hailed as a "major step" in bringing laser-directed energy weapons (LDEWs) into service.
The greatest advantage of lasers is cost and, in theory, an "unlimited magazine" of ammunition - as long as there is a reliable source of power. But the big drawback is that they can only fire at targets in the line of sight, unlike most missiles.
The US has been testing directed-energy weapons for decades. They have been fitted on to several warships for trials and evaluation.


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Reply #216 on: April 13, 2024, 08:18:32 am
We shall see. Not all new tech ends up as good as it first appears.

Look up the history of the Royal navies K Class high speed steam powered submarines (yep seriously) for a classic example :D


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Reply #217 on: April 13, 2024, 12:35:48 pm
high speed steam powered submarines
i want!


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Reply #218 on: April 13, 2024, 03:35:25 pm
Early-days submarine. Steam turbine & battery. Time to dive often ran 20-30 minutes. 330' long, max depth rated 200'. Lots of lessons in what not to do, learned the hard way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_K-class_submarine

http://rnsubs.co.uk/boats/subs/k-class.html

https://www.westernfrontassociation.com/world-war-i-articles/the-battle-of-may-island-january-1917-and-k-class-submarines-of-the-first-world-war/

30 years ago I saw an ad for a 275' US Fleet Submarine in Florida, $250,000. Coulda shoulda woulda...?

A Rooskie Typhoon-Class boat, make offer?  ;D
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Reply #219 on: April 13, 2024, 05:21:38 pm
Sticking with the naval theme, I really enjoyed this historical video regarding the American "Great White Fleet" and its trip around the World. It contains lots of funny dead-pan comments by the historian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbV3qRIh-ro&t=3s
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Reply #220 on: April 22, 2024, 05:34:40 pm
It's deja vu all over again...yet more marching orders?;D

Steve Rosenberg: Russia defiant over new US aid to Ukraine
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68874019
A good rule of thumb since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine has been that what is good for Kyiv is bad for Moscow.
Last Saturday brought good news for the Ukrainian government. The US House of Representatives voted in favour of a $61bn (£49bn) aid package for Kyiv, which will be used to arm its military.
The House also approved a bill that will allow the seizure and transfer to Ukraine of Russian assets frozen in America. The bills now move to the Senate for approval.
Unsurprisingly, this did not go down well in Moscow.
Hawkish former President Dmitry Medvedev condemned the "61 billion bloody dollars". He called for a new American Civil War that "would finally lead to the inglorious break up of the 21st Century's evil empire, the United States of America".


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Maybe this guy needs to address to the US House of Representatives. But at least ONE member has belatedly figured it out. ::)

After their PM halts Ukraine aid, Slovaks dig deep to help ; 20 April 2024
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68843542
A crowdfunding campaign in Slovakia to buy artillery shells for Ukraine has exceeded its target of €1m (£850,000), less than 48 hours after it was launched.
The campaign is a response to the Slovak cabinet's refusal to join an initiative by the Czech government to buy up hundreds of thousands of shells for the Ukrainian armed forces.
"We have to drive Putin out of Ukraine. We have to defeat him," said Otto Simko, a Holocaust survivor and veteran of the 1944 Slovak National Uprising against the Nazis. Aged 99, he helped kickstart the campaign to challenge the government's policy.
"I lived through the Second World War. I fought in it. I can tell you there was no point negotiating with Hitler and there is no point negotiating with Putin," Simko told the BBC from Bratislava.
It was a random conversation the Slovak veteran had with a journalist and a philosopher that led to the idea of crowdfunding Slovak help for Kyiv.


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A look at what’s in the $95 billion foreign aid package passed by the House

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-aid-israel-gaza-taiwan-c0645ad3f47f9d919c8988a98593e887

About $61 billion for Ukraine and replenishing U.S. weapons stockpiles
About $26 billion for supporting Israel and providing humanitarian relief for people in Gaza.
About $8 billion for helping U.S. allies in the Indo-Pacific region and countering China.






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Reply #221 on: April 22, 2024, 09:22:33 pm
These Energy Weapons create a shockwave within the target by the rapid conversion of casing solid metal to gas. The high temps then proceed to mechanically weaken/disrupt the device shell, leading to rapid unscheduled disassembly. I think we saw the similar Israeli Iron Beam weapon in action a week ago when they were attacked.
Ukraine’s Air Force expresses interest in DragonFire laser weapon system ; 13 April 2024
https://au.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-air-force-expresses-interest-140000540.html
Inside DragonFire
DragonFire, a laser weapon capable of neutralizing drones and missiles, operates invisibly and silently. Its light wavelength, roughly one micron, eludes human vision and aligns closely with the infrared light spectrum.
With the ability to travel at light speed and an undisclosed range, DragonFire can instantaneously heat a metal surface to 3000C (5400F), creating plasma and penetrating aircraft fuselages and weapon casings within seconds.


