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on: May 25, 2021, 01:30:02 am
I just heard on the news that the Governor of Texas has signed a law that would allow anyone to carry a gun in public. And to do so without a permit or any training. :o This does not sound like a good idea to me.  :( There was no mention of how old you need to be to carry a big iron on your hip.  ???  I think I will avoid visiting Texas for a while.
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Reply #1 on: May 25, 2021, 01:51:52 am
I just heard on the news that the Governor of Texas has signed a law that would allow anyone to carry a gun in public. And to do so without a permit or any training. :o This does not sound like a good idea to me.  :( There was no mention of how old you need to be to carry a big iron on your hip.  ???  I think I will avoid visiting Texas for a while.

Yikes! I don't think he thought that one all the way through. It'll be interesting to see how that  one plays out.  :o


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Reply #2 on: May 25, 2021, 02:11:57 am
Maybe it's a ploy to scare off some of the hordes of Californian economic refugees flooding the state?

This former resident of Austin in the '90s' own interest in firearms parallels my interest in motorcycles: being largely aesthetic and antiquey. While I might like a nice old school Winchester or some black powder smoke wagon, I'd have near zero interest in owning something like an AR-15 or Glock--even less than, say, some Hayabusa organ donor special modern wonderbike. I've got a couple of ultra-cheapo but sturdy Chinese-made .177 cal. pellet guns, a rifle and a matching target pistol, for occasional back yard plinking at a little metal target box full of flippy magnetic ducks, but I bear no ill will towards the actual ducks or other birds, rabbits, squirrels, possums, racoons, tortoises, frogs, salamanders or that one sly chipmunk who comes by to join me for my morning coffee on the deck (he actually prefers a little platter of unshelled sunflower seeds, though an almond or three is always appreciated too). As I close in on 63 in a week or so, I'm still in no hurry to arm to the teeth for the coming zombie apocalypse, to fend off those meth-addled home invaders or to show those squirrels who's boss. I suspect many firearms bought for fear-based yet "sensible" reasons or home protection are more likely to be used following a dispute over the quality of the evening's meatloaf. Still, I wouldn't mind polishing an old Sharps Rifle or Colt Navy out on the back deck with the chipmunk. With his cooperation I'm quite sure his sleek fur would bring it to a high lustrous shine, right?: https://youtube.com/shorts/mPXA-i1nldU?feature=share
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Reply #3 on: May 25, 2021, 02:28:43 am
Here in TN they passed the same law, going into effect in July.

There are 18 states like that, and more are in process.
People who are not legal for firearms such as felons are not included.

I'm okay with it., although I have a permit already anyway. I carry my pistol 24/7, as do many others here. So many people here already had carry permits that I doubt much will change, except for the fees.

As for the criminals, they have been carrying all along, and don't care about the laws. The laws only restrict the law abiding.
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Reply #4 on: May 25, 2021, 03:09:57 am
+2!!  Truer words wuz ne're spoke!  " As for the criminals, they have been carrying all along, and don't care about the laws. The laws only restrict the law abiding. "

Pump shotgun for home defense, gauge of your preference, first 3 rounds are #9 birdshot followed by slugs. As Zimmemr says, looking down a scattergun bore is truly a "come to Jesus" moment, and the sound of a pump shotgun preparing for action is utterly unmistakable.

One of my pals living in the remote sticks south of Barstow bought his wife a nice 410 Mossberg pump for when he was away. A month or so later he was taking a 3AM wee, lights off, and as he is staggering back towards the bed he hears the Mossberg ka-clack! into pre-action mode. He said he froze, and in a high trembling voice says "Honey - It's me!" The wife thought he was still in bed... :o
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Reply #5 on: May 25, 2021, 07:12:49 am


One of my pals living in the remote sticks south of Barstow bought his wife a nice 410 Mossberg pump for when he was away. A month or so later he was taking a 3AM wee, lights off, and as he is staggering back towards the bed he hears the Mossberg ka-clack! into pre-action mode. He said he froze, and in a high trembling voice says "Honey - It's me!" The wife thought he was still in bed... :o
That sounds like a convenient way to off a family member you don't particularly care for...
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Reply #6 on: May 25, 2021, 11:12:15 am
Corpocrates supposedly families, businesses supposedly families....they all love each other so much.  ::)
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Reply #7 on: May 25, 2021, 11:52:44 am
+2!!  Truer words wuz ne're spoke!  " As for the criminals, they have been carrying all along, and don't care about the laws. The laws only restrict the law abiding. "

Pump shotgun for home defense, gauge of your preference, first 3 rounds are #9 birdshot followed by slugs. As Zimmemr says, looking down a scattergun bore is truly a "come to Jesus" moment, and the sound of a pump shotgun preparing for action is utterly unmistakable.


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Reply #8 on: May 25, 2021, 02:05:56 pm
@ #6: Wrong thread maybe? :o

@ #7: Glad we can find some common ground!  ;D
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Reply #9 on: May 25, 2021, 02:14:30 pm
Apparently the "just in" news report that I heard was from the near future. Later last night I heard another report that said that the Texas state legislature had passed the bill and that the Governor had said that he would sign it into law.  So I was a few days early with the news.  :-[  Still I don't think it is a good idea, especially with all of the nervous California residents that have moved into that state lately. They just might go out and buy semi-automatic hand guns for defense against the resident Rebels.

