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Royal Enfield Motorcycles => 650 Interceptor & Continental GT => Topic started by: ioukaa on June 20, 2021, 02:45:42 pm
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Stupid question but I just don't know - how you would repair your tyre on the road, what product do you use? As its tubeless but with a tube in I am a little confused!
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Repair of the tubed tire on the road is a pretty big project. You'll need a good patch kit, likely another tube of the right size, quality tire irons, tools to remove the wheel, a way to support the bike, a compressor to run off your battery or lacking that several co2 cartridges. Assuming you have all that with you the next thing you need is the practical experience to accomplish this job.
It's a major hassle which is why some of us have converted our spoke wheels to run tubeless which will allow most puntures to be repaired with a simple plug kit and an air source eliminating the need to de-mount the tire from the rim.
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I think the recovery truck is the best idea under the circumstances.
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I wonder if a flat would fall under the 3 years road side assistance offered as part of the warranty? I haven't seen any paperwork on the assistance portion of out warranty.
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I think the recovery truck is the best idea under the circumstances.
I concur with Karl! Especially if you're tooling around on a 650, presumably with still-valid 3 year Roadside Recovery Service. Me? For my various vehicles I've got AAA+ with the added RV service required for free motorcycle towing up to 100 miles, with just $1 per mile beyond that. Back when I lived in the UK, several decades ago, I had the similar RAC (Royal Automobile Club) service. It was great too. Hope it's just as good nowadays.
Of course, my old Bullet is blessed with rather easy-to-remove wheels. In fact, the rear can be pulled off without even disturbing the brake assembly. Do the 650s still have that "easy rear wheel release" setup, I wonder? Probably not, what with all that disky-ABS goodness. But yeah, I'd just get the whole plot schlepped home or to a shop. I generally carry along enough tools to get my wheels off on longish tours, but you're no longer likely to see me patching up a tube roadside. However, just getting off the wheel yourself would typically save you $100 or so at a shop.
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The 650 rear wheel can be an absolute monster to re-install even in a nice clean, well-lit, comfortable shop as a few members can attest. Wrestling with it on the side of the road in heat, wind, cold, traffic whizzing by, and all that is not something anyone would fancy.
I suppose if one lives and rides mostly in cities and built up suburban areas it would be best to call your preferred recovery service.
For those of us who ride "out there" phone service is frequently absent.
This is why the supreme being gave us tubeless tires and good patch kits.
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Stupid question but I just don't know - how you would repair your tyre on the road, what product do you use? As its tubeless but with a tube in I am a little confused!
I wouldn't call that a stupid question at all. It's been discussed before but thread drift makes info hard to find even if you go looking.
Me: If I'm close to home (in the local hills or down the coast) I'd ask a friend or my other half to come rescue me. I'd do the same for them. If I'm touring I take tyre mending gear with. It's not super bulky. A pair of michelin levers, a tube, a small patch kit and a compact bike pump. Crossed fingers I never need them but if it happens, I'm good to fix it myself. I guess it would depend how far I was from help. The closer I was to help, the more likely I'd take advantage of that. Roadside recovery here could take all day. I completely understand other rider's reluctance to do the same though. It can be a challenge. Those Enfield rims are pretty difficult to get tyres off of. A tubeless conversion is really worth considering. It'd make life a lot easier.
My 2c, FWIW etc
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Thank you for the detailed replies everyone. I think I'll cross my fingers and hope nothing happens then, maybe a tubeless conversion one day... Thank you!
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Hey Jack...you mentioned some of you have converted to tubleless. Is that applying silicone and stuff to the rim
? Does it work? Would like to go tubeless, not much phone reception where I ride. Oh, the Interceptor rim Is made for tubeless tyres and the Pirelli tyres can run with or without a tube. Just getting that in before someone tells me the rim is for tubes tyres only!
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Pete,
The tubeless conversion has been used by several forum member before I got around to it. I used Dap sealer on the nipples overlaid with a 3M closed cell sealing tape. It works very nicely but is a tedious job.
There is a Japanese product, Outex, which is available on EBay in a kit form with a different sealer tape. I decided to use the "home brew" method but the Outex products seem to work very well. One of our members had the Outex process done by Woodys Wheel Works in Denver. They do great work but it can run up towards $600 if you ship your wheels to them.
An online search will bring up several informative videos on the subject.
As I mentioned it is a pain in the butt job. Not really hard, just fussy, but I think the peace of mind when your far from home is totally worthwhile. Indeed, our rims work fine with a tubeless set up.
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Thank you for the detailed replies everyone. I think I'll cross my fingers and hope nothing happens then, maybe a tubeless conversion one day... Thank you!
Or take a couple of small items that will get you home or at least somewhere you can more easily repair the tube...
(https://www.racing-planet.ch/images/gross/mot817715_motul_tyre_repair_neu_web.jpg)
(https://www.adventuremoto.com.au/assets/full/HL4701.jpg?20201222173116)
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Or take a couple of small items that will get you home or at least somewhere you can more easily repair the tube...
(https://www.racing-planet.ch/images/gross/mot817715_motul_tyre_repair_neu_web.jpg)
(https://www.adventuremoto.com.au/assets/full/HL4701.jpg?20201222173116)
I always thought a "pocket pump" was something else ;) Kidding aside those are two handy items. 8)
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I have to agree after owing my 650 for just one week l took a screw, the wheel can be a right pain in the ass to install you need a chock to raise it up, if it was tubeless could be plugged, l don't know what these liquid tire repair cans are like l have never used them but some say for tubeless only does anyone have any experience with them to confirm they work.
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I would also love to know if this kind of product works with the stock wheels!
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I would also love to know if this kind of product works with the stock wheels!
