[Arschloch]

Where do you think hydrogen comes from?

From the big bang of course.

[Richard230]

Where do you think hydrogen comes from?

Politicians.   

[GlennF]

Problem with Hydrogen is people keep making bombs out of it.

[AzCal Retred]

Where do you think hydrogen comes from?

Nucleosynthesis..quarks and nucleons getting "mucho friendly" in the early days, like Adam & Steve...er...Eve. Just like King James sez. "If'n it tain't King James, it hain't Bah-ble."

@ #957: Great info. Non-pressurized H2 storage is quite a trick.

" Maybe before sinking trillions of dollars into this new hydrogen storage facility technology " If the Pentagon has had its black-budget hooks in this for 10 years, likely somewhere in Nebraska there's already a functional test unit.
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[Arschloch]

The marketing of this may produce excessive amounts of fart gasses though which may label it unfortunately obsolete.

[AzCal Retred]

CH4 is "mucho differente" than pure H2, like the difference between Bud Light & Negra Modelo. Both have their uses, but we all know which we prefer. There may be a thriving side market develop for old reel-to-reel, cassette & 8-track tape machines though.

[Arschloch]

The common thing would be both are in short supply. 

[viczena]

No, LNG (CH4) is not in short supply. If you make fracking legal again, you will get more than you will ever need.

[Arschloch]

No, LNG (CH4) is not in short supply. If you make fracking legal again, you will get more than you will ever need.

That might be correct however it would appear our leadership would rather prefer to find a place to import it from.

[AzCal Retred]

...is that the sound of one wing dragging?? 

[NVDucati]

Understand / don't disagree.
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 Remember back in time when we would mount the centerstand while sitting on the bike? It was the same(ish) motion
_ I just have this deep suspicion that a E-reverse would be very helpful. I've actually sent CSC an email asking if they have tried it. Hoping for an answer if they aren't scared off by today's world. I guess I could troll one of the biker lunch spots and find a couple of spotters and a human reverse motor and try it on my 650. huh.

Just to close the loop on a goofy idea:
CSC did reply to my email. I'm not posting the name and phone number of the individual nor the full text out of respect. The answer was a bit of a wink and a nudge.
He basically said that there is nothing to stop it from working.
"The reverse will operate while the center stand is being lowered.  There is no safety cut off switch on the center stand so reverse is available."

 

[AzCal Retred]

Sounds like a possible "Hey guys, watch this..." scenario!    Job #1 is to get a handful of lottery tickets, at $10K that's a steep buy in for a 100 mile range motorcycle. But if the play money box is full enough, it doesn't matter. 

[Arschloch]

...is that the sound of one wing dragging?? 

...more of an Icarus, there is no way forward as nobody can deliver the slightest poop with a price cap on it and the way back is effectively blocked. Just wait for the landing.

[AzCal Retred]

" nobody can deliver "; more like won't because it's way too profitable to just keep on doing what we're doing. Energy storage is is deliberately ignored and marginalized. It's more profitable to sell all new hardware to the technically-declined than adjust the fuel supply to incorporate renewable sources. Batteries are a great tool, but have weight & size limitations compared to liquid hydrocarbon fuels. There isn't a plan to cover the electrical energy usage of an all-battery-electric transportation network; you're in essence trying to create in real time a system that can deliver the same energy capacity as that released by the energy currently stored in hydrocarbon fuels. If the idea is to enrich the Utilities and auto makers, it's a good one. It took a lot of well-paid lobbyists to get it from brilliant corporate idea to public law. The all-electric transport energy demand is fuelled from fossil power plants at least 14 hours a day because there wasn't any energy storage developed. Electricity doesn't spontaneously come out of wall plugs, it has to be made to happen. Mostly that's from burning hydrocarbon fuels. Pushing usage off one step doesn't mean it isn't happening. Wind & PV are of limited application without utility-grade energy storage, lucky break for the existing petro cartels.

[GlennF]

Batteries are a great tool, but have weight & size limitations compared to liquid hydrocarbon fuels.

The cost of replacement batteries will be a big issue.  By all accounts replacing a battery pack will be more expensive than rebuilding an ic engine and will be needed more often. If you treat a modern car well you can get 15 or 20 years before needing any major engine work. No current battery tech is going to last 20 years.

It may well get to the point that the price of a 2nd hand car will depend on how many Hobbs hours the battery pack has, much like an older 2nd hand aircraft where the price can range from $25,000 to $50,000 depending entirely on how many hours the engine has before the next major maintenance.