Author Topic: Help me settle a pub debate ????? (Read 5610 times)

Blairy · **on:** December 10, 2010, 06:47:38 am

I know this is way off topic but can anyone shed some light on what make & model this car is. We have been arguing about it for a few years now & no one has given us an answer.

It's either a very large car or a very small man !!!!

Blairy from the sidecar section

Queensland Australia

Ice · **Reply #1 on:** December 10, 2010, 07:01:06 am

Pub debates are very much on topic and belong here in Campfire Talk.

Regrets, no idea about the car.

enfield freddy · **Reply #2 on:** December 10, 2010, 11:32:39 am

ducatti

ScooterBob · **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2010, 11:33:31 am

My GUESS - and it is just a guess because of the angle of the pic, etc - is that it may be a custom bodied Deusenburg or Packard because of its sheer size. Pretty awesome "sports" car, though ....

enfield freddy · **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2010, 12:21:44 pm

sorry , Bucatti

cyrusb · **Reply #5 on:** December 10, 2010, 01:02:17 pm

May be European, by the way the wheels are spoked. Rolls or Bently?

enfield freddy · **Reply #6 on:** December 10, 2010, 01:08:39 pm

May be European, by the way the wheels are spoked. Rolls or Bently?

not a rolls or bently grill

or even a bugatti?

cyrusb · **Reply #7 on:** December 10, 2010, 03:39:59 pm

It does have that Horse Shoe shaped grill, could be a Bug.

Ice · **Reply #8 on:** December 10, 2010, 03:52:45 pm

Whatever it is I'll bet ya a pint Jay Lenno has one, if not that one

enfield freddy · **Reply #9 on:** December 10, 2010, 04:36:59 pm

yes but , your US pints and gallons are smaller than the "proper" UK ones!!!

568ml = a pint over here ,

boggy · **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2010, 04:39:28 pm

The grill looks Bugatti, but it's a really big car and I can't recall any Bugs that have spare tires mounted forward or "bumpers" like that.

Call me crazy, but I think that is an Oldsmobile.

cyrusb · **Reply #11 on:** December 10, 2010, 04:46:33 pm

Quote from: enfield freddy on December 10, 2010, 04:36:59 pm

yes but , your US pints and gallons are smaller than the "proper" UK ones!!!

568ml = a pint over here ,

So maybe The man is a U.S half pint? And the car is small?

jdrouin · **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2010, 05:32:37 pm

Based on the size of the car and the octagonal design of the wheel hubs, I would say Duesenberg, but the hood ornament doesn't match the winged design of that brand.

It doesn't seem to have the badge in the arch of the grill like most Bugattis do.

Any idea where the Pine Beach Hotel is located? That could be a clue. Through Google I'm finding them everywhere from Turkey, to Australia, to northern California.

Update: The badge and octagonal hub are consistent with a late-1920s Cadillac, but not so much the grille shape.

http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1920/cad27s.htm

I also looked at Buicks from the period but they seem to have a very different grille design.

r80rt · **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2010, 07:38:51 pm

Quote from: boggy on December 10, 2010, 04:39:28 pm

The grill looks Bugatti, but it's a really big car and I can't recall any Bugs that have spare tires mounted forward or "bumpers" like that.

Call me crazy, but I think that is an Oldsmobile.

I think you are right, it looks like a 1920's Oldsmobile

PhilJ · **Reply #14 on:** December 10, 2010, 09:06:16 pm

It's a Johnny Cash car!

REpozer · **Reply #15 on:** December 10, 2010, 09:10:17 pm

What can you tell us about the photo?
Was the photo taken in Australia? If so that would help in guessing.
I would assume most imports of the time would come from England and Europe.

Blairy · **Reply #16 on:** December 13, 2010, 12:14:27 am

Thank guys for your interest in helping me identify this beast, I was thinking Hudson or 1924 Crysler 6, because of the bumperbar, grill & the non-domed backs of the headloghts .... but....

The Pine Beach Hotel is my local drinking hole here in sunny Queensland Australia, We are 45k from Rockhampton & on the coat level with the Tropic of Capricorm. Directly out from us is Great Keppel Island. And the fishing is excellent

singhg5 · **Reply #17 on:** December 13, 2010, 12:48:00 am

Quote from: Ice on December 10, 2010, 03:52:45 pm

Whatever it is I'll bet ya a pint Jay Lenno has one, if not that one

Jay thinks it is a Duesoldsgati -

. But what do I know about cars, except that you need to push them with your feet from time to time. Enjoy the fish and chips !

just kidding about the name Blairy

gashousegorilla · **Reply #18 on:** December 13, 2010, 01:17:26 am

WOW Blairy ! If that's what your catching in your Hot tub, I'd be nervous about swimming in your pool !

