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on: August 10, 2022, 07:06:11 am
Hi Guys, I'm new to RE bikes and recently bought RE Int 650. Happy with the bike....only 300Km so far. Anyone changed to alloy sports rim here? any review about it?


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Reply #2 on: August 10, 2022, 08:49:29 am
Hi Guys, I'm new to RE bikes and recently bought RE Int 650. Happy with the bike....only 300Km so far. Anyone changed to alloy sports rim here? any review about it?

Whats an "alloy sports rim"? The std rims are alloy. Is this a brand I'm unaware of?

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Reply #3 on: August 10, 2022, 08:59:46 am
Do you mean cast alloy wheels, if so, I don't think there is anything that you would want to put on your bike.
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Reply #4 on: August 10, 2022, 09:30:50 am
Maybe the new hunter 350 17” will be an option. Not something I’d bother with.
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Reply #5 on: August 10, 2022, 09:57:30 pm
Otherwise you can buy some from Indian aftermarket ...  https://youtu.be/hk9Jh2iIOCs   ;)



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Reply #6 on: August 10, 2022, 10:19:58 pm
Otherwise you can buy some from Indian aftermarket ...  https://youtu.be/hk9Jh2iIOCs   ;)
Pretty much what we all expected.
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Reply #7 on: August 11, 2022, 01:30:50 am
I actually meant this type of rim.

https://youtu.be/0pGNi6kCls8

Anyone used these rims before?


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Reply #8 on: August 11, 2022, 01:32:23 am
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Reply #9 on: August 11, 2022, 01:37:31 am
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Reply #10 on: August 11, 2022, 01:45:18 am
I actually meant this type of rim.

https://youtu.be/0pGNi6kCls8

Anyone used these rims before?
I think the general consensus on this forum has been none of the currently available alloy wheels are trusted not to fail easily.
 There is interest for many of us for alloy tubeless wheels for the 650, but they need to come from a trusted source.
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Reply #11 on: August 11, 2022, 02:59:55 am
These will work, but get your checkbook out...

https://www.bikehps.com/kineo/
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Reply #12 on: August 11, 2022, 09:25:18 am
I actually meant this type of rim.

https://youtu.be/0pGNi6kCls8

Anyone used these rims before?

Pure trash and looks awful lol. Pretty sure the person in the video actually switched back to the stock rims because of how bad they were too.

It doesn’t looks like RE is ever gonna release proper alloy rims. I asked this same question on this forum like 2 years ago before I even bought my gt650. Still no rims.

There’s photos of new rims on the 650 shotgun but they also look stupid as hell.


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Reply #13 on: August 11, 2022, 10:49:26 am
I actually meant this type of rim.

https://youtu.be/0pGNi6kCls8

Anyone used these rims before?
Read comment no.4 under the video.
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Reply #14 on: August 11, 2022, 04:55:11 pm
These will work, but get your checkbook out...

https://www.bikehps.com/kineo/


The Chinese RX4 uses this setup
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Reply #15 on: August 11, 2022, 08:08:00 pm
These will work, but get your checkbook out...

https://www.bikehps.com/kineo/
Can you provide a link to their products that fit the Royal Enfield 650? I spent some time on the site and could not find anything for Royal Enfield.
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Reply #16 on: August 12, 2022, 01:41:43 am
Can you provide a link to their products that fit the Royal Enfield 650? I spent some time on the site and could not find anything for Royal Enfield.

I think you have to email. I couldn’t find any RE products either
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Reply #17 on: August 12, 2022, 01:51:08 am
If I wanted some nice high-dollar tubeless spoked race rims I'd just message them, looks like they do a lot of custom ($$$) work.

The RE 650 Interceptor is a very nice motorcycle, but it is the bottom end of the performance market. It's relatively heavy and underpowered, but it's thousands more to get the "real" hardware. At the end of the day, a set of good tires, some suspension upgrades, maybe better front brake pads and perhaps a few weekends spent at a performance riding school will enable you to leave a lot of poseurs on arguably better hardware in the rear view mirror. Few riders actually have the skillset or ability to ride their stock machines 100%, maybe only 5% of all riders. The eyesight and kinesthetic sense of traction, the focus & concentration required, most won't or can't make the effort. It's really informative to follow an Expert level rider, mounted on some painfully stock sportbike, around a course. The fast guys (and gals) are simply fast on anything, everywhere. I'd skip the $2,000 pretty rims and spend my money on training & basics. A stock looking machine is of less interest to the "Midnight Auto" boys anyway.

