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on: November 29, 2020, 09:07:51 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSA_Company
Mahindra Group
In October 2016, Mahindra Group of India bought BSA for £3.4 million.[1] Mahindra Group makes small-capacity motorcycles and scooters in India, through its subsidiary Mahindra Two Wheelers. Mahindra Group also owns a majority stake in France's Peugeot Motocycles, and it has reintroduced JAWA motorcycles in India launching two models, Jawa and Jawa 42, while they will launch another model Perak by mid next year.


Mahindra To Launch BSA Motorcycle In The UK – Likely To Get Jawa Based Engine ; NOVEMBER 17, 2020
https://www.rushlane.com/bsa-motorcycles-classic-legends-uk-assembly-12383621.html
>>>>  This suggests that the product is likely to be a medium displacement retro-classic roadster commanding a premium over comparable Royal Enfield products. Coincidentally, the recently launched Jawa in Czech Republic by Mahindra Classic Legends, is priced in a similar range. Price of Jawa in Europe starts from €6k (approx Rs 5.23L). It is possible Mahindra uses the Jawa based engine for their BSA range of motorcycles. Jawa currently has two single cylinder engine options on offer – one is a 295cc unit while the other is a 334cc unit.m <<<<


Mahindra revives BSA brand to make electric motorbikes in UK; NOVEMBER 16, 2020
https://www.ft.com/content/76d67754-1ba6-4dbc-ab1e-8da232f47284
>>> Production of the first new BSA bike, which uses an internal combustion engine, is set to begin next summer, with the battery bike to follow at the end of the year. The facility expects to have the capacity to make more than 10,000 models a year.
BSA plans to export more than 80 per cent of the bikes made at the site, with the aim of tapping into demand for the marque in the US, Australia and Japan. <<<


https://www.royalenfields.com/2020/11/that-60s-bsa-of-your-dreams-is-back-and.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+royalenfields/qqMm+(Royal+Enfield+Motorcycles)

--That '60s BSA of your dreams is back, and it's beautiful--
>>> But John spotted another competitor on its way. There's a company that actually built some of those great old BSAs, under license, under the brand name Meguro. It's Kawasaki. John found a video of a spectacular new Meguro K3 coming in February, 2021 to the Japanese home market.
This is a new motorcycle that looks so much like its namesake of the 1960s that I briefly had trouble telling it apart from an original in a photo of them side-by-side on stage.
But let John explain. He has been telling me about the return of Meguro to the U.S. market since at least 2019, when Kawasaki filed trademark applications for the name Meguro in the U.S., Australia, New Zealand, Europe and the Philippines. Here's what he wrote me, in January, 2019:

"Meguro is the forerunner company of today's Kawasaki Motorcycles. They made under license BSA A7 and A10 models that (a BSA executive) said were every bit as good if not better than the UK-manufactured ones.

"Kawasaki has been building their W800 for a number of years and it never had a true 'fit' in Kawasaki's marketing plans, sold in small numbers in Europe's niche market and never made any sort of dent in the U.S. market. The current standard version (sold mainly in Europe not in North America) W800 is a dead copy of a late 1960s BSA Spitfire.

"And why not? Kawasaki's W650 and W800 have been unabashed BSA clones for years and every retro motorcycle enthusiast knows it. Now they have a bike, a very very good bike, that's been in production for years and they are going for broke into the retro market. With only some 'badge engineering,' that W800 and Kawasaki's reputation has the potential to put the screws to any retro Mahindra BSA and Royal Enfield had better cast their future plans with an eye on this."

In February, 2019, John added this:

"Because the Meguro has the real pedigree of  'made under license' BSA,  Kawasaki will thwart Mahindra from being successful in relaunching their brand engineering badged BSA just by giving the facts to the riding/buying public.

"The other stone is the sheer size of Kawasaki's total operation including their North American dealer network. They are way bigger than anybody else and can move products far quicker with greater accessibility than anyone else. No, they are NOT 'partners on the road.' They are the competition and have the potential to make things very challenging; especially fielding a machine that's been in constant production with periodic upgrades for nearly 60 years."

