[jjoe256]

Definite troll talk.  What a ridiculous over-simplification.

WTF has happened to the genteel tone on this board?  Screw the politics.  This campfire is getting too hot for me.

Referring to my statement, "If you vote Republican, you're voting against your own self interest."

I can't let this ride. If you make less than $250,000./year or belong to a union you are voting against your own self interest. If you vote Republican, you're voting for the Koch Bros. of this world and the corporations who I guaranty you do not have your best interest at heart. I mean "Americans For Prosperity" , a Koch front group that paid for the buses that ferried the Tea Partiers to Washington and Madison, what a great name. The only prosperity they're concerned about is their own. The Tea Party activists became pawns for Koch's agenda. You are a serf. Even Henry Ford knew he had to pay his workers a decent wage so people would have the resources to buy his cars. But that's demand side, not supply side economics. Now, after breaking down Alexander Hamilton's excellent framework that turned the US into a manufacturing powerhouse and the policies that India, China,Japan, South Korea, etc.follow, they outsource so they don't have to pay Americans and get it done cheaper elsewhere.

                I used  to work with the Longshoremen in Seattle. What a lot. With the exception of a very few, they were quite a lot, the I've got it made, my shit don't stink variety, talking mostly about their 401ks ( now there's a scam) and their stocks and what they were going to do with all their over $100,000/anum incomes for some, like crane operators and clerks. And a lot of them were staunch Republicans. WTF are they thinking? If their beloved Republicans were actually elected, their cush union gravy train would be history.

                And Prof_ Stack, I went out and about last night and connected with one of your cohorts, a history teacher. Out of curiosity, I asked her about what was happening to teachers elsewhere. Man, she let it all out, very dispirited,  despondent,
demoralized by the emerging political realities, knew all about the money driving the issues and the agenda at play. She's paying attention and she get's it. So don't tell me this is a gross oversimplification, troll talk; as I've told you personally; you're not paying attention. For your sake, I hope others will be awake enough so you don't have to deal with the consequences.
   And that's about as personal as I'll get. If called out that way, I'll respond.

"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state on innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster."
— James Baldwin

And to people making over $250,000:

People who treat other people as less than human must not be surprised when the bread they have cast on the waters comes floating back to them, poisoned.
James A. Baldwin

Think Marie Antoinette. That's not only relating to income.


Namaste, peace out

[prof_stack]

Referring to my statement, "If you vote Republican, you're voting against your own self interest."

I can't let this ride...

Screw your left-wingnut politics and get out and ride!     It was too good a weather to be inside on the computer most of the day.

I rode 33 miles on the C5 today and it was a good stress reliever.  Semichrome really dresses up the wheels nicely, as well as the front forks.

I just returned from 17 miles on the bicycle, a great bit of exercise and a good excuse to have a tall beer with dinner.  A stop at a Middle East grocery store in N Seattle for dates and I had some energy food for the ride home.

The public school teachers have concerns, I'm told.  I'm non-union and hope to keep it that way, forever.  Public unions are the problem.  Private unions aren't so bad.

... you gonna take the bait? ...

[jjoe256]

You still make under $250,000. Glad I struck a nerve and got some passion. Now I really know where you stand. I ride every day so always relaxed.

Peace out.

[REpozer]

Joe you appear to be an angry or tense man.

This forum , as good as it is .......is not intended to be therapy by forum.

Most of us are set in our ways, and not likely to move much on our political views.

Personally, I don't understand why you need to peddle Communism as a Golden Calf.

I wish you well, and hope some friends will sit down to a coffee with you on these matters.

[r80rt]

AMEN!

[The Garbone]

Joe you appear to be an angry or tense man.

This forum , as good as it is .......is not intended to be therapy by forum.

Most of us are set in our ways, and not likely to move much on our political views.

Personally, I don't understand why you need to peddle Communism as a Golden Calf.

I wish you well, and hope some friends will sit down to a coffee with you on these matters.

Word....

