[RE_PDX]

I watched the following review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgM7CSZdLEE

It seems each version has its pros and cons. I understand that the previous generation Classic 350 wasn't brought to America because consumers here would opt for the Classic 500. I read there won't be a replacement of the Classic 500, so might we see the new Classic 350 stateside?

[20MarkIII]

It is my understanding that the RE Classic 350 will be available in the US next year.

[markm228]

It is my understanding that the RE Classic 350 will be available in the US next year.

That's my understanding too; my local RE dealer confirmed that's coming to the US. The only question is when. Whenver it gets here, if my finances allow, I'm going to get me one! I have a Meteor 350, and the Classic shares the same gem of an engine with it. I missed getting the Classic 500 when it was here, and I've been kicking myself every since. I WON'T make that mistake twice!

[RE_PDX]

That's my understanding too; my local RE dealer confirmed that's coming to the US. The only question is when. Whenver it gets here, if my finances allow, I'm going to get me one! I have a Meteor 350, and the Classic shares the same gem of an engine with it. I missed getting the Classic 500 when it was here, and I've been kicking myself every since. I WON'T make that mistake twice!

I made the same mistake. Last year I bought a Moto Guzzi V7 III, which I don't regret. The Royal Enfield Classic 500 was my runner up choice and there were still a few at dealerships. If I had known it was discontinued, I would have purchased it first. It won't let it happen again.

[RE_PDX]

The Signals trims make my heart race.

Signals Marsh Grey  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itOlOYhLbp0

Signals Desert Sand  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVUsvQgYNT8

[markm228]

I made the same mistake. Last year I bought a Moto Guzzi V7 III, which I don't regret. The Royal Enfield Classic 500 was my runner up choice and there were still a few at dealerships. If I had known it was discontinued, I would have purchased it first. It won't let it happen again.

My mistake was thinking that, since RE had produced the Bullet for decades, I thought that the Classic would stick around longer too. Like I said, I WON'T make that mistake again! When the new Classic comes out, I'm getting myself one...

[Bilgemaster]

I watched the following review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgM7CSZdLEE

It seems each version has its pros and cons. I understand that the previous generation Classic 350 wasn't brought to America because consumers here would opt for the Classic 500. I read there won't be a replacement of the Classic 500, so might we see the new Classic 350 stateside?

They did import a few 350 Iron Barrel Bullets to the USA in the '90s, but as you say, most preferred the 500s, leaving the 350s to gather cobwebs in the darker corners of dealer showrooms. So, they didn't even bother sending those 350s with the subsequent Unit Construction Engine to the Land of the Plastic Spork. They were, however, the much preferred capacity in their home market over the 500, and also found their way as exports to other lands like the UK and Australia. I imagine with their 650s picking up that "higher capacity" rung, Enfield's calculus is probably something along the lines of "Why bother offering a larger single?", at least for now. There's also talk of beefing up their Himalayan with their twin 650 engine by around 2024.

[RE_PDX]

The 2022 Royal Enfield Classic 350 has just been released in India and, as a Royal Enfield insider tells us, “Yes, it will be coming to the Americas.”

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2021/09/03/2022-royal-enfield-classic-350-first-look-9-fast-facts/

 

[Richard230]

The 2022 Royal Enfield Classic 350 has just been released in India and, as a Royal Enfield insider tells us, “Yes, it will be coming to the Americas.”

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2021/09/03/2022-royal-enfield-classic-350-first-look-9-fast-facts/

 

The fuel tank of the new Classic, which is said to have a half gallon less capacity than does the Meteor's tank, doesn't get my vote as an improvement. 

[Keef Sparrow]

The fuel tank of the new Classic, which is said to have a half gallon less capacity than does the Meteor's tank, doesn't get my vote as an improvement. 

Unfortunately that seems to be a growing trend with manufacturers - with many current models their fuel capacity is so low that you are looking to fill up after not much over a hundred miles. I would never buy a machine with such a small tank. I think producers these days perceive motorcycles as 'leisure' machines - weekend toys for posing around town where range isn't important. They think no one ever makes actual journeys on them or commutes - hence the trend for seats like planks as no one will actually be sitting on them for more than 30 minutes or so.

[RE_PDX]

Unfortunately that seems to be a growing trend with manufacturers - with many current models their fuel capacity is so low that you are looking to fill up after not much over a hundred miles...

What if someone is on a genuine road trip and it's 150 miles between gas stations?

[Dexter]

What if someone is on a genuine road trip and it's 150 miles between gas stations?

Then you would be thankful that your smaller RE bike is easy to push! 

That's one problem I never faced with my ST1100. With its 7.5 gallon tank, I could do 300 miles no sweat.

[markm228]

Guys,

Based on my initial experience with the Meteor 350, the fuel economy is PHENOMENAL! I get 75-80 mpg with mine. The worst I ever got was the low 60s when I forgot that our city was having an Italian food fest recently, and I got caught in the traffic; I was doing a fast walk in first gear till I got out of town. Even then, I got 60+ mpg. The Meteor has about a 4 gallon tank (3.96 to be exact); even at 70 mpg, you're looking at close to 280 miles of range; at 80 mpg, you're looking at 320 miles. Any bike with over 200 miles of range is fine with me.

Since the Classic 350 will be sharing the same engine, I expect the fuel economy to be similar to that of the Meteor 350. Sure, it has half a gallon less capacity, but even then, you're looking at 245 miles of range at 70 mpg; at 80 mpg, that goes up to 280 miles. Sure, the Classic 350 won't have a big tank, but with the way that gem of an engine sips fuel, you don't NEED a big tank! That's the BEAUTY of RE's new gem of an engine! It sips gas almost like a moped does. The question is: will your bladder hold out longer than the fuel tank does?

When I got my Meteor, I wasn't looking at range; I wasn't planning to do a lot of road trips, so long range isn't an issue. The vast majority of my rides are 1-2 hour jaunts on the local back roads on a nice day, with an occasional day trip thrown in. The Meteor 350 is fine for what I want a bike to do, and I expect the Classic 350 meet all my mission requirements too. Those are my thoughts...