I think it might be a Duesenberg as well. That may also be a Motometer and not a hood ornament on the Grill. It was a thermometer to give radiator temp to the driver?
Here is a link to some Duesenbergs, scroll down to the bottom of the page. Sure looks damn close to me?

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/tag/ron-kellogg/

gashousegorilla · **Reply #19 on:** December 13, 2010, 01:37:12 am

Sure looks like a Duesenberg wheel. Look at the Hub symbol.

singhg5 · **Reply #20 on:** December 13, 2010, 01:51:52 am

Quote from: gashousegorilla on December 13, 2010, 01:17:26 am

Here is a link to some Duesenbergs, scroll down to the bottom of the page. Sure looks damn close to me?
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/tag/ron-kellogg/

@GHG:

This is the best comparison (similarities) I have seen of the Blairy's car and another Duesenberg. Up untill now, in all the cars seen so far something was not matching with Blairy's car. You have found the one that satisfies grill, tyres, hubcaps (which were seen many times on Duesenberg) and the ornament on hood (that was questionable so far - was not seen like that on other Duesenberg or picture was not clear), the shape of engine - round hood etc. This is it, man. Now go and have an American beer with a German name

.

PS - Blairy should send you some fresh fish and chips - Aussie style !

Q.E.D.

gashousegorilla · **Reply #21 on:** December 13, 2010, 02:27:56 am

Funny you mention that Brother Sigh

, I had one with dinner, Lienenkugels Honey Wiess. The wife made Rouladen, red cabage ,etc. She'll be sorry latter

There selling the beer in our state, try it out, good stuff. I'm drinking my way through their various selections. Octoberfest the best so far.

gashousegorilla · **Reply #22 on:** December 13, 2010, 04:38:23 am

Pic of Motometer. Car and beer suggested by Scooterbob, I had no frick'in Idea

Just narrowed down what you guys suggested.

Blairy · **Reply #23 on:** December 14, 2010, 10:49:40 pm

Thanks guys for all your help BUT.... look what I found... it's a 1923 Kissel 6-45 Speedster Apparently parts like the headlights, bumperbar etc were optionals & some of the parts come from Cadallacs

r80rt · **Reply #24 on:** December 14, 2010, 11:02:57 pm

I'm glad you found it, I've looked till my eyes are burnt and never got close!

gashousegorilla · **Reply #25 on:** December 14, 2010, 11:17:33 pm

What Da ? Oh well I tried . That was gonna be my second choice,Really

Whats a Kissel ? Well I hope you didn't loose anything on the bet Blairy.

ScooterBob · **Reply #26 on:** December 14, 2010, 11:54:43 pm

What a lovely shade of green that car is! - and a REAL (wooden!) set of clubs on the running board. Kissel, eh? Well the research is ON - This is how I found out about the Wills-St.Claire ..... A wonderful, low production car built by the fellow who penned the original design for the Ford Model A ..... Each was tested to 100mph and featured an innovative rotary valve six cylinder engine. It's all about the love of iron .....

singhg5 · **Reply #27 on:** December 15, 2010, 12:54:59 am

Had not heard of "Kissel" cars. Found a nice link, actually it is on Flickr. The guy has over 8000 pictures of cars - rare cars, antique cars, orphan cars and more cars of so many brands, shapes, year models ! There was this Kissel with a seat outside the seating cabin - a seat right in front of the rear mud guard, so you can get off slow moving car without having to open the door

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjb4photos/4677090364/

Blairy · **Reply #28 on:** December 15, 2010, 01:11:25 am

that seat is refered to as an observers seat, probaby to make sure you don't hit the gate posts or run over little doggys etc.

Blairy · **Reply #29 on:** December 15, 2010, 01:19:54 am

All this debate at my local pub has everyone fired up, now they are all trying to identify the owner, thanks again for all your input & I'll keep you posted on any developments on the owner. It could be interesting as this area is basically cattle country & coal mining & was large acerage holdings, rich landholders but not many of them.

jdrouin · **Reply #30 on:** December 15, 2010, 01:39:15 am

Excellent work! I'm very excited to see you ID'd the car.

single · **Reply #31 on:** December 16, 2010, 04:32:38 am

My father used to talk about the Wills-St.Clare.

Blairy · **Reply #32 on:** December 18, 2010, 01:08:59 am

the slideout seat was commonly refered to as "the motherinlaw seat"

Ice · **Reply #33 on:** December 18, 2010, 11:50:29 pm

Was a jettison handle an available option ?

Blltrdr · **Reply #34 on:** December 19, 2010, 01:44:25 am

Quote from: Ice on December 18, 2010, 11:50:29 pm

Was a jettison handle an available option ?

Joe Pesci as jettison handle option.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L46bzDt8kGU&feature=related

robbw · **Reply #35 on:** December 20, 2010, 02:35:47 am

I have no idea what kind of car this is, but I'm thinking the man is small and the car is large depending on how much one has had to drink while sitting in the pub.