John's "partners on the road" reference is to Royal Enfield boss Siddhartha Lal's oft welcoming statements about competition in the market for retro looking motorcycles.

Lal commented recently that "imitation and trying to copy doesn't work, it just boosts the original. It's in a way them saying that 'we're putting our hands up and we can't do it, and so (we) will copy you.'"
John's point is that no copying is necessary for Kawasaki, with a motorcycle (the W800) developed from the BSA  and only in need of a classic old name on the tank to secure its identity. Again, in February, 2019, he wrote:
"The solution I'll bet they came up with was to resurrect Meguro as the banner under which these bikes will be produced and marketed. Parts and machines sub assemblies are already in production and this was done with the stroke of a pen and a filing fee. Folks at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business would be proud."

He added: "Now if I were Royal Enfield,  trademarking Constellation and Super Meteor monikers now makes a lot of sense...  The clock's ticking and your competition has awoken."

In August, 2019, John reminded me: "And at the end of the day, Kawasaki has the real BSA pedigree." <<<


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meguro_motorcycles

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2020/november/kawasaki-revives-historic-meguro-brand
>>> Now, more than 50 years later, the Meguro badge is back. Kawasaki has unveiled the Meguro K3 in Japan – directly following on from the Meguro K2, which was an improved version of the original, BSA A7-based Meguro K and the first machine to be developed under Kawasaki’s ownership of the brand.
To us, the new K3 is familiar, as it’s almost identical to the existing W800. It completes the circle, as the W800 is the latest evolution of the 1999 W650, which was developed as a tribute to the 1960s Kawasaki W, which itself was a rebranded Meguro K2…
Kawasaki Heavy Industries last month spun-off Kawasaki Motorcycle and Engine as a separate business, still owned by KHI, to give it more organisational freedom, and we could be seeing a move to expand Kawasaki’s appeal by using multiple brand names. We’ve seen similar things in the car world before, with Toyota launching Lexus as its luxury brand and companies like the VW Group owning vast numbers of brand names to attack different niches of the market. Kawasaki now has Meguro at its disposal – ideal for retro machines – and its large share in Bimota means it has a potential high-end brand to use on expensive machines that would benefit from a more exotic name.  <<<

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Reply #1 on: November 29, 2020, 02:23:49 pm
Funny. I don’t remember a vertical shaft on any of my BSAs.
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Reply #2 on: November 29, 2020, 06:44:31 pm
Perhaps they should try and get their old A10 copy to jump through all the hoops.

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Reply #3 on: November 29, 2020, 07:02:09 pm
Wasn't that the Taglioni-variant BSA? ;D
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Reply #4 on: December 02, 2020, 05:22:19 am
BSA to produce motorcycles again after almost 50 years
 MF Hutchins, November 25, 2020 04:17
https://www.motopinas.com/motorcycle-news/bsa-motorcycles-will-return-in-2021.html

BSA bikes to return to the road in 2021; 20 November 2020
https://www.hagerty.com/media/motorcycles/bsa-bikes-to-return-to-the-road-in-2021/
The first of the new-born BSA is set to be priced at less than $13,000.

( OHC design, driven by Link-plate chain NOT bevel-shaft like the 650 & 800)
https://shifting-gears.com/kawasaki-starts-testing-w175-motorcycle-in-india-will-be-their-cheapest-model/
The Classic Legends PVT LTD which is owned by Mahindra acquired BSA Motorcycles in 2016. Classic Legends has also in the recent past revived the Jawa Motorcycle brand in the Indian market which recently announced crossing of the 50,000 sales landmark in just 12 months of operation. If Mahindra brings the new BSA Motorcycle brand in the Indian market, it is likely to compete with the modern-classic range of motorcycles such as the Royal Enfield 350cc range, Honda’s classic CB series, Benelli Imperiale and the upcoming Kawasaki W175.