[Keef Sparrow]

Based on my initial experience with the Meteor 350, the fuel economy is PHENOMENAL! I get 75-80 mpg with mine. The worst I ever got was the low 60s when I forgot that our city was having an Italian food fest recently, and I got caught in the traffic; I was doing a fast walk in first gear till I got out of town. Even then, I got 60+ mpg. The Meteor has about a 4 gallon tank (3.96 to be exact); even at 70 mpg, you're looking at close to 280 miles of range; at 80 mpg, you're looking at 320 miles. Any bike with over 200 miles of range is fine with me.

Since the Classic 350 will be sharing the same engine, I expect the fuel economy to be similar to that of the Meteor 350. Sure, it has half a gallon less capacity, but even then, you're looking at 245 miles of range at 70 mpg; at 80 mpg, that goes up to 280 miles. Sure, the Classic 350 won't have a big tank, but with the way that gem of an engine sips fuel, you don't NEED a big tank! That's the BEAUTY of RE's new gem of an engine! It sips gas almost like a moped does. The question is: will your bladder hold out longer than the fuel tank does?

To be honest I would have expected better fuel consumption figures for the new 350 engine, although to be fair it sounds like much of your mileage is urban? Are you talking US gallons or UK? 80 MPG is pretty normal for the 500 Bullet in the UK with it's older less sophisticated engine. I have recorded 83 MPG and over 260 miles from one tankful with my 2020 500cc Bullet Trials.

[markm228]

To be honest I would have expected better fuel consumption figures for the new 350 engine, although to be fair it sounds like much of your mileage is urban? Are you talking US gallons or UK? 80 MPG is pretty normal for the 500 Bullet in the UK with it's older less sophisticated engine. I have recorded 83 MPG and over 260 miles from one tankful with my 2020 500cc Bullet Trials.

I'm talking US gallons, not Imperial. Stuart Fullingham, who has a YouTube channel and reviewed the Meteor, said that he observed 100 mpg; when that's adjusted to US gallons, it comes out to 83 mpg.

Secondly, I used to ride a Honda Helix scooter. It has a liquid cooled, understressed, 2 valve engine fed by a 28 mm carb. Its mileage was in the low to mid 70s, in spite of being a lighter vehicle vs. the Meteor. OTOH, it uses a CVT, not a true, manual transmission. Anyway, the Meteor's fuel economy BLOWS AWAY that of my old Helix! I'm quite satisfied with the Meteor's fuel economy.

Now, someone asked about going 150 miles between gas, or petrol, stations. I don't know where in the world someone would encounter those kinds of distances between fuel stops, but here in the US, the only places I know of where someone would see triple digit distances between gas stations is the southwestern US. I remember when my Navy buddy and I drove cross country, and there was a stretch of I-10 where there was 100-110 miles to the next station; that stretch crossed the Mojave Desert. In any case, there were prominent billboards telling drivers of this fact, and it would behoove them to refuel if needed. As thrifty as my Meteor is on fuel, if I had anything over half a tank, my Meteor would make it. However, being the conservative guy I am, I'd probably top off just to be sure...

I'm planning on taking a road trip next spring. I'm planning on riding from PA to FL on US highways. On the east coast, I don't expect to be going anywhere close to 100 miles between fuel stops. If I'm in a rural area and I only have 2-3 bars, I'll top off at the next station I see. Anyway, I'm not worried about my Meteor running out of gas.

[RE_PDX]

Now, someone asked about going 150 miles between gas, or petrol, stations. I don't know where in the world someone would encounter those kinds of distances between fuel stops, but here in the US, the only places I know of where someone would see triple digit distances between gas stations is the southwestern US. I remember when my Navy buddy and I drove cross country, and there was a stretch of I-10 where there was 100-110 miles to the next station; that stretch crossed the Mojave Desert. In any case, there were prominent billboards telling drivers of this fact, and it would behoove them to refuel if needed. As thrifty as my Meteor is on fuel, if I had anything over half a tank, my Meteor would make it. However, being the conservative guy I am, I'd probably top off just to be sure...

You're a mind reader! Being born and raised in Southern Cali, I was thinking of the Mojave Desert. There are long stretches of isolated highways, but I don't recall the distances between gas stations.

[Richard230]

You're a mind reader! Being born and raised in Southern Cali, I was thinking of the Mojave Desert. There are long stretches of isolated highways, but I don't recall the distances between gas stations.

Eastern Oregon is another area where gas stations can be over 150 miles apart.

[markm228]

Eastern Oregon is another area where gas stations can be over 150 miles apart.

That makes sense. I used to know a guy who talked about riding in the deserts out there; the way he talked, it sounded like a desolate place. For me, if I had any doubt about having enough fuel, I'd just top off. I'd rather have the extra fuel and not need it, vs. needing it and not having it... 

[RE_PDX]

Eastern Oregon is another area where gas stations can be over 150 miles apart.

It would be uncommon to drive 150 miles anywhere in Oregon and not come across a gas station, because there are many places with a population of a few hundred people that have a gas station. The challenge is that these gas stations aren't always open, so one may have to wait hours, if not until the next day, to fill up.

[LowEnd]

I just did a mixed city/country run and got 110mpg (imperial) (2.54 l/100km on a 400km trip) which I think is pretty awesome. I've got 3500 km on the clock so almost run in. The big problem is the fuel gauge, it reads empty when it's still a third full. Really annoying.

[markm228]

I just did a mixed city/country run and got 110mpg (imperial) (2.54 l/100km on a 400km trip) which I think is pretty awesome. I've got 3500 km on the clock so almost run in. The big problem is the fuel gauge, it reads empty when it's still a third full. Really annoying.

It's not just the Meteor that does that; I've noticed that other motorcycles and scooters with fuel guages do the same thing. My brother's old Suzuki Marauder 1600's low fuel light would go off after i'd used a mere gallon or so! When my Honda Helix was on the low fuel indicator (the last LED, which is red), I'd have 1-1.2 gallons left, and the tank took 3.2 gallons total. SO! Motorcycle guagues aren't accurate.

What I've done in the past is keep track of my mileage; if it were lower or higher than average, I'd note why, e.g. a lot of slow, city riding if the mileage was low. That would give me an average. Then, when I'd traveled 100-150 miles, I'd refuel. I'll do the same with the Meteor. I just LOVE how economical the bike is!

[Richard230]

It would be uncommon to drive 150 miles anywhere in Oregon and not come across a gas station, because there are many places with a population of a few hundred people that have a gas station. The challenge is that these gas stations aren't always open, so one may have to wait hours, if not until the next day, to fill up.