[PhilJ]

Calling someone a communist because they advocate a different perspective is nothing more than  McCarthyism. But such is the way of our politics it seems...such a pity.

[olhogrider]

Name calling of any kind is stupid and counter productive. I hate censorship of all kinds, but can we agree to leave politics to other boards? I know this is supposed to be for any subject but politics and religion are such explosive subjects and rarely change anyone's mind.

Now go ride!

[jjoe256]

Joe you appear to be an angry or tense man.

This forum , as good as it is .......is not intended to be therapy by forum.

Most of us are set in our ways, and not likely to move much on our political views.

Personally, I don't understand why you need to peddle Communism as a Golden Calf.

I wish you well, and hope some friends will sit down to a coffee with you on these matters.

3 hours sleep and too much coffee may make me seem that way. People who actually know me probably wouldn't use that term.

Caricature requires a recognizable link to reality. So, let's be clear on our terms:

   Communism: the state owns the means of production and distribution and all property is held in common. "I solemnly swear I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party." But I would point out that the more socialistic country, Denmark, was recently shown to be the most entrepreneurial on the planet.

   If you want to call me something, call me a Progressive:

    http://www.progressiveliving.org/progressivism.htm

   If you read that link, we may or may not have more in common than you think, rhetoric aside. My participation is counterproductive to therapy. As far as any unions go, in the context of Big Business, they're a necessity. It's also provable that the more union participation there is, the higher the wages and working conditions in the general labor force. Unions gave the US the 40 hour week. It's much more effective than Supply Side, Trickle Down economics at lifting all boats. Personally, I don't care to be a member. Never good at working by the clock.

   I've personally trained many old dogs, and they are very capable of learning new ways.

   From the response I've gotten both on and off the board, I now think I'm not going to be stifled:

                  Campfire Talk
                       Feel free to talk about anything and everything in this board.

    You know, that constitutional thing called Free Speech. Religion I will avoid unless it plays a role in the political process, whether it's Church participation in elections vis a vis the tax code or AIPAC driving our Israel policy. I'm not forcing anyone to read or respond to my posts. You've got the remote, change the channel. If I ruffle some feathers as I clearly have, it's their problem, deal with it; that's what you'd probably tell me.

   So, as events unfold, I will talk about about stuff. If you see my handle, enter at your own peril. Just keep it civil. Data is always good.

   On that note, here's some possible historic parallels to Wisc. and elsewhere:

          http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/03/06-3

and the future of the economy:

                http://www.newsociety.com/bookid/3991

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3rloGDFinM&feature=relmfu

  I know we have readers from other countries. I would invite them to weigh in on a global perspective: that's sorely lacking in this country.


        

                                

[REpozer]

 You know, that constitutional thing called Free Speech.                                

Yes, I hold it dear . You should too.
 I always spell it with a Capital "C", as in Constitution.

[Iron Man]

oh dear me this has to be that self righteous cretin Clamp reincarnated. next we'll be hearing about dead babies and religions.

Go start a blog and leave the bikers be 

[1 Thump]

oh dear me this has to be that self righteous cretin Clamp reincarnated. next we'll be hearing about dead babies and religions.

Go start a blog and leave the bikers be 

This IS a blog, and it is Campfire Talk. So pretty much anything goes here.

[GreenMachine]

nah its not clamp...he had a different flair and appeal...i think Joe just upset and unwinding..on a brighter note, batteries are charged and plan on putting them back in this weekend..i like to c if i can get 5 yrs out of the oem battery...

[jjoe256]

oh dear me this has to be that self righteous cretin Clamp reincarnated. next we'll be hearing about dead babies and religions.

Go start a blog and leave the bikers be 

   Actually, here in Seattle, I might be a Cretin, just not your kind of cretin:

http://www.cretins.org/

[jjoe256]

The devils in the details; more Republican (not that their the only ones) hypocrisy. Just like the REpublicans who worked like hell to block any stimulus and then were at the trough to feed and take credit when the money became available:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/08/wisconsin-state-senate-republicans_n_833058.html