Of course - https://motul.co.nz/product/mc-care-p3-tyre-repair/ (https://motul.co.nz/product/mc-care-p3-tyre-repair/)
Here's an Indian gentleman puncturing a 650 wheel for your viewing pleasure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzVzOej8n5E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzVzOej8n5E)
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I always carry the seal & air brand of flat fix though I haven't had a flat for years. In the past I have had mixed results. It has got me home/down the road and other times has failed due to defective cans that put out product everywhere but in the hose connected to the valve stem. In Baja one time discovering a partial flat I used it to limp into La Paz stopping every 20 miles or so to give my tire a squirt. In La Paz every other business is a tire repair shop. Another product I use is Ride On. You put it in your tires for flat prevention. There is a video on there site which shows a the front of a motorcycle tire being punctured with an ice pick and they ride it away. Anything that can prevent a rapid loss of air in a tube type wheel is a potential lifesaver. It is a good idea to be able to fix one yourself in the field. No cell service and being far from anywhere is common in the mountainous west and is generally the best riding.
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Oh wow... thanks!
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I have to agree after owing my 650 for just one week l took a screw, the wheel can be a right pain in the ass to install you need a chock to raise it up, if it was tubeless could be plugged, l don't know what these liquid tire repair cans are like l have never used them but some say for tubeless only does anyone have any experience with them to confirm they work.
Well if you look at the product description it appears you can.
Each part of the motorcycle needs specific care. Launched in 2011, Motul® MC Care™ line has been developed to fully maintain and care for the motorcycle, the motorcyclist and their equipment.Product category: Mechanical Parts MaintenanceMotul® MC CARE ™ P3 Tyre Repair repairs and re-inflates tyres instantly without disassembly or tools. Its latex based formula does not deteriorate either the inner tube or tyre.
Ciao
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Or take a couple of small items that will get you home or at least somewhere you can more easily repair the tube...
(https://www.racing-planet.ch/images/gross/mot817715_motul_tyre_repair_neu_web.jpg)
(https://www.adventuremoto.com.au/assets/full/HL4701.jpg?20201222173116)
Coincidentally, I got a rear wheel puncture this morning - a 1" self tapper was the culprit. Luckily I had an aerosol can in my top box, very similar to the one in the picture. After reading the instructions, I removed the screw from the tyre, attached the can to the tyre valve and squirted in the magic solution. As a result, I can now report that it had bugger-all effect on sealing the puncture... The only sensible answer is to make sure that you are covered by adequate bike recovery insurance.
Incidentally, now having removed the rear wheel at home, It can be taken off easily with the bike on the centre stand - it doesn't need to be raised on blocks. Unless of course you are working with a Continental GT. ::)
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Outex kit. I just got back from a 3k mile trip in areas with little cell service and no flat bed tow trucks for a hundred miles. I wouldn’t do that trip with tubes. In many areas there was no place to pull off the road, without going down a cliff anyway. Tubes were the one thing that was a major concern for me before I bought the bike, but a friend had good experience with a number of Outex kits on various bikes, so I went with that. The tires hold air perfectly between rides, unlike the tubes which seemed to leak out a few lbs of pressure every week.
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+1, over and over.
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Coincidentally, I got a rear wheel puncture this morning - a 1" self tapper was the culprit. Luckily I had an aerosol can in my top box, very similar to the one in the picture. After reading the instructions, I removed the screw from the tyre, attached the can to the tyre valve and squirted in the magic solution. As a result, I can now report that it had bugger-all effect on sealing the puncture... The only sensible answer is to make sure that you are covered by adequate bike recovery insurance.
Incidentally, now having removed the rear wheel at home, It can be taken off easily with the bike on the centre stand - it doesn't need to be raised on blocks. Unless of course you are working with a Continental GT. ::)
Thats too bad. Despite my initial skepticism, I was considering buying a can of this stuff to keep on board for the peace of mind. Don't think I'll do that now, unless others chime in with some positive reviews. I'll just keep crossing my fingers until the day someone designs some decent looking tubeless wheels for these bikes. Until then, I do have AAA, and I'm never too far off the beaten path.
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Outex kit. I just got back from a 3k mile trip in areas with little cell service and no flat bed tow trucks for a hundred miles. I wouldn’t do that trip with tubes. In many areas there was no place to pull off the road, without going down a cliff anyway. Tubes were the one thing that was a major concern for me before I bought the bike, but a friend had good experience with a number of Outex kits on various bikes, so I went with that. The tires hold air perfectly between rides, unlike the tubes which seemed to leak out a few lbs of pressure every week.
I'm glad you and others are happy with the outex conversion. I don't doubt that it works, but I do doubt my ability to properly install it. Even though others have said its not hard, just tedious, I know if I did it I would be constantly waiting for disaster to strike.
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I see your point but in reality ANY air retention system can fail. Is worrying about a tubeless system failing worse than worrying about a nail or screw in a tubed tire?
There's ALWAYS something waiting to mess us up 8)
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I see your point but in reality ANY air retention system can fail. Is worrying about a tubeless system failing worse than worrying about a nail or screw in a tubed tire?
There's ALWAYS something waiting to mess us up 8)
True. The difference is a nail or screw is out of my control. Who knows, maybe I’ll change my mind some day if RE never ends up coming out with those tubeless wheels “due out in early 2021”.
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I'm glad you and others are happy with the outex conversion. I don't doubt that it works, but I do doubt my ability to properly install it. Even though others have said its not hard, just tedious, I know if I did it I would be constantly waiting for disaster to strike.
Keep in mind that if you screw up the installation (unlikely) it will manifest as a slow leak. So just wait a couple of days before you ride it and you will know how you did.
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When I did my tubeless job six months ago those first few minutes after seating the bead and dunk testing were suspenseful to say the least.