The issue that I was seeing about 15 or 20 years ago was that small gas stations in out-of-the-way towns in Eastern Oregon were closing in a number of locations. My guess is that they were being hit up by environment regulations that were requiring their fuel tanks to be replaced by new double-hulled tanks, new expensive emission equipment and various detectors to check for leaks.  All of that stuff is really expensive and I doubt those small mom-and-pop gas stations could afford to make those improvements and had to close, or convert their facilities to some other usage.

About five years after the gas stations closed, water drinking fountains started to be sealed and removed in many out-of-the-way forest service and state campgrounds and rest stops. I am pretty sure that was due to the expense of constantly having to check for contamination of the water which was drawn from local wells. Those public water sources were likely open for many, many years without anyone getting sick. But with the new government regulations that became effective a few years ago, now for sure no one can get sick - just thirsty. 

[RE_PDX]

I just did a mixed city/country run and got 110mpg (imperial) (2.54 l/100km on a 400km trip)...

Shouldn't it be 110mpk? 

[tooseevee]

The Signals trims make my heart race.

Signals Marsh Grey  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itOlOYhLbp0

Signals Desert Sand  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVUsvQgYNT8

        I know it's a small thing, but I don't think the headlight rims or the oval pod covers should be black on these colors.

[axman88]

I read there won't be a replacement of the Classic 500, so might we see the new Classic 350 stateside?

At a local motorcycle event about a month ago, a local RENA guy told me that RE definitely had a 500 cc version of the "J" OHC engine "in the works", ... that development was already underway.   Whether this means a future Classic 500, or when and if a 500 OHC will actually come, is difficult to say.

Probably 3 months after we all purchase OHC Classic 350s.

[LowEnd]

Shouldn't it be 110mpk? 

When I was growing up we changed from imperial to metric, and then we changed the way we did metric fuel consumption. I went from imperial mpg to km/litre to litres/100 km. Consequently I default to mpg which is nuts after 50 years.

And yes, the fuel gauge on my son's interceptor and my Nmax are rubbish. As a new biker I didn't realise how common this issue is. Surely there's a Nobel prize in it for some clever clogs engineer?

[RE_PDX]

When I was growing up we changed from imperial to metric, and then we changed the way we did metric fuel consumption. I went from imperial mpg to km/litre to litres/100 km. Consequently I default to mpg which is nuts after 50 years.

Actually, I attempted to be humorous, but now realize that I mixed up imperial and metric.

[markm228]

The 2022 Royal Enfield Classic 350 has just been released in India and, as a Royal Enfield insider tells us, “Yes, it will be coming to the Americas.”

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2021/09/03/2022-royal-enfield-classic-350-first-look-9-fast-facts/

 

Yeah, Baby!

[markm228]

At a local motorcycle event about a month ago, a local RENA guy told me that RE definitely had a 500 cc version of the "J" OHC engine "in the works", ... that development was already underway.   Whether this means a future Classic 500, or when and if a 500 OHC will actually come, is difficult to say.

Probably 3 months after we all purchase OHC Classic 350s.

Yeah, right! That would be just my luck...

[markm228]

When I was growing up we changed from imperial to metric, and then we changed the way we did metric fuel consumption. I went from imperial mpg to km/litre to litres/100 km. Consequently I default to mpg which is nuts after 50 years.

And yes, the fuel gauge on my son's interceptor and my Nmax are rubbish. As a new biker I didn't realise how common this issue is. Surely there's a Nobel prize in it for some clever clogs engineer?

I can relate to and understand km/l, but the l/100km is weird for me.

[supercub]

I'm waiting to see if a classic 500 will be offered.

[Dave1]

I'm very tempted by the new Classic 350, I had heard that there wasn't going to be another 500 single, so to read here that there is the possibility of a new 500 single on the horizon is good!

Will keep my ear to the ground now to see if any info gets leaked about the possible new 500.

[RE_PDX]

I'm very tempted by the new Classic 350, I had heard that there wasn't going to be another 500 single, so to read here that there is the possibility of a new 500 single on the horizon is good!

Will keep my ear to the ground now to see if any info gets leaked about the possible new 500.

I'm not a motorcycle expert, cars are my forte, but it seems the 500 existed when the 650 didn't. I feel that in Royal Enfield's interest in being more appealing to western markets, where larger displacement is preferred, they have moved on from the 500.

[20MarkIII]

Seems that RE's marketing has been successful by preannouncing new models. If a "new" 500 was in the works would not they let it be known? I'm wondering if perhaps a 500cc bike would simply be in competition with the 350 and 650 models rather than their intended goal of competing with other makes.
I heard recently that the 350cc segment comprises 60-70% of RE's production. The most popular size in their home market. I also think that they've gone all out with the 'new' 350 Classic with 5 distinct models and an array of colors. I like the Halcyon Green best. How about you all?

[Richard230]

Seems that RE's marketing has been successful by preannouncing new models. If a "new" 500 was in the works would not they let it be known? I'm wondering if perhaps a 500cc bike would simply be in competition with the 350 and 650 models rather than their intended goal of competing with other makes.
I heard recently that the 350cc segment comprises 60-70% of RE's production. The most popular size in their home market. I also think that they've gone all out with the 'new' 350 Classic with 5 distinct models and an array of colors. I like the Halcyon Green best. How about you all?

Personally, I think your analysis is correct. The only thing that might result in RE upgrading the 350 to a 500 is if there was significant demand for a faster model in the home market. My guess is that they are not seeing that demand right now and are happy with the sales of the 350 in India and the 650 models overseas. I also think that the 350 models will have a limited sales potential in both the EU and the U.S. due to its low top speed and that is why RE will likely beef up their 650 range with new versions like the 650 Himalayan.

[axman88]

Seems that RE's marketing has been successful by preannouncing new models. If a "new" 500 was in the works would not they let it be known? I'm wondering if perhaps a 500cc bike would simply be in competition with the 350 and 650 models rather than their intended goal of competing with other makes.
I heard recently that the 350cc segment comprises 60-70% of RE's production. The most popular size in their home market. I also think that they've gone all out with the 'new' 350 Classic with 5 distinct models and an array of colors. I like the Halcyon Green best. How about you all?