The trouble that we have in the San Francisco Bay Area is that when the bullets go flying around here, the people that usually get shot are innocent bystanders. Apparently the criminals doing the shooting have never had any training on how to do anything except pulling a trigger, other than playing shoot'em up video games and watching NCIS LA on TV.  :o  However, they do know which direction that the bullets come out of and rarely manage to shoot themselves. Too bad.  ::)

About 25 years ago my daughter worked for a transportation engineering company as both an office manager and an intersection traffic counter in Seattle. At one time they were specializing in analyzing municipal bus routes to determine which ones could be deleted or rerouted for better efficiency. The company would take her along to their dog and pony show as attractive window dressing. She would go all over the U.S. but the one experience that stuck in her mind was a visit to Houston's municipal building. To get to the office that they were visiting in the multi-story building she said that they walked into the ground floor where there was just a receptionist located behind heavy bulletproof glass. After talking to the receptionist through a speaker they were allowed to access the bulletproof elevator and were whisked to the floor of the bus transportation department that they were scheduled to visit. My daughter commented at the time that the city government really knew their visitors.  ;)
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Reply #10 on: May 25, 2021, 04:12:39 pm
Apparently the "just in" news report that I heard was from the near future. Later last night I heard another report that said that the Texas state legislature had passed the bill and that the Governor had said that he would sign it into law.  So I was a few days early with the news.  :-[  Still I don't think it is a good idea, especially with all of the nervous California residents that have moved into that state lately. They just might go out and buy semi-automatic hand guns for defense against the resident Rebels.

The trouble that we have in the San Francisco Bay Area is that when the bullets go flying around here, the people that usually get shot are innocent bystanders. Apparently the criminals doing the shooting have never had any training on how to do anything except pulling a trigger, other than playing shoot'em up video games and watching NCIS LA on TV.  :o  However, they do know which direction that the bullets come out of and rarely manage to shoot themselves. Too bad.  ::)

About 25 years ago my daughter worked for a transportation engineering company as both an office manager and an intersection traffic counter in Seattle. At one time they were specializing in analyzing municipal bus routes to determine which ones could be deleted or rerouted for better efficiency. The company would take her along to their dog and pony show as attractive window dressing. She would go all over the U.S. but the one experience that stuck in her mind was a visit to Houston's municipal building. To get to the office that they were visiting in the multi-story building she said that they walked into the ground floor where there was just a receptionist located behind heavy bulletproof glass. After talking to the receptionist through a speaker they were allowed to access the bulletproof elevator and were whisked to the floor of the bus transportation department that they were scheduled to visit. My daughter commented at the time that the city government really knew their visitors.  ;)
While Houston might be different, the major cities tend to be similar all over, and one of the things that they have in common is gun control ordinances and street gangs. The majority of crimes with guns occur in "gun free zones" like cities, schools, etc.

It makes things much safer for the criminals when their victims are unarmed. And they know it.

PS - It's not the "rebels" that you need to be concerned about.
Stay out of cities, no matter what state, and you'll be at very low risk.
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Reply #11 on: May 25, 2021, 05:09:02 pm
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PS - It's not the "rebels" that you need to be concerned about.
Stay out of cities, no matter what state, and you'll be at very low risk.

Actually, it's not just in your big megalopolises that you gotta keep your wits about you. A lot of little towns you might have to Google can be super-dicey. For example, I'd need a few minutes to even find little Rockford, Illinois on a map, but it's right up there with the post-apocalyptic free fire zone that is Detroit as being a thoroughly appropriate venue for sporting one of those bulletproof biker vests described in another recent thread. See: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/#

Picturesque Newburgh, New York overlooking the Hudson looks like where FDR and Eleanor might put in the yacht for afternoon tea and crumpets, yet statistically speaking you're likelier to get your ass capped there than in the burned out South Bronx.
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Reply #12 on: May 25, 2021, 05:23:04 pm
Little towns may have another issues. You may find some "Reichsführers" there as well as self appointed sherrifs. And than you may quickly find yourself in a situation that resembles the movie Rambo part 1. Even better is if that village is at silent war with a city next to it.

In times of the lockdowns all these conflicts surface pretty obviously.
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Reply #13 on: May 25, 2021, 05:39:55 pm
Actually, it's not just in your big megalopolises that you gotta keep your wits about you. A lot of little towns you might have to Google can be super-dicey. For example, I'd need a few minutes to even find little Rockford, Illinois on a map, but it's right up there with the post-apocalyptic free fire zone that is Detroit as being a thoroughly appropriate venue for sporting one of those bulletproof biker vests described in another recent thread. See: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/#

Picturesque Newburgh, New York overlooking the Hudson looks like where FDR and Eleanor might put in the yacht for afternoon tea and crumpets, yet statistically speaking you're likelier to get your ass capped there than in the burned out South Bronx.
Well, I have lived in Rockford and  Detroit. I have been in the Bronx plenty of times because I grew up near there.

