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Reply #315 on: December 19, 2021, 02:06:04 pm
I should mention that ever since Zero redesigned their electric motors about 5 years ago to an "internal permanent magnet" design  to make them more resistant to overheating, they have wanted the owners of their bikes to return to their dealers every 8K miles to have their motors "commissioned". I think that involves the use of a magic wand.   ;D
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Reply #316 on: December 19, 2021, 08:19:22 pm
Zero bikes are not worth the money.
20 grand for a bike that can't do more than 100 miles.


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Reply #317 on: December 19, 2021, 10:22:54 pm
Zero bikes are not worth the money.
20 grand for a bike that can't do more than 100 miles.

They are perfect commute motorcycles where you are traveling a fixed distance every day. If your employer provides free EV charging, that is useful plus. And don't forget, they require almost no maintenance, except for chassis wear items, like tires and an occasional set of brake pads.  ;) That can save a lot of money in the long run if you typically take your bike to a dealer for servicing.
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Reply #318 on: December 20, 2021, 09:56:02 am
As for me if I was to put down 20 grand for a two wheeler I may as well take some fat ars couch like a HD or the R18, atealst in 10-20 years it´s going to have still a value almost unchanged to today if not greater considering the destruction the retards in davos are driving forward. Your "high voltage" horse is worthless the day the the battery needs replacement. Better flush the cash of folks like Schwab or Gates down the toilet, everyone would be better off.


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Reply #319 on: December 20, 2021, 02:28:20 pm
As for me if I was to put down 20 grand for a two wheeler I may as well take some fat ars couch like a HD or the R18, atealst in 10-20 years it´s going to have still a value almost unchanged to today if not greater considering the destruction the retards in davos are driving forward. Your "high voltage" horse is worthless the day the the battery needs replacement. Better flush the cash of folks like Schwab or Gates down the toilet, everyone would be better off.

I have yet to hear of anyone needing a battery replacement due to long usage of a Zero. The battery packs that I have heard being replaced by Zero owners were always done at Zero's cost during their 5-year warranty because of factory assembly, battery cell, or BMS defects.

I have the largest battery pack available (16.6 kWh nominal) when I bought my current Zero in 2018. At the time Zero claimed that the pack would last for 380,000 miles before reaching 80% of its original capacity. When was the last time anyone here kept a motorcycle for that long? (Frankly, I doubt that the Zero chassis would last much past 100K before needing replacement of  every one of it moving parts - including the motor.) BTW, my daughter is riding my old 2014 Zero and it still runs as well after 8 years and has as long a range as it did when new.

However, I do agree that the current electric freeway-legal motorcycles are still too expensive, especially as the "major" brands in the U.S., Zero, Energica and LiveWireOne, all cost too much for what you get as these manufacturers are focused on the high end of the market in order to push both the technology, their performance claims and their profits. However, Zero does have a model that sells for around $10K, which with the 10% federal IRS income tax credit and hundreds of dollars of rebates by a few states, like California, does get its price, if not its performance, into the 600cc gas-powered motorcycle price range. It would be helpful if the U.S. electric motorcycle manufacturers would offer more "budget" EVs to the market.

What is odd is why the Chinese, that sell millions of electric motorbikes and scooters every year haven't bothered to enter the North American market. Maybe they are happy to just sell electric bicycles here and avoid the cost of setting up dealerships, supply, service and other issues that go along with selling highway-legal vehicles here.  ???
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Reply #320 on: December 20, 2021, 04:51:39 pm
How and why does it seem desirable to flush other people's maney into the sewer?
Firstly, Gates and Schwab might disagree to the process.
Secondly it would clog the toilet with cotton fiber paper.
Thirdly, battery service life well exceeds that of a clogged toilet.
Fourth, Harleys clog the resale market but electrics don't.
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Reply #321 on: December 20, 2021, 05:32:51 pm
How many old Honda C90 or CG125's can I get for £20'000?
No wonder we no longer have a motor industry


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Reply #322 on: December 20, 2021, 07:53:42 pm
How and why does it seem desirable to flush other people's maney into the sewer?
Firstly, Gates and Schwab might disagree to the process.
Secondly it would clog the toilet with cotton fiber paper.
Thirdly, battery service life well exceeds that of a clogged toilet.
Fourth, Harleys clog the resale market but electrics don't.

That's some interesting points.

Firstly, to slow down the growth in undesirable markets. Secondly the toilet seems already clogged.

I'm in agreements with three and four.


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Reply #323 on: December 20, 2021, 10:29:25 pm
Meanwhile, Ducati is testing an electric racing motorcycle prototype for use when Energica quits the MotoE competition at the end of next year.  When Ducati finally markets an electric street bike, how much do you think that will set you back?  ::)
https://www.motorcycle.com/features/ducati-motoe-prototype-electric-racebike-makes-public-testing-debut.html
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Reply #324 on: December 21, 2021, 12:39:35 am
....but think of the Glory.... ;D ;D ;D

I'll just tow it behind my new Taycan on its platinum trailer.
https://www.truecar.com/porsche/taycan/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/towing.318/
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Reply #325 on: December 21, 2021, 02:50:43 am
Stark VARG: the world's fastest motocross bike is now electric

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozEEvlgtTPE
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Reply #326 on: December 21, 2021, 07:49:10 am
Stark VARG: the world's fastest motocross bike is now electric

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozEEvlgtTPE

Interesting, they might be making up some of the figures however it seems well engineered and it looks good too. The phone and all the settings might be annoying, i would need only one setting, a well hidden button that downgrades it to the speeds of an electric bicycle so i don't have to bother with any regs at all and can offer the government agent a test ride.

I always wanterd to ride under water.  ::)
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Reply #327 on: December 21, 2021, 02:49:22 pm
And now we have the German eROCKIT motorbike. Is is a bird, is it a plane, a rocking chair?, no it is an electric ROCKIT with pedals and they are looking for investors so that they can make more eROCKITS: https://thepack.news/electric-vehicle-manufacturer-erockit-is-preparing-for-the-future/
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Reply #328 on: December 21, 2021, 04:36:04 pm
And now we have the German eROCKIT motorbike. Is is a bird, is it a plane, a rocking chair?, no it is an electric ROCKIT with pedals and they are looking for investors so that they can make more eROCKITS: https://thepack.news/electric-vehicle-manufacturer-erockit-is-preparing-for-the-future/

Looks like something i wouldn't put a cent into, unlike the swedish wolf which is too good to be true.Would love to see that, with such specs it's got to take over the world and it's a bargain too.
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Reply #329 on: December 21, 2021, 06:59:08 pm
....but think of the Glory.... ;D ;D ;D

I'll just tow it behind my new Taycan on its platinum trailer.
https://www.truecar.com/porsche/taycan/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/towing.318/

Surprisingly that Porsche looks actually too cheap for being a Porsche with 81k$, some no name brands sell at about same or higher cost in that category.