Kawasaki starts testing W175 motorcycle in India, will be their cheapest model
https://shifting-gears.com/2021-jeep-compass-revealed-with-updated-design-and-more-features/
Internationally, the Kawasaki W175 is powered by a 177cc single-cylinder, an air-cooled four-stroke counter-balanced engine with carburetted fuel delivery that makes 13.05 hp of power and 13.2 Nm of torque matched to a 5-speed manual gearbox. The India-spec W175 will come with fuel-injection technology and ABS as standard.
The Kawasaki W175 will be the second “W” motorcycle in the brand India portfolio, after the W800 which comes with similar design attributes and features a Bevel Gear Cam Drive on the engine. The Kawasaki W175 is expected to be launched around the INR 1.50 lakh mark in the Indian market. It will compete with the likes of the Royal Enfield Classic, Honda H’ness CB350, Jawa Classic & Forty-Two and the Benelli Imperiale. The Kawasaki W175 is expected to arrive in India early next year.
https://kawasakileisurebikes.ph/motorcycles/heritage-models/w175/#show-content






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Reply #5 on: December 02, 2020, 02:10:30 pm
Any Kawasaki 175 needs a 2-stroke engine in my opinion.   ;D
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Reply #6 on: December 02, 2020, 04:12:52 pm
Like this one? ; :)

Checkpoint ; MY 1972 F7 KAWASAKI 175 DUAL-SPORT ; 100 MPH ON A 175 ; By Matt Cuddy
http://articles.superhunky.com/4/133
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Reply #7 on: December 02, 2020, 10:22:05 pm
Like this one? ; :)

Checkpoint ; MY 1972 F7 KAWASAKI 175 DUAL-SPORT ; 100 MPH ON A 175 ; By Matt Cuddy
http://articles.superhunky.com/4/133

That is the one. But I don't recall any that would hit 100 mph on level ground.  ;)
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Reply #8 on: December 03, 2020, 07:25:04 am
Hmmm....maybe you're not one of those 105 pound jockey size riders... ;D

Street tires...clip ons...proper gearing...rider blended into the paint...slight downhill/tailwind...optimistic speedo...45 year old memories? ;)
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Reply #9 on: December 03, 2020, 07:57:06 pm
Even 250s couldn't crack the ton (through timing lights not speedo reading) until the Suzuki X7 was launched in 1978. For a 175 production road bike to do a genuine 100 MPH it would need a hell of of lot of tuning work and lightening and a lightweight jockey in racing leathers flat on the tank down an airfield runway - probably with a tailwind!
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Reply #10 on: December 12, 2020, 12:14:22 am
Billionaire Anand Mahindra Plans to Resurrect Once-Beloved British Motorcycle Maker BSA
https://robbreport.com/motors/motorcycles/anand-mahindra-revive-bsa-electric-motorcycles-1234581935/

Indian billionaire Anand Mahindra is planning to bring back iconic British motorcycle brand BSA after it went bankrupt in the 1970s
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8955089/Indian-billionaire-Anand-Mahindra-planning-bring-iconic-British-motorcycle-brand-BSA.html
Indian billionaire Anand Mahindra has announced plans to bring back iconic British motorcycle brand BSA, promising he would 'do justice' the historic bikes.
The billionaire chairman of Mahindra Group has said that he hopes the first bikes could start rolling off a production line somewhere near BSA's old factory in Small Heath, Birmingham, by the middle of next year. 
Mr Mahindra also hopes to soon start building a research facility in Banbury, Oxfordshire, where electric motorcycles will be developed, he told the Guardian.
The first production will be of classic fossil-fuel burning bikes, but by the end of 2021 Mr Mahindra hopes that BSA electric bikes could hit roads.
Mr Mahindra told the newspaper: 'The UK was the leader in bikes right from the start,' 'That provenance is something that we really want to retain.'
Last week Mahindra & Mahindra announced that its subsidiary BSA Company Limited, UK, had bought three companies from BSA Regal Group.
Anand Mahindra has an estimated wealth of $1.7billion (£1.3bn), according to Forbes magazine.
It is not the first time that the billionaire, who made his fortune through the vehicle maker, has promised to bring back the brand after buying BSA Company Limited in October 2016.
On Christmas Day in 2017 he tweeted a picture of Father Christmas on a BSA bike, writing: 'We're sorry you've missed out on your favourite ride for all these years, Santa...We're working on getting it back for you...A shiny new one, but with all the character of your old steed.'
And on Monday the billionaire tweeted that the new venture would 'do justice' to the history of BSA motorbikes.
The UK government has awarded the BSA Company a £4.6million grant to develop electric bikes, in the hope of creating at least 255 jobs in and around Oxfordshire.
The new BSA bikes with traditional engines will cost between £5,000 and £10,000, the Guardian reported.
The company is wary about being hit with tariffs after Brexit.
It believes that it can tap into the desire that people will have to travel when lockdown finally ends.
It hopes to build a new factory close to the old Small Heath site.