I can assure you that Rockford is nothing like as dangerous as those other two, statistics notwithstanding.

The last time I was at the Grand Concourse in the Bronx, it was like a war zone with overturned cars burning in the middle of various streets, buildings boarded up, and no fire/emergency vehicles showing up. Very post apocalyptic. It even made ME nervous. I would not go back to NYC again. I also lived in Chicago and DC, and I wouldn't go back there either.
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Reply #14 on: May 25, 2021, 07:51:12 pm
@ #12: Germany sounds pretty dangerous! Too bad about your "that village is at silent war with a city next to it" situations... :o  Maybe time to move to Texas or Argentina?
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Reply #15 on: May 25, 2021, 08:14:54 pm
@ #12: Germany sounds pretty dangerous! Too bad about your "that village is at silent war with a city next to it" situations... :o  Maybe time to move to Texas or Argentina?

Maine is nice, they don't say much up there, but as far as I know they're not shooting each other either. Not that it's all the pertinent to the gun discussion, but most of the world loves to knock the USA, but you sure don't see to many people looking for the exit. Despite our problems, we must be doing something right. ;)


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Reply #16 on: May 25, 2021, 09:09:29 pm
@ #12: Germany sounds pretty dangerous! Too bad about your "that village is at silent war with a city next to it" situations... :o  Maybe time to move to Texas or Argentina?

This kind of experiences you can't gain anywhere else than in S.... ;D

Could be maybe due to a high consumption of movies, who knows.

However the IT thing is maybe a result of the Rudolph Steiner teachings that are widely spread in S. IMO, or a way to deal with the vaxxing. To some extent adopted by the gov. that does probably consider the citizens as children. The basic philosophy behind it my not be all that bad, but everything has a flipside if taken to extremes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner
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Reply #17 on: May 25, 2021, 09:35:54 pm
Like this:



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Reply #18 on: May 25, 2021, 10:30:41 pm
Oakland, CA, lived up to its reputation yesterday. There was a gun fight just one block from the main police station. The cops were hanging out at the station in the afternoon and clearly heard multiple shots that sounded like a war going on. By the time they were able to run out of their building and arrived at the scene, the shooters were gone, at least one man was laying in the street dead and there were 20 cartridges in the street from what was described as large caliber weapons. That made the news last night, but it still wasn't up to last week's fun when a party bus was ventilated with 70 bullets, two young people killed and 5 injured, as it passed through the city.  However, from what I have been hearing Oakland doesn't hold a candle to Chicago and Detroit when it comes to gang warfare.  :(  However, I am just not sure that if everyone is packing heat and not just the criminals that things will be much better.  ???
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Reply #19 on: May 25, 2021, 11:11:02 pm
most of the world loves to knock the USA, but you sure don't see to many people looking for the exit. Despite our problems, we must be doing something right. ;)

Because most of your guys don't realise anything exists outside the US? Or like that young pro gun "journalist" on YouTube a while back baiting overseas visitors about gun laws.  "why would I want to live anywhere I can't carry a gun? ".

I'm just teasing, but you know I'm right  ;)
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Reply #20 on: May 25, 2021, 11:15:22 pm
I just ask myself one question.
"If I were walking the streets of Oakland as a law-abiding person, and I was attacked by some armed thugs bent on doing harm to me or my family, would I prefer to be armed, or unarmed?"

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
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Reply #21 on: May 25, 2021, 11:22:27 pm
I be like my grandpa used to say
"it'd take a good man to hit me twice in 100 yards"
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Reply #22 on: May 25, 2021, 11:48:32 pm
I just ask myself one question.
"If I were walking the streets of Oakland as a law-abiding person, and I was attacked by some armed thugs bent on doing harm to me or my family, would I prefer to be armed, or unarmed?"

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.


During the Great Depression my grandfather lived in Oakland and worked as a painter at a mill located not too far from his home. He walked to work and back and said that he carried a revolver for protection as there were some desperate people in the area during those days. He never had to use it, fortunately.  However, nowadays it seems as if the victim, at least in California, who tries to protect themselves with a gun is likely to be the one arrested and not the criminal who is either shot or runs away after the victim pulls his gun and fires a shot or two to drive the guy away. This is especially true in San Francisco where the new DA, who used to be a public defender, seems to have no interest in charging criminals no matter the evidence or what they have done short of murder.  >:(
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Reply #23 on: May 25, 2021, 11:57:07 pm
Because most of your guys don't realise anything exists outside the US? Or like that young pro gun "journalist" on YouTube a while back baiting overseas visitors about gun laws.  "why would I want to live anywhere I can't carry a gun? ".

I'm just teasing, but you know I'm right  ;)

No problem Gizz, one thing about living here is that if you don't like the politics or whatever in a particular state, for instance California, it's easy to pick up and move to someplace like New Hampshire, which is a polar opposite, in everything from politics to motor vehicle laws. It can be in a very real sense like moving to a different country, where they speak the same language, sort off, and use the same currency.  ;)


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Reply #24 on: May 25, 2021, 11:59:14 pm
If a criminal wants to take you out they will be waiting for you around the corner and you won't stand a chance if you have a gun or not. This is something they DO in S.,  Usually they just want to bend you over and motivate you to move out of your rental apparent or they want to "motivate" you to loan up and purchase a villa. Yesterday they blew up a gang like that, the leadership was an estate agent and some accountant, they would use thugs to do the motivational work. Happend to me on couple of occasions in S., I just refuse to deal with blackmail, nevertheless its very difficult to defend yourself because its next to impossible to proof.