I haven't found this to be the case, with the exception of the "3 years away, maybe to be Himalayan 650", RE seems quite reluctant to pre-release much info at all about upcoming products.  They only announced that the Classic 350 would be introduced on Sept. 1, a couple weeks in advance.

You may be mistaking media speculation and publication of "spy shots" for official announcements.  These come out far in advance of official announcements.  Consider that, in this case, a development prototype of a 500cc "J", mounted on a production Meteor frame, would likely be indistinguishable from a 350 Meteor.

60-70% is a low estimate.  Sales figures of various models are published every month.  For Sept. '21, we can see that domestic sales of 350 products were 83% of domestic sales.     https://www.rushlane.com/royal-enfield-sales-exports-breakup-sep-2021-classic-bullet-12416367.html

I'm surprised to see that RE 350s comprised 45% of export sales in Sept, while 650 twins were only 17%.  I get the impression that many folks here on the forum think that the 650s are big sellers for RE.  They were only 6% of worldwide RE unit sales for Sept. and only 3% in India.

It's interesting to me to see that 500 UCEs are still showing up on the sales break up, almost 2 years after it was announced the model would be discontinued in India.

I was not expecting to see a 500cc "J" version.  But, as I said, I met a man, who said he worked for RENA and that man told me, without my asking, and just on the basis of my telling him that I owned a 500 UCE, that this engine variant was already in development.

[Dexter]

With regards to sales of the 350 Meteor, I think it is important to remember the Boomer demographic and the value that manufacturers must see in catering to that segment of current motorcycle riders. A lot of us old farts who have ridden all our lives have had the fun of high speed riding, long distance touring and all that came with owning a progressively larger displacement machine over many years.

Now we aren't all as strong as we once were and handling heavy bikes in the garage, or on the road, holds less appeal and more chance of hurting oneself, should the bike be dropped. I've had two such incidents recently, pushing the 700 pound Honda around in the garage and just barely managed to save it, but I did think about the possibility of doing myself a serious back injury after having done that.

My first choice for something lighter was the 650 Interceptor, as it is not much heavier, by about 25 pounds, than the Meteor, but upon finding out about the terrible seat and lack of tubeless tires on the 650, the next option became the Meteor.

So while a lot of folks may think that the Meteor, in any body style, is not something the North American or Euro market would want due to lack of speed, it seems Royal Enfield recognizes that there is a good market at both ends of the riding age spectrum that a 350 will appeal to.

[Fubars]

With regards to sales of the 350 Meteor, I think it is important to remember the Boomer demographic and the value that manufacturers must see in catering to that segment of current motorcycle riders. A lot of us old farts who have ridden all our lives have had the fun of high speed riding, long distance touring and all that came with owning a progressively larger displacement machine over many years.

Now we aren't all as strong as we once were and handling heavy bikes in the garage, or on the road, holds less appeal and more chance of hurting oneself, should the bike be dropped. I've had two such incidents recently, pushing the 700 pound Honda around in the garage and just barely managed to save it, but I did think about the possibility of doing myself a serious back injury after having done that.

My first choice for something lighter was the 650 Interceptor, as it is not much heavier, by about 25 pounds, than the Meteor, but upon finding out about the terrible seat and lack of tubeless tires on the 650, the next option became the Meteor.

So while a lot of folks may think that the Meteor, in any body style, is not something the North American or Euro market would want due to lack of speed, it seems Royal Enfield recognizes that there is a good market at both ends of the riding age spectrum that a 350 will appeal to.

Well said I think you hit the nail on the head with what you say 

[20MarkIII]

I haven't found this to be the case, with the exception of the "3 years away, maybe to be Himalayan 650", RE seems quite reluctant to pre-release much info at all about upcoming products.  They only announced that the Classic 350 would be introduced on Sept. 1, a couple weeks in advance.

You may be mistaking media speculation and publication of "spy shots" for official announcements.  These come out far in advance of official announcements.  Consider that, in this case, a development prototype of a 500cc "J", mounted on a production Meteor frame, would likely be indistinguishable from a 350 Meteor.

60-70% is a low estimate.  Sales figures of various models are published every month.  For Sept. '21, we can see that domestic sales of 350 products were 83% of domestic sales.     https://www.rushlane.com/royal-enfield-sales-exports-breakup-sep-2021-classic-bullet-12416367.html

I'm surprised to see that RE 350s comprised 45% of export sales in Sept, while 650 twins were only 17%.  I get the impression that many folks here on the forum think that the 650s are big sellers for RE.  They were only 6% of worldwide RE unit sales for Sept. and only 3% in India.

It's interesting to me to see that 500 UCEs are still showing up on the sales break up, almost 2 years after it was announced the model would be discontinued in India.

I was not expecting to see a 500cc "J" version.  But, as I said, I met a man, who said he worked for RENA and that man told me, without my asking, and just on the basis of my telling him that I owned a 500 UCE, that this engine variant was already in development.

Thank you for your response. Nice to have differing opinions and be civil about it. Frankly it's all speculative. I too think you're on to something there Dexter. 

[fressko]

Even though in theory a 500J is a few millimeters away, looking at the abysmal sales numbers of the pushrod 500 (after the twin launch) makes me think that it has become a very niche concept that went the way of the dinosaurs. Other than that the new classic is pretty and no doubt better built. If a 350 OHC suits you.

[AzCal Retred]

Looks like it's just a piston, counter balancer & crank away from being a 500...
At 20 HP it's within 10% of the Pre-Unit 500 Bullets already. A 40% displacement increase gets you maybe to 26-28 HP with a smooth powerplant. Production cost would be virtually the same, "parts is parts" right? How much more could it possibly cost for a bigger piston and a bit more metal in the crank & counter balancer? $300? $500? Even a 450 version would make it Freeway simpatico and likely not impact 650 sales. The old XR400 Honda was good for 36 HP, getting at least 26-28 HP shouldn't be an issue.

