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Reply #30 on: December 13, 2020, 07:25:33 pm
Thanks for that! Never saw a "Goose" in the USA. Too practical I think for our crazy market segment... :(
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/suzu/suzuki_goose_350.htm

This may be the closest similar US available "old" machine today, about $4500. 5 speed, 25ish HP, 350 pounds.
https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/genuine/2019-genuine-g400c-review.html

The Yamaha R3 is about $5K with 36 HP, 370 pounds and a 6 speed.
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/buyers-guide/2020-yamaha-yzf-r3/

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Reply #31 on: December 13, 2020, 09:13:07 pm
Although it's a twin (stop spitting  ;D ) the MT-03 https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2021-Yamaha-MT-03-5014786294 is one I seriously considered along with my most recommended beginners bike, the SV650.
I also considered the Kwak W650 (the 800 is too expensive and big) but if pushed, I'd go for the KTM RC390 - it's small, lightweight, single cylinder and has a modicum of performance.

If the H'ness arrives in the UK in large numbers, I'd probably swap put my Electra-X for a decent used one.

That G400 does look cool though!
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Reply #32 on: January 24, 2021, 08:54:01 pm
This article directly compares December 2020 sales of the H'ness CB350 to the various Royal Enfield 350cc models:

https://www.rushlane.com/350cc-motorcycle-sales-dec-2020-12390920.html

Honda CB350     1564 units
RE Meteor 350    8569
RE Classic 350  39,321
RE Bullet 350   10,480
RE Electra 350    3490

Those who said that the more advanced H'Ness and/or Meteor, will crush the older, pushrod engine equipped models in sales, will have to be patient.   It appears that the India market is a very conservative one.

I do find it interesting that the Classic outsells the Bullet by an increasing margin.  The Bullet is priced almost 25% lower.  If the relatively sales of UCE 350 vs H'ness and Meteor  were to be motivated solely by price, one would expect the Bullet to outsell the Classic.  I'm having difficulty finding sales vs model breakdowns from years past, but I seem to recall the Bullet / Classic sales numbers being much closer when I first started looking at these figures a few years ago.

The one place that the Honda H'ness is outselling the RE 350s is in the export market, but these numbers are quite small, compared to RE's domestic sales:

Honda H'ness 350     510 units
RE Classic + Meteor  332


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Reply #33 on: April 11, 2021, 05:06:29 am
The 290 to 400cc market segment has a lot of players in India.  Here are some of the major alternatives that a RE Meteor 350 buyer can consider before they buy:

   Make                              CC    Power   Torque     Weight    Wheelbase   Price
Royal Enfield Meteor           349   20.1 hp  19.9 ft-lb  420.2 lb  55.1 inch  1.84 lahk
Royal Enfield UCE Classic    346    19.1       20.6         429         54.7        1.72
Honda H'ness CB350          348    20.7       22.1         399         56.7        1.86
Jawa 42                            293    26.9       19.9         378         53.9        1.84
Benelli Imperiale 400         374    20.7       21.4         410         56.7        1.89

These are only the classic, or retro styled bikes in the segment, there are many more in the same power/ capacity range if one considers more modern styles like the KTM Duke 250, and the Yamaha YZF R15.

All the machines in the list above have single cylinder engines.  All except the Jawa have long strokes and 5 speed transmissions.  All have ABS brakes.

Another thing almost every one of these bikes share in common, are that they are not sold in the USA.  As it enters, the RE Meteor will find itself in a market segment with very few contenders.


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Reply #34 on: April 15, 2021, 06:34:20 pm
Uh.....I'll take the Honda.  That thing is glorious looking, plus it's a Honda!  Probably has much smaller maintenance intervals, etc. etc.

I'm sure Royal Enfield is hoping they don't bring that to the US; and i'm sure Honda is keeping an eye on the Meteor to see how it sells.

I was checking the Honda website; not really much in the "classics" category that they sell, like nothing; which is their loss because their certainly is a market in the US.   A couple of scooters with the retro look but no real motorcycles in the classic/standard category.  Just a few ugly cruisers.
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Reply #35 on: April 15, 2021, 11:20:54 pm
CB500X - a little Buck Rogers, but a nice "adventure bike" effort at 430 pounds and 50 HP. A mere $7000...

https://www.hondaprokevin.com/2021-honda-cb500x-abs-review-specs
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Reply #36 on: April 25, 2021, 09:28:25 pm
Nobody has mentioned what potential, or not, the Himalayan has to get through ever tighter emissions standards.
Also when you make as many units as RE what is more important is how easy and quick and cheap it is to build the motor, not trying to save  costs by modifying an existing design


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Reply #37 on: April 26, 2021, 05:32:27 pm
It's encouraging to see the Meteor gaining ground in India against it's biggest competitor in the segment, which is the Royal Enfield Classic 350 UCE, along with the Bullet and Electra 350 UCEs.

Comparing the sales numbers from March to those from last December, we see the Meteor gaining a bit of ground on the UCE machines:

                            All RE 350 UCE         RE Meteor 350    (% of total RE 350)
December  2020        54,679                      8,569       (13%)
March 2021               46,301                    10,596       (18%)

Although the acceptance of Meteor is apparently increasing, the average India buyer still seems to prefer the UCE 350 machines at better than a 4:1 ratio.

We know from the India Moto press that release of a "J" (OHC 350) engined version of the Classic 350 is imminent.  It seems reasonable to expect that this will replace the UCE version.  We've also heard about the upcoming "Hunter 350", which is to be a sportier cafe / scrambler styled OHC 350.  I wonder how RE expects to handle the transition from UCE to  "J" engine.  Let's hope they don't handle it like HD did when they introduced their Revolution engine in the V-Rod, or like Coca Cola did when they introduced "new Coke".

Seems to me like a good opportunity to start raising the price of the UCE models, while introducing the J engine versions at lower margins and let demand curve economics manage the most difficult bits of customer relations.

If RE engineers have done their job well, the "J" engines, even with more performance and superior technology, should be less expensive to manufacture than UCEs anyway, due to lower labor content.