I can exactly imagine how they operated in that insane country where any company can obtain your background info's and financials.
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Reply #25 on: May 26, 2021, 12:36:21 am
So Rudolf Steiner (February 1861 to 30 March 1925) is the cause of Stuttgart's problems?  :o  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner

Criminals are opportunistic scavengers. As Ace says, raise the cost of doing business and they generally move on.

And like Zimmemr points out, if you don't like the location, just exercise your option & leave. That's what you did, right? You're better off now, right?
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Reply #26 on: May 26, 2021, 01:10:30 am
No problem Gizz, one thing about living here is that if you don't like the politics or whatever in a particular state, for instance California, it's easy to pick up and move to someplace like New Hampshire, which is a polar opposite, in everything from politics to motor vehicle laws. It can be in a very real sense like moving to a different country, where they speak the same language, sort off, and use the same currency.  ;)

That's the impression I get, too. It doesn't sound like it'd be a bad thing. And a lot easier than moving overseas. 
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Reply #27 on: May 26, 2021, 02:24:02 am
That's the impression I get, too. It doesn't sound like it'd be a bad thing. And a lot easier than moving overseas.

It can be quite a culture shock though. I can't imagine what it'd be like to move from New England to the deep south. ;)


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Reply #28 on: May 26, 2021, 04:26:57 am

During the Great Depression my grandfather lived in Oakland and worked as a painter at a mill located not too far from his home. He walked to work and back and said that he carried a revolver for protection as there were some desperate people in the area during those days. He never had to use it, fortunately.  However, nowadays it seems as if the victim, at least in California, who tries to protect themselves with a gun is likely to be the one arrested and not the criminal who is either shot or runs away after the victim pulls his gun and fires a shot or two to drive the guy away. This is especially true in San Francisco where the new DA, who used to be a public defender, seems to have no interest in charging criminals no matter the evidence or what they have done short of murder.  >:(
Yes, that is a problem, and it's not just California. You face two types of criminals, one before and one after.

The only thing I can say to that is "It's better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six."
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Reply #29 on: May 26, 2021, 06:16:54 am
So Rudolf Steiner (February 1861 to 30 March 1925) is the cause of Stuttgart's problems?  :o  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner

Criminals are opportunistic scavengers. As Ace says, raise the cost of doing business and they generally move on.

And like Zimmemr points out, if you don't like the location, just exercise your option & leave. That's what you did, right? You're better off now, right?

Anthroposopic society, it could be a cause. It could be a philosophical basis for the one world government nutters maybe too. They appear to have a disregard for everything and seem to believe that everything should be free. I would call them nihilistic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthroposophy

They prefer an amish like lifestyle however have no issues to use modern technology and vehicles. If you build a house for one of them they may expect it for free as well as an "please excuse me" because you harmed the environment. It's a very strange philosophy, very leaching with a smile, above everything.
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Reply #30 on: May 26, 2021, 01:19:49 pm
When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.


These days, you can't actually assume they're even going to show up at all.  Don't you know policing crime is racism or something?   >:(
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Reply #31 on: May 26, 2021, 01:32:00 pm
For rhose interested, here is a GOA review of the final Texas bill.
https://texas.gunowners.org/hb-1927-final-version-what-does-it-say/
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Reply #32 on: May 26, 2021, 02:06:05 pm
I'd rather explain to a jury why I pulled the trigger than have the cops explain to my wife why I won't be coming home.



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Reply #33 on: May 26, 2021, 02:46:15 pm
Regarding "carry whatever you want" laws: What worries me are people carrying guns in a crowded urban setting that have bought them for personal protection but have never had any training on how to use them or how to hit what they are aiming at. Not a good combination.

Regarding trial juries: One of the few times that I was a juror in a criminal case was during the prosecution of a new Daly City police officer. He was charged with intimidating a prowler when he caught up with him and apparently waved his gun in the guy's face when asking him what he had been up to. The prowler, who did have convictions for burglaries, reported this activity to the city police and they turned the report over to the DA who prosecuted him for a variety of things. I gathered from both the testimony and the number of cops that showed up for the trial that he was a recent transfer to the department and was not up tight with the rest of the cops. During the jury deliberations there were a couple of Filipino women who were insisting that he be convicted of assault as they said that all cops were evil and should be put in jail. Eventually, the rest of the jurors were able to calm them down a bit and he was convicted of brandishing a weapon. After the trial I believe that the conviction was appealed because brandishing a weapon was part of a cop's job description. But that was fortunately my last trial and it was where I learned that jurors can be very much prejudiced and their decisions are not always based upon the facts.  ::)  (Looking at you O.J.) 
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Reply #34 on: May 26, 2021, 04:22:45 pm
Well, in that fuckistan I've lived all mechanics, builders and workers would walk around full time with full gear on, screwdrivers, hammers, knives...etc. to annoy the "chosen" global warming children in the offices. If you look at the results it's no surprise.
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Reply #35 on: May 26, 2021, 04:23:06 pm
Every month Rifleman magazine has a page that reports on attacks thwarted, invaders shot by a gun owner in the US. Most of the rest of American media hides these events. That's why it is common to hear it said, guns don't do any good. The narrative is a deception.
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Reply #36 on: May 26, 2021, 05:36:18 pm
@ #29: This is clearly early 20th century hogwash designed to titillate the "Tearoom Societies" of the time. I know you know this. There was lots of "Mysticism" interest in those days. The only folks interested in this today would also have signed up with the Heaven's Gate & Peoples Temple crowd. Assign a "0" to it on a societal impact scale.