UK company upgrades Ukrainian drones to resist Russian EW (Electronic Warfare); March 27, 2024,
https://english.nv.ua/nation/uk-company-upgrades-ukrainian-drones-to-resist-russian-ew-50404960.html


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Reply #222 on: April 22, 2024, 10:04:05 pm
i love tech and warfare has always driven tech advances since at least the bronze age. i wonder if it's nature or nurture that makes some of us vicious brutes?


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Reply #223 on: April 22, 2024, 10:18:05 pm
'Hawkish former President Dmitry Medvedev condemned the "61 billion bloody dollars". He called for a new American Civil War that "would finally lead to the inglorious break up of the 21st Century's evil empire, the United States of America".'
Funny that, we think that about the Russian regime- the evil empire as President Reagan called it.



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Reply #224 on: April 23, 2024, 12:11:10 am
i'm not especially interested in what some russian thinks, general or not. but in that vein, i think it's time for russia to have another revolution of their own. unfortunately, they have centuries of experience with despots and tyrants, and next to no experience with democracy. so i doubt it will work out well for them. what a shame.


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Reply #225 on: April 23, 2024, 03:07:59 pm
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Improved machinery for accurately boring cannon barrels also allowed the production of better quality cylinders for early steam engines. Not everything from the military-industrial complex is for destruction and bloody piles of corpses, we get some essential things and fun stuff too.

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I suggest it's a bit of both.

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Reply #226 on: April 23, 2024, 03:21:03 pm
Improved machinery for accurately boring cannon barrels also allowed the production of better quality cylinders for early steam engines. Not everything from the military-industrial complex is for destruction and bloody piles of corpses, we get some essential things and fun stuff too.

I suggest it's a bit of both.

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Good point, very many significant improvements to the IC engine were driven first by military necessity, think innovations in WWI and WWII aircraft engines, before making their way into general use. Of course, so was Tang, but that's another issue. ::)


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Reply #227 on: April 23, 2024, 03:37:00 pm
Good point, very many significant improvements to the IC engine were driven first by military necessity, think innovations in WWI and WWII aircraft engines, before making their way into general use. Of course, so was Tang, but that's another issue. ::)
While the military did contribute to primarily large engine development, automobiles including race cars saw the majority of engine development. Superchargers, 4 valve heads, overhead cams and dual spark plugs were first introduced in automotive applications prior to WW1.


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Reply #228 on: April 23, 2024, 03:43:57 pm
Aluminium! 4000% production increase 1900 - 1954. Now THAT's an increase in production! Once again warfare drives technology...stick...rock...stick with heavy/sharp rock attached(club)...stick throwing another stick (atlatl dart)...atlatl dart guided by bird plumage...stick and string throwing another plumage guided stick (bow)...and now energy weapons. ;D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aluminium
Aluminium was difficult to refine and thus uncommon in actual use. Soon after its discovery, the price of aluminium exceeded that of gold. It was reduced only after the initiation of the first industrial production by French chemist Henri Étienne Sainte-Claire Deville in 1856. Aluminium became much more available to the public with the Hall–Héroult process developed independently by French engineer Paul Héroult and American engineer Charles Martin Hall in 1886, and the Bayer process developed by Austrian chemist Carl Joseph Bayer in 1889. These processes have been used for aluminium production up to the present.

The introduction of these methods for the mass production of aluminium led to extensive use of the light, corrosion-resistant metal in industry and everyday life. Aluminium began to be used in engineering and construction. In World Wars I and II, aluminium was a crucial strategic resource for aviation. World production of the metal grew from 6,800 metric tons in 1900 to 2,810,000 metric tons in 1954, when aluminium became the most produced non-ferrous metal, surpassing copper.



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Reply #229 on: April 23, 2024, 03:56:34 pm
@ # 227: Auto racing the 1930's was used by Germany and others to develop & showcase their aviation engines. Insanely powerful engines were used to race on tires little better than pencil erasers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zji_woRTls

https://automobilist.com/en-us/blogs/stories/1930s-supercharged-for-the-future

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Reply #230 on: April 23, 2024, 04:00:25 pm
While the military did contribute to primarily large engine development, automobiles including race cars saw the majority of engine development. Superchargers, 4 valve heads, overhead cams and dual spark plugs were first introduced in automotive applications prior to WW1.

Absolutely true, "win on Sunday, sell on Monday." At the bottom, in my opinion most of the significant improvements in engine development have been enthusiast driven.

FWIW I'm a member of the Connecticut Antique Machinery Club, some members have IC engine powered equipment dating back to the 1890's, I'm always amazed at the technology that was employed in some of those early efforts. Unfortunately, it was often sidelined due to cost or manufacturing issues only to be "reinvented" once those issues were resolved.