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2021/09/03/2022-royal-enfield-classic-350-first-look-9-fast-facts/
The 2022 Royal Enfield Classic 350 is based on the Meteor 350 introduced this year, while paying homage to the long-running Classic 500. Royal Enfield is no longer importing the models with the truly old-school Royal Enfield 500 motor. On the one hand, that’s a loss; on the other, it’s time to move on.
Managing Director of Eicher Motors Siddhartha Lal explains the link between the new Classic 350 and the outgoing Classic 500: “We’ve paid great attention to every aspect of the motorcycle, right from its stunning look, to the perfection in parts and the touchpoints, to its impeccable riding performance. The engine is super smooth, intuitively responsive and engaging, and has that gorgeous growl on acceleration. The all-new chassis lends enormous confidence while riding, with surefooted handling and agile braking. The motorcycle feels in control and well-mannered around tight corners. The motorcycle is, without a doubt, class-leading, and feels incredibly refined and enjoyable to ride.”
The Classic 350 shares its air-cooled vertical-single SOHC two-valve powerplant with the Meteor 350, though they are finished differently. Peak power production is identical—20 horses at 6100 rpm and 20 ft-lbs of torque at 4000 rpm. The motor has electric start and a five-speed transmission.
In India, the Classic 350 will come in 11 colors. We don’t anticipate getting them all, but Royal Enfield North America is usually generous regarding color choices.
Manufactured in Chennai, Indian, the 2022 Royal Enfield Classic 350 is at home, starting at the equivalent of $2945. The Meteor 350 has an MSRP that starts at $4395. We expect the Classic to sell in the United States for a similar price.

2022 Royal Enfield Classic 350 Specs
ENGINE:
Type: Vertical single
Displacement: 349cc
Bore x stroke: 72 x 85.8mm
Maximum power: 20 horsepower @ 6100 rpm
Maximum torque: 20 ft-lbs @ 4000 rpm
Valvetrain: SOHC; 2 valves
Fueling: EFI
Cooling: Air
Transmission: 5-speed
Final drive: Chain

DIMENSIONS and CAPACITIES:
Wheelbase: 54.7 inches
Seat height: 31.7 inches
Fuel capacity: 3.4 gallons
Curb weight: 430 pounds

[axman88]

Even though in theory a 500J is a few millimeters away, looking at the abysmal sales numbers of the pushrod 500 (after the twin launch) makes me think that it has become a very niche concept that went the way of the dinosaurs.

I only got into Royal Enfields about 4 years ago, and don't have information on the relative sales of the pre-UCE models, but, from a anecdotal standpoint, I've heard that the 500s historically had a strong place in the Indian domestic motorcycle scene.  These were considered the badass biker's ride, a man's machine.  I think that sales, relative to the 350s were stronger before Royal Enfield chose to configure the larger bikes with an open loop EFI system.

When the cost of the 500s were burdened with component and development costs for the EFI system, and placed in competition with the carb. equipped 350s, sales of 500s suffered.  For example, in 2015, while a carby 350 cost around 1.25 lahk, an EFI 500 cost about 1.65, a 32% premium.  And, there was a lot of prejudice in India against the EFI when it was introduced.

Now that all Royal Enfield's machines are equipped with EFI, and ABS, the playing field has leveled.  The 500 can be positioned advantageously vs. the 650s, and be quite profitable, since, from a manufacturing standpoint, any cost difference vs. the 350s is essentially pure profit.

I think that if Royal Enfield hadn't planned a larger bore version of the "J" OHC, they would not have made the 350 so decidedly undersquare.  Instead of 72 x 85.8mm, it would have been much closer to 76 x 76.   A square ratio of 86 x 86mm yields 500cc.   The 650s are 78 x 68mm, so it's not like RE isn't capable of building short stroke engines.

[AzCal Retred]

I agree. They have been doing "top end engineering" for a long time. There are a lot of advantages to a 4-valve short stroke 30 HP 350, but that's not what they built. Seems too easy and profitable, for all the reasons you mentioned. I think the production costs on the OHC 350 are lower than the UCE 350 also, so maybe that's the real driver. Maybe a 2022 500cc counterbalanced standard/Classic?
The Himalayan didn't seem to get that same treatment, so maybe the 650 Twin was always intended to be the upgrade? It was a "clean-sheet" design, after all.

[RE_PDX]

The Classic 350 will be available beginning January 2022 in three variants and seven colors:

Halcyon - Gray, Green, Black - 4,800 euros
Dark - Stealth Black, Gunmetal Gray - 4,900 euros
Chrome - Red, Bronze- 5,000 euros

Unfortunately, Signals and Redditch didn't make it to the western hemisphere.

https://www.acbiker.online/2021/11/all-new-royal-enfield-classic-350-2022.html

[RE_PDX]

Is anyone anyone familiar with the Genuine Motorcycles G400C? Apparently, it's a modern Honda CB400 made from the same molds.

The reason I mention it is because a couple of reviews have described it as being better quality than a Royal Enfield. On paper, the specifications appear to slightly favor it over the Meteor/Classic 350, with 6 hp more, 2 ft-lb more torque, 76 lbs lighter, 0.7" lower seat height and $450 lower cost.

http://www.genuinescooters.com/g400c.html

I feel they're certainly worth a head-to-head comparison.

[Dexter]

Is anyone anyone familiar with the Genuine Motorcycles G400C? Apparently, it's a modern Honda CB400 made from the same molds.

The reason I mention it is because a couple of reviews have described it as being better quality than a Royal Enfield. On paper, the specifications appear to slightly favor it over the Meteor/Classic 350, with 6 hp more, 2 ft-lb more torque, 76 lbs lighter, 0.7" lower seat height and $450 lower cost.

http://www.genuinescooters.com/g400c.html

I feel they're certainly worth a head-to-head comparison.

I like it! Rear drum brake though. Not seeing any Canadian dealers.

[andif62]

My wife a Mash Five Hundred, which is another incarnation of the G400 based on the Shineray XY400. All of these bikes are just more modern version of the CB400SS. Here in Germany you have to pay the same price as for Meteor Supernova. Yes, it’s lighter and has more power, but built quality of the Meteor is by far better. The Mash is smaller and will not fit bigger riders. I’m 6‘3 and the bike is uncomfortably small for me. Meteor has a lower seat height ( .8“)

[johnakay]

think the EU emission regulations may make it not worth while in producing the 500.?