Tycoon Anand Mahindra sets BSA on the comeback trail
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tycoon-anand-mahindra-sets-bsa-on-the-comeback-trail-q9shwhkk0
An Indian tycoon has pledged to breathe new life into one of Britain’s motorcycle marques by restarting production of BSA bikes.
Anand Mahindra, chairman of Mahindra Group, is leading a plan to restart production by the BSA Company, which has been dormant for nearly 50 years. Construction of a research and design centre in Banbury, Oxfordshire, is due to begin, with a view to producing traditional and electric motorbikes. Assembly of bikes could begin next year and Mr Mahindra hopes to help to “resurrect the British motorbike industry”.





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Reply #11 on: December 13, 2020, 07:36:07 am
https://www.classic-british-motorcycles.com/bsa-mahindra.html

BSA-Mahindra ; The Deal of the Century
BSA-MAHINDRA UPDATE, December 9, 2020
When Indian tractor giant Mahindra & Mahindra (M&M) bought the old BSA brand for $5.4 Million USD in October 2016, they had big, ambitious plans to launch the revived brand as an upscale retro bike for the US and European markets. Now, 4 years later, we're still waiting. What happened?
Around the same time, Mahindra bought the legendary Jawa brand, also with big plans to launch a new line of bikes, including retro, sport bikes, and even custom-styled bobbers. When they announced the Perak bobber in 2018, so many orders poured in that the website crashed. It took a full 2 years to bring the Perak to production, due to production problems, a delay that caused many customers to cancel their orders in frustration.
The customers weren't the only ones getting frustrated. Mahindra leadership has been lamenting the move in the motorcycle business, which means that BSA may be on permanent hold. Who knows? The market for revivals of classic motorcycle brands is certainly red hot right now. Of course Triumph leads the way as always, but also Norton, Bultaco, Brough, Hesketh and Matchless have all been granted a second life.
WHAT WOULD THE BSA-MAHINDRAs LOOK LIKE?
That's a loaded question, and no one outside of Mahindra seems to know. But there is a lot of speculation. Designer Lee Thompson worked for BSA before the Mahindra buy-out, and this is the latest morsel of gold that he just sent me, above. He calls it the Gold Star Guardsman. Obviously a modern, water-cooled bike, but it has a very retro look.


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Reply #12 on: December 13, 2020, 11:09:28 am
I don't think anything with a GP carb will be getting through the emissions regs any time soon, unless that's Lee Thompson's sense of humo(u)r.

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Reply #13 on: December 13, 2020, 02:14:51 pm
I don't think anything with a GP carb will be getting through the emissions regs any time soon, unless that's Lee Thompson's sense of humo(u)r.

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Reply #14 on: December 17, 2020, 08:25:42 am
New 17 Dec 2020 posting: New post, but must be a member to view. Still, even during dark times for Brexit there is some interest in the Mahindra-BSA deal... ;)

https://www.businessinsider.com/mahindra-relaunching-bsa-motorcycles-as-electric-brand-2020-12
"Mahindra's chairman explains why he's relaunching an iconic motorcycle brand in the UK — with electric bikes coming in 2021"
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