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on: May 09, 2022, 08:58:44 pm
I’ve found UK sources, Indian sources, and Australian sources, but can anyone link me to a place in the US?
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Reply #1 on: May 09, 2022, 10:15:39 pm
I’ve found UK sources, Indian sources, and Australian sources, but can anyone link me to a place in the US?
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Reply #2 on: May 10, 2022, 01:37:05 am
Okay, I saw that posted before, but didnt see anything that said it would fit a Royal Enfield.

Also I dont understand their pricing. Sprocket is 15 bucks but the total is 27, and then almost 40 after shipping.

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Reply #3 on: May 10, 2022, 03:00:09 am
Okay, I saw that posted before, but didnt see anything that said it would fit a Royal Enfield.

Also I dont understand their pricing. Sprocket is 15 bucks but the total is 27, and then almost 40 after shipping.

You're better off speaking directly to them, especially about pricing. The one thing I can tell you is that the last guy I sent there for Interceptor sprockets came away happy.  8)


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Reply #4 on: May 10, 2022, 06:35:24 am
You're better off speaking directly to them, especially about pricing. The one thing I can tell you is that the last guy I sent there for Interceptor sprockets came away happy.  8)

Okay cool, thanks!
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Reply #5 on: May 10, 2022, 05:10:04 pm
Zimmemr might be referring to me. I ordered a rear sprocket for my Interceptor from them, on his recommendation, and was quite impressed with the quality and the turn-around time, and the pricing was competitive. I called them and spoke with Lance. I'll be using them again when I need a sprocket.


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Reply #6 on: May 10, 2022, 10:43:09 pm
Zimmemr might be referring to me. I ordered a rear sprocket for my Interceptor from them, on his recommendation, and was quite impressed with the quality and the turn-around time, and the pricing was competitive. I called them and spoke with Lance. I'll be using them again when I need a sprocket.

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Reply #7 on: May 11, 2022, 05:14:52 am
Zimmemr might be referring to me. I ordered a rear sprocket for my Interceptor from them, on his recommendation, and was quite impressed with the quality and the turn-around time, and the pricing was competitive. I called them and spoke with Lance. I'll be using them again when I need a sprocket.

Did you get a steal or aluminum sprocket?


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Reply #8 on: May 11, 2022, 05:21:06 am
I'm kinda interested in the Aussie source you found, I mainly do highway riding so the 16 tooth would be very helpful but haven't really found anyone other than India or the UK to get one.


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Reply #9 on: May 11, 2022, 04:59:05 pm
Did you get a steal or aluminum sprocket?

Steel, as I recall.


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Reply #10 on: May 12, 2022, 04:36:27 am
I'm kinda interested in the Aussie source you found, I mainly do highway riding so the 16 tooth would be very helpful but haven't really found anyone other than India or the UK to get one.

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Reply #11 on: May 12, 2022, 04:58:02 am
Cheers, all out of stock like very other Aussie supplier it seems. Looks like I'll be getting one from Hitchcocks UK!


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Reply #12 on: June 24, 2022, 10:59:32 pm
You're better off speaking directly to them, especially about pricing. The one thing I can tell you is that the last guy I sent there for Interceptor sprockets came away happy.  8)

I callled them. They no longer do custom built orders, and they do not make one that fits exactly.

They tried to sell me a KTM sprocket, stating that it happens to fit, but it’s a 520 and not a 525. Not sure I want to do that. Still looking like ordering from overseas is the best bet, at 3x or 4x the price though.
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Reply #13 on: June 25, 2022, 01:09:55 am
I callled them. They no longer do custom built orders, and they do not make one that fits exactly.

They tried to sell me a KTM sprocket, stating that it happens to fit, but it’s a 520 and not a 525. Not sure I want to do that. Still looking like ordering from overseas is the best bet, at 3x or 4x the price though.
That number refers to the space between the chain plates because of the thickness of the plates. The pitch is the same.
The size difference on a chain can matter to life span but on a counter shaft sprocket made out of good steel ... I doubt you could ever notice the difference.
Any appreciable weight savings is found in the chain weight not the front sprocket (steel to steel). If you decide to go with the KTM sprocket make sure it is a steel one. Did he say which year. model and displacement for the KTM? That knowledge could help you find a 530 domestically from another source.
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Reply #14 on: June 25, 2022, 01:50:23 am
That number refers to the space between the chain plates because of the thickness of the plates. The pitch is the same.
The size difference on a chain can matter to life span but on a counter shaft sprocket made out of good steel ... I doubt you could ever notice the difference.
Any appreciable weight savings is found in the chain weight not the front sprocket (steel to steel). If you decide to go with the KTM sprocket make sure it is a steel one. Did he say which year. model and displacement for the KTM? That knowledge could help you find a 530 domestically from another source.

My understanding is that out chain is a 525. I know a 520 sprocket will work, but I also have been led to believe it can reduce chain life to run the wrong size sprocket and chain.

He said to put in a 2005 KTM 450 sf-x on the website.