[RE_PDX]

My wife a Mash Five Hundred, which is another incarnation of the G400 based on the Shineray XY400. All of these bikes are just more modern version of the CB400SS. Here in Germany you have to pay the same price as for Meteor Supernova. Yes, it’s lighter and has more power, but built quality of the Meteor is by far better. The Mash is smaller and will not fit bigger riders. I’m 6‘3 and the bike is uncomfortably small for me. Meteor has a lower seat height ( .8“)

I feel you're right about the build quality, not that the G400C is bad. It seems the reviews are comparing the quality with Royal Enfields of old. I believe the quality of the new 650's and now the new 350's are leaps and bounds ahead of their predecessors.

[20MarkIII]

Is anyone anyone familiar with the Genuine Motorcycles G400C? Apparently, it's a modern Honda CB400 made from the same molds.

The reason I mention it is because a couple of reviews have described it as being better quality than a Royal Enfield. On paper, the specifications appear to slightly favor it over the Meteor/Classic 350, with 6 hp more, 2 ft-lb more torque, 76 lbs lighter, 0.7" lower seat height and $450 lower cost.

http://www.genuinescooters.com/g400c.html

I feel they're certainly worth a head-to-head comparison.

My Indianapolis RE dealer sells the Genuine line of scooters and has for many years. He told me he could get a 400c but said the overall quality is lower than Royal Enfield. For 2022 model year the price for the 400c is $4650.00 at a Pennsylvania dealership nearly 450 miles away from east central Indiana. It is a nice looking bike. Too bad the Benelli Imperiale 400 isn't available in North America. It looks good IMO.

[AzCal Retred]

Another Chinese possibility:
https://cscmotorcycles.com/re3-sg400-san-gabriel-400-metallic-gray-pre-order-deposit/
RE3-SG400 San Gabriel 400 Metallic Gray ; $4,895.00
SG400 Specifications
Engine: Fuel-injected parallel-Twin, liquid-cooled, overhead camshafts, balance shaft
Bore/Stroke: 66 x 55.2mm
Displacement: 378cc
Compression ratio: 10:1
Horsepower: 36.2 hp (27kW) at 9000 rpm
Torque: 25.8 lb-ft (35Nm) at 6500 rpm
Redline: 10,000 rpm
Transmission:: 6-speed
Frame: Robotically welded steel tube
Rake & Trail: 25°, 99mm
Wheelbase: 54.3 inches (1380mm)
Front Suspension: 41mm inverted telescopic fork, 4.1 inches travel
Rear Suspension: Preload-adjustable dual shocks, 2.4 inches travel
Front brake: Radial-mount four-piston caliper, 305mm rotor; Bosch ABS
Rear brake: 240mm, single-piston caliper; Bosch ABS
Wheels (inches): Tubeless wire-spoke with aluminum rims; 3.5x17F, 4.5x17R
Tires: Tubeless 120/70-17 front; 150/70-17 rear
Length: 81.3 inches (2065mm)
Width: 31.9 inches (810mm)

Height: 44.1 inches (1120mm)
Seat height: 30.3 inches (770mm)
Ground clearance: 5.7 inches (145mm)
Fuel capacity: 5.0 gallons (19 liters)
Fuel consumption: 69.6 mpg (3.38 liters/100 km)
Curb weight: 405.6 pounds (184kg), with 30 pounds of fuel
Top speed: 96 mph, GPS-verified
Colors: Sinister Matte Black with Red/White accents, Metallic Gray Gloss with White/Red
accents

And for more money:
http://benelli.ssrmotorsports.com/bikes/leoncino_trail.php
Leoncino TRAIL ; MSRP $7,199.00*
Engine Type   Inline 2-cylinder, 4-stroke, Liquid-cooled, 4-valve, DOHC
    Displacement   499.6 cc
    Bore And Stroke   69 mm x 66.8 mm
    Compression Ratio   11.5 : 1
    Rated Power   46.9 hp @ 8,500 rpm
    Rated Torque   33.2 ft·lb @ 4,500 rpm
    Fuel Supply   EFI w/ 37 mm Throttle Body
    Starter   Electric
    Transmission   6-speed
    CHASSIS
    Front Suspension   50 mm, Inverted
    Front Travel   135 mm
    Rear Suspension   Spring Pre-load and Rebound Adjustable Shock
    Rear Stroke   60 mm
    Front Brake   Dual Disc Ø 320 mm, w/ 4 Piston Caliper & ABS
    Rear Brake   Disc Ø 260 mm, w/ 2 Piston Caliper & ABS
    Front Tire   110/80-R19
    Rear Tire   150/70-R17
    DIMENSIONS   
    Overall Length   82.7 inches
    Overall Width   31.5 inches
    Overall Height   45.6 inches
    Seat Height   32.1 inches
    Wheelbase   57.1 inches
    Ground Clearance   7.3 inches
    Fuel Tank   3.56 gallons
    Weight   456 pounds

[andif62]

There is a new Mash Six Hundred Classic. Its 650cc engine is based on the one the Honda Dominator had long time ago. Nice looking bike but as the Five Hundred to small for me. First reviews say that suspension is as weak as on 70s Japanese bikes
https://www.mashmotor.de/mash-650cc/650cc-six-hundred-classic/

[reKanza]

My son went 178 miles on 2 gallons on his Meteor, it was his first fill and he is still learning.

[dickim]

Another Chinese possibility:
https://cscmotorcycles.com/re3-sg400-san-gabriel-400-metallic-gray-pre-order-deposit/
RE3-SG400 San Gabriel 400 Metallic Gray ; $4,895.00
SG400 Specifications
Engine: Fuel-injected parallel-Twin, liquid-cooled, overhead camshafts, balance shaft
Bore/Stroke: 66 x 55.2mm
Displacement: 378cc
Compression ratio: 10:1
Horsepower: 36.2 hp (27kW) at 9000 rpm
Torque: 25.8 lb-ft (35Nm) at 6500 rpm
Redline: 10,000 rpm
Transmission:: 6-speed
Frame: Robotically welded steel tube
Rake & Trail: 25°, 99mm
Wheelbase: 54.3 inches (1380mm)
Front Suspension: 41mm inverted telescopic fork, 4.1 inches travel
Rear Suspension: Preload-adjustable dual shocks, 2.4 inches travel
Front brake: Radial-mount four-piston caliper, 305mm rotor; Bosch ABS
Rear brake: 240mm, single-piston caliper; Bosch ABS
Wheels (inches): Tubeless wire-spoke with aluminum rims; 3.5x17F, 4.5x17R
Tires: Tubeless 120/70-17 front; 150/70-17 rear
Length: 81.3 inches (2065mm)
Width: 31.9 inches (810mm)