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Evolution
The anthroposophical view of evolution considers all animals to have evolved from an early, unspecialized form. As the least specialized animal, human beings have maintained the closest connection to the archetypal form;[59] contrary to the Darwinian conception of human evolution, all other animals devolve from this archetype.[60] The spiritual archetype originally created by spiritual beings was devoid of physical substance; only later did this descend into material existence on Earth.[61] In this view, human evolution has accompanied the Earth's evolution throughout the existence of the Earth.


@ #34: What are you trying to say here? There's no context for any of this.
" Well, in that fuckistan I've lived all mechanics, builders and workers would walk around full time with full gear on, screwdrivers, hammers, knives...etc. to annoy the "chosen" global warming children in the offices. If you look at the results it's no surprise. "
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Reply #37 on: May 26, 2021, 05:59:34 pm
@ #29: This is clearly early 20th century hogwash designed to titillate the "Tearoom Societies" of the time. I know you know this. There was lots of "Mysticism" interest in those days. The only folks interested in this today would also have signed up with the Heaven's Gate & Peoples Temple crowd. Assign a "0" to it on a societal impact scale.

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The anthroposophical view of evolution considers all animals to have evolved from an early, unspecialized form. As the least specialized animal, human beings have maintained the closest connection to the archetypal form;[59] contrary to the Darwinian conception of human evolution, all other animals devolve from this archetype.[60] The spiritual archetype originally created by spiritual beings was devoid of physical substance; only later did this descend into material existence on Earth.[61] In this view, human evolution has accompanied the Earth's evolution throughout the existence of the Earth.


@ #34: What are you trying to say here? There's no context for any of this.
" Well, in that fuckistan I've lived all mechanics, builders and workers would walk around full time with full gear on, screwdrivers, hammers, knives...etc. to annoy the "chosen" global warming children in the offices. If you look at the results it's no surprise. "

What I'm trying to say is that the "vaxxing" that's going on, maybe a result of the anthrosophy leads to people displaying their anger in symbolism. They like to compare people's "behaviour" to dogs, cats...etc. Play with colours to annoy Christians for example, violet would be a symbol of death, gold of silence, silver of reflection...

...since basically a lot of people might have been sileced in a totalitarian way, it's became like that. It's pretty annoying, so if you walk in an office suit through that city may find yourself suddenly surrounded with mechanics with knives and hammers. I don't know what the point is but I think it's either to scare or to annoy you.
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Reply #38 on: May 26, 2021, 06:03:15 pm
brandish - verb - wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement. "a man leaped out brandishing a knife"

As a civilian, you don't have the legal ability to "brandish" a weapon. You present a weapon only in defense of imminent threat to your own or another's life. Inside your home is generally a different story, as in a home invasion situation.

If someone is fleeing, you don't shoot them in the back, as the threat is over.

Arizona is Open Carry, but weapons remain holstered, you are just "carrying". Taking it out and playing with it is brandishing. An AR15 on a sling on your shoulder is carrying, that same gun in your hands in public is brandishing.

The reason CCW works well is because timid folks don't have to look at scary objects, they're concealed, so they're not "provoked". "Bad Guys" don't know who's dangerous and who's not, so their "cost of doing business" goes up, they have to be more careful, so business goes down for the smarter criminals.

One bad side effect of open carry is on stupid people, ones that are either emboldened by openly carrying, and others that are "provoked or offended" that someone is openly carrying a weapon. "When two fools collide" generally doesn't turn out too well; think bars & strip clubs on Friday night.

Again, as has been pointed out, criminals by definition don't follow the laws. But a strong CCW population does weed out some of the stupid and increases the general firearms proficiency & knowledge base. Not having widespread open carry thins out the "emboldened" crowd as well as the "provoked" crowd.