I searched around for other aftermarket ktm sprockets for that bike that might be a 525 and came up with nothing.
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Reply #15 on: June 25, 2022, 03:13:41 pm
I ordered mine from Hitchcocks, $48, had it in a week to Alabama, very happy!!
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Reply #16 on: June 25, 2022, 08:45:38 pm
I ordered mine from Hitchcocks, $48, had it in a week to Alabama, very happy!!

I did the same last night. I finally gave up.
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Reply #17 on: June 27, 2022, 12:52:38 am
$48 seems a bit steep for a front sprocket. I wonder where they get them?

In Reply #2 of https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/index.php?action=post;quote=396223;topic=32397.0
50-29055-16S - Front Sprocket for Royal Enfield Himalayan, Continental 650 GT, Interceptor 650, 525 Chain, 16 Teeth.

I found this one, also from the UK for $19.58 USD plus $7.36 shipping, but it won't arrive until the end of July at best.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/402066184930?hash=item5d9d031ae2:g:Gh0AAOSwASRfhMT~&vxp=mtr
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Reply #18 on: June 27, 2022, 02:37:13 pm
I ordered mine from Hitchcocks, $48, had it in a week to Alabama, very happy!!

Ha ha I did the same for oil filters.  Ordered three and paid a shitload in shipping to Canada.  But once you have several hours invested looking for a reliable domestic source, just getting exactly what you want from a known supplier starts to look like a bargain even if the effective premium is 50% or more.  In the end it's still not much money compared to tires, insurance, etc.  Hitchcocks is great.


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Reply #19 on: June 27, 2022, 07:24:31 pm
I ordered my filters on ebay from india, 5 for 50 bucks.
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Reply #20 on: June 30, 2022, 03:49:41 am
I ordered my filters on ebay from india, 5 for 50 bucks.

Just got myself 5 for $38.82 all inclusive. But they're on a very slow boat.
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Reply #21 on: July 07, 2022, 12:18:26 am
My order for 5 Mahle oil filters arrived today, so much for August 4! I received them on the 9th day, highly recommended.
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Reply #22 on: July 07, 2022, 12:41:59 am
I callled them. They no longer do custom built orders, and they do not make one that fits exactly.

They tried to sell me a KTM sprocket, stating that it happens to fit, but it’s a 520 and not a 525. Don't do a 520, it's not the same width afaik


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Reply #23 on: July 07, 2022, 09:49:05 am
Correct, widths are different from 520, 525 & 530. 530 being the widest link. These are all the same length pin to pin per link though.
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Reply #24 on: August 03, 2022, 04:24:33 am
Some interesting info arrived with my 16t sprocket today. Bought from eBay as mentioned above it came with an invoice from Brooks Barn Parts in the UK www.brooksbarn.com
It's an Esjot brand made in Germany
The package has a QR code on it that brings me to their website searching for all applications for this sprocket 50-29055-16S

There are a ton of bikes listed that apparently use this same sprocket.
https://www.esjot.com/de/motorrad/suche.html?search=50-29055-16S

Ok, that list is not all bikes that use this sprocket, the page is a little hard to load on my phone, but now that I've scanned that QR code and have the link, I can have a look at it on my laptop...brb
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Reply #25 on: August 03, 2022, 04:33:59 am
Are those listing saying they are using a 16t sprocket or is it just saying that 16t sprocket would fit on those bikes?

It lists the 350 meteor on the list. If thats using a 16t sprocket maybe we can just get one of those??
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Reply #26 on: August 03, 2022, 04:47:48 am
Nope, i was hopeful but looking at it now with a browser that can translate German to English, and using a larger screen....

my conclusion is this:

https://www.esjot.com/de/motorrad/suche.html?gearoption=r&search=50-29055-16S

which is what I thought all along, that's why I bought a 16t sprocket for a Himalayan for my Interceptor in the first place.
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Reply #27 on: August 03, 2022, 02:50:29 pm
Hitchcocks has the rubber. I have not inspected the stocker, does it also have the rubber damper? Does it matter or is the solid steel OK? Too late for me anyway, ordered the Hitchcock.
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Reply #28 on: August 05, 2022, 03:49:16 am
The rubber is there to deal with a vibration or a whine or something. A sprocket will work without it, but some of us might hear the difference.
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Reply #29 on: August 05, 2022, 04:18:30 am
The rubber ring on the Hitchcock sprocket is too small to touch the chain.  It may be the same size ring as on the 15t.  Which begs the question why bother? 
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Reply #30 on: August 05, 2022, 05:13:22 am
The rubber ring on the Hitchcock sprocket is too small to touch the chain. 

Not supposed to..


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Reply #31 on: August 05, 2022, 07:10:13 am
And yet on the 15t I took off it did.  The ring has the imprint of the side plates all the way around. 
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Reply #32 on: August 05, 2022, 07:33:12 am
Same for me OE sprocket had the chain touching the rubber, the Hitchcock 16T not so.
I assume it is Hitcocks doing the same as most suppliers, getting it cheap from China without too much quality control.