Height: 44.1 inches (1120mm)
Seat height: 30.3 inches (770mm)
Ground clearance: 5.7 inches (145mm)
Fuel capacity: 5.0 gallons (19 liters)
Fuel consumption: 69.6 mpg (3.38 liters/100 km)
Curb weight: 405.6 pounds (184kg), with 30 pounds of fuel
Top speed: 96 mph, GPS-verified
Colors: Sinister Matte Black with Red/White accents, Metallic Gray Gloss with White/Red
accents

And for more money:
http://benelli.ssrmotorsports.com/bikes/leoncino_trail.php
Leoncino TRAIL ; MSRP $7,199.00*
Engine Type   Inline 2-cylinder, 4-stroke, Liquid-cooled, 4-valve, DOHC
    Displacement   499.6 cc
    Bore And Stroke   69 mm x 66.8 mm
    Compression Ratio   11.5 : 1
    Rated Power   46.9 hp @ 8,500 rpm
    Rated Torque   33.2 ft·lb @ 4,500 rpm
    Fuel Supply   EFI w/ 37 mm Throttle Body
    Starter   Electric
    Transmission   6-speed
    CHASSIS
    Front Suspension   50 mm, Inverted
    Front Travel   135 mm
    Rear Suspension   Spring Pre-load and Rebound Adjustable Shock
    Rear Stroke   60 mm
    Front Brake   Dual Disc Ø 320 mm, w/ 4 Piston Caliper & ABS
    Rear Brake   Disc Ø 260 mm, w/ 2 Piston Caliper & ABS
    Front Tire   110/80-R19
    Rear Tire   150/70-R17
    DIMENSIONS   
    Overall Length   82.7 inches
    Overall Width   31.5 inches
    Overall Height   45.6 inches
    Seat Height   32.1 inches
    Wheelbase   57.1 inches
    Ground Clearance   7.3 inches
    Fuel Tank   3.56 gallons
    Weight   456 pounds

Having sold my Can-Am Spyder I was all set to go and look at the Benelli - until I saw a "Gumtree" for a 2020 13mth /1,400km GT650 Mr Clean at 40% less than new.....guess which sits alongside my 2014 C5 - always a sucker for a Cafe' Racer

[RE_PDX]

I'm wild about the '22 350 Classic, but my hesitation is its 429 lbs curb weight. My '18 Moto Guzzi V7 III is 744cc and weighs 461 lbs.

[markm228]

I'm wild about the '22 350 Classic, but my hesitation is its 429 lbs curb weight. My '18 Moto Guzzi V7 III is 744cc and weighs 461 lbs.

I think it'll be all right. My Meteor has a 418# curb weight, but you don't notice it most of the time, since the weight is down low, promoting easy handling. You DO notice it when a truck or other large vehicle passes you by! It has enough heft to withstand the turbulence they dish out. For me, the Meteor doesn't way too much or too little; it's like Goldilocks-JUST RIGHT!

Also, many bike makers quote dry weight; i.e. they quote the weight of the bike without fluids and fuel. OTOH, RE gives the wet weight of the bike; i.e. their weight spec includes all operating fluids and 90% fuel. I think that's a more honest way to give the weight, as it more accurately reflects how we would experience that weight as we ride a bike.

I wouldn't worry though. If the Classic is anything like the Meteor (and why wouldn't it be, since it uses the same frame, brakes, and engine?), I think it'll be fine. I know that I'm planning on getting a Classic 350 when it comes here! I really fancy the Chrome Red machine...

[20MarkIII]

I think it'll be all right. My Meteor has a 418# curb weight, but you don't notice it most of the time, since the weight is down low, promoting easy handling. You DO notice it when a truck or other large vehicle passes you by! It has enough heft to withstand the turbulence they dish out. For me, the Meteor doesn't way too much or too little; it's like Goldilocks-JUST RIGHT!

Also, many bike makers quote dry weight; i.e. they quote the weight of the bike without fluids and fuel. OTOH, RE gives the wet weight of the bike; i.e. their weight spec includes all operating fluids and 90% fuel. I think that's a more honest way to give the weight, as it more accurately reflects how we would experience that weight as we ride a bike.

I wouldn't worry though. If the Classic is anything like the Meteor (and why wouldn't it be, since it uses the same frame, brakes, and engine?), I think it'll be fine. I know that I'm planning on getting a Classic 350 when it comes here! I really fancy the Chrome Red machine...

Exactly! I had a couple 350 cc bikes back in the '70s. Small and light they were great to learn to ride. Not so great in wind and were a bit squirrelly at speed. Also always felt a bit "cramped". These modern 350's coming out of India are larger and heavier framed bikes and I think much more user friendly. You just have to ride one to feel the magic!
      Most of the comparative YT reviews on the Meteor vs the new Classic 350 are giving the nod to the new Classic. But comparing either RE to the new Indian made Honda cb350 H'ness give the Honda the edge. Most of the comments from Indian viewers do as well. Wonder if Honda will eventually export them to North America?
      I never would have guessed that going back to a 350 would be so much fun!

[markm228]

Exactly! I had a couple 350 cc bikes back in the '70s. Small and light they were great to learn to ride. Not so great in wind and were a bit squirrelly at speed. Also always felt a bit "cramped". These modern 350's coming out of India are larger and heavier framed bikes and I think much more user friendly. You just have to ride one to feel the magic!
      Most of the comparative YT reviews on the Meteor vs the new Classic 350 are giving the nod to the new Classic. But comparing either RE to the new Indian made Honda cb350 H'ness give the Honda the edge. Most of the comments from Indian viewers do as well. Wonder if Honda will eventually export them to North America?
      I never would have guessed that going back to a 350 would be so much fun!

I never guessed going back to a smaller bike would be fun either, but it is. I LOVE MY METEOR! It's a sweet, gem of a bike. It's helping me fall in love with motorcycling and motorcycles all over again; it's helping me remember why I started riding in the first place...

As for the Honda 350, I'm familiar with it. I've watched some of the Indian comparos featuring the Meteor 350, Classic 350, and the CB 350 H'ness. Will Honda ever bring it here? I don't know; it would be interesting to see if they do. We'll see. Personally, I hope that they do; the more small, air cooled single bikes, the merrier! I'm a fan of thumpers anyway, and I LOVE the new J series engine with its counterbalancer...