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Reply #18 on: August 12, 2022, 10:27:04 am
If I wanted some nice high-dollar tubeless spoked race rims I'd just message them, looks like they do a lot of custom ($$$) work.

The RE 650 Interceptor is a very nice motorcycle, but it is the bottom end of the performance market. It's relatively heavy and underpowered, but it's thousands more to get the "real" hardware. At the end of the day, a set of good tires, some suspension upgrades, maybe better front brake pads and perhaps a few weekends spent at a performance riding school will enable you to leave a lot of poseurs on arguably better hardware in the rear view mirror. Few riders actually have the skillset or ability to ride their stock machines 100%, maybe only 5% of all riders. The eyesight and kinesthetic sense of traction, the focus & concentration required, most won't or can't make the effort. It's really informative to follow an Expert level rider, mounted on some painfully stock sportbike, around a course. The fast guys (and gals) are simply fast on anything, everywhere. I'd skip the $2,000 pretty rims and spend my money on training & basics. A stock looking machine is of less interest to the "Midnight Auto" boys anyway.

Kind of a weird tangent tbh. Sure, learning to ride better is awesome. But wtf does this have to do with wanting different rims lol.


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Reply #19 on: August 12, 2022, 01:53:21 pm
Kind of a weird tangent tbh. Sure, learning to ride better is awesome. But wtf does this have to do with wanting different rims lol.
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Reply #20 on: August 12, 2022, 02:52:50 pm
After a week of Hunter 350 news & reviews, I’m left wondering if it’s 17” tubeless alloy wheels could be fitted to the 650?
 The advantages are appealing and the wheels themselves are reasonably attractive.
 Then again, maybe I just need another bike in my garage!

(Yes, I know the disc is a different size and I have no idea how many other factors would squash this idea, but still, fun to think about)
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Reply #21 on: August 12, 2022, 03:25:38 pm
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---- thousands more to get .... perhaps a few weekends spent at a performance riding school will enable you to leave a lot of poseurs on arguably better hardware in the rear view mirror. Few riders actually have the skillset or ability to ride their stock machines 100%, maybe only 5% of all riders. The eyesight and kinesthetic sense of traction, the focus & concentration required, most won't or can't make the effort. It's really informative to follow an Expert level rider, mounted on some painfully stock sportbike, around a course. The fast guys (and gals) are simply fast on anything, everywhere. I'd skip the $2,000 pretty rims and spend my money on training & basics.....
You make a valid point.
Treating a street riding school as a motorcycle accessory is smart, fun, helpful and will fit future bikes.
Nothing wrong with the basic safety courses. Same for the genuine road racing schools. But the schools for high pace street riding are the sweet spot for almost everyone. Polishing your skills can be a very satisfying purchase.
Depending on where you live, you might make a school the apex of a weekend motorcycle trip.
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Reply #22 on: August 12, 2022, 04:36:19 pm
After a week of Hunter 350 news & reviews, I’m left wondering if it’s 17” tubeless alloy wheels could be fitted to the 650?
 The advantages are appealing and the wheels themselves are reasonably attractive.
 Then again, maybe I just need another bike in my garage!

(Yes, I know the disc is a different size and I have no idea how many other factors would squash this idea, but still, fun to think about)

arent the hunter 350 wheels the same as the meteor 350? i recall some indian youtube videos who've done it but then reverted back. not really sure why since i dont understand the language.


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Reply #23 on: August 15, 2022, 12:07:36 am
I'm looking at wheels from a 20-21 Honda CB300R, they are both 17", widths are 1/2" wider than stock at 3" front and 4" rear.
There are some key differences to adapt to the 650 twin, but once those are figured out these may work.
Some of the differences are easily remedied on paper, but for some I'd really have to have the wheels, and bike in my shop to figure out cross-fitment or adaptation.

If anyone happens to have a 20 or 21 CB300R I have a few measurements to request of you, please DM me here on the forums.
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Reply #24 on: August 15, 2022, 01:25:18 am
Photochop:

Looks about right to me except yes the front brake should be on the left side of the bike.
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Reply #25 on: August 15, 2022, 02:59:38 am
They look great.