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Reply #39 on: May 26, 2021, 06:24:28 pm
Vaccination is a response to public health needs. I suggest you wear a mask to protect yourself from my "Bill Gates Nanobots" I'm breathing out right now.  ::)
As far as folks being silenced, I assume you are talking about Facebook & Twitter bans on certain prominent folks publicly spouting discredited conspiracy theories. Those are private companies trying to protect themselves from litigation over crazy/fake claims made over their medium on public airways. Last I checked there were multiple other avenues of communication open on the Dark Web mega(MAGA?) echo chamber and via proxy Facebook & Twitter posters. Even Fox had to repudiate what some of their guests were spouting on the airwaves. A "totalitarian" silencing is way more Putin-like, where you visit the Gulag or learn the hard way how radioisotopes or chemical warfare agents actually work.
As for Christians & annoying colors & symbolically acting out and business offices filled with folks carrying hammers, I think you're likely the only guy here thinking or worrying about that. Come back from the deep weeds...we need that clever brain focused on important stuff like cam duration specs, Rockwell numbers, materials galling tables, lubricity, intake tract resonances, etc... ;D ;D ;D

" What I'm trying to say is that the "vaxxing" that's going on, maybe a result of the anthrosophy leads to people displaying their anger in symbolism. They like to compare people's "behaviour" to dogs, cats...etc. Play with colours to annoy Christians for example, violet would be a symbol of death, gold of silence, silver of reflection...

...since basically a lot of people might have been sileced in a totalitarian way, it's became like that. It's pretty annoying, so if you walk in an office suit through that city may find yourself suddenly surrounded with mechanics with knives and hammers. I don't know what the point is but I think it's either to scare or to annoy you. "
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Reply #40 on: May 26, 2021, 07:05:44 pm
Come back from the deep weeds...we need that clever brain focused on important stuff like cam duration specs, Rockwell numbers, materials galling tables, lubricity, intake tract resonances, etc... ;D ;D ;D

First you have to calculate which stock is going to skyrocket next.  ;) ....so that we can make more of those home build engines.

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Reply #41 on: May 26, 2021, 08:01:37 pm
A "totalitarian" silencing is way more Putin-like, where you visit the Gulag or learn the hard way how radioisotopes or chemical warfare agents actually work.

They have mental hospitals for that, same, same but different.
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Reply #42 on: May 27, 2021, 03:33:33 pm
Alaska has been a Constitutional Carry State for many years. Open or concealed. It works well .
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Random from the interweb...

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Reply #44 on: May 27, 2021, 04:10:57 pm
A couple of minutes ago I heard a report on the radio that California's state attorney general has a backlog of over 9000 cases of convicted criminals who are prohibited from having weapons who have bought, or acquired them somehow, that need to be taken away from them. However, there are just too many scofflaws and not nearly enough people to enforce the laws. And that is just the ones that they know of. California has some of the strictest gun laws in the country and they don't seem to help all that much when it comes to preventing murders, shooting, robberies and similar criminal activities. I don't know what the solution to the problem is and apparently neither do the country's legislators and politicians, other than to say that we need to come together and make changes to prevent the next mass murder event. But they never seem to have any constructive and workable solution other than suggesting even more gun restrictions that don't seem to work.  ???
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Reply #45 on: May 27, 2021, 07:27:58 pm
My $0.02: Illegal drug money exacerbates & funds these issues. Decriminalize drugs. Source drugs from licensed, taxed & regulated in-country Mom 'n Pop farms, spread the wealth to the middle class, the Corporations already have enough. Supplying the USA's drug craving from in-house lets us stop exporting terrorism to our neighboring countries. Make it cheap enough to remove the incentive to steal or rob to supply a habit. Recreational users that keep to themselves won't have a problem. It's already illegal to drive or operate machinery impaired. Try that "Drug Camp" solution, let folks work their way through it. Testing clean & working as a "medical/custodial corpsman" for 90 days gets you out with $10-15K in your pocket. The "graduates' have seed money to start anew, enough proven self control to hopefully regulate their outside recreational usage. The only guy keeping you out of trouble is yourself anyway. For the folks hell-bent on erasing their conscious minds, they can stay in there indefinitely with free food, a safe place to sleep, flush toilets & showers, a reading library & community garden, mandatory birth control implants and all the opium, heroin, cocaine, marijuana, LSD, etc. they care to consume. The rest of us are way better off letting them weed themselves out in an isolated, controlled environment rather than living with the collateral damage of the sorry-assed mess we have now. Paying $1000 - $2000 per day to a "for profit" private prison to keep some idiot locked up for a couple ounces of weed isn't reasonable. There are plenty of functional alcoholics out there, a guy in his own house on a weekend bender not bothering anyone else isn't a problem. Treat drugs the same way, what we're doing now clearly doesn't work. Doing nothing is a choice, as is creating a police industry that hasn't worked except for private prisons & police equipment suppliers. Maybe we should try being pro-active here. Supplying in house means drugs don't cross the border, which means Cartels get de-funded, which means our law enforcement needs go down and regular citizens of other countries aren't facing daily drug gang wars. Let our adults do as they will as long as it doesn't interfere with others. For the folks that want to share their drugged state with the rest of us, a "Drug Camp" gets them out of our hair and gives them a chance to be rewarded for voluntarily changing their behavior. In the words of Rodney King "Why can't we all just get along?"
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Reply #46 on: May 27, 2021, 08:49:42 pm
I was wrong when I said that politicians never seemed to have any new ideas how to solve the country's gun criminal usage problem. The Congressional representative for the Silicon Valley area, Roe Kana, just came up with an idea today that he would like to propose to Congress. It would require all gun owners to purchase liability insurance to compensate anyone injured by their guns. Personally, that sounds like a "slippery slope" to me.  ???

