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GSS

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on: September 05, 2021, 03:59:09 am
I had previously reported that rotating the gear shaft lever forward by one notch had led to the horizontal linkage interfering with the footrest mount….and Dexter confirmed this on his bike as well. I even purchased a generic adjustable aluminum linkage just to prove to myself that it wouldn’t work either :)

Finally the solution became crystal clear…..simply drill another hole in the highly robust shifter arm. I centered the hole 8 mm above the lower edge of the arm, and 7 mm back from the rear edge of the OEM hole.  Drilled a pilot hole first and then upsized with a 1/4” drill bit (6.35 mm) to match the original hole.

End result after 15 minutes is that the shifter is turned up by about 7-8 degrees. Zero interference with the footrest mount with lots of clearance. If someone wants a bit more rotation, then you could potentially go a tiny bit further back than 7 mm.

Others may wish to wait for OEM or aftermarket solutions due to whatever warranty or safety regulations you have in your markets. For my personal application, there seems to be no impact on structural integrity, and the mechanical advantage of the shifter is virtually unchanged. The modification is also easily reversible by popping the linkage back into the original hole.
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Reply #1 on: September 05, 2021, 09:25:35 am
Did you measure the height of the end of the gear lever before and after you did the mod. You have said it went up about 7-8 degrees but I was wondering how much it raised the pedal in mm. I might try that mod thanks.


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Reply #2 on: September 05, 2021, 02:48:31 pm
I didn’t measure the height.….had my driveshaft angle measurement tool at arms length and did an approximate pre-post look. If I get time I will try to measure the height difference with both holes and report back.

Primary consideration was that I kept the hole close enough to the original hole to avoid changing the geometry, low enough to avoid the linkage hitting the footrest mount, and ensuring that there was enough metal around the new hole for full structural integrity. Thanks.
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Reply #3 on: September 05, 2021, 04:14:06 pm
I had previously reported that rotating the gear shaft lever forward by one notch had led to the horizontal linkage interfering with the footrest mount….and Dexter confirmed this on his bike as well. I even purchased a generic adjustable aluminum linkage just to prove to myself that it wouldn’t work either :)

Finally the solution became crystal clear…..simply drill another hole in the highly robust shifter arm. I centered the hole 8 mm above the lower edge of the arm, and 7 mm back from the rear edge of the OEM hole.  Drilled a pilot hole first and then upsized with a 1/4” drill bit (6.35 mm) to match the original hole.

End result after 15 minutes is that the shifter is turned up by about 7-8 degrees. Zero interference with the footrest mount with lots of clearance. If someone wants a bit more rotation, then you could potentially go a tiny bit further back than 7 mm.

Others may wish to wait for OEM or aftermarket solutions due to whatever warranty or safety regulations you have in your markets. For my personal application, there seems to be no impact on structural integrity, and the mechanical advantage of the shifter is virtually unchanged. The modification is also easily reversible by popping the linkage back into the original hole.

A brilliant solution, but I have two questions.

First, you and I both know that our original thought of simply rotating the arm on the splined shaft by one spline did raise the toe pedal to a perfect height for toe upshifts. In the OEM position on the splines, it was virtually impossible to bend one's foot down sufficiently to get the toe under the lever. Does your modification put that lever in the same better position as moving the arm by one spline did? 

Secondly, did you still rotate the arm one notch on the splines, using the new hole to connect the rod into?

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Reply #4 on: September 06, 2021, 12:08:13 am
Glencoe, it went up by precisely 20mm.

Dexter, I did a quick run today and it is at a nice spot where I can feel it above my foot while riding, and can easily move my foot above it while downshifting….similar configuration as my other bikes.

It did move close to the same position as moving the arm by one spline. I did not have to rotate the arm with this mod.…it is at the OEM position on the splines. Thanks.
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Reply #5 on: September 06, 2021, 01:25:19 am
Glencoe, it went up by precisely 20mm.

Dexter, I did a quick run today and it is at a nice spot where I can feel it above my foot while riding, and can easily move my foot above it while downshifting….similar configuration as my other bikes.

It did move close to the same position as moving the arm by one spline. I did not have to rotate the arm with this mod.…it is at the OEM position on the splines. Thanks.

OK, sounds good and worth the cost of buying a new drill bit for my Black & Decker power drill! Thanks again for coming up with this idea. Your geometry marks in high school must have far exceeded mine!  ;D
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Reply #6 on: October 21, 2021, 09:44:49 pm
Bit late to the party but the dealership I bought my Meteor from just adjustered the standard shifter.  Works great so I just use it as a standard toe shifter.
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Reply #7 on: October 21, 2021, 11:20:30 pm
Bit late to the party but the dealership I bought my Meteor from just adjustered the standard shifter.  Works great so I just use it as a standard toe shifter.

You are the second person to say that the dealer did something to make it a toe shifter. I would be interested to know exactly what they did, since I can't imagine they drilled a new hole in the linkage, as was done by GSS here.

Can you enquire for others to know what their solution was, please?
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Reply #8 on: October 22, 2021, 09:31:07 am
You are the second person to say that the dealer did something to make it a toe shifter. I would be interested to know exactly what they did, since I can't imagine they drilled a new hole in the linkage, as was done by GSS here.

Can you enquire for others to know what their solution was, please?
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Reply #9 on: October 22, 2021, 09:36:22 am
When I was thinking of buying a Meteor I told them the only thing that puts me off is the shifter they said it's not a problem as they just move the shifter up.

They certainly don't drill or add anything I never gave it a second thought at the time I just assumed everyone did it !  I will take a photo of it and try to post it on here.
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Reply #10 on: October 22, 2021, 03:39:29 pm
They probably just rotated it up a notch like Dexter and I tried originally.  It will likely work fine but I just didn’t like the uncertainty of the lever not fully engaging as it always hit the footrest bar while shifting up.
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Reply #11 on: October 22, 2021, 05:15:01 pm
They probably just rotated it up a notch like Dexter and I tried originally.  It will likely work fine but I just didn’t like the uncertainty of the lever not fully engaging as it always hit the footrest bar while shifting up.

Yeah, I think the dealer might also have bent that thin rod a bit to give some clearance, something I was reluctant to try, fearing it would bugger the whole shift mechanism.
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Reply #12 on: October 23, 2021, 01:46:45 pm
Here's the shifter on my Meteor for toe only changing.
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Reply #13 on: October 24, 2021, 03:19:56 pm
Looks like it is simply rotated up. Thanks.
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Reply #14 on: October 25, 2021, 08:31:56 am
Yes the dealer just did that they moved it up.  So it's an easy fix no need to buy extra parts or drill anything ;)
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