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Reply #26 on: August 15, 2022, 03:58:48 am
Front looks too short. I don't like it. But it's not my bike and it doesn't matter. Cool project.
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Reply #27 on: August 15, 2022, 05:09:30 am
Yes a 17" wheel will have a larger gap with the fender, I'm pretty sure I could solve that though.
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Reply #28 on: August 15, 2022, 05:24:03 am
Have you seen Man Cave Moto’s latest vid? He has his 650 rear rebuilt on a 17” rim. Nice over the shoulder view of a good wheel builder in action.

https://youtu.be/tDyreLeKMng


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Reply #29 on: August 15, 2022, 08:59:13 am
Thats actually a good video on the wheel building. Not a fan of the 17" rear but the building was interesting and reminds me of why I pay for them to be done.
One general comment that always stands out for me is that Claw hammers are for nailing pieces of wood together and removing nails not for anything else. An engineers hammer is what you use for mechanical work. When I see a claw hammer used for mechanical work I shudder and it colours my impression of the person using it. I remember another Aircraft engineer on our crew years ago opened his tool box one night on a check and there was a claw hammer in there. He was mercilessly crucified for it for weeks, as he should have been. He knew he had sinned and took his weeks of punishment like a man.

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Reply #30 on: August 15, 2022, 09:53:09 am
My engineer father in law would concur. I didn’t realise spoke holes were punched rather than drilled. The spoke making process was pretty neat.


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Reply #31 on: August 15, 2022, 04:25:08 pm
....  stands out for me is that Claw hammers are for nailing pieces of wood together and removing nails not for anything else. An engineers hammer is what you use for mechanical work. When I see a claw hammer used for mechanical work I shudder and it colours my impression of the person using it. I remember another Aircraft engineer on our crew years ago opened his tool box one night on a check and there was a claw hammer in there. He was mercilessly crucified for it for weeks, as he should have been. He knew he had sinned and took his weeks of punishment like a man.

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Reply #32 on: August 15, 2022, 07:44:05 pm
Yes I caught that video shortly after it was posted actually, that's one contributing factor behind my urge to look for 17" alloy wheels without worrying about going wider.
I've researched wheel swaps and even done a few before, but this is the first ABS equipped bike I've tried to figure out.
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Reply #33 on: August 15, 2022, 08:44:33 pm
Yes a 17" wheel will have a larger gap with the fender, I'm pretty sure I could solve that though.

There's the baak low front fender since that's made for 17" wheels but it's $$$, or rig up your own.
https://www.baakmotocyclettes.com/en/body-suspension/4984-mini-classic-low-front-mudguard-for-royal-enfield-650


I was told that the reason you have to rebuild the wheels with original hub is because no one makes the RE hub equivalent, so maybe if it's custom they can make it to match the specs? I thought about having my wheels rebuilt with 17" cuz I like more rubber, but it was too $$$$.


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Reply #34 on: August 16, 2022, 04:07:38 am
arent the hunter 350 wheels the same as the meteor 350? i recall some indian youtube videos who've done it but then reverted back. not really sure why since i dont understand the language.

No the Meteor has a 19" front
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Reply #35 on: August 17, 2022, 12:53:31 am
Have you seen Man Cave Moto’s latest vid? He has his 650 rear rebuilt on a 17” rim. Nice over the shoulder view of a good wheel builder in action.

https://youtu.be/tDyreLeKMng

So would I be correct that they laced up a 4" wide wheel? The wheel builder measured the outside width of the rim at 4-1/2" with his giant Vernier caliper, That correlates to 4" inside.

I wonder what's the widest rear wheel width that can be fitted?
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Reply #36 on: August 17, 2022, 01:41:18 am
So would I be correct that they laced up a 4" wide wheel? The wheel builder measured the outside width of the rim at 4-1/2" with his giant Vernier caliper, That correlates to 4" inside.

I wonder what's the widest rear wheel width that can be fitted?
A member here, who hasn't been active lately, Ol Hog Rider (maybe no spaces) did up a 650 as a scrambler. He did what you are proposing. He used Woody's Wheels in Colorado. 17 read / 19 front. If you search around this forum, he laid out all the details and specifics. His bike came out absolutely gorgeous!
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Reply #37 on: August 17, 2022, 02:21:12 am
Thanks I'll have a look for that.

I just came across a plug & play, OEM Royal Enfield, cast rear wheel, tubeless.

Royal Enfield Meteor 350 2021 Rear wheel rim tyre sprocket straight 17x3.5
Sorry I don't have a RE part number.