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Reply #47 on: May 27, 2021, 09:24:40 pm
So since I've left S.... it's became the #1 country in Europe in shoot outs. Politicos already made a plan to provide everyone who gets shot and doesn't die immediately with psychological treatment to prevent mental health issues. This is definitely going to give the victims the rest. The attackers are probably going to be celebrated as hero's and may face couple of months in a luxurious jail.

I bet the psychopaths that run that country just want to shoot everyone into obedience now.
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Reply #48 on: May 27, 2021, 11:01:31 pm
So since I've left S.... it's became the #1 country in Europe in shoot outs.


Really, Sweden?  I would have thought it to be the UK or France in that top spot.  Is the huge rise in Sweden's gun violence due to Islamic invasion, perhaps?  I know the country has a problem with such immigrant violence like in the UK and France (and Germany, and Spain, and Italy).


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Reply #49 on: May 27, 2021, 11:34:27 pm
My $0.02: Illegal drug money exacerbates & funds these issues. Decriminalize drugs. Source drugs from licensed, taxed & regulated in-country Mom 'n Pop farms, spread the wealth to the middle class, the Corporations already have enough. Supplying the USA's drug craving from in-house lets us stop exporting terrorism to our neighboring countries. Make it cheap enough to remove the incentive to steal or rob to supply a habit. Recreational users that keep to themselves won't have a problem. It's already illegal to drive or operate machinery impaired. Try that "Drug Camp" solution, let folks work their way through it. Testing clean & working as a "medical/custodial corpsman" for 90 days gets you out with $10-15K in your pocket. The "graduates' have seed money to start anew, enough proven self control to hopefully regulate their outside recreational usage. The only guy keeping you out of trouble is yourself anyway. For the folks hell-bent on erasing their conscious minds, they can stay in there indefinitely with free food, a safe place to sleep, flush toilets & showers, a reading library & community garden, mandatory birth control implants and all the opium, heroin, cocaine, marijuana, LSD, etc. they care to consume. The rest of us are way better off letting them weed themselves out in an isolated, controlled environment rather than living with the collateral damage of the sorry-assed mess we have now. Paying $1000 - $2000 per day to a "for profit" private prison to keep some idiot locked up for a couple ounces of weed isn't reasonable. There are plenty of functional alcoholics out there, a guy in his own house on a weekend bender not bothering anyone else isn't a problem. Treat drugs the same way, what we're doing now clearly doesn't work. Doing nothing is a choice, as is creating a police industry that hasn't worked except for private prisons & police equipment suppliers. Maybe we should try being pro-active here. Supplying in house means drugs don't cross the border, which means Cartels get de-funded, which means our law enforcement needs go down and regular citizens of other countries aren't facing daily drug gang wars. Let our adults do as they will as long as it doesn't interfere with others. For the folks that want to share their drugged state with the rest of us, a "Drug Camp" gets them out of our hair and gives them a chance to be rewarded for voluntarily changing their behavior. In the words of Rodney King "Why can't we all just get along?"
I don't totally disagree with your notion. I also realize that you have condensed your plan into a single paragraph. However, ...
At full stride what do you envision the population count will be?
Which common laws from the outside will you bring inside? (robbery, assault, murder, prostitution, etc)
Who will enforce whatever laws exist inside?
How will you deal with the self-infirmed as time passes?
In what jurisdiction can you get a permit which will allow the residents to smoke cigarettes?
Will you have abutting camps with populations segregated based on the degree of mental decay?
Are you willing to re-criminalize drug use on the outside?
Will you have a "Euthanasia Committee"?
Do you have a written definition of "recreational drug use"?
Do you have a sliding scale budget?
And so on ...
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Reply #50 on: May 27, 2021, 11:48:52 pm
According to a news report just now, California's solution to gun violence is to hit hand guns with a 10% excise tax and long guns and ammunition with an 11% excise tax. While the Assemblyman and author of this proposed law admits that the estimated $100 million collected each year would go into the state's general fund, where it could be spent on anything, he hopes that the state would actually use the additional money to fund anti-gun activities.  ::)  In any case, he says that making the purchase of guns and ammo more expensive would be a good idea as it might reduce the amount of guns and ammo purchased. He compares it will taxing tobacco products, which helped reduce their sales thereby helping people cut their smoking habits.  ???
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Reply #51 on: May 28, 2021, 12:19:06 am
what we're doing now clearly doesn't work. Doing nothing is a choice, as is creating a police industry that hasn't worked except for private prisons & police equipment suppliers.
This. The current system is only making the wrong people rich.
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Reply #52 on: May 28, 2021, 05:14:31 am
@ #49, NVDucati: Cuba didn't have much money, and when AIDS hit implemented this sanitorium system: https://nacla.org/news/2017/11/29/cuba%E2%80%99s-hiv-sanatoriums-prisons-or-public-health-tool