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Reply #231 on: April 23, 2024, 06:00:03 pm
"necessity is a mother"


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Reply #232 on: April 23, 2024, 09:58:33 pm
Racing and war are similar in that in both cases you are pushing the limits of contemporary engineering.


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Reply #233 on: April 24, 2024, 04:24:22 pm
The GOPPPW suffers a setback... :o

War in Ukraine: US to send new aid this week, Biden says ; 24 April 2024

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68885868

US President Joe Biden says his country will start sending fresh weapons and equipment to Ukraine within days.
Late on Tuesday, the US Senate approved a $95bn (£76bn) foreign aid package that includes military support for Israel and Taiwan as well as Ukraine.
Mr Biden vowed to sign it off "as soon as it reaches my desk" on Wednesday, so that aid can be sent "this week".
Ukraine has recently stepped up its calls for Western assistance as Russia makes steady gains in its invasion.
Included in the package is $61bn in military aid for Ukraine. It passed the Senate in a bipartisan vote of 79-18.
Tuesday evening's approval came after the measure passed the US House of Representatives on Saturday.
Mr Biden hailed its passage in a statement, calling it "critical legislation [that] will make our nation and world more secure as we support our friends who are defending themselves against terrorists like Hamas and tyrants like [Russian President Vladimir] Putin".
Democratic Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said: "After more than six months of hard work and many twists and turns in the road, America sends a message to the entire world: we will not turn our back on you."
Reacting to the vote, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said it "reinforces America's role as a beacon of democracy and leader of the free world".
The Senate passed a similar aid package in February, but a group of conservatives who oppose new Ukraine support had prevented it from coming to a vote in the House of Representatives.
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Reply #234 on: April 24, 2024, 10:28:10 pm
Putin and his cronies are not happy.  ;D
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Reply #235 on: April 25, 2024, 05:41:01 pm
Tide may be turning!   :)

Ukraine war: Kyiv uses longer-range US missiles for first time ; 25 April 2024
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68893196
Ukraine has begun using longer-range ballistic missiles against Russia that were secretly provided by the US, American officials have confirmed.
The weapons were sent as part of a previous US support package, and arrived this month. Officials said they were not announced publicly to maintain Ukraine's "operational security".
They have already been used at least once to strike Russian targets in occupied Crimea.
Further US aid is now heading to Kyiv.
More American weaponry is expected to be sent imminently, after President Joe Biden signed off on Wednesday a new package of economic and military support for Ukraine worth $61bn (£49bn).
The missiles that have already been quietly provided are the longer-range version of the Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS), a state department spokesman confirmed on Wednesday.
The US previously supplied Ukraine with a mid-range version of the ATACMS, but had resisted sending anything more powerful, partly over concerns about compromising US military readiness.
Officials were also concerned that the Ukrainians could use the weaponry to strike inside Russian territory, causing the conflict to escalate, according to NBC, which first reported the news.
The Ukrainians have long called for the systems, which can fire missiles up to 300km (186 miles). Mr Biden is said to have secretly given the green light in February.

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Reply #236 on: April 25, 2024, 07:36:18 pm
Thankfully this could NEVER happen here... ::)

German lawmakers assail far-right party over alleged China, Russia links following spying arrest ; April 25, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/germany-far-right-afd-parliament-china-russia-9d837d9b14edc6edcaec421b0ac7ac60
The German government and opposition lawmakers assailed the far-right Alternative for Germany for its alleged closeness to Russia and China Thursday after an assistant to a legislator for the party was arrested on suspicion of spying for Beijing.
This week’s arrest of an aide to European Parliament lawmaker Maximilian Krah cast an unflattering light on the Alternative for Germany, or AfD, which has long faced criticism for Russia-friendly positions. Krah said he would dismiss the employee, Jian Guo, but remain the AfD’s top candidate for the European Parliament election in June.
One reason why Germany is a focus of Russian and Chinese spying is “the existence of a right-wing extremist party ... that is prepared eagerly to take up every narrative from China and Russia and spread it,” Konstantin Kuhle of the Free Democrats, one of the parties in the coalition government, told a debate in the German parliament in which mainstream lawmakers lined up to criticize the AfD. “So one must say very clearly: AfD is a weak point in German democracy when it comes to our defense of our liberal democracy.”
A lawmaker with the conservative opposition Christian Democrats, Marc Henrichmann, accused the AfD of “betraying and selling out the German people.” He referred to recent allegations involving the party as “Russia today, China tomorrow.”
AfD lawmaker Stefan Keuter accused mainstream politicians of trying to “distract from your own political failure” with help from security services, portraying his party as the victim of a campaign. “Why is this issue popping up now, at the time of an election campaign? That’s very obvious,” he said.


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