[Mr_84]

This is really interesting news if not gobb smacking ,Triumph have announced they plan to build MX and Enduro bikes, they have the likes of Ricky Carmichael multiple AMA Supercross and MX champ helping develop the bikes. Watch this space , i cant wait to see what comes of this

[AzCal Retred]

I guess the real question is which Chinese KTM/SWM knockoff motor will power their effort? Frame development & suspension change all the time, but the Chinese clones are cheap & make adequate power. I'm betting Triumph just outsources the whole production end, running the competition teams for R&D and publicity purposes.

https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/for-the-ride/racing/official-announcement-mx-enduro

[Karl Childers]

To come out and be competitive with the big four from Japan and KTM will take some doing, they sure will have their work cut out for them, I wish them luck.

[zimmemr]

To come out and be competitive with the big four from Japan and KTM will take some doing, they sure will have their work cut out for them, I wish them luck.

You took the words right out of my mouth. While I wish Triumph nothing but the best, the big four, not to mention KTM, Husky, Beta and Gas-Gas have set a very high bar. The worst of them are so good that it's almost silly to think a company without any current off-road experiance could hope to compete. If Triumph can build a competitive MX bike I might be tempted to buy one and race the super senior class.
The attached is my last Triumph MX bike, #705, a T25 engine in a Cheney frame, it was the first bike I ever scored a win on!

[wr6133]

I guess the real question is which Chinese KTM/SWM knockoff motor will power their effort?

I reckon Bajaj, it's their Indian "partner".

[Mr_84]

You took the words right out of my mouth. While I wish Triumph nothing but the best, the big four, not to mention KTM, Husky, Beta and Gas-Gas have set a very high bar. The worst of them are so good that it's almost silly to think a company without any current off-road experiance could hope to compete. If Triumph can build a competitive MX bike I might be tempted to buy one and race the super senior class.
The attached is my last Triumph MX bike, #705, a T25 engine in a Cheney frame, it was the first bike I ever scored a win on!

awesome action shot picture of back in the day, in respect of the new potential triumph off road bikes all I can say is I hope to see something one day  , as of at this point we can't even see a concept drawing or prototype photo yet , long road ahead

[nicholastanguma]

I reckon Bajaj, it's their Indian "partner".

Wouldn't be surprised at all.  It's a bitter irony that modern mass manufacture motorcycles are technically proficient at levels yesteryear's engineers only dreamed of, but because modern mass manufacture motorcycles must be global products in order to be profitable they've got almost no national soul left.  A Triumph these days is a Thai or Indian bike, for instance, and a Matchless is a Chinese powered bike, a Jawa is an Indian bike, and etc etc.  As far I can think of at this moment, I think only Moto Guzzi, Ducati, Harley-Davidson, and Indian still retain their national identities in the mass manufacture arena.  Speaking of Indians, Royal Enfield is doing a terrific job of building their own national identity, I hope they can somehow manage to avoid going Chinese in the future.

[zimmemr]

I doubt Triumph will outsource the design, though where they manufacture the bikes will be anybodies guess. Current MX bikes are just to complicated and the class is so competitive that something like a hole shot device that's not as easy to engage as another manufacturers means a bike goes from first place in a shoot out to last. I'm not a huge MX fan, but I follow it enough to know that the technology literally evolves from race to race.

I think Triumph has thier work cut out for them, but hiring Carmichal to help develop the thing is a good first move. If nothing else he'll be able to tell them if the basic package is viable. It'll be interesting to see if they go for a 250 or 450 and whose suspension they'll chose. Kayaba? Ohlins? WP? The future is bright.

[Richard230]

So will Triumph be bringing back the 200 Tiger Cub or the 445 Victim dirt bikes? 

[zimmemr]

Don't forget the Cub was a very competitive Short track and scrambles bike, especially wihen ridden by guys like Gary Nixon and Yvon Duhamel (who also road raced one). Jeff Smith on the factory BSA won two world MX chanmpionships with a varient of the 441 Victor, (1964-1965) and I think he and John Banks were runners up with them a couple of times.

History aside I'm sure what ever Triumph comes up with will mimic and hopefully improve upon the current state of the art MX bikes. The filed is so close anything less than a maximum effort would be laughed off the track. I'm just as curious to see who they'll hire to ride the factory bikes. There's no shortage of young up and comers, and a few experianced guys tht will looking for seats during the silly season.

[Richard230]

Here is a link to an article published by Revzilla regarding this subject: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/triumph-to-launch-motocross-and-enduro-race-bike-lines