I don't know if you're familiar with it, but RE is getting ready to release another bike sharing the same platform with the Meteor 350 and the Classic 350: the Hunter 350. The Hunter 350 goes more for a mid 70s-early 80s standard look vs. the post war aesthetic of the Classic 350 or the late 70s-early 80s cruiser style of the Meteor. I like it. The Hunter 350 is a nice looking bike. It's not out in India yet; it'll be released in India some time next year. Will it come here? I don't know. If it does, I'll be SERIOUSLY tempted to get it though! RE is just bringing out hit, after hit, after hit when it comes to bikes... 

[20MarkIII]

I never guessed going back to a smaller bike would be fun either, but it is. I LOVE MY METEOR! It's a sweet, gem of a bike. It's helping me fall in love with motorcycling and motorcycles all over again; it's helping me remember why I started riding in the first place...

As for the Honda 350, I'm familiar with it. I've watched some of the Indian comparos featuring the Meteor 350, Classic 350, and the CB 350 H'ness. Will Honda ever bring it here? I don't know; it would be interesting to see if they do. We'll see. Personally, I hope that they do; the more small, air cooled single bikes, the merrier! I'm a fan of thumpers anyway, and I LOVE the new J series engine with its counterbalancer...

I don't know if you're familiar with it, but RE is getting ready to release another bike sharing the same platform with the Meteor 350 and the Classic 350: the Hunter 350. The Hunter 350 goes more for a mid 70s-early 80s standard look vs. the post war aesthetic of the Classic 350 or the late 70s-early 80s cruiser style of the Meteor. I like it. The Hunter 350 is a nice looking bike. It's not out in India yet; it'll be released in India some time next year. Will it come here? I don't know. If it does, I'll be SERIOUSLY tempted to get it though! RE is just bringing out hit, after hit, after hit when it comes to bikes... 

Yes, RE is on a roll. Will be interesting to see the new models and their availability. There's one proposed called the Scram with upswept pipes like my old Honda CL 350. Smaller front/larger rear drive sprockets for low speed torque and semi block tire tread for better off road traction made the Honda a decent little off road ride. The Hunter, Meteor 650, 650 Himalayan, etc.. IMO RE needs to continue increasing their dealer network and keep prices down to continue the surge.

[markm228]

Yes, RE is on a roll. Will be interesting to see the new models and their availability. There's one proposed called the Scram with upswept pipes like my old Honda CL 350. Smaller front/larger rear drive sprockets for low speed torque and semi block tire tread for better off road traction made the Honda a decent little off road ride. The Hunter, Meteor 650, 650 Himalayan, etc.. IMO RE needs to continue increasing their dealer network and keep prices down to continue the surge.

TOTALLY! I think that expanding the dealer network has to be done first. Once they're more available and accessible to people in the US, then they can focus on the new models, pricing, etc.

BTW, I remember the Honda CL 350 from when I was a kid. I thought it was  COOL looking bike! I remember seeing a nice burgundy one at Lebanon State Forest in NJ. I never forgot how sweet looking that bike was. I never forgot that bike...

[RE_PDX]

https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/news/2021-royal-enfield-classic-350-recalled-due-to-brake-reaction-bracket-issue-41639978911714.html

 

[RE_PDX]

Competition is heating up for RE's 650 series.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/2022-bsa-gold-star-first-look-preview/

It's exciting to see the revival in America of classic brands with small to medium size bikes.

[markm228]

Competition is heating up for RE's 650 series.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/2022-bsa-gold-star-first-look-preview/

It's exciting to see the revival in America of classic brands with small to medium size bikes.

Unfortunately, the BSA has a LIQUID COOLED ENGINE! WTF?! Not only that, the radiator is ugly; it's big, billboard sized thing you'd expect to find on a crotch rocket. The least they could've done was hide it between the downtubes. Honda does that with their 750 Shadow Aero, which has a bigger engine. Why can't BSA do the same if they use a liquid cooled engine? But yeah, the big, ugly radiator totally BLOWS the retro look BSA was going for...

[LanesExplorerUK]

If it doesn't have a 'twitter' it's definitely NOT a Gold Star!

[LanesExplorerUK]

https://youtu.be/omRZV_Z7QsU

[Keef Sparrow]

Unfortunately, the BSA has a LIQUID COOLED ENGINE! WTF?! Not only that, the radiator is ugly; it's big, billboard sized thing you'd expect to find on a crotch rocket. The least they could've done was hide it between the downtubes. Honda does that with their 750 Shadow Aero, which has a bigger engine. Why can't BSA do the same if they use a liquid cooled engine? But yeah, the big, ugly radiator totally BLOWS the retro look BSA was going for...

Yes, that radiator could have been much better hidden like Triumph have done with their twins - and with all those fins on the engine does it even need that much extra cooling? That exhaust system would have to go.

[Barnone]

Why a Meteor 350 and a Classic 350 from RE?
I like this one but in 500 cc.

[dickim]

Unfortunately, the BSA has a LIQUID COOLED ENGINE! WTF?! Not only that, the radiator is ugly; it's big, billboard sized thing you'd expect to find on a crotch rocket. The least they could've done was hide it between the downtubes. Honda does that with their 750 Shadow Aero, which has a bigger engine. Why can't BSA do the same if they use a liquid cooled engine? But yeah, the big, ugly radiator totally BLOWS the retro look BSA was going for...

Agreed - Love everything except that radiator! looks like it fell off a V-Rod

[wildbill]

i may be wrong but  after trying 15 new bikes there has never been a 500cc single in the UCE's built as good as this!

https://youtu.be/tUhWGg9Qq5Y

[RE_PDX]

i may be wrong but  after trying 15 new bikes there has never been a 500cc single in the UCE's built as good as this!

https://youtu.be/tUhWGg9Qq5Y

I was unsure about that color judging from pictures, but seeing it in the video makes it attractive.

[Carl Fenn]

I doubt they will make a 500 again, first reason the 350 will do 65 70 at that speed the bullet 500 would shake the fillings out of your teeth in terms of top speed it would be a pointless so RE had the foresight to see this. As for BSA this new version has nothing in common with the old Goldstar at the moment we don’t know what the reliability will be the only thing they have in common is the badge.