Federal property like abandoned military bases might prove useful for a "Drugs Sanitorium". Such a system is useful mainly for non-violent folks. With free food, drugs & reasonable cheap housing (modified SeaTrain/Connex?) for sleeping & bathing, there is no real incentive for violence. There are regular prisons for violent offenders. The law is the law, I'm not seeing a special case for inside. Internal security might be maintained by National Guard folks. The "inmates" will provide the labor, as that is a proviso of release, that & routine drug tests. I'm thinking that 90 days of cleaning up piss, shit & vomit, tending gardens, hauling the OD's around, working on food service, that will help some find the willpower to control their usage on the outside. A fiscal incentive for folks cleaning up their act can't hurt. A guy (or gal) that wants to get out can be out in maybe 100-120 days with $10K-$15K in hand, other folks may find a home. Either way, cheaper that what we're doing now. No "euthanasia comittee", just a big trench and a quick picture for the indiscriminate user. Let Nature take it's course. As far as defining recreational drug use, if you show up at work Monday morning "clean & sober" that seems to work for alcoholics for the past 500 years or so. Again - what you do on your own time "recreationally" without bringing harm to others should be your business, that's the "American Way", right?
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Reply #53 on: May 28, 2021, 08:05:55 am

Really, Sweden?  I would have thought it to be the UK or France in that top spot.  Is the huge rise in Sweden's gun violence due to Islamic invasion, perhaps?  I know the country has a problem with such immigrant violence like in the UK and France (and Germany, and Spain, and Italy).

To my knowledge its  only a very small fraction of the population that's Islamic up there. The official statement is they don't know the reason for it. Could be something to do with their leftist policies that are going from red to brown rather rapidly. Now no one can afford to exist and work for free. The market can't be manipulated even at s gun point.
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Reply #54 on: May 28, 2021, 12:49:48 pm
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Reply #55 on: May 28, 2021, 02:16:31 pm
Makes sense to me.  I need to move to Texas asap!

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Reply #56 on: May 28, 2021, 02:24:50 pm
To my knowledge its  only a very small fraction of the population that's Islamic up there. The official statement is they don't know the reason for it. Could be something to do with their leftist policies that are going from red to brown rather rapidly. Now no one can afford to exist and work for free. The market can't be manipulated even at s gun point.

I thought Sweden used to be where motorcycle gangs, like the Hells Angels and the like, hung out and used anti-tank rockets and machine guns to attack each other just for fun.   :o
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Reply #57 on: May 28, 2021, 05:38:12 pm
I thought Sweden used to be where motorcycle gangs, like the Hells Angels and the like, hung out and used anti-tank rockets and machine guns to attack each other just for fun.   :o

That! (not than) and then they had that bikini team that use to terrorize all the beaches. :o

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Reply #58 on: May 28, 2021, 05:45:15 pm
Yeah - I heard those girls would point a pair of 38's at you them pull a gun... 8)
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Reply #59 on: May 28, 2021, 06:27:37 pm
Yeah - I heard those girls would point a pair of 38's at you them pull a gun... 8)

You betcha! I heard some of them even packed 44's.  :o No doubt a very dangerous place to be. Especially with all that cold water they have over there.


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Reply #60 on: May 28, 2021, 07:13:04 pm
You betcha! I heard some of them even packed 44's.  :o No doubt a very dangerous place to be. Especially with all that cold water they have over there.

A Swedish cow with lots of little calfies around is the most dangerous thing on the planet. Now they have the "chosen" children there in that high security trackt employed to work on saving the planet and free it from garbage like you.  ;)
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Reply #61 on: May 28, 2021, 08:12:48 pm
A Swedish cow with lots of little calfies around is the most dangerous thing on the planet. Now they have the "chosen" children there in that high security trackt employed to work on saving the planet and free it from garbage like you.  ;)

They'll have a tough row to hoe. I've eaten a lot of cow in my day and I plan to eat a lot more before I'm done.  ;)


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Reply #62 on: May 28, 2021, 09:43:53 pm
@ #60:
Ohhh....The Riddler is back! Speaking in tongues, or perhaps cryptic coded eldritch metaphor? So mysterious - Swedish cow, little calfies, "chosen" children!  A riddle wrapped within an enigma, or maybe just wrapped in tripe, like a bacon-limburger-menudo slider. :o

Here's one -
Harley MS 7316; dating from approximately 1730
Q: As I was going to St Ives,
Upon the road I met seven wives;
Every wife had seven sacks,
Every sack had seven cats,
Every cat had seven kits:
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were going to St Ives?


A: Why the deuce do you give yourselves so much vexation,
And puzzle your brains with a long calculation
Of the number of cats, with their kittens and sacks,
Which went to St Ives, on the old women's backs,
As you seem to suppose? — Don't you see that the cunning
Old Querist went only? — The rest were all coming.
But grant the wives went too, — as sure's they were married,
Eight only could go, — for the rest were all carried.

" A verse reply from "Philo-Rhithmus" of Edinburgh, in the September 8, 1779 issue of the Weekly Magazine. "


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_I_was_going_to_St_Ives#:~:text=If%20only%20the%20narrator%20was,the%20answer%20is%20precisely%202%2C800.

Personally, I'm not seeing the whole "cow" thing. I think it's "udderly" irrational.... ;D
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Reply #63 on: May 28, 2021, 10:39:50 pm
That is a lot of blonds. Have they been cloned? ;)
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Reply #64 on: May 29, 2021, 01:14:20 am
One can only hope... ;D ;D ;D
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