"Rubber cushioned sprockets have been standard fitment on Japanese motorcycle manufacturers on larger capacity motorcycles since the early 1990’s to dampen the chain impact on the teeth of the front sprocket.
JT sprockets now offer selected replacement front sprockets with the same OEM proven technology.
Benefits include
Tough rubber damper which significantly reduces transmission noise.
Improved wear resistance and reduced vibration that will help extend both sprocket and chain life."
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Reply #33 on: August 05, 2022, 11:26:41 am
Same for me OE sprocket had the chain touching the rubber, the Hitchcock 16T not so.
I assume it is Hitcocks doing the same as most suppliers, getting it cheap from China without too much quality control.

"Rubber cushioned sprockets have been standard fitment on Japanese motorcycle manufacturers on larger capacity motorcycles since the early 1990’s to dampen the chain impact on the teeth of the front sprocket.
JT sprockets now offer selected replacement front sprockets with the same OEM proven technology.
Benefits include
Tough rubber damper which significantly reduces transmission noise.
Improved wear resistance and reduced vibration that will help extend both sprocket and chain life."
Not supposed to..
That small piece of bonded rubber is one of the more misunderstood technologies in motorcycling.
Both posts here are correct. Although, the author of the sprocket brochure could have given a more meaningful description if they had the space and Hoiho could have phrased it as, "They don't HAVE TO".
_ Let's see if I can add to the confusion. That metal disc, the coutershaft sprocket, sits at the intersection of the transmission and the final drive system. The transmission is packed with steel to steel teeth making contact with each other at a high frequency. The sprocket, itself, is making steel to steel contact with 110 pins, also at a high, albeit lower, frequency.  Harmonics (sound) is created.
The sprocket becomes a cymbal.That rubber is acting as a dampener, not as a cushion. As an over simplification imagine riding around with two bells in the trunk of your car. One has layers of duct tape covering both sides of that bell. The difference is obvious.
_ As for the rubber getting cut away on the sprocket ... it just gets cut until it is no longer being struck by the side plates of the chain. After the first few X number of miles any "cushioning" of the chain is gone. In the manufacturing of sprockets, I'm guessing that a single die size is used for making the rubber discs that might cover say 14-17 tooth units.
_ Back to the sound deadening, look to how a two-stack cymbal note is ended. The drummer steps on a foot pedal pressing the centers of each to touch which stops the rims of the cymbals from vibrating. You get the picture.
_ As for wear, a non-dampened sprocket is moving (vibrating) more side to side across the rollers of the chain, scraping the surfaces of both the teeth and rollers. Just a tiny, tiny amount but at a force based on the conflict of load vs power. It adds up over the course of revolutions for say 25,000 miles.
It is as simple as duct tape on a bell.
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Reply #34 on: August 05, 2022, 05:12:15 pm

_ Let's see if I can add to the confusion. That metal disc, the coutershaft sprocket, sits at the intersection of the transmission and the final drive system. The transmission is packed with steel to steel teeth making contact with each other at a high frequency. The sprocket, itself, is making steel to steel contact with 110 pins, also at a high, albeit lower, frequency.  Harmonics (sound) is created.
The sprocket becomes a cymbal.That rubber is acting as a dampener, not as a cushion. As an over simplification imagine riding around with two bells in the trunk of your car. One has layers of duct tape covering both sides of that bell. The difference is obvious.
_ As for the rubber getting cut away on the sprocket ... it just gets cut until it is no longer being struck by the side plates of the chain. After the first few X number of miles any "cushioning" of the chain is gone. In the manufacturing of sprockets, I'm guessing that a single die size is used for making the rubber discs that might cover say 14-17 tooth units.
_ Back to the sound deadening, look to how a two-stack cymbal note is ended. The drummer steps on a foot pedal pressing the centers of each to touch which stops the rims of the cymbals from vibrating. You get the picture.
_ As for wear, a non-dampened sprocket is moving (vibrating) more side to side across the rollers of the chain, scraping the surfaces of both the teeth and rollers. Just a tiny, tiny amount but at a force based on the conflict of load vs power. It adds up over the course of revolutions for say 25,000 miles.
It is as simple as duct tape on a bell.
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So does it really make a real world difference on our bikes if the rubber is there or not?
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Reply #35 on: August 05, 2022, 05:52:30 pm

So does it really make a real world difference on our bikes if the rubber is there or not?
I have never tried a non-rubber sprocket on my RE. I did on my DL100A. The V-Strom came with a rubber dampened CS sprok. At the first change, I went with a plain sprocket. At the next change I went through the effort to get a dampened sprocket. For the very small difference in price, it was just plain "nicer" with the rubber. Nothing broke, nobody was born, nobody died, but I did the change back to rubber sooner than I really needed to.
_ So that doesn't really answer your question,as asked. It is subjective to how attuned one is to sound and vibration. I could feel a difference in both on the V-2. Not horrible but...
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