[AzCal Retred]

https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/cars/electric-cars-how-charge-them-how-much-it-costs-and-how-long-it-takes-2900371
" In Scotland, ChargePlace Scotland offers unlimited free public charging for a flat £20 annual payment. "

https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/service/electric-vehicles-and-chargeplace-scotland/
" the average electric vehicle (EV) will cost around 3-5p a mile to run, compared to 16-18p a mile for the average conventional vehicle fuel cost "

...and something for the EV disaffected...
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/plug-in-pay-out-give-updrivers-say-cost-is-the-biggest-barrier-to-opting-for-a-zero-emissions-car/


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[axman88]

You think gas prices are high? Check out the kWh prices on this charging station somewhere in Scotland. Two pounds per kWh for the first 3 hours and then 10 pounds per kWh after three hours.   I thought I had high electric power costs at home at 26 cents per kWh.

One wonders if that is a Scotsman's attempt at a humorous meme?  I know it's not allowed to make these sorts of jokes any more, but aren't those folks known for their frugality?

This article, published about a year ago, suggests prices that are quite a bit more reasonable, and has some traceable provenance:  https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/cars/electric-cars-how-charge-them-how-much-it-costs-and-how-long-it-takes-2900371

[GlennF]

I know it's not allowed to make these sorts of jokes any more, but aren't those folks known for their frugality?

The dour frugal Scot stereotype has a religious base. The Scottish Presbyterian Church was Calvinist and to some extent followed supralapsarianism, the belief that the "chosen" who will eventually be saved are predestined for salvation.  In terms of this belief you cannot actually know for sure you are among the chosen however there are certain sure signs you are NOT for example a lavish lifestyle is a sure sign you are not chosen.

[axman88]

The dour frugal Scot stereotype has a religious base. The Scottish Presbyterian Church was Calvinist and to some extent followed supralapsarianism, the belief that the "chosen" who will eventually be saved are predestined for salvation.  In terms of this belief you cannot actually know for sure you are among the chosen however there are certain sure signs you are NOT for example a lavish lifestyle is a sure sign you are not chosen.

That's interesting.  So, would you consider this the diametric opposite of "Prosperity Theology",  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

 or, were supralapsarians encouraged to accumulate wealth as long as they saved their money, and did not spend conspicuously?

[GlennF]

That's interesting.  So, would you consider this the diametric opposite of "Prosperity Theology",  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

 or, were supralapsarians encouraged to accumulate wealth as long as they saved their money, and did not spend conspicuously?

There are even claims it drove the Industrial Revolution.  Calvinist/Supralapsarian views combined with the Protestant Work Ethic meant people were working hard and making money but were left with with no acceptable way to spend that money as a Calvinist, other than reinvest it back into their business, or possibly start a new one.  Upgrading to a lavish personal house or country estate was frowned upon, building new cargo ships, and creating new shops and factories with your money was not.

[Arschloch]

That's a ludicrous economic theory to say the least.

[GlennF]

That's a ludicrous economic theory to say the least.

Maybe (though it is more Sociology than Economics) I personally do not necessarily support it but it has been around for a long while.   

Max Weber in Die protestantische Ethik und der Geist des Kapitalismus talked about it as early as 1904.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism

The idea still has some academic credibility even today: 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316747686_Calvinism_Huguenots_and_the_Industrial_Revolution

Weber's ideas were seem as a direct counter to Marx's claim that only economics could form a basis for social change.

[Arschloch]

And I thought capitalism has been there in the old Egypt already since the Pharao has been advised by Joseph to overproduce and save little bit for the rainy day.

Lot of rainy days recently in Germany, fortunately the infrastructure is not yet entirely electric since the areas hit are without electric power. Diesel trucks come for the rescue.

[Nitrowing]

Lot of rainy days recently in Germany, fortunately the infrastructure is not yet entirely electric since the areas hit are without electric power. Diesel trucks come for the rescue.

I was just thinking that while watching the news. Is an EV going ti cope with being drowned? An ICE just usually needs it's plugs taken out and spun over. Even if the EV does cope, will the chargers still be functional?

[Arschloch]

Someone will come up with a solution, i'm sure.

[Richard230]

Someone will come up with a solution, i'm sure.

Such as hot air power emanating from politicians?  Surely an exhaustible resource. 

[Nitrowing]

I'm going right off EV's... 
https://hackaday.com/2021/07/16/repair-hack-saves-tesla-owner-from-massive-bill/

[Richard230]

I should have typed an "inexhaustible" supply of hot air.   

[Arschloch]

I should have typed an "inexhaustible" supply of hot air.   

Well you can open a shop than and sell fresh air in a can. 

[axman88]

I'm going right off EV's... 
https://hackaday.com/2021/07/16/repair-hack-saves-tesla-owner-from-massive-bill/

Being as they choose affiliation with Royal Enfield, I'm guessing that most members of this forum support Right to Repair as a concept.  I've read that the EU has passed and is considering strengthening laws requiring manufacturers to supply spare parts and repair information for a period of up to 10 years on appliances and electronics.

And, just a week ago, as part of Executive Order 14036, "Promoting Competition in the American Economy", among other stipulations, President Biden instructed the FTC to craft rules to prevent manufacturers from preventing repairs performed by owners.  This seems like a step in the right direction.  Do you guys remember Sam's Photofact?