Here's one on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195244158568?hash=item2d75756e68:g:D6cAAOSway5i33km&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsKA4PZXSj2qnhjphy7K9ZEchXiAsFmqrWNp%2FDdc9j%2FEVfLpX5wpfz79nqQQLJrS4%2Br%2B94NA%2FcuUNypphUY2%2B8eMA1n6DysbKxp1iox20%2F7t2ZYM7P7nviHD3zyOfqUaElM3C4exu3CiHd7dr3JS%2FGTX1k7vfbhO3R7XtXiHFXFyFRMx4SONK2RcsQIP6ZklTymtkoCqVUzJel7pO3mpUTYba7dcl8j%2Bdz2xywEKT4ZRO%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5ad9ZLVYA

eBay item number:195244158568

Found this wheel used in this video, it's got more English spoken than some of his other videos, and he's on Instagram if there are questions.

https://youtu.be/1f4_CAWEhp4
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Reply #38 on: August 17, 2022, 08:11:33 am
Rather than experiment with wheels/ rims that are not meant to fit for the interceptor, there is another way of tacking this issue.
 There are China based suppliers who sell blank forged rims (6061-T6) and sell them in a range of sizes from 16" to 30" and widths of 2.75 - 4 inches. One would need to find a cnc machine shop to make the cut out the pattern or design needed. The hubs are just 2 pieces of aluminum bar stock that are machined to the correct size and bolt pattern for the brake rotor and the ABS trigger wheel or the rear sproket and brake rotor. These 2 pieces are bolted on either side of the wheel. There are even suppliers in China that will machine the patterns and ship it. The prices have dropped a lot compared to what it was 15-20 years ago.


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Reply #39 on: August 17, 2022, 01:57:23 pm
Thanks I'll have a look for that.

I just came across a plug & play, OEM Royal Enfield, cast rear wheel, tubeless.

Royal Enfield Meteor 350 2021 Rear wheel rim tyre sprocket straight 17x3.5
Sorry I don't have a RE part number.

Here's one on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195244158568?hash=item2d75756e68:g:D6cAAOSway5i33km&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsKA4PZXSj2qnhjphy7K9ZEchXiAsFmqrWNp%2FDdc9j%2FEVfLpX5wpfz79nqQQLJrS4%2Br%2B94NA%2FcuUNypphUY2%2B8eMA1n6DysbKxp1iox20%2F7t2ZYM7P7nviHD3zyOfqUaElM3C4exu3CiHd7dr3JS%2FGTX1k7vfbhO3R7XtXiHFXFyFRMx4SONK2RcsQIP6ZklTymtkoCqVUzJel7pO3mpUTYba7dcl8j%2Bdz2xywEKT4ZRO%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5ad9ZLVYA

eBay item number:195244158568

Found this wheel used in this video, it's got more English spoken than some of his other videos, and he's on Instagram if there are questions.

https://youtu.be/1f4_CAWEhp4

What do you mean you just found it. Aren’t those the stock meteor rims anyway?


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Reply #40 on: August 17, 2022, 07:21:54 pm
Thanks I'll have a look for that.

I just came across a plug & play, OEM Royal Enfield, cast rear wheel, tubeless.

Royal Enfield Meteor 350 2021 Rear wheel rim tyre sprocket straight 17x3.5
Sorry I don't have a RE part number.

Here's one on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195244158568?hash=item2d75756e68:g:D6cAAOSway5i33km&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsKA4PZXSj2qnhjphy7K9ZEchXiAsFmqrWNp%2FDdc9j%2FEVfLpX5wpfz79nqQQLJrS4%2Br%2B94NA%2FcuUNypphUY2%2B8eMA1n6DysbKxp1iox20%2F7t2ZYM7P7nviHD3zyOfqUaElM3C4exu3CiHd7dr3JS%2FGTX1k7vfbhO3R7XtXiHFXFyFRMx4SONK2RcsQIP6ZklTymtkoCqVUzJel7pO3mpUTYba7dcl8j%2Bdz2xywEKT4ZRO%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5ad9ZLVYA

eBay item number:195244158568

Found this wheel used in this video, it's got more English spoken than some of his other videos, and he's on Instagram if there are questions.

https://youtu.be/1f4_CAWEhp4

What do you mean you just found it. Aren’t those the stock meteor rims anyway?

I meant I just learned this stock meteor rear rim is a bolt-on for 650 twins, didnt I say that?
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